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9:00 PM
Beginners will try anything to get their code to work.
 
@Rapptz When you did include iostream.h, it gave an effect vaguely similar to including iostream followed by using namespace std;. For a while, some compilers included an iostream.h that did exactly that.
 
@ThePhD Except. Thinking.
 
@chris That is so cool
 
Dude, Kickstarter's back up.
From Aug 1 to Sept 16 (2013)
 
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Warning: I'm designing a new programming language.
 
9:02 PM
They've raised $1m out of their $100k goal already.
 
@not-rightfold Is it called "narrow"?
 
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@Mysticial Nooo!
 
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I call it Kreeft.
 
> Year is by the way a global variable, so don't worry about that.
lol
 
@not-rightfold because it works sideways. Canc(e)rizans
 
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9:07 PM
Because Zoidberg.
 
In music, Kreeft is aptly synonymous with Retrograde. <whistle/>
 
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I am thinking of doing OOP through real message passing.
 
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A la Erlang, but with less explicit syntax.
 
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So myObject.myMethod(foo, bar) would send the tuple (:myMethod, foo, bar) to myObject.
 
inb4 Smalltalk
 
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9:10 PM
You can send any message to any object, and it's completely up to the object what to do with it. It's not restricted in any way.
 
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You could send an integer without a method name if you want.
 
@not-rightfold @sehe's right: you've pretty much just described (part of) Smalltalk.
 
Hm.
27k errors.
Nice.
 
@Rapptz ...of which maybe 10 really mean something.
 
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inb4 forgot a single semicolon.
 
9:18 PM
@JerryCoffin Well, the code is only 17 LOC so probably.
 
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@JerryCoffin It's not exactly the same.
 
Oh never mind, it's "only" 26,022 errors.
 
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It's basically an abstraction over the actor model.
 
Right. For a saveable range, I can implement chunk(n, r) via successive calls to slice(from(k * n).to((k+1) * n), r).
 
That looks like an awesomely bad script, fyi. It could just cd $(basename "$0") and be done. Also, I'm not sure whether it's within the ethics of SO to post network hacking tools. — sehe 1 min ago
 
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9:29 PM
Also, AFAIK, message passing in Smalltalk is synchronous, i.e. req/rep.
 
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Active objects ftw.
 
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Here you could receive a message, set some flag, receive other messages and then reply. It's more flexible.
 
@not-rightfold It was originally (e.g., as Smalltalk was originally defined in the early 1970's) but versions that include asynchronous message passing have been around for years.
In most cases it's a distinction without a noticeable difference though -- you just make the reply a trivial ACK, and the "real" reply is sent as a separate message. Consider sending the message via TCP, in which case the reply isn't (necessarily) much more than the ACK that TCP sends in response to the frame that was used to hold the message itself.
 
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The caller blocks until the reply is received.
 
@not-rightfold Sure -- but as already noted, that's often just an ACK, in which case the block is infinitesimal.
Anyway, gotta go. TTYL.
 
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9:38 PM
There is no ACK.
 
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You send a message and you block until there is a reply. If the receiver does not want to reply immediately, you stay blocked. The receiver can in the meantime handle other messages if it wants and reply later.
 
9:54 PM
urgh
why did I have to eat tasty lemon stuff and carrot cake today.
 
stomacheache?
Wow, what a word.
stom ache ache
 
I prefer to use the term "stomachpocalypse"
 
Finally home
Damn, so much driving today
 
@not-rightfold Have you already left Gear behind?
 
Should I commit the .vcxproj file?
 
10:05 PM
nope
Evening
@TonyTheLion Me too man. Me too.
 
So in terms of what is needed to build it. Just the .sln file?
 
.sln and .vcxproj are required to build it IF you want someone else to get a Visual Studio solution open and just F7 to build without any hassel
Otherwise, you need to get a cross-platform build system that makes these files for you
 
you need to commit vcxproj, not necessarily sln.
 
or, you just put only the source and let the user figure out how to build it
 
not usually recommended
 
10:08 PM
@ThePhD this
 
I think building out of the box (or, at least, as much as I can do for that) would be good.
I also seem to have a .vcxproject.filters file. What shall I do with that?
 
eh
it's not really important.
 
@Pawnguy7 Do you need a gitignore for Visual Studio?
 
Speaking of that.... at what point does it prevent the addition of such files?
 
commit time.
 
10:15 PM
Fuck, I think I'm back to ephemeral again. Or making start idempotent? Eh, too hungry to think.
 
@Pawnguy7 Whatever you do, there's some gigantic file you should make sure not to commit.
A cache of the project or something.
 
.sdf, or otherwise?
 
I'm trying to remember what it was. Could've been that, but I remember it being really big. It might have been more than a few added together being huge.
 
It was at least 10 MB.
 
Friends and I. Good times >.>
Oh, my other one is 33MB. That must be it.
Yeah, for whatever reason, the sdf was being committed and that didn't work so well.
But hey, that's what a small project (or set of) between three people is for :p
 
10:19 PM
Hrm... I am pretty sure it lets me commit a .exe.
 
@Pawnguy7 I also learned not to do that.
Needless to say, I suck with git.
 
I don't want to, but it lets me, which has me concerned.
 
@Pawnguy7 did you told him not to?
 
Oh. Apparently that isn't in the gitignore. Then again, it blocks the path where they would normally be generated.
I suck at git too :D
@Jefffrey want to see the most recent landscape?
 
@Pawnguy7 let's see :)
 
10:26 PM
And I am out of ideas for more at the moment.
 
Ok, that's a storm. But I don't like the background color.
 
The background can be changed. Lighter, I assume?
Anyway, there is also the overlay to take into account.
 
Yeah, brighter so that it contrasts with the blue of the drops
Also, why don't you try to have multiple branches in the thunder strike?
 
I plan to.
 
Good :D
 
10:29 PM
Although, it might end up looking back due to the limited room.
 
Yeah.
 
Better?
 
Yup. Maybe lighter the grass too (possibly lighter where the thunder strikes).
Gotta go lads. Good night.
 
Previous attempt at lighting :D
 
The lighting is a bit too localized,
but if you did that for a SINGLE frame, or even 2 frames,
that'd make a nice FLASH effect
 
10:37 PM
@Pawnguy7 Okay, now I have to ask. I wasn’t there when you discussed this, so … what the hell are these graphics?
 
@KonradRudolph screensaver
 
… of pixels? Any specific visualisation that you’re aiming for?
 
Um... I just say it is made of colored blocks. As for the look I am aiming for... would be the look it is, I think.
Currently have 14.
Thoughts?
 
11:01 PM
I'm so scared of sleeping now.
 
@DeadMG I had a funny university "nightmare" last night. I can't remember much, unfortunately.
 
university is a nightmare
 
Weakling.
 
you just live in a happy flower world full of all of the wonderful elves making toys for the little children
 
I must be sleepy...why is this rejected for "too many initializers" ? std::array<std::array<float, 3>, 3> arr{ {1, 2, 3}, {4, 5, 6}, {7, 8, 9} };
 
11:05 PM
add an extra { } at the top scope.
 
oh.
 
11:17 PM
@DeadMG Wasn't that "fixed"?
 
dunno
 
Xeo
11:42 PM
@chris = {...} allows brace-elision
 
I'm removing all my #ifndef HEADER_GUARD
and replacing them with #pragma
All compilers this side of 2010 support #pragma once, no?
 
@ThePhD Think so.
 
Good enough for me.
 
If you need to be safe, you can do both.
 
Meh.
I don't plan on compiling with old compilers.
Unlike other code bases, I don't give a fuck about backwards compiler compatability.
Upgrade or get left behind. :3c
 
Xeo
11:51 PM
Implying that anybody will use your library :>
 
That's the whole point, though!
Closed source, and only mine.
I don't have to worry about anybody but myself.
Selfish programming. <3
 
Xeo
that a new paradigm?
 
@ThePhD That's my strategy.
I don't write anything worth using yet anyway. At least it's there for certain key people to see.
 
rpcndr...
 
I still use #ifndef
#pragma once feels wrong
 
11:59 PM
@Rapptz I know, right? AFAIK, though, it can be faster, and it's ignored anyway if not supported.
 

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