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8:00 PM
lol, this guy posted an answer, to a question that already had an accepted answer, and its plain wrong
 
maybe it's just misspelled 3:c
that would be adding 3 to the beginning of list c
 
@ThePhD that is a catface... new Picasso
 
@Pawnguy7 you should ask the user about that
 
@BenCollins hehe, I originally used paste until I used the tab....
 
@BartekBanachewicz Probably. Anyway, I was thinking of a sort of... welll, if I ever made a simple LAN chat, ina way that it would open a window IF you got a message. Then I realized, I would need a server for that, so none of it would actually work... oh well.
 
8:02 PM
also Github just died.
what the fuck is going on
 
Linus has fallen.
 
@ThePhD Success!
 
Let the era of Windows persist for many millenia.
 
Died?
 
@ThePhD and what has Linus to do with it?
 
8:04 PM
Linus = Creator of git
 
If Github dies, implies git has mostly died with it, along with the Linux repos
 
except all of the distributed mirrors
 
Does MS make a version control?
 
@ThePhD Although, you might have missed the point.
 
8:05 PM
that's like saying by removing windows from your PC you are wiping it from the entire planet
 
@Pawnguy7 TFS.
 
@EtiennedeMartel FFS*
 
@Pawnguy7 Team Foundation Suckage Server
Actually, TFS is quite good, but like Perforce is suffers from explicit checkout demand.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Oh.. that totally makes sense.
 
And marks files on the filesystem as read-only
 
8:06 PM
@Rapptz hm? are you getting access errors too?
 
Which is just ass-backwards.
@EtiennedeMartel Probably.
 
@BartekBanachewicz My git push origin master has been stuck for about 2 minutes.
 
oh, funny. I was denied permissions to my repo.
I'm getting unicorns.
amazing.
 
TIL I about the Luhn Check.
 
@ThePhD what's that?
 
8:08 PM
Credit Card validation algorithm that validates a 16 digit number.
Only 10% of a combination of randomly selected numbers pass.
 
@ThePhD Those TFS issues go away if you use the git integration
 
@ReedCopsey I wish there was mercurial integration too. ;~;
 
Me too
but git has better tooling nowadays, so I don't care too much either way
 
Maybe I could convert all my repos.
 
8:10 PM
TBH I usually only interface with GUI, with occasionally command line stuff.
 
@ThePhD isn't Hg pretty much the more hipster Git?
oh that reminds me
 
No
 
For a while most people here were Hg fans.
And then everyone switched to Git.
I don't really know what happened.
 
> and developers who think that git’s ability to edit your previous commits is moronic, unnecessary, and dangerous will appreciate the simplicity hg provides by omitting that particular feature.
that might be it.
 
I think because Git has better support everywhere.
 
8:12 PM
Also GitHub, really. Noone uses bitbucket.
 
No.
 
I found my XFire account.
 
VS 2013 Preview has Git support.
 
Apparently it still exists.
 
@EtiennedeMartel HG = Mercurial?
 
8:12 PM
It does not have Hg support, which has been somewhat frustrating.
 
> Last Online: almost 5 years
 
interesting
 
@Jeffrey Yes.
 
@CatPlusPlus I'm surprised XFire is still alive.
 
@ThePhD switch to git problem solved
 
8:12 PM
@EtiennedeMartel No one here actually dislikes hg, it's just GitHub features were a little better.
 
@Rapptz I see.
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh God, XFire... a lot of memories there
 
Well
as long as Bitbucket can handle Git
 
We've started using git at work, so I just switched for everything.
 
and I can keep my repos private
IDGAF
 
8:13 PM
private repos are neat.
 
@H2CO3 I know that, and you do. But the OP is clearly not confident he knows, which is why he asks a perfectly valid question. It's ok to say "don't sweat it; you'll know when you need it", but that doesn't make the question invalid. And, your comments seem to completely ignore that the question is not just about whether you can trust returning large objects will get optimized (it won't always...) but also about what other interface considerations play a role. — sehe 28 secs ago
 
@Rapptz except how much of your stuff isn't opensourced?
 
> Last Played: almost 7 years ago
 
Bitbucket is neat.
 
@CatPlusPlus How do you guys do it?
 
8:14 PM
@BartekBanachewicz about 85% of it
 
@Rapptz wow, what do you keep there?
 
I tried pushing to replace SVN with Git or Hg at work, to no avail.
 
Tonight, I'll port everything to Git.
@EtiennedeMartel Go for the Git for now. Not many people are supporting Hg. =/
Really, it's just VS 2013 Preview
 
Oh GitHub is back.
 
8:15 PM
@Rapptz was it gone?
 
weird because I can't amend my commit. FFS I am not using Hg let me correct the dumb mistake
 
@Rapptz The NSA got to them.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well, for one project we were still on SVN, and the next we did on Git, and now we run a GitLab instance. vOv
Ugh no account removal.
At least verified alive I guess.
 
Your edit is worse, because now it works, but is considered bad style in modern C++ (namely, raw owning pointers). Use unique_ptr, or avoid dynamic allocation altogether. — Etienne de Martel 36 secs ago
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't have much on Git but I have about 14 repositories here (guess how many are private)
 
8:17 PM
IRC accounts probably dead, since I haven't logged in in years.
 
@Rapptz yeah, but I mean, why are you keeping those stuff private?
 
Stuff I don't want people seeing.
 
Ohoho PolNet
I wonder if they're still running.
 
Hehe! 'Your edit is worse, because now it works'
 
@MartinJames Something that works but badly is worse than something that doesn't work at all, because it lures you into thinking that the bad solution is appropriate.
 
8:19 PM
I never type my password wrong on websites, but in the command line I seem to get it wrong often.
 
lol myPalindrome, having implemented reverse just a while ago
 
Gah! Thunder again. Powering down :(
 
@H2CO3 this lowly comment begs you to stop assuming we're all just uninformed. Thank you very much. — sehe 7 secs ago
^ help needed. desired
@Rapptz 1
 
@sehe What kind of help?
 
@sehe :)
 
8:24 PM
@MartinJames Don't you have surge protection?
@EtiennedeMartel That's up to you
> Edit: ¹ an excellent addition to "obligatory papers" (they're not; they're just incredibly helpful if you want to understand things): Want Speed? Pass By value by Dave Abrahams - my answer
5 hours ago, by sehe
@TonyTheLion LAWL. I'm good at the guessing game
 
Definitely.
 
@Tiina To what are you referring?
 
@sehe Let's Lounge It Up.
 
Xeo
That smurf's a new one.
 
8:33 PM
New mod?
 
@H2CO3 I'm not twisting your words. You fail to realize that you're responding to a tiny fraction of the context. "Approach 1 would require copying the whole collection which is expensive for large collections" - this will remain true regardless of the optimizations you mention. Read n.m.'s last comment carefully. (Oh, and also regardless of the amount of pejorative connotations associated with the current decade.)sehe 1 min ago
Pardon me. Looks more like a cat to me.
Gargamel!?
 
inb4 comment thread gets nuked
 
@BenCollins o-O?
 
And on the floating-point question as well. lol
 
@Mysticial mmm? why? not much out of the ordinary has been said
 
8:46 PM
@sehe You should see the one on the floating-point question.
 
@Mysticial does youtube take interns :3 or is it the general google intern pool?
 
@Mysticial I probably shouldn't. I'll pass for today
 
Xeo
@sehe Why are you even arguing with him.
 
@EiyrioĂ¼vonKauyf yes, they have interns. I have no idea how to get into it though.
 
@Mysticial :|
 
8:48 PM
Kids, sup?
 
Xeo
@sehe: for (auto& slot : myType.begin()) doesn't seem right, if begin() returns an iterator.
Did you mean just for(auto& slot : myType)?
 
@Mysticial time for screenshots.
 
Xeo
Dude, why the fuck do you keep deleting your messages.
 
8:49 PM
@Xeo noobs
 
Xeo
If you're afraid of leaving your messages for everyone to read, a chat is the wrong place for you.
 
@Xeo Especially since it's useless because owners can still see deleted messages.
 
@Mysticial lol
oops wrong ping =/
 
@EiyrioĂ¼vonKauyf hmm?
 
@BenCollins hello there :O
 
9:03 PM
@BenCollins Hi mod I've never seen before :)
 
Hi people. How do i print the symbol for less than or equal to from the ASCII chart in to c++. The symbol appears on the extended ASCII table so i think char(243) is not the right method to print it ?
 
@AmberRoxanna: We do no such thing.
 
this <= ?
 
extended ASCII is a thing?
 
That is a single symbol?
 
9:07 PM
@Pawnguy7 that's not a symbol. in unicode it's a symbol
 
Weren't there a bunch of people making their own extended ASCII for 128-255?
i.e. no standardised "extended ASCII"?
 
@EiyrioĂ¼vonKauyf They used the wording symbol. Normally I would say character. Though I guess they are similar. Or is that not what you meant?
 
Oh no, I'm right.
There is no standardised "extended ASCII"
 
9:09 PM
@AmberRoxanna: First off, what is your terminal?
Our output.
 
⩽ U+2A7D
is what i mean
 
@AmberRoxanna it'll work in MSVC on windows (at least it does for me) but that's not standard
(i realize msvc on windows is redundant)
 
code blocks
 
that uses mingw right?
 
yes
it's really not a big deal, i just wanted my output to look nice.
 
9:11 PM
Then don't use console.
 
@EiyrioĂ¼vonKauyf he's got a point. These messages are still available FYI
 
Also.
Git's core.eol destroys UTF-16 files.
 
Yet another reason why VCS should never touch the committed content.
 
9:14 PM
@BartekBanachewicz publically searchable?
 
@EiyrioĂ¼vonKauyf yes
 
@CatPlusPlus :| it just compresses it no?. what else does it do
@BartekBanachewicz even after i delete it it's still publically searchable?
dammit
i'm doing to need a proxy SO acct like tinycat
 
@EiyrioĂ¼vonKauyf core.eol/autocrlf tries to normalise line endings, badly.
 
@EiyrioĂ¼vonKauyf you can also stop posting dumb shit
 
Hey, thinking is hard.
 
9:15 PM
@CatPlusPlus oh didn't know that
 
also I think I've finally managed to get telkitty out of here forever
 
@BartekBanachewicz :| i don't think i do that anymore
minus an image here and there
 
@BartekBanachewicz i thought she did that herself by pissing off the mods
 
@Borgleader lots of proxy accts
i thought she was still here ...
 
@Borgleader she said goodbye today after I've told her we had enough of her
 
9:16 PM
That proves nothing.
Did you do the goat ritual?
Did you burn the bones?
 
no, but I wrote some haskell today
 
Ell
Woah woah
 
i'm going to regret this
 
Ell
You got rid of telkitty!?
:(
 
9:17 PM
@CatPlusPlus can you explain the goat ritual
 
You're not worthy.
 
okay then :| back to my black magic i go
 
however Ex. 7 introduces new data type
and since I can't do that yet I've figured I should learn that first
 
@Borgleader .... magic
 
@BartekBanachewicz :| i should do the lisp 99 problems
my lisp skills are around .001
 
9:20 PM
Take a look at QuickCheck, too.
 
@EiyrioĂ¼vonKauyf mine are too, but lisp is way less usefull than Hs
@CatPlusPlus shiny!
and Criterion :)
 
Lisp has issues.
 
@CatPlusPlus Can you explain it to me?
@CatPlusPlus So do I. :P
 
@TonyTheLion You don't want to know.
 
9:23 PM
Oh ok
 
@TonyTheLion :|
maybe it's a secret goat dance
you have to salsa with a goat
;D
 
no, you make salsa with the goat's blood you nub
 
that's awkward
i eat a lot of salsa
is that why i have horns?
 
9:41 PM
@Rapptz: If you call that from the main thread, it will suspend the main loop which can cause visual glitches (as it won't redraw). — Dietrich Epp 1 min ago
here's a question for you OpenGL people. ^
 
Assuming Win32 window + OGL, if you sleep the main thread the window will become unresponsive for one second. As for visual glitches you'll only get them if theres anything dynamic like things moving around (but i doubt it considering OPs basic question)
 
> even though they could be more generic and usable if they just took any type that's part of the Integral or Num typeclasses (depending on the functions). They do that for historical reasons
Damn @CatPlusPlus, that's kinda suckage :/
 
lol, this was funny. My 1.5 years old daughter has woken up (it is nearly 24:00) and was like "waking up, out of bed" (in Czech).
 
at least the generic ones are there, so ok.
 
@BartekBanachewicz What, length et al? They have generic counterparts.
 
9:53 PM
@CatPlusPlus I wonder why that change would be breaking, though
 
can I ask a question here about how to use my android phone or am I not regular enough yet?
 
Types might infer differently.
 
@MooingDuck: You can try it. :)
 
@MooingDuck c'mon
 
9:54 PM
@MooingDuck Use your fingers.
 
Currently my phone won't let me type multiple capital letters in a row, and it "fixes" subsequent letters to lowercase. How can I disable this so I can use uppercase letters in passwords again?
 
double tap the shift key?
 
No idea.
 
@Borgleader that turns on capslock, and I can type "PA", and I see that for a second, and then it replaces that with "Pa". Capslock is still on
 
Then your phone is stupid :P j/k
 
9:56 PM
Disable T9.
 
yeah. I seriously need to stop buying non-Google Androids
I went to settings->language and input->Samgsung keyboard options, but cannot find a relevant option (I have a samsung btw)
 
I'm due to upgrade my nexus one soon enough, I wonder which phone I'll get this time around
 
It's called T9.
 
iphone
 
Or dictionary or whatever.
 
9:59 PM
@CatPlusPlus after a google search, my phone seems to call it "predictive text". And disabling that fixed it :/
 
I really enjoyed having it suggest correct spellings on the screen as I type, and it wasn't doing any autocorrect stuff except the capitalization. bummer
 
I hear Swiftkey is great
 
Even with T9 on, there should be an option to use whatever you typed exactly
 
@CatPlusPlus I'd already disabled that. Apperently that option doesn't affect the casing though.
 
10:02 PM
I mean, while typing.
 
usually if something alters your text you can use backspace to undo that change. its a PITA if you have to do it for every letter though
 
@Borgleader not in my case
 
o.O ok thats really dumb
 
@Borgleader yes
My options for predictive text on this phone are "off" and "on", and if it's on I can toggle "personalized data". That's it :/
 
Ell
10:22 PM
Okay so silly question here
When you are frying eggs, do you crack them directly into the pan?
Or somewhere else, remove shell, add egg to pan
 
erm, directly?
use the side of the pan to crack it
open it up and let it drop right into the pan :D
 
Ell
But what about shell :o
 
When opening up the egg the shell will remain in your hands, no?
 
Ell
I mean, if you're bad at cracking eggs you might get some bits in the pan
And it just so happens I'm bad at cracking eggs :(
 
Hah yeah, but that's your fault then :p
You could also use a fork to crack it while it's in your hand.
 
Ell
10:26 PM
I'll just practise before hand
I'm making full English for a few people on Wednesday
 
@MooingDuck indeed. they suck even more than the stock one
 
Ell
As part of being an awesome party thrower
 
lol
Don't fry the eggs then, make pancakes. :D
 
I tried to make Loles account, but the stupid form doesn't work. :argh:
 
Ell
But English breakfast > American breakfast > "continental"
 
10:31 PM
Is get / HTTP/1.0 valid?
 
oh boy! Just saw 'The Conjuring'. It is a great film. Really intense the whole way through. Brilliant pacing IMO
@Pawnguy7 I believe so
 
@CatPlusPlus what? also wait. there's a referral system so if you could use it it would be nice
 
@Pawnguy7 Read the spec?
 
@CatPlusPlus spec and simple don't really go along.
 
@Tuntuni that's not really eggs any more... but sure is tasty :D
 
10:33 PM
@thecoshman :)
 
Ell
@thecoshman is that the horror? I can't deal with horror :P
 
@Ell It is, it is great one too.
humor me, 'Jaws', I assume you are ok with that? Despite it playing of the same basic sense of suspense about what may or may not soon happen. I'm curios why when the shark is replaced with some form of ghost and the scene very dark, literally speaking, does it the same basic suspense become 'scary'?
 
@Xeo yup - good catch
 
@CatPlusPlus apparently the referral system broke too :/
 
Ell
@thecoshman its a strange thing, I love horror, yet I can't watch any of it. I cover my eyes for the most or all of most horrors which provides enough excitement for me :P the game then becomes "when is it safe to open my eyes and listen", which has suspense of its own :P
But I haven't actually seen jaws
 
10:42 PM
@Ell I would act all shocked, but there are far to many 'must see' films I have not seen :P
@Ell huh, so, what is it that 'scares' you about the films?
 
@thecoshman the shock effect? It's no mystery: the films were very one-sidedly designed around precisely that. And that effect is precisely what attracts the audience. It should come as no surprise that this automatically spells a sub-audience that dislikes this kind of stimulus
 
@sehe not all horror films are just things jumping out at you. IMO those are cheap shots that I do not care for. I want to be scared, not shocked.
 
It's not about being genuinely shocked (that would imply naivety or limited intelligence?) but rather a dislike to deal with "larger-than-life" (emotional) triggers
 
Ell
@thecoshman I'm scared of fear itself you might say :P
I'm scared of being scared
 
You dislike being confronted with something that can affect your mood/feeling (in negative ways/uncontrollable ways)? I'd recognize that
 
10:48 PM
@sehe cough
 
@BartekBanachewicz Ohai. Health problems?
 
I think its a very similar thing to how people enjoy roller coasters, safe in the knowledge you are not going to fall to your death allows you 'enjoy' the fear of being about to fall to your death. Horror films can give you that, you can face chainsaw massacre safe in the knowledge your limbs will stay attached.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Did you think I made a bland statement that applies to all of us?
 
@Pawnguy7 yes valid just remember it ends in <CR><LF>
 
Ell
@bartek what does it mean when someone says " cough "?
 
10:50 PM
@sehe I don't know, perhaps me noticing is a sign already
 
@Ell I am guessing they cough
 
@sehe I'm fine, thanks.
Haskell awesomeness FTW.
 
@A.H. Oh. It didn't. That would make more sense.
 
@Ell They are explicitely not saying "the" (supposed) obvious.
 
Ell
@thecoshman I think its a similar thing, but with rollercoasters it is more thrill as opposed to fear I think
 
10:51 PM
@Ell generally a 'polite' disagreement
@Ell well, it's a thrill because you know you are safe despite the fearful situation, same with horrors films, they are a 'thrill'
 
Ell
Yeah I guess they are, I would say thrill is a mix of anxiety and excitement
 
@thecoshman Now that's interesting. I was gonna take the same analogy: for the same reason that some people will know the thrill of a rollercoaster, yet not be prone to ride it more than, say, once in a lifetime. "OK. I know this now. I can do without the overstimulation. I'll just enjoy watching. Fun too"
 
mmm QT setup just printed this " Warning: This should not happen! "
 
I just had an amazing talk BTW
 
@sehe what do you mean? The try (risk?) it once, and find it was too much for them? or that they find it 'pointless'?
 
10:55 PM
The guy invites me to a chat and first thing he says "I'm doing voxel stuff"
He knew how to get my attention :)
 
Ell
ITT bartek is a voxel whore
;)
 
totally.
 
@thecoshman Both. The enjoyment isn't worth it
 
wait until I learn how to use OpenGL in Haskell
pure awesomeness.
I can't wait.
 
Ell
That will be a horrible mix
 
10:57 PM
why? for procedural stuff it will be amazing
 
Ell
Are you serious? :P
 
@Xeo because he looked like he was detracting from a legitimate question. In a rather brusque way. Had he shown any signs of putting his remarks in perspective, I'd have left it. But, he kept harping on the same things in condescending tones. That's what triggers me. Sadly.
 
@BartekBanachewicz socking can get your account banned you know
 
Ell
Haskell is about not changing state
 
10:57 PM
@thecoshman wat?
 
Ell
Sort of :P
 
Haskell does imperative programming better than some imperative languages
 
@sehe to you, or are you saying in general it is not worth it?
 
@Ell Remember that I don't hold the state; OpenGL does.
 
@BartekBanachewicz (you're talking to your self)
 
Ell
10:58 PM
Disclaimer (I don't know much Haskell at all)
 
it's freaking amazing
 
It's by far the language I liked the most when learning basics.
 
@thecoshman Huh? Why do you even ask. How can this be anything but subjective, lol. .
It would be rather strange of me to impose an "opinion" there
 
Stupid Samsung had to make their own in-app purchases shit.
 
10:59 PM
@BartekBanachewicz People used to love basic, and PHP, when learning the basics
 

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