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7:00 PM
no
first Wide's components, then llvm, then clang
no, wait.
clang before llvm.
 
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A: Is there a standard sign function (signum, sgn) in C/C++?

user2528869The following expression will returns the sign of x (1 if x > 0 positive, -1 if x < 0 negative, or 0 if x equals to 0): x != 0 ? abs(x) / x : 0; You can also use the System::Math::Sign method.

^^ Is he suggesting the use of division for a sign-extraction?
I'm not sure if the compiler will be able to optimize that out.
 
> You can also use the System::Math::Sign method.
dafuq is that
 
C flat
 
@Mysticial lol
 
@Borgleader C#
 
7:03 PM
> It's a template so it'll take forever to compile.
It's.. a single template parameter.
 
@nightcracker D-flat.
 
@Mysticial touche
 
user1804599
@Borgleader C++/CLI
 
@Mysticial C-flat minor is the trollest thing ever though
 
user1804599
@MooingDuck That would be System.Math.Sign.
 
7:04 PM
@Mysticial three double-flats :P
 
@not-rightfold ah right
 
speaking of Wide, I've done a lot of work on that today.
 
WHAT IS WIDE FFS
 
a language I am currently constructing.
 
links?
docs?
 
7:08 PM
 
wow...
Wide/default.php
default.php
.php
 
yes, my website sucks, I know.
 
Xeo
Ohey, the game I worked on for a while was now officially announced.
 
which was that?
 
@Xeo what a tease... whats the title
 
7:12 PM
My Little Pony's Zombie Adventure MMORPG?
 
Xeo
golem.de/news/… (sorry, german site)
 
I can't read that but it sounds kinda like World of Tanks?
 
it's a shooter game?
 
Xeo
Nope
Strategy
 
(F2P MMO Tank game?)
 
SAM
@Xeo Congrats!
 
Oh it's you
 
@Xeo you work at ubisoft?
 
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Q: How to allow range-for loop on my class?

texasbruceI have a class like this: class Foo { private: int a,b,c,d; char bar; double m,n public: //constructors here }; I wanna allow range-for loop on my class, e.g. Foo foo {/*...*/}; for(auto& f : foo) { //f will be a specific order such as c,b,d,(int)m,(int)bar,a,(int)n } How ...

 
or just consulted?
 
Xeo
7:14 PM
@nightcracker I work at Funatics, and we did the actual development.
 
@Xeo ok nice
 
Xeo
That last link should've been a different one >_>
 
Ubisoft is a publisher, not a developer.
 
They're both (Assassin's Creed, Prince of Persia, Splinter Cell, ...)
I learned two things with that video: a) When i dont have my headphones plugged in and loud sounds play my mouse cursor becomes unstable and its impossible to click things, b) the mute key on my keyboard did not have any effect while it was playing
 
Ah right. I forgot Ubi still makes games.
 
Xeo
7:17 PM
@Borgleader lol
Too bad the trailer doesn't show the actual game.
But I guess that'll come with a later trailer. I hope.
 
@DeadMG whenever I'm thinking of making a new programming language I usually get stuck on value semantics tradeoffs and how to implement generics nicely and then go do something else again
 
Xeo
haha
 
Ell
@DeadMG still undefined references
 
@Xeo what is your job at Funatics?
 
@Ell Ah, well, screw it. I'll get some other monkey to look into it. Go have fun on holiday.
 
Ell
7:20 PM
Thanks :)
I'll hopefully get it to work another time
 
SAM
@Xeo Cool video...
 
Xeo
@nightcracker Programmer :P
 
guys i just need some working fast division algo which u may have used nothing else bcz algo which i found over github was not fast enough for this question. — Alok Srivastava 49 secs ago
^^ XY problem gone bad.
 
Also I love "found over github"
 
I wish /v/ wasn't so bad
 
7:22 PM
GUIS I NEED HELP QUICK THE ENCRYPTION ALGORITHM I FOUND ON GOOGLE DID NOT SECURE MY DATA HOW CAN I DELETE IT FROM THE HACKERS HARDRIVE?!
 
@Rapptz Stop going there. Problem solved.
 
I can't
Why do game reviewers give negative reviews because a game is too hard?
 
Depends.
Is the game too hard, or is it simply frustrating?
A game's difficulty can be a side effect of a bad design.
 
How can you have a hard game without feeling frustration?
 
The key is what you're thinking after you've died.
A hard but well designed game will be addictive: you'll want to try again.
 
7:24 PM
well
 
A frustrating game will simply make you want to throw your keyboard out of the window and stop playing.
 
Wide compiles, and therefore it works, even though I just made massive changes with no testing and I already know about some places where I forgot to fix the code and it can't possibly function.
time to commit my perfect code.
 
I can't really say I agree with you.
 
Xeo
.... weird. For some reason, I thought you could use iterators of different types for a range-based for-loop. :<
 
Note that I'm not talking about unbeatable or just plain badly designed games.
I'm talking about difficulty and the frustration that comes with difficulty. If a game is hard Ill get frustrated but I'll replay it again.
 
SAM
7:26 PM
@DeadMG Wide Why the name...? Just curious :)
 
In my opinion, if a game feels like it was designed for arcade in order to make you spend a lot of coins, then that's three strikes right there.
 
SAM
@Xeo Hi as I was asking, what do you refer for studying C++?
 
Xeo
SO
 
SAM
I read TC++PL 3rd and 4th edition
 
Xeo
And experimenting.
So, really, self-study.
 
SAM
7:28 PM
Of course yes...
Isn't that sufficient?
any more books?
 
C++ from books is like sky diving from books
 
@Rapptz I'm saying that a game being too hard can be a bad thing.
 
(And there's no way to set a developer payload on a subscription)
Google Play is shit.
Through and through.
 
I don't think so.
If it reaches "unbeatable" then sure.
 
7:31 PM
@Rapptz So it can be a bad thing.
 
We're not talking about unbeatable games :v
I'm talking about games that got ranked down for being "too hard", not even Nintendo hard but just "too hard"
 
I'm starting to think this is undoable.
Oh no, just bad URL. Phew.
Nope, 404.
 
SAM
@Xeo Now that might be a silly question, but by SO you mean stackoverflow... write?
 
Xeo
ya
 
SAM
Great :)
And for c++11 ?
 
7:34 PM
@Rapptz So what? If the reviewer doesn't like it because it's too hard, it's a perfectly valid reason.
 
SAM
So again?
 
You're asking if the guy had fun with the game, and he's saying "No, because I kept dying and that was frustrating and therefore not fun."
 
It's just proving the fact that I think game reviewers are the most useless job in the gaming industry.
 
I see you're not working in the games industry.
 
@Rapptz fun one though
 
7:36 PM
@Rapptz I disagree entirely, and agree with Etienne
 
Okay.
@EtiennedeMartel ..I don't. I never did, and I never will. I'm just a person who has played video games his entire life.
 
That said, it's just a review. If you like a game, what a reviewer thinks should be irrelevant.
Also, I like having an outside opinion before I buy a game.
 
Ell
this guy is recommending using cron for timing attacks in a browser based game o.O
 
Get it from someone who isn't paid to do it, like a friend or someone who shares a similar taste in games like you.
Not some modern game reviewer.
 
Why?
Someone who is paid to review games plays a lot of them.
So he might have better context.
 
7:39 PM
because virtually all modern game reviewers are corrupt?
hardly have any time at all to actually play the game before writing the review?
 
@DeadMG You know how much I like hyperboles.
 
almost certainly doesn't share the same tastes as you, and you have no way to know without looking at his entire bibliography?
 
I'm starting to think that it might not be gallstones, but rather stats that are bugging you. Because you pull a lot out of your ass.
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ok, let me rephrase that.
I don't trust any modern game reviewers to not be corrupt, and therefore the only safe attitude from my perspective is to treat them all as if they are corrupt.
 
I'm not sure the word "corrupt" applies here.
 
7:42 PM
well, I definitely remember that Gamespot guy who got fired for writing a negative review of a game from a publisher who paid to put ads all over his website.
 
The thing I dislike the most of modern game reviewers is that very few of them are actual game designers.
 
and I've read a lot about how publishers will fuck you if they think you wrote a bad review of their game, like not sending you preview copies so that other people's reviews are ahead of yours
 
and how they all send you free swag to try and influence you.
 
In philosophical, theological, or moral discussions, corruption is spiritual or moral impurity or deviation from an ideal. Corruption may include many activities including bribery and embezzlement. Government, or 'political', corruption occurs when an office-holder or other governmental employee acts in an official capacity for his or her own personal gain. This article deals with the commonplace use of the term corruption to mean dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power. Etymology The word corrupt (Middle English, from Latin corruptus, past participle of corrumpere, to abus...
 
7:44 PM
@EtiennedeMartel It's not an anecdote, that incident undeniably happened (and not to me). The real question is, how many reviewers just took it up the arse and wrote a nicer review, instead of sticking up for what they should do and getting fired for it?
 
@EtiennedeMartel That's a nice fallacy
Hey I can do the same
 
@DeadMG It is an anecdote. Did you think that "anecdote" means it isn't true?
 
@EtiennedeMartel I'm pretty sure that "anecdote" would have to be my own personal experience, at the very least.
 
@Rapptz You seem to misunderstand what that means.
 
I don't actually.
 
7:46 PM
@DeadMG I don't think that's right
 
I know that reviewers depend on game publishers to send them preview copies and host press events and purchase advertising on their websites.
depending on such people to be impartial about game publishers seems to be to be an idiot's move.
the shit about that Gamespot guy is just the most obvious and public.
since bias is a subtle thing, who can know which reviewers are biased towards the publisher that offered them a free blowjob, or by how much?
 
@DeadMG Indeed. And if a publisher cuts their support of a reviewer, that reviewer can start some PR backlash.
Because publishers wouldn't want to look like they pressured the reviewers.
 
@EtiennedeMartel For the about five minutes that he's still in business.
 
@DeadMG Doesn't work like that.
 
@EtiennedeMartel It already seems to me and virtually everyone that I know that the publishers pressure the reviewers.
if I were a publisher, I'd consider it no great PR loss.
 
7:49 PM
TBH I thought it was common knowledge among people who played multiple games.
 
@DeadMG Of course it does, because you already distrust the reviewers, so everything they do will point in that direction.
 
Most people I know and ask think the same thing
 
Therefore it must be true!
 
And who are they?
 
@EtiennedeMartel No, I distrust the reviewers because I know that the publishers pressure them.
 
7:50 PM
People who disagree with the reviewers?
@DeadMG No, you distrust them because you think the publishers pressure them, and will therefore interpret any move on their part as "proof" that they are being pressured.
It's cognitive dissonance.
 
It's impossible to trust a reviewer because they are not in a position of independance.
 
@EtiennedeMartel I see. So I guess that all of those pieces by game reviewers clearly explaining how they are being pressured, I just read them in a dream, huh?
 
@nightcracker Can't say if it's true or not in a large scale but there have been cases where they're been caught money laundering.
 
@DeadMG Funny you're mentionning that right now in the discussion.
 
> I know that reviewers depend on game publishers
 
7:51 PM
I've also read pieces by game reviewers explaining how they were not pressured.
 
you might have considered to ask how I know, if you wanted to know.
@EtiennedeMartel That doesn't show shit. If they're being pressured, then obviously the publishers would try to cover it up and have them say how they're not being pressured.
 
In any case, the publishers don't need to pressure anyone because they already know before the game is released what its metascore will be.
 
in any case, scientific proof is hardly required to be sufficient grounds for treating them all as corrupt.
 
I don't treat game reviewers as corrupt
 
7:53 PM
@DeadMG Nah, you just need to be cynical.
 
I just don't trust their numerical values for reviews
Any argument they bring up about the quality of the game is still worth reading.
 
Fun fact: there are companies staffed with former games journalists who can write a mock review of a game for you.
 
no, you just need to observe their dependence on publishers and note some of the higher-profile incidents which were based on corruption
 
@EtiennedeMartel How does this not make game journalism a joke?
 
Let me put it like this: assigning numbers to games is not journalism.
 
7:55 PM
@Rapptz We're talking about reviewing, not journalism.
 
@nightcracker Oh yeah, plus the whole "numerical review values" and "review value inflation" stuff.
 
It's like a journalist going to Egypt, assessing the political situation and then giving it a 3.
 
I should probably start downvoting answers that recommend new and raw pointers.
 
@milleniumbug I've been doing that for years.
 
numerical review and criticism falls under game journalism.
 
7:56 PM
For me, the real issue is that game reviewers are reviewers and not critics.
 
or is game journalism some sacred word that has to be separated from the lowly-peasant called game reviewing?
If someone critiques a movie is that not part of journalism now?
 
That is, they simply say "I played this game, this is what happened, this is what I thought about it".
There's no analysis.
No research.
 
It's to justify the bullshit jobs.
 
But of course there isn't, because they lack actual training in game design, so they can't apply what they know to it.
 
knowing whether or not the reviewer's opinion is relevant would require far too much background information on that reviewer
 
7:57 PM
If John Carmack would review games I would be more interested in the review.
 
Assigning numbers to games has always been a useless metric.
 
@DeadMG I don't know about you, but my life isn't sufficiently busy that I can't spare a few minutes to know what some guy thinks about a game.
 
My point exactly.
 
@CatPlusPlus That's what we've been saying
 
@nightcracker Irrelevant. Carmack is a game programmer, not a game designer.
 
7:58 PM
Good.
 
You'll know if the game looks good, not if it is good.
 
Except Etienne
 
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Q: Vector of structs c++

user2697598I am having an issue with creating a vector of structs. In my function AddApp I am unable to "push_back" the newly allocated struct into the vector. I get the error message "Invalid Arguments". I looked around to see if someone had a similar issue but nothing that helped. Can anyone point out wha...

 
@Rapptz Search where I've been saying that numbers are good.
You won't find it.
Except if you search in your head.
It might be there.
 
Well you haven't explicitly said otherwise.
 
7:58 PM
Oh this is gold: bullshitjob.com/title
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I've installed a JWT library, and forgot to use it.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Which only means shit if you know what he thinks about lots of other games.
 
Chief Mobility Analyst
 
I'm not gonna care about some guy who loved Modern Warfare 2 if he also loved every Call of Duty up till then.
 
Corporate Functionality Representative
 
7:59 PM
@DeadMG Why?
 
I'm gonna think that his head is stuck up Activision's arse.
 
It just means if you liked every CoD, then you'll like this one as well because it's the same thing.
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maybe the reviewer only has two brain cells and is only actually capable of enjoying CoD.
 
That can't apply to everything
it's a shitty metric
 
SAM
8:00 PM
Can anybody please tell me where to learn lvalues and rvalues in depth?
I am learning C++11's rvalue references and I'm not getting it even after overclocking my brain...
 
So if you assume that he likes every CoD because he's on Activision's payroll and not because of course he likes them all they're all the same fucking game, then you might be heavily biased.
 
@SAM Sorry, this is the Lounge - we don't discuss C++ here
 
Good places to learn C++:
 
@SAM Unless we actually discuss about C++, but that's different
People that actually know C++:
 
@EtiennedeMartel Well, let me put it another way. If the guy liked BioShock, then I know in advance that his opinion on games is basically irrelevant to me already.
 
8:01 PM
:lol:
 
what do I care about his opinion on Call of Duty?
 
22 mins ago, by Rapptz
Get it from someone who isn't paid to do it, like a friend or someone who shares a similar taste in games like you.
 
wait DeadMG
you said you were having a busy schedule
how can you have time for an internet argument about how you do not care about someone else's opinion?
 
if you read some mug reviewer's opinion of Call of Duty, you have no idea what that guy is like, and if he likes anything like the same things as you.
@nightcracker When?
 
@DeadMG fail - it was Etienne who said that - "my life isn't sufficiently busy that I can't spare a few minutes to know what some guy thinks about a game."
 
8:03 PM
@nightcracker I have a filter that blocks that link for being pornography. Is that site really NSFW, or is my filter too sensitive?
 
SAM
@nightcracker :11327208 What? Xeo recommended me this room so tat I can learn C++
 
@BenCollins what link?
 
user1804599
Just had the greatest idea to disfuckingable Google Instant.
 
user1804599
Man that shit is annoying.
 
@DeadMG the opposite is much more common. Why pressure reviewers, when you can invite them to exclusive parties and give them cool stuff for free?
 
8:04 PM
@BenCollins I don't see any porn on it.
 
@BenCollins Sensitive.
 
Too big :(
 
@jalf Well, they're both forms of pressure, it's just that inviting them to parties is probably easier and some people would find it less objectionable.
 
@BenCollins Probably filtered the word "shit"
 
8:06 PM
@Rapptz I suspect you're right. It's OpenDNS, which is based on community ratings, and it could just be a few too many flags on the domain that are miscategorized.
 
@Rapptz probably thought bullshit is some sort of bestiality / scat hybrid
 
SAM
@MooingDuck Thanks mate :)
 
Ugh yes genius, sniff packets to see if headers are set properly on an SSL connection.
 
did I just get binned? Oh well
 
@MooingDuck too many oneboxes :(
 
8:06 PM
@Rapptz yeah, fair enough
 
SAM
@nightcracker Did you received my question ? as a reply to your message
 
@SAM no?
Could you repeat it?
 
SAM
@nightcracker What? Xeo recommended me this room so tat I can learn C++
Now?
 
ah
well the thing about the lounge is you may or may not get help
 
le gasp my program builds without warnings!
 
8:14 PM
@MooingDuck dafuq?
you have to fix it
 
And my first thought is "now I don't know where my bugs are!"
 
we're all programmers here mostly lurking around and making jokes and sharing frustrations
 
SAM
@nightcracker I am frustrated as well!
 
so if you have a question or are stuck just ask away, but don't expect immediate answers or people being willing to devote significant amounts of time to you
and you will get trolled/joked with from time to time
welp that didn't work
 
SAM
@nightcracker No special expectations. I'll just ask... good if I get the answers... :)
ok
 
SAM
@nightcracker I have just logged in today... I'm new :)
ya
 
@MooingDuck Crank up the warnings. If it still compiles cleanly, it's clearly time to break up lint (or Clang analyzer, etc.)
@SAM Hey, so I'm not the only one. Cool.
 
@JerryCoffin well first I'll see if I can make it pass my tests
 
SAM
@JerryCoffin Cool
 
@SAM good place to learn C++? Probably. Do we answer questions or act in ways you expect? No.
 
8:21 PM
@SAM I guess he forgot to mention: lurking around, making jokes, sharing frustrations and (in my case) lying anytime it seems like it might be funny. :-)
 
"message": "This developer account does not own the application."
 
SAM
@MooingDuck @JerryCoffin Then why did Xeo recommended me this room so tat I can learn C++
 
At least it's not about headers.
 
@SAM Did he really?
 
SAM
ya
 
8:22 PM
@SAM because we know lots of C++ and in hanging out here you'll probably learn some too.
 
Where at?
 
SAM
ya
 
@SAM link to the page/comment?
 
@SAM Because when you sort out which parts to believe, there are some people here who are pretty knowledgeable (Xeo, Luc, etc.)
 
Oh he did
@SAM: I recommend joining me in the Lounge chat room (check my profile), since this is getting off-topic here. :) — Xeo 12 hours ago
 
SAM
8:24 PM
@Rapptz how did you get that link?
from my previous message?
 
That's not C#. It looks like (syntactially challenged) Perl. Is it PHP? — sehe 12 secs ago
 
Searched Xeo's comments
 
SAM
@Rapptz how to do that? can you tell me?
 
user page > activity > comments
 
8:26 PM
@SAM Further to his recommendation: you may want to download a copy of n3337, which is pretty much the C++ standard (but with a few typos and such fixed).
 
SAM
@JerryCoffin Thanks
 
@not-rightfold What is it, even
 
can anyone here explain to me what a frame pointer exactly is? I thought I knew, but after reading for a bit I'm getting confused o.0
 
@SAM Surely. If you really want to get into the details of C++, it's the ultimate source -- with the proviso that it's not a tutorial or anything close. Expect to spend some time before you can get much out of it.
 
@nightcracker Stack Overflow, [WP] etc
 
user1804599
8:27 PM
@sehe You type something, and then it lags for an hour and shows results without you having to hit the return key.
 
@sehe [WP] ?
 
@not-rightfold Oh that. Yeah. Super annoying. Disabling now
 
@nightcracker AFAIK it's effectively a pointer in the CPU that points to the first var in the active function used to find locals.
 
@nightcracker [Google] "WP" :) - first hit
 
user1804599
Basically, I search for something, don't notice the result that's there, type something more, then notice "hey I want that result" and then it disappears because of Google Instant.
 
8:29 PM
@sehe wp.pl
 
@not-rightfold Happens to me. I use Opera's one-key navigation and I invariably get 'x' or 'z' invalidating my search result. Not nice.
@nightcracker Good job.
 
you confuse me
 
Wokay. Second hit then. I just ignored the topmost result because it looked like a sponsored result.
WP may refer to: Internet and technology * Weakest precondition, in computer science * Wikipedia, a free, multilingual online encyclopedia that anyone can edit * Windows Phone, a smartphone operating system * Wirtualna Polska, a Polish web portal * WordPerfect, a word processor * Word processor, software used for the production of printable material * WordPress, PHP-based weblogging software Organisations * Warsaw Pact, a disbanded organization of Central and Eastern European communist states * Wirtschaftspartei, or Reich Party of the German Middle Class, a political party of Weimar Ger...
 
user1804599
What's the difference between an author and a committer in Git?
 
8:31 PM
@nightcracker Make a little C++ function with a passed integer, a local var and a result. Compile it and get it working. Disassemble it. Look at how the parameter and local are accessed, (turn optimization off).
 
@not-rightfold Just a guess, author is someone who made the repo?
 
user1804599
No, it's per-commit.
 
@nightcracker You won the internet!
 
@not-rightfold Yeah I see it too but it's usually always me so I figured it's just the person who made the repo.
510
Q: How do I change the author of a commit in git?

Flávio AmieiroI was writing a simple script in the school computer, and commiting the changes to git (in a repo that was in my pendrive, cloned from my computer at home). After several commits I realized I was commiting stuff as root. Is there any way to change the author of these commits to my name?

 
@sehe not kidding - Wikipedia isn't even on the first page of my google when googling for WP
 
8:33 PM
@not-rightfold I'd guess A can write code, B can write a patch, and C can submit B's patch to A.
 
user1804599
@Rapptz Then why would it be attached to every commit? :V
 
@MartinJames Or, for bonus points, use OllyDbg to crack your favourite game /cc @nightcracker
@nightcracker What is Wikipedia?
 
user1804599
 
@not-rightfold Another guess: Author is for your name, Committer is for your email.
 
Wikipedia ( or ) is a collaboratively edited, multilingual, free Internet encyclopedia supported by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation. Wikipedia's 30 million articles in 287 languages, including million}} in the English Wikipedia, are written collaboratively by volunteers around the world. Almost all of its articles can be edited by anyone having access to the site. ranking seventh globally among all websites on Alexa as of July 2013, and having an estimated 365 million readers worldwide. Wikipedia was launched on January 15, 2001, by Jimmy Wales and Larry Sanger. which is a port...
 
user1804599
8:34 PM
@Rapptz Both have a name and an email address. :P
 
@nightcracker You won the last internet. Now we all die.
 
@sehe lol
 
user1804599
Dulwich is a wonderful library.
 
Hm.
commit beef4478df8899a6755af660790307c54fab9997
Author: Rapptz <...>
 
8:35 PM
I got nothing
 
user1804599
And list comprehensions in Python are wonderful too.
 
2 mins ago, by Mooing Duck
@not-rightfold I'd guess A can write code, B can write a patch, and C can submit B's patch to A.
 
@nightcracker Sorry, that's a plonk for me. Goodbye
 
haha
 
Ell
Watching computer security programmes on TV is funny
when they show a hacker s monitor :3
 
8:39 PM
I know.
are you watching Horizon? cause I totally need to watch that.
 
You do? What are "computer security programmes on TV"?!
 
^ this
 
I think it's Oprah Winfrey.
After all, see keeps talking about insecurity
 
Ell
@deadmg yeah
 
It's so strange that stacks grow down =/
 
user1804599
8:45 PM
My code compiles!
 
@MartinJames your tip in combination with unixwiz.net/techtips/win32-callconv-asm.html enlightened me
 
@nightcracker history. But you knew that because you found out about WP today!
 
@sehe I thought you plonked me
liar
 
Reading comprehension my friend.
 
ok I lied
I didn't actually think you plonked me
 
8:49 PM
 
ouch
 
user1804599
@Rapptz "Do you want a boy or a girl?" is a stupid question to begin with.
 
user1804599
So whatever.
 
user1804599
I don't want either; I want a swine.
 
"Do you want a boy or a girl?" "Yes."
 
8:59 PM
yaaay
finally found a new apartment
 

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