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9:01 PM
@JerryCoffin I am fairly sure you are right here. IIRC it is the same as what the tiny little ipod uses, like a half inch wide
 
@Aboutblank I think they still use Firewire in places, but I doubt this is it. The other end that connects to the little power brick uses a normal USB-A connector, and I'd put good odds that it's really USB throughout.
 
in Game Development on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 27 secs ago, by Alex M.
const hi const guys& const how const are const you const
 
hi, i'm mutable.
 
Hi, I'm trying too hard to be funny
 
9:08 PM
@CatPlusPlus hello volatile cat
 
@CatPlusPlus Ah, you're my favorite party pooper.
 
user142019
Man.
 
user142019
Why are email addresses so damn complicated. :v
 
user142019
They can even contain fucking comments.
 
Ell
wat :P
That isn't true is it?
 
user142019
9:10 PM
@Ell It is.
 
@rightfold letz post dis on a spam site
 
user142019
Let's not.
 
Ell
ping is too high
 
Yes emails can have comments
 
@rightfold toplel I already saw it
 
user142019
9:11 PM
"very.(),:;<>[]\".VERY.\"very@\\ \"very\".unusual"@strange.example.com is also valid.
 
It's part of the reason why you shouldn't ~~validate~~ them with regexes
 
user142019
I'm writing an EmailAddress data type that has invariants.
 
user142019
And fuck regexen.
 
@rightfold You are aware that owners can still see it even if it's deleted, right?
 
user142019
@EtiennedeMartel But not spam bots.
 
9:12 PM
@rightfold That's just how they're used in RFC2822 - that's not really a fault of email addresses as such.
 
You paranoid people afraid of saying your email in the open
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: Impossible, Mr Карабасов! [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [no-helpdesk]
 
@rightfold FWIW, I don't see a big difference between ohlook@notvalid@valid.com and haha.sucker@nothisdomaindoesnotexistfuckyou.xxx
Neither can receive mail, even though the second is "valid".
 
user142019
Usually I just use ^.+@.+$ and don't care about users who are too moronic to enter their email address.
 
@rightfold The invariant is "has @"
 
@CatPlusPlus you can validate they are not stupid :P
 
user142019
9:17 PM
The next RFC that defines email addresses will make them Turing complete.
 
@thecoshman No
 
@rightfold Can you implement an email address from an email address?
frankatgmail.com@gmail.com
 
@rightfold You can verify the validity of an email address with regex, but such a regex was posted, and it's like, 20k characters long
 
You can also do it by sending mail to it and getting a reply.
 
It also requires PCRE because it's not really a regex
 
9:19 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes how long you willing to wait :P
 
Email validation is inherently asynchronous
 
@thecoshman Erm, a few minutes?
Websites do this all the time.
 
user142019
I hate it when it takes longer than INSTANTLY for such an email to pop up in my inbox.
 
"We have sent you an e-mail. Please check your inbox and click on the link. Or check your spam folder"
 
user142019
But yeah think I'm gonna do it that way.
 
9:21 PM
oh great, now there is blood in my noise slime
 
user142019
Let's find a decent Haskell library for sending emails for as far as libraries for sending emails can be decent at all.
 
@thecoshman WTF is it with you and slime.
 
@ScottW nah, just part of my week of 'not that ill but still ill'
@R.MartinhoFernandes it's describes stuff well
@ScottW I see...
is std::this_thread::sleep_for still perfect usable when only single threaded?
 
It's not usable.
 
Xeo
lol
 
9:29 PM
WTF do you want to do nothing for.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol, what?
@R.MartinhoFernandes just want to see my window there for a bit, too lazy to sort out smart things right now
 
Like running an event loop?
 
@CatPlusPlus well, more like setting up the event system :P
well, that's me to lazy to do any more stuff to night :P
 
Do message loops use sleep? I've always wondered about that.
 
@StackedCrooked @sbi's code is making use of it. We split a handle type into a POD base with the data and a derived type with all the value semantics of the handle (copies are costly). When we store that into a container we slice off the non-POD part. Then the container gets copied around (no moves) and none of those costly copies happen since what is left is a POD. Eventually it is time to get the things out of the container, and that's when it reattaches the POD part into a full handle.
 
9:33 PM
@StackedCrooked generally they shouldn't do, why would they?
 
@thecoshman avoiding 100% CPU usage?
 
Why would you want to do that?
"Hey! Don't run so fast!"
 
@StackedCrooked well, for games that is not much of a concern
 
user142019
Data.IxSet is so incredibly ugly.
 
Idle GUI applications should consume all CPU?
 
9:35 PM
sure you want to avoid rendering higher FPS then required, but that can be done via other ways
@StackedCrooked oh, for something like a 'normal' GUI app, no
 
Event loops block on OS call to get events
 
user142019
@StackedCrooked polling function is blocking.
 
So does the polling function do a sleep inside then? :)
 
If you were watching a coding live-stream (of an early alpha indie game, for example) and you saw one of the programmers copy and paste an entire code file multiple times, then change a few variable names, what would you think?
 
lol
^ pretty much that.
 
9:36 PM
The code file is many hundreds of lines long, for your information. And it's C++11.
 
@StackedCrooked It can suspend the thread until event arrives
 
I'd think "they better damn well know what they're doing"
 
So yes it's sleep but not time-based
 
@ShotgunNinja I'd think "they have no clue what they are doing".
 
I wouldn't watch a coding live-stream why the fuck would you watch a coding live-stream
It's probably the most boring thing imaginable
 
9:37 PM
For money.
 
@CatPlusPlus hipsters
 
How would the world change with standardized compilers and linkers?
 
@CatPlusPlus the gamedev ones are kind of cool to poke your head in on every now and again.
 
@CatPlusPlus To laugh at the idiot C&Ping code!
 
@CatPlusPlus: I agree, but my wife pulled it up and said "shouldn't they not be copy & pasting code?"
 
9:37 PM
I would watch it for $10 per minute.
 
Especially when they implement a 3d rasterizer with depth shading and backface culling in a couple of hours.
 
@typ1232 Rocks fall everyone dies
 
user142019
@StackedCrooked I'd pretend I watch it.
 
Who implements 3D rasterizers
 
9:38 PM
that was my plan
 
@CatPlusPlus Notch did for his Ludum Dare game a while back. I was in for that one.
 
Why would you do that
For anything
It's like 30 years too late for software rendering
 
@CatPlusPlus nVidia, AMD/ATI, and a lot of idiots.
3
 
hehe
(I like the distinct lack of explicit mention of Intel)
 
I like how idiots include Intel
 
9:40 PM
@CatPlusPlus As part of the Ludum Dare, you're not allowed to use third-party libraries. That included LWJGL and JOGL.
Which, by the way, Notch was using Java, and he wanted to make a "retro Doom-style game".
 
He changed his live-stream title to "CPP - Copy & Paste Programming"
 
Dunno why he was using Java, but I'm not one to question others' preferences.
 
@ShotgunNinja Oh god what a shitty contest
 
@CatPlusPlus You're telling me.
 
9:41 PM
Because Java is probably the only thing he knows to that extent
 
Oh, and it's only 24 hours.
 
@ShotgunNinja Notch has some misguided idea that Java is good
 
That's why it makes sense to reinvent a fucking rasterizer
 
@thecoshman I'm aware.
 
Perfect logic
Just perfect
And people do this voluntarily ahaha
 
9:42 PM
@CatPlusPlus dude, are you like, upset about this? Why does it matter that much to you?
 
I'm not upset, I'm laughing at it
 
Okay, just making sure. You were getting a little scary there for a second.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not all of Intel is idiots (by any means), but their graphics? Ick!
 
I know it's not something I would (or could) do, but still.
 
Oh god the sadness...
 
9:44 PM
Like, I hope I didn't hit on a sore spot, @Cat...
 
What?
 
Never mind.
 
@thecoshman Java being good isn't nearly well-formed enough to qualify as a real "idea" -- more like a "notion" or a "fancy".
 
Ell
What is so bad about ludum dare?
 
@Ell My thoughts exactly.
 
9:47 PM
It's hilarious
 
@Ell it seems specifically tailored to home in on the worst possible themes every time
 
It also continues proud tradition of programming contests being completely detached from reality
 
@CatPlusPlus How so? Make a game in a couple of days? I really don't see a problem with that (especially because it isn't in any way a programming contest, and nor does it aspire to have anything to do with "the real world". it's about doing something fun, just for the sake of... fun)
It's just a shame they always end up with such terrible themes to base it on
 
10 mins ago, by Shotgun Ninja
@CatPlusPlus As part of the Ludum Dare, you're not allowed to use third-party libraries. That included LWJGL and JOGL.
 
Well, a whole bunch of contests in many domains are completely detached from reality.
 
9:52 PM
Doesn't sound very fun to me
 
@CatPlusPlus You're allowed to use frameworks like Unity though.
 
That makes even more sense!
 
It's got some weird rules.
 
If it was based on reality it would essentially be your day job. Where's the fun in that?
 
The fun is in money
 
9:53 PM
Not everyone is motivated by money.
 
I.e. you suffer through this programming crap and then get to have fun
Not everyone is smart either :v:
 
Designing games can be fun. Coding them in 24h is another thing...
 
> All publicly available libraries and middleware are allowed.
 
I just remember doing something like that for a computer olympiad when I was a kid, and it was a ton of fun.
 
Cat is detached from the reality of contests.
 
9:55 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes and the reality of fun :)
 
Ell
I'm not good enough at coding to write game in 24h
 
and the fun of reality, perhaps
 
@CatPlusPlus Oh dear.
@Ell With that attitude, of course you aren't.
 
Uni and work drained all fun from programming for me
It's just neverending stream of pain
 
@CatPlusPlus I'm starting to think your attitude might be the real problem.
 
9:59 PM
have you considered becoming a plumber or something instead?
 

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