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sbi
1:03 PM
@sehe The mutex, or a lock to it. Or whatever. Anyway, the ..._any thing solved this.
 
Yeah, I'm the bestest.
;)
@BartekBanachewicz I wouldn't know now anyway; I got rid of Google Analytics a while back, because, fuck it, I'm not marketing anything here.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes except yourself :)
 
@sbi That's not the Milky Way.
 
who cares.
 
sbi
1:04 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes So? Who said it is?
This might come as a surprise to some, but this chat room isn't part of earth's home galaxy.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes it does sounds like a good idea, nice to see what the hell the other 80% of people in this building are up to, but the the fucking hype it is getting!
 
@BartekBanachewicz Come on, it doesn't even look like the Milky Way.
 
sbi
It's a spiral.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes don't be silly, we are behind that galaxy
@sbi vaguly
 
sbi
I can't help it, but to me "vaguly" sounds somewhat dirty.
 
1:07 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Erm, no. I had people contacting me about jobs that mentioned it (like for my current job), but I'm not doing it for that. I write stuff there because I like writing, and well... because people here convinced me to :3
 
Damn, I just got so owned in a conversation
@R.MartinhoFernandes Notice the smile. Even if it's not you as a person, it's the ideas you want to spread, huh?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Who said it was surprising?!
 
- Well I mean the new GL 4.4 layouts will prolly be used just by some 0.01% of very experienced devs and it's overcomplicated in general
- Just like C++11
I just had to smile and (more or less) agree.
 
sbi
Part of C++11 is in VC. Which means that a huge portion of the C++ dev world will have access to it. Do not underestimate that.
 
I dunno if you read the transcript from a few hours, but we've shortly discussed JetBrains and Clang teams growing stronger, too.
If we look at what their creations bring to the table, I wouldn't daresay C++11 won't get widely accepted.
it was more like an usual hallway joke.
 
1:13 PM
That ship has sailed. C++11 is not C99.
 
C++ is not C would cut it.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I meant from an adoption perspective.
 
though I have to admit I find much less interest in C++ lately in myself.
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh but of course.
 
5 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
Damn, I just got so owned in a conversation
 
inb4 "nothing new"
 
sbi
1:15 PM
> Behind the scenes at the NSA, when the new iPhone 5S was presented. 9gag.com/gag/amXYQ5dMartin Oetting
 
why is that @BartekBanachewicz? using C++11 increased my productivity so I'd say it's not that bad ...
 
Anyway, after learning Haskell, I think my views on C++ got a bit more balanced...
 
sbi
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@MarcClaesen And where did I say it is bad? :)
 
stop monading
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1:16 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit >>=
 
@BartekBanachewicz usually when people seem to lose interest it's not because it's great :P
 
@MarcClaesen Haskell is greatestest.
 
inb4 lisp
 
Lisp failed miserably with syntax
 
I wouldn't know, I don't know Lisp ... I just notice a lot of language discussions end up there
 
1:17 PM
Only if Lispers crazies are involved.
 
Way to talk about languages; I just notice a lot of people discussing them have no idea about them :)
@MarcClaesen also you don't have to really know Lisp to know its syntax
 
it's a ton of )))))))) if I'm not mistaken?
 
> Lost In Stupid Parens
typedef decltype(nullptr) nullptr_t; FFS
seriously?
 
What's wrong with that?
 
I use that
there, I'm out and proud
 
1:23 PM
They should have used that sort of stuff on more things.
Say, typedef decltype(typeid(foo)) typeinfo;
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's circularly defined, if I recall.
 
It's ridiculous that you have to #include a header to make use of a language feature.
 
std::nullptr_t is the type of a nullptr literal, but it's defined as decltype(nullptr).
 
@DeadMG No, it's not.
 
so. What's the deal with the new iPhones?
 
1:25 PM
Uh, the deal?
 
std::nullptr_t is a synonym for a type whose characteristics are described without reference to nullptr.
 
@BartekBanachewicz is there anything new about them at all or are they just... iPhones?
 
@Crowz every iPhone has something new to it, so I have no idea what you are talking about.
 
"The type of nullptr is std::nullptr_t. std::nullptr_t is the type of nullptr" is only a circular definition if you ignore the fact that the definition is actually elsewhere.
 
Never anything novel it would seem, just like "fast processor big screen lol"
 
1:28 PM
If you take that into account, it's merely two different ways of stating the same fact.
 
Dang it took me forever to find that text in the standard.
 
@Crowz Everything is written in the specs and promotion materials, so if you can't read that, I can't help you
 
I was four minutes late.
 
@chris yeah, I have no idea how those guys got it. I mean, they must have just known it earlier :F
 
holy shit. They don't sell the new iPhone in black? That's enough for me not to buy it
 
1:30 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I tried a couple other things, but searching "ellipsis" eventually got me to the function call section, and it was in the middle of a giant paragraph.
 
@Crowz now I've lost all my doubts. You're not illiterate, you're retarded.
 
@BartekBanachewicz you're just finding this out now?
 
@Crowz I mean, how dumb you have to be to not notice black on top?
 
> Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ... applied.
 
1:32 PM
A friend of mine once said literally the opposite.
 
Roughly "It's better to say shit than to stay quiet".
 
Hello
 
hi Danny
 
Hey
 
1:33 PM
http://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/
the "color and finish" section
 
It became a commonly quoted adage among my other friends.
 
Hehehe Danny in Lounge California
 
@Crowz except "space gray" is just another name for "black"
 
So I got my hair cut the other day and noticed that my arm was all red around the hair sitting on it. Yesterday, I figured out that the red was from me propping up my laptop with my arm and it getting burnt or so.
 
@Borgleader wot
 
1:34 PM
@chris va_arg was the word to grep.
 
@BartekBanachewicz NOT BLACK ENOUGH. Must be black like my coffee and my soul.
 
Dani California :D
 
Oh that song
I used to really like that song
 
> I like the coffee black just like my metal.
 
1:34 PM
@Crowz So, dark brown?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I generally suck at searching the standard :p
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes are you implying his soul is shit?
 
@BartekBanachewicz No, I'm talking about coffee.
We robots don't care for souls.
 
neither do gingers
 
gingers don't have souls
 
1:35 PM
my iPhone 4 broke so I need a new phone. Seems like the newer iPhones aren't worth it
 
Xeo
> Packaging: stuff.ipa
using certificate: some_cert.p12
Started: 14:57:42
...
Finished: 15:34:45
:<
 
@Crowz you're not worth my attention either. byebye,
 
I'll miss you babe
 
I won't.
ookey
@Xeo oopsie.
someone needs a faster workstation
 
1:37 PM
@BartekBanachewicz hey there
 
hi @Pawnguy7
damn you were faster
 
Haha. Been busy, huh?
 
you wouldn't imagine
 
Busy is for wusses.
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Nah, that was with full optimizations n shit
 
1:38 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes also don't forget lack of internet connection
 
@Xeo Ooooh, IPA.
@BartekBanachewicz That's for lusers.
 
or maybe I should say "broadband", because 512kbps doesn't quite cut it.
 
Anyway, I had wanted to tell you, I got the screensaver working, more or less. 16 landscapes. Scrolling works fine.
 
hey, I feel happy for ya! Good job.
I wrote a small game :3
 
I also found a bug with my math last night that made it break with different screen sizes occasionally.
(for the culling)
 
1:39 PM
But I can't show it to you because I forgot to push :/
 
That's for suckers.
 
Ah. I also made a little particle thing.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that I can't even argue with.
But then again, it was because I had my phone unplugged at the time and I just left everything on local repo
 
@Pawnguy7 Now all you need is a game to end like that.
 
1:40 PM
@Pawnguy7 that's pretty basic. No offense. Looks good nevertheless.
 
When the user loses.
 
I know. It was meant to be.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oi, come on
 
One time, I made an ending that was pretty much your explosions at random points on the screen.
 
@BartekBanachewicz It's the game celebrating!
@BartekBanachewicz What kind of game, btw?
 
1:41 PM
Haha. I also got a bit further with linking.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes a clone of Harvest: Massive Encounter
 
@BartekBanachewicz (In my favourite games losing is the most common outcome by far)
 
I built sfml linking the standard library statically. Seems to work so far.
Now I just need to figure out how to distribute normally :\
 
@Pawnguy7 lol, that stopped being funny a while ago, so I'll just say "ok"
@Pawnguy7 building statically with all release should cut it.
and supply MSVS redists.
I'd like to say a big FUCK YOU to microsoft for not making them distributed via normal Windows Update
 
@BartekBanachewicz Works on other computer as well (where I had run into trouble do to them not having the redistrutable), no crashes, etc. Took a day, though :D
 
1:44 PM
> a day
 
@BartekBanachewicz I thought the point of statically linking that shit was to avoid the need for the redists.
 
I am confused why SFML cannot be built as DLL's that statically link, though.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes he he. he.
Well, in theory you can link to the runtime statically
but that's a major PITA, and if he had problems with static SFML, uuuhhh..
@Pawnguy7 wait what?
 
@Pawnguy7 Why SFML cannot be built as Dynamically Linked Libraries that statically link?
 
> DLL's that statically link
 
1:45 PM
I think I might see why now.
 
You would get copies of it, right?
 
I have no idea what you are talking about and I don't think you do either. (fuck english and negatives)
 
No. DLLs are made for linking dynamically. They are fundamentally different from .libs.
 
What you guys think about this boxes ? bluewingtravels.com/…
?
i need to know weather it good or bad
?
 
1:47 PM
When building SFML (using the gui, for me), there are two mutually exclusive options: make the DLL's, and make them link statically to the standard library.
 
@samitha when the title is long, it overlaps with the vertical line and it looks bad. Otherwise it's ok, but I'd change the font. Also RTFM.
 
@samitha Wrong room?
 
@Pawnguy7 no, you're not linking anything "to the standard library"
come on.
 
yeah just @R.MartinhoFernandes
 
The implementation?
 
1:48 PM
you're linking both stdlib and SFML to your program
 
@BartekBanachewicz how about this design ?
 
Currently yes.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes This isn't Lounge<CSS>?
 
@samitha fuck if I know, do I look like a web designer? seems ok.
@Pawnguy7 no, always.
 
ha ha
just see it from you eyes
that's ok btw
 
1:49 PM
you use SFML headears and <stdlib> headers, and implementations of those are linked to the executable
 
I'm on Route 66. Can someone tell me how to go to San Diego?
 
i need to know about the design good or bad ?
 
> seems ok.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Just keep turning left until you get there.
You'll get there eventually.
 
MSVCRT.DLL is in a standard windows install, right?
Maybe not. Hrm.
 
1:52 PM
@Pawnguy7 it's a part of redists
 
@Pawnguy7 That's what the redists are all about :(
 
I still don't know why they didn't work.
 
wrong redists, most certainly
x86/x64, VS version, stuff like that
 
Just install them all!
 
lel.
oho, bus in 11 minutes
hopefully I'll have internet con. by tomorrow's morning
until then...
 
2:00 PM
Where are they in the install again?
 
Usually people download the redists or you put it in your folder.
 
I tried the former, but it didn't seem to work. this one.
The folder way is probably more user friendly.
 
Are you sure you're doing this correctly?
 
Not at all.
 
2:04 PM
@Pawnguy7 where do you need it for, distribute your program, or getting another one to work?
 
@Darklighter the former.
 
@Pawnguy7 and it doesn’t work with the redist you linked?
 
@Darklighter That is what I was told.
 
This might seem obvious, but do you even have VS2012 Update 3?
 
2:08 PM
I hadn't considered that.
 
@Pawnguy7 The versions must match, that’s why there’re so much different redists
 
11.0.50727.42.
 
I don't blame you, I can't find any other VS2012 redist.
Maybe because it's powered by Bing
 
also, 32 or 64 bit?
 
It is built for 32 bit.
 
2:13 PM
Someone should make a (illegal? who cares) package with all the redists ever in one.
Well, not the VC6 ones.
 
i used to have an application, which was built with a prerelease redist
it was one hell of work to get it running again
 
Apparently you were right.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes they should at least name the installers more meaningful
 
I thought this auto updated like... months ago.
 
Xeo
Whee, thunderstorm
 
2:22 PM
@BartekBanachewicz "Hurt"? The NIN song?
 
Am I the only one find this horrific? (cake & may not be safe for work ... )
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 I regret watching that.
 
My Super keys died :S
Crap keyboard.
 
Super keys?
 
@EtiennedeMartel Aka Win keys.
 
2:34 PM
Uhoh:
> Odious as the physical abuse of children by priests undoubtedly is, I suspect that it may do them less lasting damage than the mental abuse of bringing them up Catholic in the first place.
 
> Please don’t use “win” as an abbreviation for Microsoft Windows in GNU software or documentation. In hacker terminology, calling something a “win” is a form of praise. If you wish to praise Microsoft Windows when speaking on your own, by all means do so, but not in GNU software.
Made me think of that.
 
@sehe Lemme guess, Dawkins.
 
Bingo
Sadly (?) it's 189 characters as presented
 
Xeo
@EtiennedeMartel wtf
 
@Xeo Enjoy.
Told ya these guys were fanatics.
 
2:37 PM
lol
 
fantastic reply! I will have to learn about macros and other details. I will learn a lot from this one too! — vint-i-vuit 1 hour ago
^ aw, I melted a little
 
@sehe I guess polar bears aren't fit for warm temperatures.
 
fuzziness, no / furriness, yes
furriners: neutral (unless Canadian)
 
@EtiennedeMartel They're called "ice bears" in German.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes They're made of ice?
 
2:39 PM
@sehe As shitty as indoctrination is, ugh.
 
@sehe Je ne sais pas de quoi tu veux parler.
 
I mean, come on.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Me neither
 
@EtiennedeMartel No, of Eis.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Same in Dutch. The pun was indented :/
 
2:40 PM
Je vois.
 
I see no indentation anywhere.
 
@Pawnguy7 no kidding
 
@JABFreeware ello
 
@Pawnguy7 ello man
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Tu vois pas? T'es aveugle?
 
2:42 PM
@sehe english only thats in the rules. DOnt make me ban you
anywas, whats up, @Pawnguy7?
 
@JABFreeware Mange mon pain.
 
@JABFreeware Please. Come back when you can write that in proper Engrish
@EtiennedeMartel trololol!
 
@sehe I am a pain. Im good at it
 
@JABFreeware Fun fact: "pain" is French for "bread".
 
What I find curious is that you don't ignore this guy.
 
2:44 PM
Either show the relevant code, or remove the language/library tags. — sehe 3 secs ago
 
@CatPlusPlus I don't ignore people.
In real life, when someone annoys you, you punch him. You don't run away.
 
@CatPlusPlus I explicitely showed the posts, because people were responding to phantom messages. Curiosity killed the...
 
On the chat, I can't punch. But I can be an abrasive jerkwad.
 
I punch the chat.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Actually IRL, if someone annoys me I just ignore them, they tend to get bored really quickly
 
2:45 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes There's a French pun in there.
 
Alors, c'est la bagarre
 
@Borgleader Shit on their porch.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Indented!
 
@EtiennedeMartel I punch the French.
 
@Borgleader Or, they turn out to have been really bored even before and see it as a "project", a "challenge", so to speak :/
 
2:46 PM
I'd probably break my arm if I tried to punch anyone.
 
@CatPlusPlus I guess you don't even lift. Bro.
 
Xeo
He lifts in Haskell
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes That's always a winning formula.
Just beware of their cheese.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I punch the cheese!
 
That wasn't an instruction
> How run clang from command line on Windows? here
^ buy a command line
 
2:49 PM
Fuck it. Can someone deal with this JAB dude?
 
6 messages moved to bin
 
@sehe You forgot the nickel.
 
@sehe One day, I will find where you live, and I will hug you. Mark my words.
 
Oh my. Time for an identity swap. And witness protection
 
Oo bear is doing the garbage duty today ... garbage bear!
 
2:51 PM
Bear hug!
We just don't want you here. Quite simple.
 
Bear with me
 
@CatPlusPlus Not my problem
 
It will be.
 
@JABFreeware Ooooohh oooooh.
 
Is it gallery mode time again? :P
 
2:53 PM
This is solid gold.
 
can you garbage collect the garbage collecting messages?
 
Xeo
@Borgleader We don't just pull out gallery mode for every other troll.
 
So, about that permanent gallery mode.
 
Xeo
2:54 PM
Oh no, I feel so offended~
 
Morning
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, didn't sit too well with some people.
 
@Jefffrey Afternoon? :D
 
@Pawnguy7 Yeah :P
 
@Xeo I stopped caring.
 
2:55 PM
@JABFreeware And next week, hmm?
 
@Jefffrey Figured out, my math was the issue for that.
 
Is Opengl usually preinstalled? I mean, can I expect OpenGL to be installed on a Mac/Windows/Linux user's computer?
 
@CatPlusPlus Stop it.
 
@Jefffrey OpenGL is not a program.
 
@Jefffrey Comes with drivers.
 
2:56 PM
ITT Cat++ is forcing everyone to use his 'new' chat
 
So there's no way I can be sure about it, right?
 
@CatPlusPlus How's LoungeChat going?
 
No bitching
 
Xeo
You'll never get to bin 449 messages that way.
 
The whole point is: I'm going to use OpenGL and OpenAL for a game of mine. Should I include those libraries in my "game" or should I just say "Requires OpenGL and OpenAL" installed. What's the standard procedure?
 

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