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9:00 PM
actually a fucking house after all
with a proper garden
and a huge basement to make our band tryouts
also hi.
 
@Pacha: in that case: stay calm and slowly walk away from the project ... ;) — Bart Friederichs 5 mins ago
lol
 
Xeo
@TemplateRex: Interesting with the namespace std thing
 
@not-rightfold You already have one
@BartekBanachewicz That's not what basements are for
 
user1804599
@sehe Huh?
 
@not-rightfold You! (It even has your genes)
 
9:04 PM
@sehe what? It's perfect for that
Also garden
:3
also cheap as fuck
 
user1804599
 
Ell
I need a good book to read on holiday
programming probably
or compsci
 
You nerd :P
Read Star Wars instead (more specifically old republic era)
 
Ell
I want ssomething on grammars
 
@Ell dragon book
 
9:09 PM
6 hours on the stupid Android API.
And in the end, I can't even test it further, because our account cannot access Play API (even though we can access Play console just fine).
 
Xeo
Didn't you say you'd just write it yourself if it doesn't work in 5min?
 
G'job, Google.
@Xeo 'S what I did.
 
Xeo
Oh, I see
 
The API client Google released just doesn't work for me.
 
@Ell: Read something from Iain M. Banks, from the Culture universe.
 
9:11 PM
I can't put it into main project either, because of dependency issues.
And there's literally no documentation.
 
user1804599
@Ell Common Senseā„¢
 
user1804599
@Ell Learn You a Haskell for Great Good!
 
Ell
I can't afford dragon book :/
Its like £120 last time I checked
 
user1804599
Just read it. It's for great good!
 
Ell
I'll read that. I wonder if there is eBook version
 
user1804599
9:14 PM
Which one?
 
Ell
Haskell
there must he pdf?
 
user1804599
Free ebook on official website.
 
user1804599
HTML.
 
@Ell: Get it from a technical library instead?
 
Real World Haskell is better
 
user1804599
9:14 PM
It's responsive so you can read on your smart phone.
 
user1804599
I think.
 
Ell
I have no internet :o
2
I need something for my tablet
 
Fortran you say
 
Xeo
Okay, time for Kanji
 
user1804599
 
Ell
Thanks :D
 
So, people here watch anime. Interesting.
 
@not-rightfold I'm currently reading that and it's awesome
 
Does anybody watch jdoramas as well?
 
9:17 PM
Fuck the cloud.
 
I still think Real World Haskell is better :v
 
user1804599
I've never read RWH.
 
well hello friends.
 
Ell
Has anyone read "Steve Jobs: The man who though different"
 
no
 
Xeo
9:18 PM
@wilx That's just a rumor.
 
user1804599
> though
 
user1804599
Everyone always spells that wrong.
 
Think different - just like everyone else.
 
@not-rightfold Nice pun. Old, but nice.
 
@Borgleader clone wars <3
@Ell don't you have 3G in your tablet?
@Rapptz eh, you're taking LYAH too seriously
 
9:20 PM
No.
 
Ell
Nope. But if I did it would be too expensive anyway
roaming data is a lot of money
 
@BartekBanachewicz I noticed your Platformer on github, as usual, your code is so small, if it was my dick, my girlfriend would never be satisfied :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz Clone wars, old republic era? Nuh-uh
 
Xeo
@Rapptz Do you think LYAH is bad or just that RWH is better?
 
user1804599
LYAH is not bad.
 
9:22 PM
I don't like the tone of LYAH but it doesn't make it a "bad" book, so RWH is just better.
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun wait what? It's not finished or ready or whatever by all means
 
user1804599
@MohammadAliBaydoun She isn't anyway, so why care?
 
@Borgleader Where did I say that clone wars were in old republic? I like clone wars :v
 
@not-rightfold She doesn't exist~
 
Xeo
@Rapptz Ah, I remember you saying that it feels like the guy is talking down to imperate languages.
 
9:22 PM
'tis true.
 
user1804599
@Xeo You should read anything written by Joe Armstrong.
 
user1804599
He basically hates everything that isn't functional and concurrent. :P
 
@BartekBanachewicz It still has the bare bones written from what I can see
 
user1804599
(Creator of Erlang.)
 
template <class T, class U, class U2 /* assignable from U*/, class T2 = typename std::remove_reference<T>::type>
   void set_parameter(T&& instance, U&& val, U2 (T2::* pmember)) {
    (std::forward<T>(instance).*(pmember)) = std::forward<U>(val);
}
 
Xeo
9:24 PM
That... doesn't help the OP with his problem now, does it?
 
user1804599
@sehe Indeed; { on newline.
 
Xeo
Oh wait, actually, yeah.
 
@Xeo Depends. I took "pseudo-code" literally :)
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun I wasn't really working on this
I have to think more on physics
 
Even the stupidest compilers optimize out (std::find(people.begin(), people.end(), my_girlfriend) != people.end())
@BartekBanachewicz Physics is really biting me in the ass in my engine :\
 
user1804599
9:25 PM
@MohammadAliBaydoun clang will emit "haha" as a note.
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun Mmm. They bark because my_girlfriend is a unique_ptr to a nullptr or it's weak_ptr to an object that has been collected
 
@BartekBanachewicz hows the post coming
 
Xeo
Also, set_parameter(xs, val, [].epsilon)~
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun you most certainly are doing it wrong. I've decided to write mine in haskell if I can.
 
user1804599
Syntax error.
 
9:26 PM
@Pawnguy7 I was busy lately
 
user1804599
Extraneous ~.
 
@not-rightfold shut up
 
@sehe (A) allows setting members of moved types, then immediately destroys the copy with the data. (B) might be handy to return whatever the return type is.
 
Xeo
@not-rightfold I saw that coming.
 
user1804599
@BartekBanachewicz NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN.
 
user1804599
9:26 PM
@Xeo Me too.
 
@BartekBanachewicz I figured. Want to see what I have been up to?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I'm using RK4 for integration
 
The LYAH books does only the very basics of Haskell, IMHO.
They solve only trivial problems.
 
user1804599
You need to start somewhere.
 
Everything at that point works fine, it's mainly how I'm interacting with the physics engine from the outside that's the problem (collision response for example :|)
 
9:29 PM
Sure, but books or tutorials like that are plenty.
 
@MooingDuck (A) That's not my concern. It's a setter, for crying out loud! Anyways, you can set values on temporaries anyways, so why deviate from the standard in this... useful wrapper :/ (cough) (B) I stuck to the OP's idea. I'll add it though
 
Xeo
Also, you guys should use INVOKE
 
grumble grumble ¬_¬ sounds like some sort of mouse has worked it's way into the insulation in the walls
 
Xeo
So that one can pass a member function pointer
 
@Pawnguy7 eh, can it wait till tomorrow? I am a lil' bit tired today and I want to give you proper attention
 
Xeo
9:30 PM
(std::mem_fn(memptr)(x) = val)
 
I should take a shower and go to bed
 
I should shower a bed go to take
 
@BartekBanachewicz Sure.
Would a question on how to make IE not take over default program for extensions behavior belong on super user?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I talked about the old republic, you said clone wars. I got confused. My bad.
 
Super users don't use IE
 
9:33 PM
I don't either.
 
@Borgleader meh, it's cool. H5 for SW anyway
 
@BartekBanachewicz Did I show you this already
 
Why do you return T&&? @sehe
 
Ell
Why would you shower before sleep?
 
9:35 PM
@Ell because the girl can kick you out if you don't
 
@MooingDuck I think I changed that iffy bit around :/ Added a ... use-case to demonstrate when it could be useful (in this case in order to return 11; from main in a more obfuscated manner) — sehe 51 secs ago
 
@Rapptz because otherwise any data moved into the function would be immediately destroyed
 
@Borgleader that yours?
 
@Rapptz Look closely at that useful use-case :/
@BartekBanachewicz Zing
 
@sehe ew
I see.
 
9:36 PM
@Rapptz TROLOLOLOLOL
 
Ell
Showering after sleep is so much better :3
 
@MooingDuck I take it you refreshed your bowser :)
 
@Ell Y NOT BOTH
 
@BartekBanachewicz No, I saw this on Polycount. Some guy made this from concept art for SW:1313
 
@sehe I simply didn't look at that last bit of code close enough, I was looking for an int main() or a link
 
9:38 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Doing physics in Haskell doesn't sound too bad
 
Ell
Both is waste of water :P
And washing hair too often
 
This might actually give me a reason to learn the language ;o
 
Ell
and going to bed wet is uncomfy
 
Xeo
@sehe Note that the original set_parameter loops over a container...
 
user1804599
Crossword puzzles are fun!
 
9:39 PM
@Xeo Huh. I didn't spend that much time looking at the Q :)
 
Xeo
So it's not just "for the sake of it"
 
user1804599
I should write a crossword puzzle generator in Haskell. xD
 
@Xeo I'll amend the answer.
 
What traits of Haskell make it good for physics calculations?
 
none
 
9:40 PM
@Pawnguy7 purity
 
I'd say haskell is not very good for physics
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun well if I start it I'll let you know. Vice versa hopefully.
@nightcracker I'd say your opinion sucks
 
Physics that you compute numerically is usually extremely stateful
 
room topic changed to Lounge<Dragon>: Here be dragons! [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [no-questions]
 
@BartekBanachewicz <: (First, I have to go through this E-book)
I dabbled in Haskell, but I don't know it properly :|
 
9:42 PM
Guise! I found my new job title! "Principal Intranet Facilitator"
 
Ah. I bet a Windows Update brought this upon me.
 
hey you guys lets make program
 
@Crowz We don't make programs
We laugh at them
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz I'd say you're getting a bit fanboy-ish again
 
9:46 PM
I made a program today. It's awful
 
@Xeo lol
 
So did I, but it looked cool.
 
Ell
@bartek I don't think Haskell in its self makes being pure an advantage
any other language can be just as pure as Haskell
 
He's experiencing the functional programming phase
 
eh
I never found purity to be an especially advantageous trait.
 
9:49 PM
Does functional programming derive from math in some form?
 
meh, I mean I can really see the advantages, I think
 
Xeo
@Pawnguy7 It basically is math.
 
@Pawnguy7 calculus yes
 
but I am not jumping straight at doing everything in Haskell mind you
 
@Pawnguy7 Yeah Haskell's syntax and semantics are clearly inspired by math.
 
9:50 PM
it's great, but, hold on to something it has drawbacks
 
@Hooked I missed the part about iterating your container. Fixed that. Live on Coliru once again. — sehe 47 secs ago
 
anyway I should really go to sleep
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Then don't say that someone's opinion "sucks", but explain why you think that their opinion is wrong [in your opinion].
 
@not-rightfold That should be a cool project
 
@Xeo eh, I didn't think someone would take something like that seriously
but you're righty
 
9:51 PM
@BartekBanachewicz ...
 
oi, okay!
good night
 
Ell
Night
 
Xeo
Ah, meh, would assign to the whole element.
 
@Ell Enforced side-effect isolation.
Pure by default makes huge difference.
 
Mersenne* called. He wants his twister back. — sehe 10 secs ago
 
9:57 PM
Makes function signatures much more powerful.
 
user1804599
Chrome control+F y u no regex.
 
With C++'s int foo(int, int); you can't tell what it's doing.
Because of the implicit dependency on the global environment and unrestricted side effects.
 
Xeo
/votes for pure qualifier
 
@Xeo or explicit since it's an already existing keyword.
 
9:59 PM
pure qualifier mitigates that, but then again majority of the code can be pure, so pure by default is less tedious. :v
 
Xeo
@Rapptz That's really stretching it, I find.
 

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