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7:00 PM
@TonyTheLion Two reasons: one, he's funny, and two, you're easy.
 
:)
<3
so that bug I was fixing over the weekend, my experienced coworker took over, and he's been at it for quite a few hours already, seems it wasn't that easy after all.
 
@TonyTheLion Always a bit of comfort. Question is, who wrote that code (and what you can you to prevent it happening again humiliate him?)
 
@JerryCoffin I think he wrote most of the original code
 
NuGet for C++ sounds cool.
 
So easy to troll on FB.
If I said in here "C++ sucks", that ain't even trolling, cause its true.
 
7:09 PM
I never understood the appeal of trolling.
Counter trolling makes sense, because at least it fits with my twisted form of justice.
 
@EtiennedeMartel ...but it's almost never really effective.
 
Me neither, but it has a hilarity factor that, on occasion, makes it worth it.
 
What I really like, however, is getting BMed in an online game.
 
BMed?
 
BM == bad manners
 
7:10 PM
bad mannered
 
I always think "keep screaming, kid, I don't give two fucks".
 
i.e., he beat some other guy, and then the other guy shouted at him because he was unhappy that he lost
 
Or, some guy does something incredibly stupid, gets killed, and blames me for not saving his life.
 
hahahah
 
7:11 PM
@EtiennedeMartel it sucks if your losing and the other team bms you for losing though :(
 
Yesterday, I said something like "Calm down, Leeroy". The guy went ballistic.
 
@EtiennedeMartel You're a funny guy, cause on the one hand you couldn't care less, and on the other hand, you do.
 
man, I still remember the Leeroy video
nobody could seriously run UBRS for a week.
not that 15-man UBRS wasn't ridiculously easy
 
oh Java
 
what has Java got to do with Leeroy?
 
7:13 PM
I puke a little bit in my mouth every time I hear Java.
@DeadMG :/
 
oic
and by "oic" I mean "I completely don't understand what you just said"
 
Note to self: Don't talk when you have no idea what the conversation is
 
Xeo
lol
 
@DeadMG I thought Jenkins referred to the Java thing (build system?) called Jenkins
 
no
it's the Leeroy Jenkins WoW video
 
Xeo
7:16 PM
@TonyTheLion Jenkins is nice.
 
@DeadMG watching it now
okay now I have more context
@Xeo I've never used it
I think Java guys at work use it
 
Xeo
We're using it at work
I think @Stacked also does
 
I should play WoW
 
7:27 PM
this has been posted before
 
and a few other similars
 
Jenkins is rather good.
oh come on where's the hearty welcome
I am studying.
It makes me feel pain.
 
Java?
 
not really, Numerical Methods
 
7:29 PM
hmmmm
 
(yes I failed that already)
 
sounds interesting
 
it's not that bad, but I don't really dig maths
except mathematical analysis
 
in Coliru how do I copy warning/errors?
 
Sexagesimal (base 60) is a numeral system with sixty as its base. It originated with the ancient Sumerians in the 3rd millennium BC, it was passed down to the ancient Babylonians, and it is still used — in a modified form — for measuring time, angles, and geographic coordinates. The number 60, a highly composite number, has twelve factors, namely {{nowrap|{ 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 12, 15, 20, 30, 60 }}} of which two, three, and five are prime numbers. With so many factors, many fractions involving sexagesimal numbers are simplified. For example, one hour can be divided evenly into sections ...
 
7:30 PM
Time for some Game of Thrones...
 
oh nm. just hold left click
 
@Aboutblank ...
 
@Jeffrey I heard the last episode is going to blow your mind.
I can't say myself, though, haven't seen it.
 
¬_¬ const correctness is a twat sometimes
 
twats
 
7:39 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Java, 'nough said
 
Xeo
@thecoshman But it's a good twat
 
@TonyTheLion Vaginas.
 
¬_¬ and now link errors again, though at least these are easier t understand then template errors
 
fuck this shit
tomorrow's exam is at 7:45am
come fucking on
I will be even more braindead than usually
 
@EtiennedeMartel Oh I heard too, but I'm 1 season and half behind :)
 
7:45 PM
foo.cpp and bar.cpp can both include util.hright? Even directly or indirectly... that should not cause problems with the one definition rule, will it?
 
does util.h have util.cpp
 
@thecoshman Unless you've done something horrible like defining a non-inline function in util.h, it's fine.
But yes, the main reason we create headers at all is to include them in more than one source file.
 
no, it's just a header only file to provide common structs, typedefs etc.
 
Should be inline
 
@EtiennedeMartel Pussies
 
7:51 PM
@Rapptz what do you mean?
 
The functions.
 
there are no functions
 
Ah then carry on.
 
oh wait, no... I do have a function there...
but I think I can move where that function is...
and job done :D
 
I think this is an objective merit on why the C++ compilation model sucks.
 
7:55 PM
can we talk something else than C++?
 
@TonyTheLion lol
 
Why?
 
else I'mma go watch Breaking Bad
@Rapptz Cause I have to deal with C++ every day
 
I should play some vidya.
 
@TonyTheLion you are becoming more like the cat everyday :P
 
7:56 PM
@thecoshman I'm of the Feline family
@thecoshman Yes, everything is terrible
 
Fuck you, Scroll Lock.
 
Ell
Hi guise
@TonyTheLion yes please!
 
@Ell What do you want to talk about?
 
Ell
What do you think of a 100% honesty policy between friends?
My friends are being gay.
 
Good on paper, not so much in practice.
 
Ell
8:00 PM
Well. I've been caugh acting as a double agent
and accidentally turned one of my friends on the other, because they have a 100% honesty policy
 
@Ell I try to maintain that policy with my closest friends
 
Ell
I think honesty is overrated
BUt then that's just me and I'm bad
 
@Ell what? You turned one of your friends against his friend? Don't do that.
 
I consider 100% honesty a bit too much -- that doesn't mean you should lie all the time though.
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion I turned friend A against friend B by accident
 
8:01 PM
oh
 
Ell
@Rapptz I agree
 
I mean stuff like white lies that can make a person feel better or something.
 
Ell
100% honesty means you tell things to friend A which friend B didn't want friend A to know
 
That's okay.
Or some secrets with other people, et al.
 
Ell
And now I, friend C, will never be trusted by friend B again because I told friend A friend B's thing
 
8:03 PM
wait
My interpretation of that statement may have been wrong
 
¬_¬ sounds like everyone should have just kept the big fat mouths shut
 
Ell
Yeah. I try
then get told off for not being honest
I think I'm going to ditch friend A
 
Sounds like high school teen drama.
 
Ell
It is
 
Fun.
 
8:06 PM
¬_¬ it may have taken fucking ages to do, and I may have had to reduce myself to only using openGL 1.4 but I finally think I have bent X to my will
 
I get an email from a recruiter: "Hi, you'll be a perfect fit for this Senior Dev role" I don't they read my CV, I haven't got nearly enough experience to be a Snr Dev
fools
 
@thecoshman Why?
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion take it anyway?
 
@Rapptz why what?
 
Ell
You might be able to cope with it
 
@thecoshman Why OpenGL 1.4..?
 
@TonyTheLion it's a trap!
 
yes, it is a trap
 
@Rapptz well, it seems my GPU despite in theory supporting 3.3 does not have the driver on linux for anything more then 1.4
 
Ell
Also what is with girls telling guys they are on the pill when they are not?
 
8:08 PM
that said, it may be because I was doing things wrong in the first place
 
teenagers, 'nuff said
 
Hormonal medicine.
 
Ell
But that's a great way to mess up someone's life
I guess the male shares half of the blame
 
@Ell lying
 
8:10 PM
lol
 
Where is my lover, @ScottW?
@Tuntuni ahahahaha best gif, evar
 
@TonyTheLion :3
the best thing is that it's
> true story
 
YEAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
 
AWWWWWWYEAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH
 
8:12 PM
well that was time well spent :D
 
@Ell My opinion: don't lie, but sometimes it's best to just shut up, or say something like: "I think you need to talk directly to A about that."
 
Ell
Yeah I guess
 
@TonyTheLion :D I'm glad you agree. :3
 
8:13 PM
hmm wat do now
let's do lightness next
 
Ell
Oops
 
@TonyTheLion i made one for you too :D
it was my first one
 
@Tuntuni I can't get over the 'C' not being centered on the monocle
 
8:14 PM
@ScottW I just needed to give some love <3
@Tuntuni what? Where???
@ScottW <3 <3 <3
 
@TonyTheLion imgur it is
 
@Tuntuni huh?
 
@TonyTheLion here
@Aboutblank ehh i was focusing more on the eyes. guess it could be done. too late nao though
 
@Tuntuni awww <3 :)
 
@TonyTheLion :D I wanted to throw in a "fucking"
but idk, sorta forgot
 
8:16 PM
hahahah
 
tony the lion
 
Why didn't you use my gravatar though?
 
tony the FUCKING lion
 
FUCKING <3
 
@TonyTheLion was too small. i got cat's pic from his website
and i googled for yours
 
8:16 PM
you can find it
I have a large version of it on my pc
 
awww yeahhhh
oh snap, got an idea for stackercrooked's gif
let's do this
 
@TonyTheLion dat hair. dat look. dat power. dat LIOONNNNNN
 
inorite
I love that picture
 
:D
 
8:20 PM
just like I love @ScottW <3
 
auuwwww
so qt
 
i have a bit of a problem with an operator overload, could somebody take a look at pastebin.com/XnCaCcmy at see what im doing wrong?
 
> public ref
that's not C++
but C++/CLI
 
@TonyTheLion "C++/CLI".Substring(0, 3) == "C++"
 
> CLI
> NO
 
8:21 PM
@bizzehdee Why not ask that on Stack Overflow?
Is it, perhaps, because you thought you would get a faster answer here?
 
thought asking here would be faster, ill just put it on SO
 
@EtiennedeMartel lol
 
@bizzehdee Fucking nailed it.
 
haha, VS2013 announced, really? So much for all those C++11 updates they claimed they were going to add to VS2012
 
@EtiennedeMartel ahahahahahaha
 
8:22 PM
ITT We nail it
@jalf I know right, fuckers
 
@jalf Yup. I'm disappointed too. :C
 
@Tuntuni I'm not
 
@jalf Oh, you were expecting it? haha :D
 
Given their track record, there was never any reason to expect anything more from them
 
8:23 PM
The behaviour is so fucking common...
 
@EtiennedeMartel Look on the bright side. It provides a fresh supply of people to yell at if you need to vent some frustrations
 
@jalf I'm not yelling at them.
 
have they added variadic templates yet?
 
@EtiennedeMartel But you could be! You're letting the opportunity pass you by.
 
I have no problem with beginners coming in and askind questions.
 
8:24 PM
@TonyTheLion Of course not
 
@jalf urgh
depressing
 
I can't blame them for not reading the rules, it's not like the chat's UI allows for a "Hey you! Read that!" popup.
 
@ScottW You're so special.
 
@TonyTheLion I'm really glad I bought a macbook back in 2011. It means most of my hobby coding has migrated to OSX where the native compiler is actually somewhat up to date
 
@jalf maybe I should actually consider that for my next PC
 
8:26 PM
You definitely should
 
@jalf Why yell at noobs when I can yell at Cat and get Luc angry at the same time!
cough
 
ahahahaha
 
@TonyTheLion I quite like it. Of course I've got a Windows VM installed so I can do Windowsy stuff if and when I need to
 
@jalf D'you find that coding on OSX is any worse than Linux or Windows?
 
@jalf right. Interesting to hear from someone who knows a what he's talking about, instead of some Apple fanboy who just says it out of fanboyism
 
8:28 PM
@Jeffrey Well, the keyboard layout is even more painful for coding than typical European PC keyboard layouts
And of course, it depends a lot on how you feel about obj-c, since that's pretty hard to avoid
I think coding on OSX is interesting. Not necessarily better or worse
 
Last time I looked at Obj-C, I died a little
 
@jalf Qt should solve that problem
@TonyTheLion It's not that bad after a bit of study
 
but again, having an up to date compiler and most of the unix command line tools available is quite convenient
 
yea that is true
but then why not just have a linux box with Clang on it
what advantage does OSx have over a Linux box?
 
@TonyTheLion I think it's a kind of fun language. An unholy bastardization of C and Smalltalk, but the smalltalky stuff is cool
 
8:30 PM
@TonyTheLion I could ask the opposite
 
@TonyTheLion Well, it works. Like, smoothly. And applications don't look like shit ;)
Same for font rendering
 
@Jeffrey Linux doesn't cost thousands of dollars
@jalf but singletons
 
@TonyTheLion I think OSX is like $50. Not really a big deal either
 
oh I'm talking about the Macbook too
 
@TonyTheLion You can't write obj-c without doing singletons :p
 
8:32 PM
Singletons kill me inside
 
@TonyTheLion The last OSX costs €17,99
 
@TonyTheLion Well, the hardware is sweet. That was actually the main reason I bought it
 
sup y'all
 
@jalf o'rly
@LuchianGrigore sup biatch :)
 
To be honest, my criteria were pretty simple: a laptop which isn't too big or heavy, with a high res screen, reasonable build quality and battery life and decent performance
 
8:33 PM
right
 
@TonyTheLion You can't compare the Linux OS with an entire laptop...
 
@jalf I would actually like to disagree, most laptop manufactures have caught up to Apple in terms of 'slickness' and you have way more options to choose from.
 
for me the battery and the weight will be the main considerations in my next laptop
 
unfortunately, PC laptop makers had conspired to decide that 1366xwhatever-it-is is plenty high resolution for everyone
 
It has to weigh less than 2kg
 
8:33 PM
all's good
 
@Aboutblank in terms of non-shitty screen resolution too?
 
I don't think the hardware is as big a draw for Apple anymore. Though it does depend on what you want to use it for.
 
ask a fanboy :)
he'll tell you different
 
@jalf I have 1440 x 900(i think) on my 13" Asus and it looks fine to me. you'll have to define what "non-shitty" resolution means to you
 
But yeah, PC laptops definitely have caught up somewhat in terms of hardware. You can actually get PC laptops which actually feel like they were designed as a cohesive unit, rather than off-the-shelf components duct taped together
 
user142019
8:35 PM
GitHub for Windows is so terribad.
 
@rightfold lies.
 
Ell
I think the draw to apple is flashy looking things which entertain you for the first month
 
@Aboutblank that sounds decent, yeah. When I bought my macbook, 99.9% of all PC laptops that size ran 1366x768
 
Ell
A month is too late to bother getting a cheaper laptop
also screen res
 
I think I was able to find two models with higher res, and they cost as much as the macbook, and were deficient in a dozen other ways
 
Ell
8:37 PM
I don't understand how a tablet can cost less than a lone monitor of equal resolution
 
user142019
@TomW no.
 
user142019
It's absolutely awful.
 
I also don't like those proprietary connectors that Apple throws out every iteration. Feels like a cheap money scam to me
 
Another factor in my purchase as just that it'd let me run any OS on it. On OSX you can run Windows and Linux in VM's, but on Linux and Windows, you're can't really run an OSX VM (at least not legally)
@Aboutblank the... ones they've changed once in their entire product history?
 
guise what's the format specifier for int64_t?
 
8:39 PM
I've still got a shelf full of different, incompatible, Thinkpad power bricks. Compared to that, Apple is rock stable and conservative
 
@rightfold unless you just hate Git GUIs as a general principle, or they've introduced a load of bugs since I last looked at it, I don't see what your problem is
 
@LuchianGrigore <<, just like everything else, of course.
 
the UI style is (was when I tried it) great, it's (was when I tried it) fast
can't speak for how intuitive it is
 
@JerryCoffin can't use streams :(
 
and didn't probe deep enough to see whether it has subtle bugs
 
8:41 PM
can I just use ll and cast to long long?
 
well, buggy is a quite reasonable argument for hating it. They do appear to have a fast release cycle though
 
Anyway, for me it was basically (1) a nice laptop with good screen dpi, and (2) access to all three OS'es that won me over. No big religious zeal or anyway, just... if I wanted (1) at the time, my options were severely limited, and (2) is kind of a nice bonus
 
@LuchianGrigore Oh. In that case, you'd normally just treat it as a long long, and use %lld.
 
@jalf no your right, I'm biased against any connector not standard usb
 
8:43 PM
Having fun I see.
:)
 
indeed :D
 
@jalf Apple has done well on the power side, but poorly at some other things (e.g., a number of thoroughly non-standard video connectors, non-standard little additions to their USB connectors, etc.)
 
@Aboutblank sadly, that means a bias against most of the hardware industry :)
 
@JerryCoffin %lld, why not %ll ?
 
@LuchianGrigore Because ll is just a modifier to %d. Can also be applied to others to give (for example) %llx, %llu, etc.
 
8:45 PM
mind=blown
 
@JerryCoffin this is my first Apple machine, so I can't really speak to what they've done previously, but its USB ports appear pretty standard, and its Thunderbolt output also functions as mini displayport. On my laptop at least, I haven't noticed anything atrociously nonstandard
 
cool
thx Jerry, very helpful as usual
 
@LuchianGrigore Those things are actually all defined in inttypes.h
 
@jalf As far as power goes, they may have stuck to the same connectors on some things, but certainly not across the entire like (e.g., my wife has both an iPad and an iPad mini -- with different power connectors).
 
Also don't use printf
 
8:47 PM
@LuchianGrigore Surely.
 
@JamesHolderness well, say I don't have that :D
 
@LuchianGrigore I just meant if you wanted to look them up. I don't have it either, but it's easy enough to find online.
 
user142019
@TomW Try merging branches with it.
 
user142019
It fucks up all the things.
 
@JerryCoffin isn't all newer stuff using the same connector as the mini? I think they just switched from one connector across their entire product line, to another. I coudl be wrong though. I don't have either ipad version
 
8:50 PM
GF has finally conceded to upgrading her Ubuntu now that it warned her it was at end of support... oh the joy, performing 3 rolling upgrades in a row. I will be amazed if shit don't break :P
 
Also, Apple has done plenty of stupid and harmful things. I'm just satisfied with my laptop, that's all ;)
 
@jalf I really don't know -- she doesn't have a "new iPad", so I'm not sure what the current full-sized version uses.
 
user142019
Merge conflict? Oh, just let me tell you I couldn't merge and don't do anything else at all!
 
@jalf I think that's what they did, IMO the new connector is nicer.
 
@jalf thats what it looks like on their site. the current iPad and mini share the same 30-pin connector.
 
8:53 PM
@Aboutblank The one I'm talking about looks like 4 pins if memory serves.
 
@JerryCoffin the flat longish one? old iPods had that kind. its been replaced by the new 30-pin iirc
 
So how did the room topic end up being a comparative study of Apple power connectors?
 
@jalf I think you brought them up first. :-)
@Aboutblank No, this is little, narrow one that I'm quite certain has a lot fewer than 30 pins. I think it's 4, but don't have it handy to check for sure. Actually, I suspect it's a non-standard USB connector.
 
19 mins ago, by Aboutblank
I also don't like those proprietary connectors that Apple throws out every iteration. Feels like a cheap money scam to me
I did not! ;)
 
@jalf Yes and no -- he mentioned connectors in general, but I believe you were the first to mention power connectors in particular.
 
8:59 PM
@JerryCoffin firewire? don't know if Apple still supports that...
 
user142019
Of course they do.
 

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