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9:00 PM
@CatPlusPlus Look! Mobile stuff!
 
Great.
 
Ell
Jesus christ. Ira is amazing
He looks real
das auto
 
@Ell oh, is he back?
 
Ell
Back? o.O
 
9:02 PM
@MooingDuck No, not that Ira.
 
@EtiennedeMartel oh
@ScottW SO doesn't support png? wierd
oh, someone got it to render right
 
@Ell looks like he has severe mood swings
 
@MooingDuck No, you need more rep to embed images.
 
@MooingDuck It takes approximately 40-50 minutes for me to get there. Anyway see you all later
 
@CatPlusPlus ah
 
9:07 PM
Hm, no, you need only 10. Then @ScottW just sucks at Markdown.
 
Ell
@ScottW wait I don't understand... why do you expect desktop site to work on mobile?
 
@Ell because the mobile client is terrible
 
Adaptive/responsive design is a thing.
But nobody cares about chat so.
 
@CatPlusPlus I couldn't figure it out either. When I tried SO told me that png was an unsupported format. So I'm bad too :(
 
Do override and/or final methods need to be inline?
 
9:08 PM
![](http://imgur.com/rt4C3WL.png)
 
@CatPlusPlus click add picture button. Select from web. Enter url. click OK. "Failed to upload image; the format is not supported"
 
Yeah uploading != embedding.
 
@CatPlusPlus then the picture icon in the editing toolbar is rather misleading isn't it?
 
You can choose "from the web" to embed a link.
Or you know just write Markdown because who the fuck uses that toolbar.
 
@CatPlusPlus that's what I was doing that gave me the message
 
9:10 PM
lol that picture caught Mooing Duck's attempt at doxing.
 
nvm im an idiot
 
@MooingDuck Then file a bug. vOv
 
Hellooo from London. :D
 
dontcha love building on top of a project tons then only realizing too late how faulty the foundation was?
 
user142019
I'm going back to DuckDuckGo again.
 
9:14 PM
@CatPlusPlus "the format is not supported – image host returned a 400 Bad Request; the by far most likely cause of this is that the image you uploaded has an unsupported format or is corrupt."
 
user142019
It's become a lot faster.
 
@sehe every time I look at your avatar, I am seeing a very white gorilla, and then I realize it's a polar bear looking at some template metaprogramming, saying "ugh"
 
user142019
Don't need to wait half a damn second anymore.
 
@TemplateRex Well. You're in (good) company. Many people have mistakenly called me a gorilla before. I don't see it, but hey... :)
And welcome to the lounge. Seems I have always managed to avoid you here :/
 
Ell
user image
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9:16 PM
@Ell From sand. Yes
 
@sehe type "gorilla" into google images, and the shape of the top of the head is the same as the back of your polar bear
 
Makes so much sense
 
Ell
@sehe :(
 
user142019
@sehe Glasvezel jonge.
 
just watched Scott Meyers in action: isocpp.org/blog/2013/07/…
 
9:20 PM
^ this is unrelated
but i'm so confused
 
he now offered a synonym for universal references: "rvalue references in a reference collapsing context"
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf The first tune is the oboe solo theme from Dvorak's "From the new world symphony" (9th, IIRC)
 
. holy shit. i need to torrent dvorak now; well at least people that played dvorak
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf of course you do
 
any prefs for russians or british? always the austrians and germans. euh and lately korea/china is doing amazing at piano competitions
 
9:23 PM
hehehe. Take the Czech, Antonín being Czech and all. Also, "symphony". Piano competitions are hardly relevant
Also, start with the second movement. That's the spot
Oh. Last theme is "Ode To Joy" from Beethoven's Ninth. Sufficiently raped
 
yaaaaaaawn, bed time here
 
Psh. Sleeping. Filthy humanoids
 
user142019
Ik ga slapen schatjes.
 
.@DoerteDev Yeah, sweet & gorgeous are exactly the skills that make me respect a developer, thanks dude. /me rolls eyes
@rightfold cough
Don't fall asleep now
that would be a waste of time
 
9:40 PM
if any of you cool kids want some rep
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Q: Keyboard input, held down keys, and Nested lambda function C++

ChemistppMaybe my entire approach at keyboard input is not the best. So quickly to handle held key input, I use a std::function<void()> to sort of save the 'key state'. The tutorials I've seen use some sort of value to modify (i.e. xvelocity) or something so then instead of incrementing x, they append x...

 
bam I got my rep for the day
 
lol
 
@Chemistpp oh hey, awkward timing
 
@MooingDuck Hai
 
@Chemistpp Hai
 
9:49 PM
Oh god I hate people who say "convert to PDF" it's not conversion you bastards
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit why is it not a conversion? Because the origional still exists?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit save as .pdf?
 
@Chemistpp ugh
 
what is the correct verb to turn my word document into a .pdf document?
 
@MooingDuck I don't know how to explain it. :( I've always enjoyed the abstraction that leads to "printing" to a PDF, rendering to a PDF, etc.
You don't "convert" a Word document to a printed piece of paper.
 
9:51 PM
printing seems ilke the worst word
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit if you can't explain it then why rail against colloquial termonology?
@Chemistpp I print to pdf all the time
 
I think I'd say you can "convert" if you end up with something you can still edit. This isn't conversion — it's rendering. Distilling.
@MooingDuck Just because I can't explain a feeling doesn't mean I don't have it.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit fair enough
 
I can edit pdf files
 
@MooingDuck If you can't explain the extent to which you love your wife, why not just fucking divorce her?
;)
 
9:52 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit what about the hypothetical case where it saved as an editable pdf?
 
@Chemistpp Not like a word processor, though. It's a different kind of editing.
 
touche
 
Like I said, I admit I don't have any sort of convincing argument. But I'm sure there is one somewhere.
 
lol
 
I guess I was kind of hoping you guys would say "ahhh ohhhh god yes I know what you mean! I can't explain it either!" and then nobody actually has to...
 
9:52 PM
@Chemistpp I used old versions that couldn't save as pdf until recently, so I would print to pdf instead :P
 
@sehe honestly this makes me laugh slightly that everyone is screaming about it
 
hehe, yeah I used to use one I had to 'print' too.

The verb adobe favors seems to be 'create'
so you 'create' a pdf from word
 
@MooingDuck I miss having a printer that is a PDF driver. Now it's "save as PDF" and I just want to strangle someone.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit how do you feel about "converting" to html? (I'm trying to understand the bounds of your distinction, to better understand the distinction itself)
 
"Create" would work for me.
@MooingDuck A Word doc to HTML? Yeah that's okay. You get kinda the same thing out the other end - an editable text with markup.
 
Ell
9:55 PM
Install a PDF printer driver?
 
I think it's the notion that a PDF is a prepared thing. It's a result. A deliverable. You produce/publish/create/generate/render those. Whereas Word documents and HTML files are almost living entities that are expected to change, be updated, evolve... have a text caret on...
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit now we're greying the lines because you can have a pdf with editable text fields.
 
@Chemistpp that's quite a different thing
 
@Chemistpp Yeah :( But that is not the fundamental point of PDF so I don't think it counts enough to change my mind
 
alright, I'm out of reasonable counter arguments. (before sehe gets me)
 
9:56 PM
Also editing unitary fields is quite different from editing the semantics of the document itself
Why, what's sehe saying?
@Ell I have two installed, and I always use them. :) I just saw someone on FB asking how to "convert" 10 Photoshop files to PDF and I wanted to shoot them.
 
dude is better than microsoft spell check
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit you need to calm down :P
 
@MooingDuck I'm very calm!
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf well, no one was screaming. It was a perfectly measured response. And on target. That many people take offense with her responding in the way she did, yes, I agree, this is surreal and ridiculous
 
I just dislike certain things.
 
9:58 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Yeah, sorry. I don't understand your distinction at all.
 
@Chemistpp wut?
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Crazed gun man with no motive whipes out entire library class hours before final paper is due.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit like "the vector in the STL"?
 
Nothing, I made a typo ;) I fixed it. I was joking because one day you we're jonny on the spot with my typos :)
eer, maybe a spelling mistake and not a typo :o
 
@Chemistpp A word document should repent to PDF
@Chemistpp Johnny* /cc @LightnessRacesinOrbit ^
 
9:59 PM
@MooingDuck oh dear
@Chemistpp :D
@MooingDuck One day I'll figure out how to explain it better. Then you'll see.
 
@sehe Thanks
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit "finalize" to pdf
 
> Again, I don’t mind if colleagues find me attractive. I mind if they imply someone should watch my talks because of it.
that saved her in my eyes
 
I somewhat think Sehe was behind the introduction to the red squiggly line in MS Word.
2
 
> Nope. My point is that when you frame a woman's value by her physical appearance you are re-enforcing harmful gender roles.
this on the other hand is retarded. nobody claimed anything about her value to society. fucking fems.
night all!
 
10:01 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I haven't spotted a single thing she said that wasn't balanced or measured.
 
@sehe Being calm is not the same as being right, though :)
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit and on the same pages, you'll find men being objectified. Feminism = sexist females in many cases
 
@Chemistpp I most certainly wasn't. It's the first thing I (try to) globally disable.
 
@Chemistpp Yes.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit huh. Are you worrying I'd think so?
 
10:02 PM
I mean, comments like these piss me the fuck off:
> Also, check your privilege. Easy for a white male to say that we shouldn't care about gender.
 
@sehe Hahaha that's probably why you're good at seeing them then. I don't use spell check either but I do leave the red lines on, even though they annoy the piss out of me
 
I'm a white male. Who the fuck are you to tell me I can't say certain things?
@sehe No
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Shut up, white male
 
> women are told from birth their value stems from beauty. Men are told their value stems from skills, success, wealth, etc.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Don't forget that you're also aged 18-49.
 
10:03 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit ... yeah. That's not constructive. Certainly doesn't "piss me off" though, in isolation. Just... not constructive
 
This Noah Slater is, effectively, a hypocrite. Gender need not have anything to do with anything but the activists keep bringing it up.
 
Ell
Gah! Fuck England! Alan Turing was supposed to be on the £10 note, not fucking Jane Austen!
 
@sehe Well it's explicitly offensive to the perceived "majority" to suggest that they should be silenced for being the perceived "majority"
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm glad you bring it up. And you're not calm. Because otherwise I might mistakenly think you're right
 
I didn't choose to not be a black gay single woman with three arms
 
10:04 PM
@Lightness Also feminism and AA support the same problem they are trying to fix; selecting someone based on gender/race

I'm a annoyed because I"m a field that is 75% white men
 
@sehe Yes, I'm calm... I wonder why you think I'm not? If you have some webcam outside my window then it's pointed at the wrong house...!
 
I have to be magnitudes better to be considered
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Don't forget the right to bear three arms is constitutional in the US
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I'm sensitive.
 
Don't mistake typing fast for not being calm
Also I'm in a hurry because it's bed time
@Chemistpp Most fields are at least 75% grass
 
This style. Tell me what to think.
Now.
 
10:05 PM
Quick, let's debate a lot in a short time because I'm in a hurry
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit not in India
@kbok you're not in a hurry.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Wokay. I get that excuse. I should urge you, but I know it won't change things. It wouldn't work for me either..
 
@Chemistpp But yes indeed. Most efforts to stamp out prejudice are inherently prejudicial. See, for example, "targets" or "quotas" in hiring people. We need 50% blacks, so if we have 8 white guys and 7 black guys on our team, then a white guy and a black guy who are equally qualified apply for the 16th position, who do you think is going to get the job? And it's only because of their fucking skin colour. Society is full of cycles, though, so it can't really be helped.
 
Okay, so changing your cursors seems to be the crusades with the win32 api
 
"Quick, let's debate in a flurry".
There. Made it shorter and more efficient already!
 
10:07 PM
@kbok That's how it works!!1
 
@kbok meh, I recall it was pretty easy
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Spot on
 
also because true diversity is measured by skin color and whether or not we have something hanging between our legs.
 
@kbok I made vector sfinae to work for contiguous memory sequences today
 
10:08 PM
@Chemistpp So paint and security pins
 
@sehe It's really just a really bad program. Someone found a flaw in an algorithm for one particular input, and fixed it but forgot to give a flying fuck about how it would affect some other input. And it actually just moved the bug to that other case.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit OTOH, if past prejudice has screwed up modern equality, then we must be temporarily unbalanced the other way to get it back to "fair".
 
You have to load your file to get a wicbitmap and use a converter to get a hbitmap then fill a iconinfo structure and call createicon and then you can create a cursor from the icon to get a standard cursor handle that you can use in the cursor api
 
Society is run by shitty programmers. There, I said it...
@MooingDuck We'll always overshoot.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit most likely, yes
 
10:09 PM
Too many people in the world, is the cause of this problem. As usual.
anyway BAI!! xxx
 
Sleepwell
 
shit, time to go run. Being chubby is a PITA.
 
@StackedCrooked Like a baus. Also, to lecturerly with the glasses.
I thought: he lives with the mantra "Don't live with broken windows". Inexplicably, he proceeds to use Powerpoint...
 
So, what happened to the rugby simulation guy? Did he got the performance edge he was seeking
 
@kbok huh?
 
10:14 PM
Yesterday a guy wanted to know if he should use GL, D3D or D2D for his "rugby manager" game because he wants top-class performance
 
lol
rugby manager sounds like a 2D game.
 
Those are essentially spreadsheets
 
lol. Lea Verou calls twiteratus out on sexism. Then proceeds to slide #n in presentation:
 
she is so hypocrite
 
Damn, her jokes got panned
I didn't hear a laugh
 
10:19 PM
@kbok nope
 
If she understands regex a lot, she's got to be genius in my book. That stuff hurts my brain if it's beyond simple.
 
regexes are not complex, it's just that the syntax is horrible
 
@Chemistpp she was just nervous as far as I can tell. Also, the audience was working along sending in regexes for the challenges.
Finally, the talk is about Regex. really, nothing funny about it.
 
Don't forget encores. Huh? Oh, anchors.
 
@Chemistpp "it it's beyond simple" is the operative thing there. The rest appears to be to be more irrelevant than most people realize
 
10:21 PM
@sehe lol, I was only talking about the first joke is all.
 
@Chemistpp Ah. "ASCII Puke" -:)
 
yeah, I laughed
no one else did
lol
because that's how I feel
 
destractive backtracking huh?
:D
It's easy to criticize :)
 
@StackedCrooked I do it all the time
 
@sehe Well, I can't remember the match I was trying to perform now. I was working on an auto indent feature for a scripting program I use in lua. I got it to work eventually but it was sloppy
I'm certain it could have been an easier match if I actually understood regex
 
10:25 PM
@Chemistpp regex are not useful for that kind of thing
 
@kbok not strict regexen, anyway
@kbok Also, you don't use vim
 
@kbok maybe that's what it was. I'm pretty objective and usually fault myself before saying it's not possible.
 
And she uses µTorrent as her torrent client.
 
@StackedCrooked Which do you use?
 
10:28 PM
@sehe what?
 
@StackedCrooked Yeah, it was the second voted comment. Rather painful
@kbok All vim syntax highlighting crucially hinges on regex matching (plus a modicum of pair-wise matching)
 
@Chemistpp Regex can't parse, which is what would be required.
 
@Chemistpp µTorrent, also on mac.
 
@sehe syntax highlighting != auto indent
 
@DeadMG I wasn't using it to parse, I was using it to identify keywords.
 
10:29 PM
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Q: How to covert IWICBitmapSource to HBITMAP?

AndrewIt's easy to produce IWICBitmap from HBITMAP with CreateBitmapFromHBITMAP factory method. But how to get simple GDI bitmap from IWICBitmapSource?

The answer sucks
 
@Chemistpp That's not auto indent.
 
@sehe She's seems knowledgeable.
 
@DeadMG It was only part of the function
 
@StackedCrooked /care it's regexen I'm not watching that :)
@kbok true. It's also not unrelated. Anyways
 
I'll write a real answer tomorrow, it's too late now
 
10:31 PM
@StackedCrooked In fairness, we only have proof that she (a) has a torrent file with a certain suggestive name (b) the file shows up with an icon suggesting µTorrent is installed. Kinda hard to "glee"n anything else from that screen :/
 
Glee is just a comedy TV series afaik.
Never seen it, but I Googled it.
 
yay. I made it fit:
@Scott__Meyers live-fixing his slide #likeaboss. "Don't live with broken windows" #yay (plot twist: uses Powerpoint) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5swP3dr190&t=13m12s
@StackedCrooked I sometimes reluctantly heard it in the other room :)
 
@sehe you = scott meyers? .....
no.. yes ... idk
chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/… nah she was arguing with people on her twitter - not screaming but lots of arguing and people started retweeting random githubs with comments like that
 
yesterday, by sehe
Why don't you start getting into the habit of thinking before you speak yap?
 
@sehe i have no way to know if you're scott myers or not; it's the same picture; doesn't matter if i think or not in this case
 
10:39 PM
@EiyrioüvonKauyf Think again. You're really blundering with common sense quite badly here.
 
She's an INTP.
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf dude
 
. that was stupid it was a tweet; why can i not click............ orz. haven't had coffee yet
 
:)
 
more like 3^n
 
10:40 PM
It's ok.
 
so in general is the slowest part of a web app its database? -> from an SO question. they said twitter used ruby for front end and it's only real bottleneck was its database transactions
 
was that before or after they had to rewrite in Java because Ruby was too slow/
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf the database is pretty much the only part that has to touch the disk, so commonly that would be the slowest (not counting the network which is kind of outside the app's control)
@EiyrioüvonKauyf Twitter no longer uses Ruby. Guess why ;)
 
I see; what about billions of hits (hypothetically) every few seconds - can a usual app still handle all of that?
 
however, web apps tend to scale fairly well. Using a slow scripting language? Just buy more servers
@EiyrioüvonKauyf what is an "usual app"? Most can't. The ones that can have had serious effort invested into scalability
 
10:45 PM
@jalf hmm so using a generic library e.g. django; it is possible to still scale - like is this a baked in feature like sharding is? what is the usual hits per second that you get per server?
 
there's nothing "usual" about that at all.
it's website spefici
kinda like saying "How long does your application take to run"
 
how do you scale a website?
 
I don't.
 
@EiyrioüvonKauyf spread incoming request out among multiple servers
 
like the work that the request does...? can you use a switch to spread out the requests?
 
10:49 PM
@EiyrioüvonKauyf You could use a server which does no other work than to distribute incoming requests among the "real" web servers. You can use some dns trickery to make clients connect to a randomly picked IP
 
interesting
 
Ell
Twitter fucked up :3
Only a bad workman blames his tools
 
good workmen are honest about them.
 
I'm pretty sure a workman stuck with broken tools would blame them too :p
 
could I code Wide with my bare hands? no
 
10:54 PM
ITT Puppy wears gloves when touching Wide code
Damn. 20s latency. I'm getting slow.
 
Ell
Bad workmen don't try to duct take bespoke tools then use them
 
Serious troll question detected
 
Ell
Only a bad workman would choicibly use Java
 
It uses brain and taste.
Oh you weren't referring to the binbot
@EiyrioüvonKauyf Chop chop. Go ask on skeptics, programmers, the PHP, Cabbage or Python rooms. Off you go, friendly troll
 
*friendly bridge troll; i charge a tax too. things are getting expensive now days
 
10:59 PM
it's a tall bridge, anyways
 

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