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Xeo
12:04 AM
@JohanLarsson Brilliant
So, Kanjis done, let's see if VS likes me again...
FFS
 
@JohanLarsson NICE xD
 
Xeo
FUCK YOU VISUAL STUDIO :|
2
fucking hell, still not working.
Maybe I should just set up a proper mingw and get gVim on here.
 
I'm using similar approach - batch file setting some env vars and then running text editor which then can run cmd window.
 
Did you reinstall completely?
 
12:13 AM
Fully portable.
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus No, just repaired.
Uninstalling atm and then going to reinstall.
 
Reboot after uninstalling.
 
Xeo
Ya
Meh, I rebooted more times today than in the last year altogether.
Just to repair and reinstall vs12
 
@Xeo If you're going to mess around with it, why not go for the VS 2013 Preview?
 
Hohoh SO uses *.stackexchange.com SSL certificate.
 
12:15 AM
BS!
 
Ell
@xeo can't you use gvim with vs compiler?
 
Xeo
@JerryCoffin meh
@Ell fuck me if I remember all the options that cl.exe usually wants.
And it's not like I can just copy them from VS
With VS not working and everything.
 
I spent how long trying to be able to switch between satellite and the PS3, like we had the DVD player set up (the TV only has one RCA and no HDMI). After no success, I tried swapping the DVD player back in and it works fine.
 
Xeo
.. oh fuck, I forgot about debugging. What's the latest fad on Windows apart from VS for that?
 
@Xeo not bothering
 
12:18 AM
Is an inline constructor odd?
 
FFFFUUUUUUUUUU
 
Apparently, almost none.
 
Xeo
@Pawnguy7 no?
 
There's little reason to mark ctors inline.
 
From what I gather from reading Stack Overflow question on this matter.
 
12:19 AM
@Pawnguy7 Fairly common, IME anyway.
 
I forgot my brother took it to his friend's. It just didn't work because the video settings needed to be reset while turning it on.
 
yeahhhhhh boi
thanks guyz
 
Xeo
Geh, I only have 1 gold badge more than you.
Reboot time, again~
 
In this circumstance, it is a really simple struct, and it seems silly to separate the implementation when all I want is the member initializer list.
 
Xeo
Aggregate initialization not appropriate?
 
12:25 AM
I don't know why I never think of using those. I guess it never stuck.
Although, is there a way to do this cleanly as an argument for a non-std component?
Inline, that is.
 
Xeo
T{a, b, c} in C++11 should work.
 
Hrm. That was what I tried. Let me check again.
 
Xeo
Or, really, f({a, b, c}) if f only takes a T.
 
That was the second thing I tried.
 
Xeo
Okay, I have to ask: C++11 or MSVC++11?
 
12:28 AM
Hello all!
@Xeo .... C++11?
 
Xeo
That was directed at Pawnguy
 
The latter.
 
Xeo
You're fucked.
Write the ctor.
 
Hmmm, cheese with pasta.
(Not the other way around)
 
How does that work
ALSO OH GOD MY HOMEPAGE WILL BE RESPONSIVE
 
12:31 AM
@CatPlusPlus Responsive?
What about its scalability?
 
@EtiennedeMartel The columns will stack on small screens.
 
@EtiennedeMartel It will obviously be webscale. We will expect nothing less.
 
It'll be as webscale as GitHub is.
 
Xeo
> Visual Studio 2012 for Windows Desktop is incompatible with this Windows Version.
Are you fucking kidding me?
 
12:35 AM
:lol:
See what happens when you use non-English Windows.
Well, non-English software. Fuck localisation.
 
o.0
What in the world are you doing, @Xeo? 0.o
 
Xeo
Reinstalling VS12 on my Win7 32bit home PC.
 
Why reinstalling?
 
Xeo
Because it fucked up when I had Japanese locale enabled, and when I switched back to German locale, it simply died and wouldn't even start anymore.
 
Xeo played hentai vidya games and now his VS is fucked up :P
 
Xeo
12:37 AM
Pretty much.
 
Damn. I installed VS 2012 and VS 2013 preview on English, and now I'm using Japanese Locale.
It's been okay for me, but I made sure to install all the language packs.
 
Don't use Japanese locale
 
Xeo
AppLocale sucks.
 
I'm not using AppLocale
I switched my entire OS Locale to Japanese
 
Xeo
Me too.
Since AppLocale isn't always enough.
I remember having fun with one VN not being able to save with just AppLocale.
> fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'iostream': No such file or directory
... what?
Maybe I should restart again.
But VC/include only has a "srv.h".
 
12:42 AM
oh god what did you do
 
Xeo
soo... brb again
 
Why is developing anything for any mobile device such a pain in the ass?
Even setting up the toolchain for microcontrollers required less pain and time than setting it up for Android, for example.
 
Japanese Locale sucks, why would you use it
 
Xeo
@Rapptz For playing visual novels.
 
SO AWESOME
@Xeo They require locale change?
 
12:46 AM
I feel like I should know how to do that, but I don't think I do. I don't remember how resizing works anymore. Sigh.
 
Yeah asian games typically do.
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus Ye.
 
(Also the obvious follow up question is "why would you play that")
 
Xeo
Because it's fun.
 
It isn't
 
12:47 AM
But seriously, make a VM.
 
Xeo
@Rapptz Good to know that you know what's fun for me.
 
@Rapptz Do they not use Unicode or what?
 
Don't break your system for this crap.
 
Ell
@insilico do you really think that?
 
@Xeo lol
 
Ell
12:48 AM
android was super easy for me. Install android adt, install phone driver, go
 
Don't worry, it'll break.
 
Xeo
@CatPlusPlus I'm not "breaking my system".
 
Right.
 
Says Xeo as he spends his moment fixing VS2012.
 
Only Visual Studio.
:v
 
12:49 AM
@Ell I must have followed an incompetently written tutorial or something. I'd like to think it's not as hard as I make it out to be.
 
When I played Korean games and switched to Korean locale it fucked up my entire system
 
Xeo
31
Q: Visual Studio 2012 Express is suddenly "incompatible with this version of Windows"?

sigilI'm running Visual Studio Express 2012 on Windows 7. I've been running it with no problems for several months now. Last Friday, when I shut down my PC, a lot of Windows updates were installed. This morning, when I started up and opened a VS2012 solution, I got this error message: This program...

 
Certain tools didn't install properly, other tools I already installed broke
 
Xeo
Welp, time for another restart, I guess.
 
@Insilico Because.
 
12:50 AM
@Xeo Check your other tools that you installed in your original locale, they're probably broken too.
 
You know what it might because it needed the JDK, and dealing with Java in any way whatsoever on the desktop is a terrible user experience.
 
Ell
@insilico I guess. Its difficult to say with these things, everyone has different experiences.
 
No, it's just Android.
 
At least, that's my experience with it.
 
Wait until you find out that Android Studio is unusable yet and you have to use Eclipse for WYSIWYG.
 
12:51 AM
@Ell Did you ever run into this problem?
 
So apparently VS2012 can't do move operators on a thrown object, and will slice child classes.
Anyone know if it's been fixed for VS2013?
 
Xeo
@Rapptz Working fine.
 
Fuck unicode, fuck Derby County fans and clinically-dead Arse supporters. Also, a good rogering with a cactus to the local cops who, for the fourth time, stopped me while walking home because I decided I was too ratted to drive. Fuck everything, I'm going to bed.
 
Why would changing the locale of a system break a bunch of development tools? (I've never done locale changes on my machine so I'm dumb stupid about it)
 
Ell
@insilico nope, I'm on Linux though so could be windows specific
 
Xeo
12:53 AM
The worst thing about Japanese locale was that all my lambdas in GHCi started with a Yen symbol, since it replaces the original backslash.
 
@Xeo lol
 
:lol:
 
@Insilico Because you install it in locale X, but now you're using locale Y. So the tool is retarded and thinks something broke.
 
Xeo
(Naturally, all paths were displayed with a Yen symbol too.)
 
That's what happened to me at least ~5 times. So I just stick to locale Y rather than X then switch to Y.
 
12:54 AM
@Rapptz Why wouldn't development tools take account of the... no wait that's a stupid question.
 
@Xeo Yes, and the Korean one uses Won.
 
Xeo
Gogo WinUpdate, install install install.
Also, let's try and find out why my VS12 has no C++ headers.
... oh really. VS uninstall doesn't seem to have gotten rid of some registry stuff, and apparently VS installer thinks it should patch the headers instead of actually install / copy them there.
And since it has no patch, it does nothing.
Fucking hell.
 
Well, now you broke your system.
 
Xeo
I didn't, VS did.
Also, not the system, just itself.
 
It doesn't like being used for C++.
 
Ell
1:03 AM
Has anyone here read through the XMPP spec?
 
Not entire, but I know my way around it.
 
Xeo
Welp, guess I'm in for a few more restarts tonight...
And I just wanted to play around with Boost.Asio. :|
 
Play games instead. :v
 
Xeo
Not in Japanese locale anymore, else I'd play Grisaia.
 
Ell
Well I'm looking at the "opening a stream" part (xmpp.org/rfcs/rfc6120.html#streams-open) and I don't understand why the xlmns is jabber:client in the response instead of jabber:server
 
Xeo
1:05 AM
And while I'm in native locale, I might aswell finish this shit.
 
> XMPP as defined in this specification uses two content namespaces: 'jabber:client' and 'jabber:server'. These namespaces are nearly identical but are used in different contexts (client-to-server communication for 'jabber:client' and server-to-server communication for 'jabber:server').
> The only difference between the two is that the 'to' and 'from' attributes are OPTIONAL on stanzas sent over XML streams qualified by the 'jabber:client' namespace, whereas they are REQUIRED on stanzas sent over XML streams qualified by the 'jabber:server' namespace.
 
Ell
Oops
I did read that. I furrgot what it said :3
Thank you
 
Xeo
wokay, registry keys deleted, repair started, now let's wait and see.
 
I hate it when people mispronounce sake
 
Ell
I would guess sah-kay
 
1:15 AM
@Rapptz Do those people pronounce it like it is in "for fuck's sake" instead of "saw-kay"?
 
(There's no sake :()
 
@Insilico lol
I've heard it like that before actually
 
Xeo
@Rapptz What "sake"?
(I actually thought of the rice-wine first.)
 
@Xeo That's what I meant
 
@Rapptz How else do people pronounce it?
 
Xeo
1:18 AM
@Rapptz sharp-s a - k short-e
Is how I pronounce it
 
@Insilico They get pretty creative in movies.
 
Ell
Although if I didn't k ow you knew Japanese I would say sake :P
 
Xeo
That... tells us much about how you'd pronounce it.
 
I just switch back and see a whole discussion on pronouncing sake.
 
Ell
I mean for gods sake
 
1:21 AM
I've only seen sake (long a, exactly how it looks) and sah-keh.
And one of those doesn't apply to most uses.
 
It's still developed?
 
Xeo
Ya
 
I thought they proclaimed it "done" long time ago.
 
Xeo
They announced the 1.2 patch a month or so ago
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, the announcement came all of a sudden.
Okay, 2 1/2 months ago actually.
Also, Starbound will probably suck up hell of a lot of my time.
 
1:30 AM
I like the comparison between old and new plants.
Like, no difference at all.
 
You're such an "up" person, Cat.
 
Ell
So what do we actually need to extend about xmpp?
Can't we build on top of it, just with the XML of the messages, or is that what was planned anyway?
 
Ell, shouldn't you be in bed or someshit?
it's 2:41 am.
 
Xeo
3:41 :<
aaaand time for another restart.
 
Xeo, didn't I see you go to bed like, two hours ago?
 
or maybe I'm just getting confused with last night.
 
His system broke from locale changes
 
btw
is it just me, or is playing a fighter in 3.5e actually somewhat interesting?
 
Ell
I am in bed :D
But I will be sleeping soon
 
Xeo
@Rapptz FFS, my system is not broken.
 
1:46 AM
Heh.
 
Lol
 
@CatPlusPlus so tempted to click "New Issue" and write "nobody cares"
teehee
night folkses!
 
@Xeo Fix it yet?
 
@CatPlusPlus How far is the Lounge<Chat> developement wise?
 
As far as you can see.
 
Xeo
1:51 AM
room topic changed to Lounge<Chat>: Alright folks, we're done! [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [no-questions]
 
in order words, about two inches and then it stops.
 
Xeo
@CCInc As you can see, it just got finished!
 
I know that migration won't happen regardless, so I'm not in any kind of hurry.
 
SO chat is a good platform for chatting (aside from.. the issues..)
Remaking it to scope outside of SO isn't really a bad idea by itself imo.
 
loungecpp.github.io/project.html is my :words: on why SO chat in current shape sucks.
(look at that fukken marketing blurb at the end)
 
2:00 AM
For some reason, defining things in a namespace in a different file sometimes works using ns::name and sometimes namespace ns {name}. It's kind of disappointing when one works for a while, then one randomly gives a linker error.
 
Xeo
The former only works if the name is already declared.
The latter can also introduce a new name.
 
@Xeo Both have it declared in a header.
 
Xeo
In other news, still no fucking C++ headers.
Fuck this shit, I'm going to sleep.
 
Ah, sucks.
Night.
 
Although, when the second failed, namespace ns {ns::name} worked >.>
 
Xeo
2:03 AM
@chris Erm, accidental nested namespace?
 
@Xeo Yeah, that definitely wasn't in detail.
@Xeo But don't worry about it. Go to bed :p
 
Anyway want to contemplate how to optimize something?
 
2:41 AM
the only thing I'm contemplating is whether it's safe to sleep right now.
 
piotrl.pl BEHOLD
Yeah there's nothing there. But it's better.
 
sidebar should be on the right imo
 
3:09 AM
@CatPlusPlus Looks like a Windows 8 start screen.
 
@Xeo Why did you show me this game?
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/35/g6g9.jpg
 
Tek
So anyone interested to hear a really dumb story about how I just got hacked? :/
 
So what is chatted about here in the lounge?
 
You talk about stuff
If it's interesting, people reply.
 
That's helpful I guess...
 
3:17 AM
Talking with people is hard
 
True
Especially programmers :)
Programmer to programmer chat often ends in awkward silence
 
@CatPlusPlus No it isn't.
 
@EtiennedeMartel @EtiennedeMartel Yes it is
 
@EtiennedeMartel You should know how to read my messages tsk tsk.
I'm betting on chicken races in Fable. AND LOSING.
 
Hay, anyone know the name of that site kind of like JSfiddle but it is to show off your work?
I want to play with random things people make
 
3:23 AM
Stupid chickens.
 
...
Bye...
Oh and the site is CSS Deck!
 
@DeadMG stomach ?
 
What are your opinions on J*v*Script?
 
@MohammadAliBaydoun is that a regex?
 
No, I'm censoring it for the sake of the CHILDREN.
 
3:35 AM
 
@Borgleader Alrighty then ;-;
 
4:29 AM
Hey, go to this thing that rightfold linked and type javascript: AddCookie(123456789); in the address bar
 
Guys, can anyone tell me why I get a linker error here?
 
> "I don’t understand why we can’t convert our video (1920x1080) to 4096x96. I’ve done the math and it makes sense."
 
Okay.. well my linker error was in regards to my range-based for loop.
I can't tell why but whatever I suppose
 
#define REP(i, n) for(int (i) = 0; i < n; i++)
#define FOR(i, a, n) for(int (i) = a; i < n; i++)
#define FORR(i, a, n) for(int (i) = a; i <= n; i++)
#define for_each(q, s) for(typeof(s.begin()) q=s.begin(); q!=s.end(); q++)
#define sz(n) n.size()
#define pb(n) push_back(n)
#define all(n) n.begin(), n.end()
@Rapptz I'm not sure.
 
4:56 AM
I wish I had a use for std::ratio. It's so cool.
 
@Rapptz I think I used that for something, but I can't remember what.
Oh, it was for making chrono UDLs until C++14 rolls around.
So not really a new use.
 
I actually made a _s UDL to save typing for std::string despite bashing it earlier. I bet @Luc will make fun of me.
 
@Rapptz I have one of those beside the chrono ones. Again, half because it's coming soon and is like no work.
 
I also have the transparent functors.
Since it's.. so easy to write.
And indices.. because well I've had those longer than its been standardised.
 
@Rapptz I have the networking library.
Nah, just kidding.
 
5:04 AM
lol
 
Is that one based on asio?
 
I didn't even know we had one.
 
@Rapptz Yeah, that and the filesystem are TR2 and should come out with C++14.
 
I just want std::regex to actually work with gcc
perfectly happy with boost::asio
 
It's been a couple years
 
5:07 AM
@A.H. That would be nice, actually. Getting std::thread to work with it was a good moment for me.
 
Mine was when std::to_string was fixed
It was actually my top answer on SO for a while.
 
@Rapptz Oh yeah, I patched it myself for a while.
And it still didn't work with the wide versions like that.
Then I found the patch.
 
41
A: to_string is not a member of std, says so g++

RapptzThis is a known bug under MinGW. Relevant Bugzilla. In the comments section you can get a patch to make it work with MinGW. Update It seems as of MinGW-w64 4.8.0 it's working (std::stoi, std::to_string, etc). I've only tested it for the distro I use by rubenvb though I figure there's a chance it...

 
have an upboat
 
Ah.. yeah I haven't actually tested std::to_wstring..
Thanks :>
 
5:10 AM
@Rapptz I'm fairly certain it works.
 
Whoa. Compile time date algorithms? home.roadrunner.com/~hinnant/date_algorithms.html
 
@Rapptz s/data/date
I was wondering what you meant.
 
weird typo
 
Pretty cool anyhow.
 
Yeah.
 
5:27 AM
This has been asked so many times, did you search at all? — Rapptz 13 secs ago
:(
 
i closed as primarily opinion based
i think i did that the last time this question showed up too
i flagged it
 
5:46 AM
Ok, I'll admit Doritos Inferno chips actually get pretty darn hot after eating more than a few.
 
Can I ask you a question?
Anyone here familiar with ARM prodcessor?
 
@O0oO0oOO0ooO No.
@O0oO0oOO0ooO Wait. You did anyway? How dare you?
@O0oO0oOO0ooO Not really. What is a prodcessor? A processor built into a cattle prod?
 
I meant processor
Sorry
Borg
 
6:02 AM
@Borgleader Hahahaha Blainville.
 
Hahahaha xD wow...
 
you are here @O0oO0oOO0ooO
 
I remember you because of your profile picture, how are you doing?
Do you happen to know anything about ARM processor?
 
Hello? Derp
 
6:10 AM
@Borgleader Ha.
 
haha
I remember you due to your nickname
@O0oO0oOO0ooO
that means bubble or something else?
 
Yeah, many balls
in different sizes
 
This guy Vincent is on a question spree lol
 
specially
 
what?
 
6:18 AM
@Rapptz vincent?
 
1
Q: Why std::array<int, 10> x is not zero-initialized but std::array<int, 10> x = std::array<int, 10>() seems to be?

VincentI have just asked two questions about array and value initialization here and here. But with this code, I'm lost: #include <iostream> #include <iomanip> #include <array> template <class T, class U = decltype(std::declval<T>().at(0))> inline U f1(const unsigned int i) {T x; return x.at(i);} tem...

 
is decltype a new character in c++11?
 
i think you mean keyword
 
yeah
so? @Borgleader
 
6:25 AM
what's the usage? @Borgleader
 
read the wiki page? thats why i linked it
 
@Rapptz holy shit 319 questions
 
I saw some dude with about 6k rep, 99.9% of it was from questions
 
I just expected more rep per question , quality not quantity
 
I've seen 10k+ people with only 1 answer
 
6:32 AM
Hahaha quality questions on SO :P
 
@A.H. Rep has a lot less to do with quality than popularity. In any case, the rep cap (200 rep/day max from upvotes) means that only a few questions that retain substantial long-term popularity generate more than a few hundred points of rep.
 
Like the branch prediction question
I sacrifice a goat every second thursday in hopes of one day answering one of those
 
@Borgleader Yes, that's an obvious one. The number of questions/answers like that is utterly minuscule though.
 
@Borgleader That time's mostly over.
All the basic cool questions are already taken from 08-09.
 
@Rapptz Don't remind me T_T
 
6:47 AM
And then there's this:
205
A: Which is better option to use for dividing an integer number by 2?

Cat Plus PlusDoes the first one look like dividing? No. If you want to divide, use x / 2. Compiler can optimise it to use bit-shift if possible (it's called strength reduction), which makes it a useless micro-optimisation if you do it on your own.

 
@JerryCoffin True, the only two that come to mind for me is the branch prediction and Eric Lippert's hotel answer.
 
HTML regex.
But those have a lot of burned rep.
Also why do you still care about rep ugh
 
Me? I want them 10-20k privileges
 
They're not interesting.
In fact, on chat, they're actively annoying.
9AM. time to go to sleep I guess.
 
Mabe but whenever someone links a delete question/answer i can't see it directly. so at least 10k would be nice
Hopefully by the end of the year I'll have learned enough C#/Haskell/Python for it to be easy to repcap
 
6:54 AM
@CatPlusPlus 9AM. The time when men of reason go to sleep.
 

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