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user142019
12:00 AM
@GamErix Minecraft, but not now.
 
user1182183
if the world explodes.. xD
 
user1182183
@rightfold alleen MC? : <
 
user142019
Ja.
 
user1182183
geen race/strategie/race spellen?
 
user142019
12:00 AM
@GamErix Nee. Ik speel alleen leuke games.
 
/drool
 
user142019
Race games are more boring than GTA.
 
user1182183
@rightfold meh oke lol. wat leuk is is persoonlijk
 
@rightfold GTA rocks!
or at least GTA San Andreas did.
 
user142019
GTA is fun for ten minutes.
 
12:01 AM
Can't seem to finish GTA 4
 
user142019
Horrible game.
 
Definitely not as cool as AC
Although, I'm a bit disappointed with AC3 so far...
 
user142019
Minecraft is the only video game I like.
 
user142019
Well, and MGS.
 
user1182183
That's old..
 
user1182183
12:03 AM
it can't even run properly
 
user1182183
probbly
 
user142019
What.
 
user1182183
MGS
 
user142019
MGS runs just fine.
 
What's MGS?
 
user1182183
12:04 AM
Metal Gear Solid
 
ahh...I've heard those are good
 
user1182183
does it have CO-OP
 
user1182183
?
 
user142019
No.
 
user1182183
(campaign)
 
12:04 AM
I have MGS4 on PS3, but haven't tried it yet.
 
user1182183
Bad game.
 
user142019
Metal Gear Solid is not a bad game.
 
user142019
It's one of the best games ever.
 
user1182183
It has no co-op capmaign, it's bad, period.
 
user142019
You have no taste.
 
12:05 AM
@GamErix meh
 
user1182183
I just want co-op games because I hate singleplayer
 
user142019
That doesn't make MGS a bad game.
 
@rightfold Didn't MGS start as just "Solid"?
 
user1182183
the game itself isn't bad
 
user142019
@MonadNewb No.
 
12:06 AM
@MonadNewb nope, no solid
 
user142019
There was Metal Gear.
 
just metal gear
 
user1182183
the product is bad.
 
user142019
Then there was Metal Gear Solid.
 
user142019
@GamErix You are bad.
 
user1182183
12:06 AM
I know.
 
user142019
@GamErix Me too.
 
@rightfold That's probably what I was thinking of.
 
user1182183
I am cold, have no feelings and would even laugh if my nearest died
 
user142019
@MonadNewb Me too.
 
Played the first one. Are sequels any good?
 
user142019
12:07 AM
@GamErix Me too.
 
user142019
@milleniumbug Yes.
 
user1182183
have nothign to lose and could kill anyone with cold blood.
 
user142019
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater is best.
 
user142019
@GamErix emo
 
@rightfold I have been told the whole series is pretty good. Do you play console or PC versions?
 
user142019
12:07 AM
PlayStation.
 
user1182183
@rightfold emo? I'm not emo
 
user1182183
I don't cut myself.
 
I only have a PS3 and it's one that isn't backwards compatible ;-(
 
user1182183
and I don't want to commit suicide
 
Well then nice. I'll play it then :)
 
user142019
12:08 AM
You can play the first MGS on a PS3.
 
user142019
As well as MGS4.
 
user1182183
I'm just like : Nothing will stop me from achieving what I want
 
user1182183
even killing others.
 
@rightfold Guess I'll have to shop around. I already have MGS4. I'd like to play the previous ones first, though.
 
user1182183
I have played the previous ones
 
user142019
12:09 AM
Then you'll need a PS2.
 
user1182183
when I was a kid and likes singleplayer games..
 
user142019
Try eBay or Craigslist.
 
user1182183
Or an emulator + ps2 controller + ps2 to usb controller thing
 
user1182183
and good pc/laptop
 
@GamErix yah...my PC is a little bit out of date...
 
user1182183
12:10 AM
I use pcsx2-0.9.8-r4600 myself
 
planning on fixing that soon
 
user1182183
@MonadNewb a PS3 costs 190 euros now, here, new, unused
 
2 mins ago, by Monad Newb
I only have a PS3 and it's one that isn't backwards compatible ;-(
 
user1182183
buya backwards compatible one lol
 
user1182183
or hack it. damn what are you? not a human? we are here to fuck stuff up..
 
12:12 AM
@GamErix They only made a few of those early on from what I understand.
 
user1182183
and there are dozens of nerds that probbly hacked it / nailed it to be backwards ompatible
 
user1182183
@MonadNewb I had one..
 
user1182183
but I don't need a PS3
 
user1182183
I have a gaming laptop
 
@GamErix yah...I haven't taken the time to look into that.
 
user1182183
12:13 AM
and well a ps2 isn't that much money nowadays
 
true...might look into getting one from a local pawn shop or used electronics store.
 
user1182183
but it's quite embarassing that the PS2 that's in the house I live in... is PINK
 
user1182183
(it's my little sisters ps2)
 
Of course, I'd rather spend money on upgrading my PC
 
user1182183
well upgrading a pc to play more games or buying a console to play old games, choose wisely, I am a classic fan so would go for the ps2
 
user1182183
12:14 AM
xD
 
user1182183
but I have both XDDD
 
hi guys
 
user1182183
yoooooooooo
 
how to print milliseconds in vb 6.0
 
user1182183
WELCOME TO THE ROOM OF TOTAL IDIOTISM AND ANTICIPATION.
 
user1182183
12:15 AM
NOT C++
 
where binmasterMG?
 
user1182183
1
Q: Getting the current date in visual Basic 2008

TamseycI dont know how to get the current date in visual basic 2008. Here is a sample code regDate = Format(Date.Now(), "ddMMMyyyy") The output is like 7/02/1900 Need help

 
12:16 AM
@Aboutblank I'd bin but eh.
 
do eet
 
too soft!
 
user1182183
bin what?
 
@GamErix Come on man, at least let him google it.
 
user1182183
@Rapptz It's not miliseconds lol ;d
 
user1182183
12:17 AM
he'd need to find out himself
 
user1182183
at least he needs to READ something
 
user1182183
and c'mon let's not be assholes for 1-milisecond and help XD I like to help people..
 
user1182183
..getting killed.
 
nobody likes basic
 
user1182183
Jk.
 
user1182183
12:18 AM
yah VB is seriously the .. I actually don't know what it is for
 
user1182183
I know I learned it when I was sooo dumb I couldn't do even hello world in C++
 
user1182183
but now I look at it and laught
 
user1182183
still have to admit it has reflection, something I badly want in c++
 
I still laugh at it (or at least at VBA, in which I had written code)
 
user1182183
yeah I still have bunch of projects (I MEAN LIKE HUNDREDS) on my old laptop in VB.net!
 
12:22 AM
@GamErix upgrading my pc is for more than just playing games...
 
user1182183
@MonadNewb what specifically? if you want faster compile times you just go with a better CPU, then get ramdisk software and voila
 
user1182183
$10 super upgrade, 20000% compile time improvment
 
@GamErix xactly...a better CPU is gonna cost me more than 10 bucks
for one thing, to get a better CPU I'll also need to get a better mobo
 
user142019
What does ⊢ mean in ⊢Λα.λx^α.x:∀α.α→α? Context: System F.
 
"entails"
 
12:35 AM
welcome to the latest edition of "Holy shit, mathematical notation sucks donkey cock"
 
I think...
@rightfold Where's that from?
 
user142019
System F, also known as the (Girard–Reynolds) polymorphic lambda calculus or the second-order lambda calculus, is a typed lambda calculus that differs from the simply typed lambda calculus by the introduction of a mechanism of universal quantification over types. System F thus formalizes the notion of parametric polymorphism in programming languages, and forms a theoretical basis for languages such as Haskell and ML. System F was discovered independently by logician Jean-Yves Girard (1972) and computer scientist John C. Reynolds (1974). Whereas simply typed lambda calculus has variables r...
 
@DeadMG I like mathematical notation myself. It's great for concisely expressing very complex ideas.
 
it's a worthless jumble of symbols whose meaning is based entirely on the user's mind acting like a database.
if it was a programming language or API it would be deleted and unused without question
 
user142019
Also, I don't understand the Λα. part.
 
12:37 AM
@DeadMG You can say the same thing of letters and words in any language.
@rightfold That's a capital lambda
 
user142019
No shit.
 
@rightfold The upper-case is traditionally used to denote type-level functions
 
user142019
It denotes a type-level function.
 
So it's a lambda for types
 
user142019
But I don't understand its significance in Λα.λx^α.x:∀α.α→α.
 
12:38 AM
I'm not sure what x^a means...
 
@MonadNewb The difference is that every human being is raised from birth to identify existing linguistic symbols, which is vastly easier.
not to mention that, at least in English, every new idea is not represented by randomly drawing a bunch of new symbols
 
user1182183
Ilike the theory that says if our universe would be googolplex meters long it would have an exact copy of me somewhere
 
user142019
λx^α.x:∀α.α→α makes sense; in Haskell it's literally (\(x :: a) -> x) :: forall a. a -> a.
 
@DeadMG verbal linguistic symbols perhaps...are we born to identify written ones?
 
well, it's probably not hardwired into our brains like verbal ones are, but tying written syllables with spoken sounds has proven to be quite an effective technique.
 
12:41 AM
@rightfold That's what I thought the x^a meant. Just wasn't quite sure.
 
in any case, mathematical notation is far worse and a different thing to all human languages
 
user142019
@MonadNewb x^a means that the value bound to x has type a.
 
user142019
Mathematical notation has a different goal than English.
 
@DeadMG And how are mathematical symbols any different? We don't tie them directly to verbal symbols in a one-to-one fashion but they are tied to more abstract ideas.
@rightfold so x :: a in Haskell...I get it ;-)
 
@MonadNewb They're different because they're duplicates.
why should there be a mathematical symbol for "and"? I already have a symbol for "and"- it's "and".
 
user142019
12:43 AM
122
Q: Why do mathematicians use single-letter variables?

eaterI have much more experience programming than I do with advanced mathematics, so perhaps this is just a comfort thing with me, but I often get frustrated trying to follow mathematical notation. Specifically, I get frustrated trying to keep track of what each variable signifies. As a programmer, t...

 
Is it still a race condition if you win?
 
user142019
(Does not only apply to variable names but to all symbols.)
 
and secondly
mathematical notation exists to precisely describe a fixed set of ideas, not unboundedly and ambiguously describe loose ideas
 
user1182183
 
even C++'s syntax is more uniform and even C++ code is far more descriptive than a formula in mathematical-speak.
 
user1182183
12:44 AM
someone can find me an alternative video to #1?
 
> We are very, very lazy. I am very, very serious about this.
 
user1182183
Idon't know korean
 
^ coming from a mathematician lol
 
user1182183
yes mathematicians don't know korean...
 
Not sure if mathematicians or programmers are lazier.
@GamErix =p
 
user1182183
12:45 AM
mathematicians solve problems, programmers let programs solve them?
 
user1182183
don't know if that is the correct way to compare
 
that...and programmers expend a lot of energy to automate tasks so they don't have to do the tasks themselves.
 
There's no reason a mathematician can't be programmer in a mathy capacity
 
user1182183
and actually it's, I think, Possible to calculate pi from just using a few formulas, no circles involved. (it's using sine / cosine and some other formulas)
 
Most good math department RAs are sufficiently lazy to be programmers, which speeds things up.
 
user1182183
12:48 AM
and precision is dependant on the precision of your cosine/sine calculators
 
user1182183
anyway why the fuck do we need so much precision if pi to the 34th decimal is enough to create a perfect ring around the universe?
 
user1182183
because fuck universe...
 
What are you even talking about anymore?
 
@DeadMG I think the descriptiveness of C++ vs mathematics is incommensurable. C++ is primarily a tool for a human to communicate with a computer. Mathematical notation is used to communicate between humans. (okay...so C++ also communicates ideas between , too. For the most part, that's a secondary reason for using C++ -- or any programming lang).
 
user1182183
I don't know, this is lounge<c++> so it can even go down to the harlem shake.
 
12:49 AM
@MonadNewb Which is why it's disgustingly awful that C++ is superior as a human-to-human tool.
 
@DeadMG I don't agree. And unfortunately I have to log out soon, so I can't continue this lively discussion much longer.
 
user1182183
ok someone is in love with me or I'm actually becomming good at this but the stars are comming and my stars gather rate has infinitely increased :D FINALLY I'M OFFICIALY PART OF THIS ROOM XD
 
user142019
@Asad What ⊢ means in ⊢Λα.λx^α.x:∀α.α→α.
 
nah it's just a starwhore
 
user1182183
My starwhore <3
 
12:52 AM
wow...just noticed I got 7 stars for my Happy Bday song lol
 
user1182183
we havea new expert at noticing
 
user1182183
welcome.
 
It's also notable that mathematics is descriptive, not imperative, so comparing symbol conventions is apples and oranges. You don't really need to trace inputs through a mathematical formula as you would variables through an algorithm, so descriptive naming isn't that valuable.
 
user1182183
apples and oranges taste good, enough compared.
 
@GamErix overload the equals operator
 
user1182183
12:54 AM
operator=(T val) { return val; } ?
 
@rightfold Not the slightest idea. Must dig deeper into chat history for context.
 
user142019
@Asad System F.
 
@Asad Descriptive naming is always valuable.
 
@rightfold The turnstyle means that the statement is a tautology, I think
 
X U Y is useless to me if I don't remember the special thing that U is, so why not just say right there what U is?
 
user1182183
12:55 AM
or something like that, dunno, always when I need to overload anyting I google it again and again
 
user1182183
I never seem to learn it
 
@DeadMG every language has a learning curve with some portions that are simply pure memorization
 
user1182183
It's like knowing how to be a master at athletics and gymnastics but forgetting how to jump.. every fucking day.. -.-'
 
@DeadMG Multiple languages.
I guess for starters.
 
@DeadMG Why would it be, unless the variables showed up more than once?
 
12:56 AM
Would you put it in English or some other language?
 
programming seems to have effectively solved this problem by simply declaring that all code, ever, is in English
 
@DeadMG So should we write "or" (English) or "o" (Spanish) instead of "U"?
 
Yeah I'm sure that worked out well considering not everyone uses English identifiers.
 
@Asad If they don't show up more than once, why use a named variable? But more importantly, the expression is meaningless to me without knowing what U is. Not to mention that I probably forgot what X and Y are by the time I'm done reading any non-trivial expression/formula/whatever
 
or use a Chinese ideogram?
@DeadMG One of the powers of mathematical notation is that it transcends natural languages.
 
12:57 AM
yeah, transcends their awful into a new realm of "What the fuck"
admittedly, the whole "multiple languages" thing is not ideal.
 
@MonadNewb It's not "or".
 
@DeadMG Because you would then have to say X union Y instead of X U Y in elaborate constructions. Also what Monad said about symbols being translatable into various languages.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes umm...it's not?
 
but for a mathematical expression, you could trivially implement even automated language translation.
considering that there are no grammatical requirements whatsoever and it would literally be just translating some key words individually
 
@MonadNewb It looks like set union to me.
 
user1182183
12:59 AM
> A head-on collision with his own radio-controlled plane was what killed Roger Wallace from Arizona in 2001. He lost sight of the 3kg machine in the sun and it crashed into his head at 40mph.
 
^ being another problem with mathematical notation- way too much symbol overloading.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes And how is that different from "or"?
 
user1182183
Ouch, Lucky me when I had airplanes they blew up in the air befor hitting my head
 
In set theory, the union (denoted by ∪) of a collection of sets is the set of all distinct elements in the collection. It is one of the fundamental operations through which sets can be combined and related to each other. Union of two sets The union of two sets A and B is the collection of points which are in A or in B or in both A and B. In symbols, :A \cup B = \{ x: x \in A \,\,\,\textrm{ or }\,\,\, x \in B\}. For example, if A = {1, 3, 5, 7} and B = {1, 2, 4, 6} then A ∪ B = {1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7}. A more elaborate example (involving two infinite sets) is: : A = {x is an even int...
 
@MonadNewb In the same way that cars are different from drivers.
 
12:59 AM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Not exactly
 
anyway, it would be trivial to automatically and correctly translate a mathematical expression in a programming-language-style syntax into another language.
but, of course, a Chinese researcher still can't use a Chinese letter to name his variables, can he?
 
gah...how do you copy the mathematical expression from a wikipedia page...
 
@MonadNewb Why not?
 
@DeadMG sounds like a good project ;-)
 
user1182183
lol cruelest way to kill someone: "Beware clumsy eagles if you ever go to Iran. Two car passengers died there when an eagle soaring overhead accidentally dropped a cobra into their vehicle. It bit them straightaway, killing them both. Fangs a lot!"
 
1:00 AM
FWIW I agree with the Robot that using "or" isn't ideal.
 
so even if you have X U Y, this isn't going to help much if X and Y are chinese ideograms that you can't tell apart or understand what they are.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes A U B is all x such that x is an element of A or x is an element of B
 
@MonadNewb No it wouldn't. You would be assigning meaning to the variable names, which is precisely what symbols are for, and which you seem to be against.
 
@MonadNewb So?
The fact that uses "or" in its definition doesn't make it "or".
 
@Asad I believe that @Dead was talking about the union symbol, not the variable names.
 
1:02 AM
Quite the opposite, or you would have a circular definition.
"or" (logical disjunction) applies to truth values and produces a truth value.
Set union applies to sets and produces sets.
 
@MonadNewb Whoops, tagged the wrong person in all this crossfire. Meant to tag DeadMG.
@MonadNewb I'm not sure what an alternative to a union operator would be.
 
@Asad No, I'm totally in favour of assigning meaning to the variable names.
but ultimately, they are two different arguments.
 
f(2) depending on what is f is either f of 2 or f multiplied by 2
with redundant parens
or something else
 
if you say X U Y, this is no different than saying X union Y, and translating a single key word is a trivial task.
 
@milleniumbug It's never the latter when meant for exposition (i.e. not input on a calculator or something).
 
1:04 AM
Is going the tech route for a Programming Degree harder in the longrun. Will it be harder to get a good job, ect?
 
for saying that you should use more descriptive names, then you could at least argue that those can't be trivially automatically translated
 
Except with implicit multiplication - g(x+2)
 
@DeadMG Provided "union" was universally understood to represent the operation of uniting sets, yes they would be interchangeable. At which point, why use such a long symbol if you're relying on convention anyway?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah, that relies on convention that f is a function
 
@milleniumbug No, it relies on non-crazy authors.
It's distinguishable from context anyway.
 
1:06 AM
@Asad The fact that I know you're unioning two sets is a start, but it would still be super-helpful to know what sets you intend to union.
er, wait, wrong argument
 
@DeadMG I'm not sure I follow.
 
user142019
x(n) for multiplication is sillier than PHP when you can just do nx.
 
@DeadMG Most of the time they are arbitrary.
 
@Asad The reason you should use union instead of U is simple- it's duplication. It's bad for the exact same reasons that all other duplication is bad.
 
@milleniumbug No sane person would do f(2) for f multiplied by 2. They'd do 2f or f2, the latter which would be extremely strange to me.
 
1:08 AM
not to mention, for one, that it plain makes it harder for real people in the real world to deal with formulae before they've spent 20 years as a researcher
 
@Rapptz And that's why I said - "with redundant parens"
 
Usually they use an elevated . when expressing the product of adjacent terms. At least, they teach you that engineering.
 
@Rapptz But they can y(x+2) though
 
user1182183
Seriously #2 and #1 [especially the last part of #2]
 
@milleniumbug Which is perfectly clear from context.
 
1:08 AM
So there isn't that much confusion about whether x.(n) is x of n or x times n
 
@Asad Also, did I mention that you can find ten trillion different notations for the same thing if you look in three different fields that deal with the same areas?
 
user142019
If you want to multiply x + 2 by f, use (x + 2)f or f · (x + 2).
 
user142019
Also, don't use f as an arbitrary variable name.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I know. I would be evil to name things not relying on conventions.
 
@rightfold Yes, the latter is clearer in any case. Any idea what that symbol is called?
 
1:10 AM
@milleniumbug It's not about naming.
 
user142019
@Asad Interpunct.
 
If you see y(x+2), both y and x will arise from some context.
If y is not a function, it's multiplication.
 
If the authors are crazy, they can say "z is a function and f is a variable"
 
user142019
You can also use ×.
 
@milleniumbug So what.
 
1:11 AM
@rightfold Yes, but that makes your formulas really ugly.
 
user142019
:P
 
@Asad No problem
 
So nothing. Just to say you can't mechanically translate formulas.
At least not without introducing some context.
 
@rightfold f⁢(x+2)
 
user142019
Fuck that.
 
user142019
1:13 AM
f denotes by convention a function.
 
user142019
As does g.
 
@rightfold Only in the circles that use that convention.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Which is pretty much every contemporary mathematician
 
aka methlabs matlab
2
 
@MonadNewb Is it?
 
1:14 AM
Yeah usually f and g denote functions.
Sometimes also h.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes afaik...I'm sure you can find a counter example...but that's why I qualified with "pretty much"
 
user142019
Let's learn Scala.
 
@rightfold Except when it represents gravitational acceleration on Earth.
 
I've seen a and b, or x and y being used as the first function names in various contexts.
 
1:15 AM
@rightfold Yes :)
 
fgh = functions, xyz = variables. now let's talk about something more important; like vaginas and pointers
 
I think function composition's alternative notation is lame.
 
What about function variables?
 
user142019
My dangling pointer just left her vagina?
 
hahahah xD
 
1:19 AM
Also, mathematical notation is not the same in every country.
 
@Rapptz Which alternative notation?
 
aaargh
note to self: that other kind of chocolate is NOT good to eat
 
@MonadNewb omit composition symbol.
fg instead of f ∘ g
 
@Rapptz In certain contexts it is convenient. For example when you are studying the group of functions under function composition.
 
Go's declarations confuse me.
 
1:21 AM
It's.. pretty idiotic
 
@Rapptz It makes composition look like any other binary operation which satisfies the group axioms.
 
FCUK, been waiting up for a few hours downloading a bunch of drivers for my little brothers laptop.. only now to realize that I don't have any empty CD-R's left
 
@Rapptz So then you don't have to differentiate between, say, composing functions and multiplying real numbers. Both are equal in group theory.
 
with that; I could've had a meeting with Mary Jane and gone to bed..
 
And you still can!
 
1:23 AM
tan vs tg, for example. Or <0;2> vs [0,2]
 
I still think it's idiotic.
 
@MonadNewb sure.. just that I could've done it much earlier
 
@Rapptz And you are more than welcome to your idiotic opinion ;-)
 
I didn't insult you, so that was a bit unwarranted.
 
@refp But you were so captivated by the SO chat that you didn't?
@Rapptz was supposed to be a double-entendre...guess it didn't work that well.
 
1:25 AM
@MonadNewb nha, I've been browsing 4chan while chain smoking..
 
@refp lol, that works, too
 
Robot's avatar miniature looks like Doomguy.
 
10k! woot!
 
er my grertz
 
JESUS. Assembly is blowing my mind away. I love it.
 
1:41 AM
@moonbeamer2234 There is an edit option. It may come in handy.
 
sorry
 
-1
Q: The class adapter pattern is not possible in Java

user2342185What's the reason class adapter is impossible in java ? I'm trying to read everything on the internet but still have found a good one. Can anyone here give me a reasonable answer ???

> I'm trying to read everything on the internet
That might take a while
 
@rightfold Because, at the end of the day, you still need to get shit done.
I figured talking smack to @rightfold was important.
5
 
@EtiennedeMartel always
 
user142019
So, my objective for today was learning Scala. What am I doing? Exactly, learning OCaml.
 
1:49 AM
@rightfold Ergh.
You do know that's French, right?
 
user142019
No, it's OCaml.
 
So in scale you always have to specify args: between ( ) in functions?
Cool.
Like def main(args: Array[String]).
 
user142019
Let's write an expression evaluator in OCaml.
 
I just learned that std::queue doesn't have a clear.
 
user142019
while (!queue.empty()) queue.pop();
 
1:56 AM
@rightfold sure, but this still shocking...
 
@EtiennedeMartel His name is Zoidberg, foo'
 

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