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5:00 AM
My grandma is really sick. They suspect she would not ast for long
but she's 101 yo
 
Hmm is there a difference between computer science and computer engineering?
 
Yes.
 
@ThePhD how so
 
One you'll be more acquainted with building computers and the electrical and mechanical implications thereof.
The other is more related to algorithms and how to make a computer execute those algorithms to produce the desired effect / reach certain solutions.
 
CS is math.
 
5:05 AM
so computer engineering is more mixed with electrical engineering?
 
@moonbeamer2234 As much as there's a difference between computer science and "real-world" programming.
 
Basically.
 
So if I wanted to do video game programming which would be better?
I want to learn about the hardware aspects of things though. I would like to be able to look at processor specs and write codes out of those
 
Seriously
 
lolwat
 
5:06 AM
@CatPlusPlus what
 
@moonbeamer2234 Forget about it, nobody writes assembly.
 
@moonbeamer2234 Just read stuff.
 
Unless you're a compiler vendor.
And for some reason not use LLVM.
Or OS developer I guess.
 
@moonbeamer2234 Buy a Commodore 64.
 
@CatPlusPlus Ive been thinking about writing a library for the ps2 because the specs are available for the processor. I don't have any clue where to start though lol its more of a pipe dream.
 
5:08 AM
@CatPlusPlus Or device driver developer. Or working on tiny embedded systems. Or writing inline assembly for optimization. Or doing reverse engineering. Or...
 
Basically, if you're crazy.
 
@JerryCoffin ...pissing off code reviewers.
 
@MarkGarcia I guess it'd work for that too.
 
@CatPlusPlus hows that crazy? xD
Someone had to write the dev libraries for ps2 xP
 
And why ps2?
 
5:10 AM
@moonbeamer2234 Extremely low productivity (as a rule).
 
^I don't get what you mean lol
youre gonna have to spell it out for me I guess xD
 
@moonbeamer2234 Try writing a hello world or what is your name program in assembly.
 
i HAVE
 
@moonbeamer2234 You can usually get the same job done a lot more quickly in most other languages.
 
Low-level programming is pain in the ass that always takes long time and only results in bugs.
 
5:12 AM
I meant write the lib in c++ lolz.
 
No.
Programming is terrible enough without going low-level.
 
still wouldn't work cat?
 
I mean, a computer? My model doesn't have a computer. :smug:
 
lol but buying a pre created dev kit is too mainstream e__e
@CatPlusPlus i feel like you don't like programming very much lol
 
@jaminator Why would you think Lounge<C++> would be a good place to ask about RESTful web services?
 
5:14 AM
btw I don't know if you've noticed, but PS2 is a dead platform.
 
just as a fun side project
 
@moonbeamer2234 Higher the level, the happier I am.
 
and no its not, as long as Kingdom Hearts I, and 2 are on the PS2 it will never be dead.
@CatPlusPlus why not just java than
 
You're not very funny.
 
Because Java is shit. I am becoming a c sharppe developer.
 
5:16 AM
1 message moved to recycle bin
 
i wasn't...trying to be funny....
 
Is that a flag request or is binning good enough?
damn, I'm slow. nvm
 
Haskell still wins.
 
I choose to interpret it as an attempt at humor. The alternative is too sad.
 
Youre always talking about Haskell Cat. Ive never even heard of Haskel
would writing a lib for a game system really be that bad? lmao
 
5:18 AM
Do what you want.
 
@moonbeamer2234 Java isn't particularly high level. It's about the same as early C++, but lacks things like templates that allow you to raise the level of C++ substantially.
 
I'm hoping I'll have some free time to delve into Coq/Agda FOR REAL this summer.
 
@CatPlusPlus You like dependent typing? :<
 
Rofl Jerry, first time to see you binning a message, especially with the presence of two other garbage collectors bin masters' presence
 
I don't know yet!
 
5:18 AM
@JerryCoffin you cant really go beyond the software level with java can you
 
@moonbeamer2234 You don't seem to have finished the sentence. With Java I can what? Vomit?
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Yeah. "Garbage collectors" isn't the thing here. They do RAII.
 
You can't really go beyond the software level with java, or can you?
 
Maybe I'll write some things in F#. But OCaml ugh.
 
@MarkGarcia message binning here seems JAVAish - garbage collection @ random times.
 
5:20 AM
@CatPlusPlus Structural typing yo!
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Not just random -- at crucial times.
 
It could be good complement to C#. I'm not really seeing any other ~killer features~.
 
@moonbeamer2234 Java provides a lot of tools for grouping code into hierarchies, but nearly its only real tool for building higher level functionality is roughly the same as C: the function.
 
Oh, DSLs. Maybe.
 
I cant help it yall be hatin in Java. Yall just mad cause we "javaers" understand OOP better than anyone else an don't have to overcomplicated everything with "Pointers" and "Low level accessers" and "Templates"
Jerry i meant lower level. It doesn't have any lower level functionality
 
5:22 AM
6 mins ago, by Luc Danton
You're not very funny.
 
You're very not funny.
 
@moonbeamer2234 And we hate OOP.
Especially inheritance.
 
@moonbeamer2234 now you're kidding. right?
 
No, he's trolling.
 
yeah im kidding
 
5:23 AM
Or trying to, anyway.
 
@moonbeamer2234 I don't hate Java fans. I pity them.
 
was being sarcastic :P
 
That ironic lack of apostrophes.
 
@moonbeamer2234 Leave out "lower level" and that'll be more accurate. :-)
 
@CatPlusPlus why are you still up anyways :p
 
5:24 AM
Because I have a terrible judgement for this kind of things.
> Among others, F# is used for quantitative finance programming,[21] energy trading and portfolio optimization,[22] machine learning,[23] business intelligence[24] and social gaming on Facebook.[25]
Spot the odd one out. :lol:
 
"portfolio optimization" ...as in, you put F# on your portfolio, and that optimizes it?
 
@melak47 lol
 
OOP isn't really required for anything is it?
 
you can't poop without oop
 
I don't poop.
 
5:27 AM
Just got an email from my Japanese buddy with a screenie showing that he got 500 billion digits of Pi in 50 hours on my newest version... hmm...
 
@moonbeamer2234 Yes. And "required" is too... strict a word.
 
I p.
needed* @MarkGracia
 
@Mysticial 500 billion?
how many do you have
 
@Mysticial How much change is that from previous version?
 
isn't very interesting right now.
 
5:28 AM
@JerryCoffin He says about 30% faster in a direct comparison with the previous version. But he also has better hardware now. So overall it's more than that.
IOW, more than 30% faster since the last time he ran that size a few years ago.
holy shit...
 
@Mysticial That's a fairly substantial change for a program that's already reasonably mature.
 
looking at my charts, the last time he ran it was back in like 2010. And it took 172 hours.
Better hardware, better programming: 172 hours -> 50 hours
 
Did you learn C?
 
@CatPlusPlus me?
 
Well, who doesn't know C around here.
Also you ruined the joke.
 
5:31 AM
The program was always written in C. Although the newest version has a bit of C++11 to deal with all the strings and serialization/deserialization + unicode shit.
 
well guys im gonna go read some source code porn. cya tomorrow
 
@CatPlusPlus No I didn't. Having written a program in C doesn't mean I actually know C.
 
RUINED.
 
Don't think you can.
 
5:34 AM
Yeah I don't think so either
 
@LucDanton Could I add it to the collection?
 
I think that makes sense, yeah. Don't have to ask me though :p
 
@MarkGarcia Sure you can (a definition is also a declaration). coliru.stacked-crooked.com/…
 
@JerryCoffin As a sidenote that can be spelled as decltype(auto).
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah. But what if I put it before main()? Or in circumstances where the positions where the functions are defined are tangled?
 
5:37 AM
@JohannesSchaub-litb Can't believe I didn't think of it as the time, but: MyClass() = 0;!
 
@LucDanton Yeah -- another of those new things my ancient mind still hasn't gotten use to yet.
@MarkGarcia The short answer is that by the point that you've called the function, you need to have supplied the compiler with enough information to figure out what the return type is supposed to be, or it won't compile.
 
Ah... found that old email:


March 30, 2010
2 x Xeon W5590 @ 3.33 GHz (8 cores, 16 threads)
144 GB ram
16 x 2TB HD

Version 0.5.2
172.396 hours
84.1336 % CPU efficiency.


Today:
2 x E5-2690W @ 2.9 GHz (16 cores, 32 threads)
128 GB ram
16 x 3TB HD

Version v0.6.2
50.418 hours
69.4802% efficiency
CPU efficiency actually went down. That's probably because the newer processor is that much faster that it's more bottlenecked by disk access.
 
@Mysticial I was just looking at that and wondering. Also interesting that he's currently using less RAM.
 
@MarkGarcia FTFY
 
I'll try to have an example involving headers.
 
5:43 AM
@JerryCoffin The old configuration was 18 x 8GB. I think the new one is 16 x 8GB.
The old one was the triple-channel Nehalems with 3 sticks per channel and 2 sockets. So 3 DIMMS x 3 channels x 2 sockets = 18 DIMMS total.
 
@QWR no you don't.
 
@StackedCrooked Is there some way of including a header/source file I previously created in Coliru?
 
@QWR ...and you think this relates to Lounge<C++> how?
 
@JerryCoffin we are HAcK3rZ
 
@QWR Give me the equipment for free and I'll willingfuly do it.
 
5:46 AM
@MarkGarcia What does it take to unwillingfully do it?
 
@LucDanton Point a gun to my head.
:P
 
@Jeffrey Oh. Right. Silly me.
 
lol
 
@MarkGarcia yes, you can find previously commit files in /Archive. Create a symbolic link from it to make a local header, e.g. ln -s /Archive/ID/main.cpp myheader.h. Followed by the build command. (Multi-line commands with shift-enter.)
 
@StackedCrooked Cool. Thanks. :)
 
5:52 AM
WAIT A MINUTE. Did you just UNACCEPT this answer because you have thought of more questions? I wonder, why do you even think it's a good idea to ask questions in comments? I think you just need to ask another question my friend. — not-sehe 2 mins ago
^ I would cry...
 
Oh hey, you beared up.
 
QWR
reload script from one computer u cant ddos limited systems u will be ban . maybe synflood will affect a lil
 
@CatPlusPlus I see you're wearing a slanted font too. Why is it that these messages aren't heading to the bin yet?
 
It's mildly amusing?
 
5:54 AM
@sehe Because it took a while to select them all.
 
@JerryCoffin You missed some
 
Aw. Same errors came out when declaring foo() in a header and defining it in a .cpp.
 
@JerryCoffin Lol! Good excuse. I'm off for breakfast now :/
 
oO Jerry has been contaminated by mysticial after their 'date', now becomes the master bin master:x
 
@sehe the real sehe! :o
 
5:55 AM
@Jeffrey Undoubtedly. All in this case meaning only "all of them I selected."
 
QWR
@JerryCoffin why u mad at ?
 
@MarkGarcia Still trying to forward-declare inferred functions? You can't do that.
 
@QWR I'm not mad at anything. Just making it clear that this isn't the right place for it.
 
@melak47 I thought I needed to help out with the ban hammer. Turned out, it wasn't so necessary :)
 
@CatPlusPlus Then it isn't that useful in libraries. :(
 
5:56 AM
@QWR Maybe because you are asking for help with an illegal/immoral activity?
 
QWR
Well agree . i would better go
i said that it is for testing
 
@MarkGarcia Make your libraries header-only.
 
@QWR Cya. Don't ever come back. :)
 
@QWR ..and all the information on the net is correct.
 
Test your keyboard, because it appears to be broken.
 
5:57 AM
@QWR I never got to meet you. Snif.
 
QWR
@Jeffrey as if i am losing much going :)
 
Indeed.
 
I understand why you have binned those messages, but why are you inviting me to the trash can @JerryCoffin?
 
QWR
ok cu guys . there was no need to be mad at
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 It's an automatic notification.
 
5:58 AM
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Must be an accidental side effect of binning the messages.
 
@CatPlusPlus Not if your functions are pretty large. auto-inferred return types though, would just make a very small impact in productivity on that, considering the size of the function.
 
@MarkGarcia The compilation model of C++ does its best to be helpful to compiler writers, but only those. (The rest of the language tries to make it up for I suppose.)
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 It's personal :P
 
Mmm, but sometimes I don't receive it. Do I receive the notification only if it get moved to a room I have never entered before?
 
@Jeffrey Yeah - I got invited as well. The Trash can is funny anyway - long overdue for a quick look through:)
 
6:00 AM
@LucDanton I'll still ask the question though, even if I already know the answer. :P
 
@MarkGarcia If your functions are large, they suck.
 
@StackedCrooked "you have been invited to the trash can, let's get dirty together ..."
 
Hm.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 The only time I've seen that notification is when one of my messages gets binned.
 
I should make an all-strength character for Dark Souls.
 
6:01 AM
@CatPlusPlus I knew that was coming. :P
 
What'd I miss?
 
Also with templates (which you should be using), most of your code will be in headers anyway.
 
@Rapptz You missed me hating Clang with a passion. D:
 
I looked at that guy QWR's answers and found this stackoverflow.com/revisions/17248538/1 lol
 
@MarkGarcia What? winter?
 
6:01 AM
This is how you write modern C++ code, deal with it.
 
@Jeffrey @CatPlusPlus's statement.
 
(Or don't use C++)
I said I did not want comments from pedants. — raxman yesterday
THOSE DAMN PEDANTS
 
@MarkGarcia Yeah... that was kinda... like... a joke. Winter is coming doesn't ring any bell? Ok. Nevermind. :(
 
:argh:
 
@user2511129, please see my answer. Don't let the pedants fool you. Learn C first. It's a subset of C++ (that's why it has a ++). Read this post by Linus Tovalds, the creator of Linux about the evils of C++ harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/linusraxman yesterday
 
6:03 AM
@Jeffrey Just wasn't that sure. :)
 
ROFLMAO
 
@Jeffrey And we don't have winter here. :P
 
Someone ACTUALLY quoting harmful.cat-v.org
 
@MarkGarcia What? Where do you live?
 
0
A: Is there any way to output the actual array in c++

Reyno#include <iostream> using namespace std; int main() { int anArray[9] = {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9}; cout << "{"; for (int i = 0; i < (sizeof(anArray)/sizeof(*anArray) - 1); ++i) { cout << anArray[i] << ", "; } cout << anArray[(sizeof(anArray)/sizeof(*anArray)) -1] <

Jesus.
 
6:04 AM
@Jeffrey Philippines.
 
@Rapptz Did it get lounged or was at -4 already?
 
@user2511129, watch out for the C++ fascists, read Linus's post, his reputation is worth more than the reputation of anyone you find here. — raxman yesterday
:cripes:
 
@Jeffrey It was already downvoted.
 
I have the urge to yell "shut up and stop programming forever, idiot".
To put it mildly.
 
Don't.
 
6:07 AM
Linus is also good at telling people to fuck themselves. (ahem... Nvidia)
 
I wish he told people reading his bullshit rant to go fuck themselves.
 
please don't comment that this is C and not C++. :)) lolzzz liked this phrase . i mostly make mistake on this too . c rules — QWR yesterday
 
@Mysticial NVidia?
 
> c rules
 
6:09 AM
 
OK. Posted the question.
 
WTF?
 
Yeah we know how to mouse over things, thanks.
 
The tooltip looks different.
 
@Mysticial Lol, wow. He's mad. :P
 
6:11 AM
@ThePhD ya
 
I don't see why he's so surprised, though.
Linux isn't actively making people money.
 
LOL @ the first answer!
 
@MarkGarcia Surprisingly it's valid.
I'll try to post an answer.
 
@Rapptz Sure. That would be great!
Though, I should have prepared an answer for it. :P
 
The thing that doesn't quite make sense with what you asked @MarkGarcia is that the declaration could be included in a header file separate from the function definition. In that case, the compiler would never be able to resolve the auto if the header was included in other places.
 
6:14 AM
@ThePhD I know. Just asked the question because I can. ;)
 
Oh.
Rep-farming.
 
Ah someone beat me to it.
I'll just scrap the answer.
Oh Cat++ is right (I was going to address that)
 
GO RAPPTZ
 
@ThePhD That's the real reason he's pissed. They constantly (if implicitly) remind him of the fact that although he's accustomed to being treated as extremely important, in the greater scheme of things neither he nor Linux really matters a bit. Yes, Linux gets used, but if he'd never written it, *BSD (for the obvious example) would just have more market share (and that would probably be better for everybody except, perhaps, Linus).
 
Making standard quotes pretty is hard :(
 
6:18 AM
Upboats for Rapptz.
 
or he's mad bill gates & steve jobs were better @ marketing than he was
 
Damn. Net connection's having a bad mood!
 
Both of you are terrible repwhores.
 
your product doesn't have to be the best for you to make a fortune out of it
and if it is, it does not mean it will make a fortune
 
> Implying Linux is anywhere near easier to use than a Windows or a Mac
 
6:20 AM
I won't comment. After all, I'm not a pedant, right :) — not-sehe 12 secs ago
 
I answer so rarely.
 
Don't 4chan here tia.
 
What's tia?
 
in advance
 
@ThePhD depends on your definition of "use"
 
6:20 AM
THanks in Advance?
I think.
 
Oh
 
@Rapptz adTHANKSvance
 
@ThePhD That'd be `tha'
 
many high performance systems are known to have been written on linux
 
@JerryCoffin subliminal positive advertising in plaintext? That's a first
@Telkitty猫咪咪 who/what are you arguing? Nobody doubts that
 
6:21 AM
@not-sehe Can't remember who, but somebody used to use that on Fidonet. But not, nothing subliminal -- it's "thanks IN advance.
 
The majority of the world doesn't need high performance systems.
 
DAMN CONNECTION!!!
 
Are you sure you really need that? I don't think it's generally a good idea to create functions that return something so undefined, maybe you need to return instance of some abstract high-level class? No offence if you know what are you doing:) — SpongeBobFan 1 min ago
 
THey need something that lets them play games and do other silly things with other people. :3c
 
Ahahaha C++ experts coming out of the woodwork.
 
6:22 AM
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
Hehe.
Abstract High-Level class.
 
You know nothing, SpongeBobFan.
 
@CatPlusPlus Hey, he knows more about Sponge Bob than all of us combined!
 
@not-sehe in relation to Jerry's comment on "in great scale of things, linux does not matter a bit"
 
To continue the theme of GoT references nobody gets.
 
6:24 AM
@Telkitty猫咪咪 If things include other things besides computer software, then most definitely he's right
 
in great scale of things, if facebook did not existed, we would just continue to use myspace
 
Food matters to me more than every OS combined.
 
or better, if facebook did not exist, humans would be doing more useful things?
or if google did not exist, yahoo or other search engine would takeover
 
We'd still be using Altavista.
 
@Telkitty猫咪咪 You've missed the point. The point wasn't anything about Linux working poorly, or anything of the sort -- but that if Linux hadn't been written, *BSD (for the obvious example) would work fine instead, and lack of Linux really be no loss to much of anybody. If anything, things would probably be a little better.
 
6:28 AM
If Linux hadn't been written, we'd be running GNU/Hurd... pfffhahaha.
 
@CatPlusPlus The difference being the Google was distinctly better than its predecessors/competitors. Linux works fine, but is marginally better than BSD -- at very best (and more often inferior).
 
I don't know, I'm just making random jokes.
 
@CatPlusPlus Fair enough. Given that I'm about ready to knock off and go sleep, you must be way overdue for some sleep.
 
I have a meeting. And then an exam. No sleep.
 
@CatPlusPlus if some one could just 'finish' Hurd, I would be so happy indifferent
 
6:31 AM
you have a meeting & an exam, no time for sleep but have time to chat with us ... I am touched
 
I think even RMS gave up on Hurd.
 
RMS?
@Telkitty猫咪咪 Cats must watch over their kitties.
 
Oh.
 
@CatPlusPlus The project has been rebooted, so to speak. gnu.org/software/hurd
 
6:32 AM
but seriously, I see no really reason to work on Hurd, other then purely academic.
 
Well, honestly. One more "FOSS" operating system would just suck really big dick.
 
Oh nice. I'm back.
 
You usually want competition like that to help drive innovation, but Linux seems to be doing that all on it's own.
 
^ Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
 
6:33 AM
@ThePhD It's kernel. Userland would be pretty much the same.
 
It was actually released!
We should have thrown Zoidberg at it, killed it while it was down.
 
It had few releases.
Nobody uses it anyway. vOv
 
Oh well.
Hopefully it doesn't get big.
I honestly don't want to be dealing with Yet Another Environment
 
It's just a kernel.
 
@Rapptz There you go. :)
 
6:35 AM
o_0 @thePHD you don't have to...
 
The rest is still a GNU rendition of POSIX.
 
something like gnome would still be able to run on top of it.
 
Also you'd probably deal with FreeBSD before dealing with Hurd.
 
most of the 'linux' tools are gnu anyway, (hence why RMS gets so touchy about saying GNU/Linux and not jsut Linux)
 
@thecoshman Yes -- most typical Linux applications should need little or nothing more than rebuilding to run on it.
 
6:38 AM
@JerryCoffin yeah, need to be rebuilt. I would like to think that Hurd is not trying to make such a conversion more awkward than needs be.
 
@thecoshman IMO, that's not the real reason. RMS is even more irrelevant than Linus, but more politically oriented, so he's even touchier about the constant reminder of his own irrelevance.
 
If Hurd seriously wants a chance of becoming actually used, ease of porting is rather vital.
@JerryCoffin I do see his point, 'Linux' it self is not much use. You do need all those GNU tools to make it something close to usable. But I very much doubt RMS will accept calling it 'OtherPeepsStuff/Hurd'
 
Didn't he want it to be GNU/Linux because it was due to the GNU tools that Linux existed in the first place?
I don't follow RMS' religious FSF cult so I wouldn't actually know
 
@thecoshman The vast majority of those tools aren't really GNU either. A fair amount is public domain stuff they slapped their "copyleft" onto, and then distributed. In some cases (e.g., Flex) it wasn't actually public domain, so trying to force others to follow GPL on that code is basically illegal (or at least unenforceable).
 
@Rapptz not really that Gnu tools where first, but that use (almost) always use a good chunk of Gnu tools in what you would call a Linux os
 
6:45 AM
@Rapptz That's the claim. But as I already said, I think the reality is simply that he's trying to retain some degree of relevance/take a little credit for things he didn't do and (in most cases) didn't even influence.
 
oh yeah, he doesn't want to get caste into the shadows
though, to be fair, if we wanted some public figure to spearhead free software, I think Linus (at least looks wise, and yes I know it's shallow but people are shallow and first impressions do mater) comes across as someone making a valid point, and not just hippy wishing the man would stop trying to charge him for everything
 
@thecoshman Reality is that he's already there -- and quite a few people releasing open source are pretty careful to dissociate themselves from him, and make no real secret of the fact that they think he's more hindrance than help.
 
Eh. I still see people using the GPL and donating to the FSF.
Though I'm not sure they support RMS himself or just his idealism.
@thecoshman Ehh.. no thanks.
Bias aside, if someone is interested in free software and they google current Linus they'll find his Fuck you Nvidia quote and his C++ Sucks quote.
 
@Rapptz like it or not, Linus IS a public figure, and would you rather him or RMS?
 
@Rapptz A lot don't really support either one, but think the FSF does some good in spite of him (and to an extent, I agree).
 
6:49 AM
Wouldn't shine a very bright light IMO.
 
@Rapptz hey, they might just work in his favour :P
 
@thecoshman Yes, as seen by that raxman guy earlier.
 
it depends on who exactly is looking him up and what perspective they have.
 
@thecoshman Linus isn't as bad as a leader, but he's clearly well short of ideal.
 
Ell
hurd was released?
 
6:50 AM
I am envisioning the sort of people who did look him up and see those quotes would say 'No Video what? see plus what?'
 
@Ell No.
 
It was.
 
Really?
Well that's impressive.
 
18 mins ago, by ThePhD
http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/news/2013-05-debian_gnu_hurd_2013.html
any way, time to get off to work ¬_¬
 
It's been working for a while.
 
6:52 AM
Wow. I thought it would be like Duke Nukem Forever
 
I nearly convinced my self this morning I didn't have to get up and can just get back into bed.
 
It has zero priority by now.
 
Why would they pick a name that rhymes with turd?
 
Foresight.
 
@Rapptz The parallel is almost amazingly close -- after years of hype, the real release is too little, too late leading to utter irrelevancy.
 
6:54 AM
At least they didn't charge money, like DNF.
 
@CatPlusPlus Well, there is that I guess.
 
@JerryCoffin well said
@CatPlusPlus that would be a beautiful twist though :P
"after years of campaigning for FOSS, I am going to now charge you for this turd Hurd"
 
Like anyone would pay.
No, scratch that, people are dumb.
 
lol
indeed they are
and fanatical (Mac OSX)
 

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