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5:09 AM
@MarkGarcia Telepathic powers heh?
 
@Mysticial Assuming the function returns by value rather than reference, it ends up (modulo move semantics and/or RVO) returning a value, that gets copied to the caller. If the copy ctor throws,...
 
@LucDanton I don't know. Must be the environment inducing the song in our brains.
 
@JerryCoffin ha... never thought of the copy ctor throwing.
 
@Mysticial How much data can fit in an std::string?
 
@LucDanton Are you asking how large my strings are?
 
5:12 AM
No.
 
I'm confused, you can fit as much data in an std::string as you have memory (or address space) for.
 
The largest memory block the allocator can allocate.
 
@Mysticial So what happens if I try to copy a string that that that much data in it?
 
@LucDanton That I realize. It just didn't cross my mind.
 
Same goes for std::vector<T> and so on.
 
yiz
5:15 AM
or many string manipulation operations that requires extra memory
 
Most copy constructors would be noexcept if it werent for std::bad_alloc in fact.
So it's not too much of a surprise copy construction is taken for granted.
 
@LucDanton In point of fact, in quite a few cases when you run out of memory, they won't actually throw. On Windows, things will grind to a halt and the user will step in long before it actually gives up and throws. Depending on version, Linux can be even worse, such as randomly killing processes until that frees up enough memory. Much (most?) of what we do to deal with out of memory situations borders on fantasy.
 
Old news.
You can't tell from inside the language though. I'd rather not label noexcept which isn't.
 
Oh.
Damn, my PNG loader can't handle multiple DATA chunks.
 
@LucDanton Fair enough.
 
5:21 AM
It expects the first one to have all the data, which has been true for a lot of the cases I've dealt with...
WELP, time to do a bit of refactoring.
@JerryCoffin That all sounds... ... nightmarish, haha.
 
yiz
say 1 char = 2 bytes, 1MB = 500,000 char, 1 GB = 500,000,000
 
I'm a user of Boost.Exception, which amongst other features allow you to add any data to an exception object. Needless to say, that uses memory allocation. I've written so very fiddly parts where I need to keep track in my head of the normal path, the exception handling path, and the 'std::bad_alloc while handling an exception' path. It's not very fun, and I don't really plan on hitting std::bad_alloc or have any real need of 'handling' it.
 
@yiz You forgot the KB.
 
yiz
@MarkGarcia Thank you, I am such an idiot :'(
 
@yiz Compress those characters...
 
yiz
5:25 AM
not idea if you want to perform string operations on them
but for storage, yes
the classical speed, space trade off
 
I personally always viewed "out of memory" as a program bug, and it's my intention with Wide to terminate the program rather than throw an exception.
 
It's pretty silly to throw an exception if you're out of memory...
 
@DeadMG Kinda restricts the language to writing userland applications.
 
@LucDanton :O how so?
 
yiz
but then again when you are out of memory on ram you always have your 8TB harddrive for the swap space, but it will make your program as slow as hell
 
5:31 AM
Any kind of 'quick exit' arguably subverts RAII, too.
 
@LucDanton Even if you were kernel or embedded, what would you do on running out of memory that wouldn't be essentially terminating?
 
@yiz Really, that defeats the purpose of the program.
Swap is never useful unless you have a never-fail program.
Because execution speeds going from 100000 main loop cycles a second to 1 every ten seconds is just not worth it.
 
@DeadMG Can put the program in the starting state, e.g. assuming it only starts to grab memory at certain times and under certain conditions and it's okay to fail at those times.
 
There is always an explicit contract that - unless otherwise stated - your programs should run decently quickly.
 
@LucDanton Right, but if you're on a specific platform, then you can use a platform-specific API to know whether or not there's enough memory left before you start.
 
5:34 AM
I'd rather not if I can get away with it. Better to ask to be forgiven than for permission kind of deal (to be clear: that's a real guideline in software).
 
Blah...
 
I don't ask whether the filesystem is ready before I try to write either.
 
I probably agree in the general case
 
I can't use signed integers as my desired allocation number type. =/
 
yiz
@LucDanton yes you do
 
5:35 AM
C++ just doesn't agree with me.
 
but in this case, you're asking every user to pay a large penalty in both application complexity and run-time performance, in exchange for easier programming in a specific niche which doesn't really lend itself to exceptions anyway.
 
yiz
If it's not ready, the file system will tell you. You do not explicitly ask, but by doing a request to write, file system will tell you whether it is available
 
Application complexity?
 
it's surely easier to reason about a program that throws fewer exceptions rather than more.
 
You're comparing 'program will reset after out of mem' to 'program dies when out of mem'. That's comparing 'additional functionality after out of mem' to 'no more functionality after out of mem'.
I also have a tip for less application complexity: remove more features.
 
yiz
5:37 AM
better logic
 
right, but I seriously doubt that most applications will want to reset after out of memory
 
@JamesAnderson Embedded systems? What are you smoking? Trigraphs don't affect the program functionality or target system. They are effectively a character encoding for source files and a convenience for users missing certain keys on their keyboards. IBM lobbies against their deprecation because, supposedly, it allows them to avoid forcing their mainframe users to standardize on an EBCDIC text encoding. But a mainframe is the exact opposite of an embedded system. — Potatoswatter 13 mins ago
 
Then fine? Don't handle out of mem?
 
^^ IBM lobbies against the depreciation of trigrpahs?
 
@LucDanton Right, but even the theoretical possibility of throwing an exception has real penalties, even if it's never used.
 
yiz
5:39 AM
trigrpahs?
 
move_if_noexcept being a simple example
 
yiz
The more try/catch you have the slower your program will run
try/catch is great for debugging version
 
I can't say I've ever seen noticeable performance penalties with exceptions. That's mostly because I don't use them where the performance matters.
 
yiz
for real life high performing system, you probably do not want too many try catches
 
I'm skeptical. In any case I was just making a remark, not a plea. You can't and won't please everybody no matter which design you pick.
 
5:41 AM
I leaned in Bristol that some Standard types don't have noexcept move constructors, because some implementations wanted to allocate memory in their move constructors (wtf?).
 
@DeadMG wtf
 
Possibly so as to leave moved-from objects in a defined and useful state.
 
@LucDanton I absolutely agree with this. One of the reasons why, for example, I am specifying 8bit bytes, and such things. I absolutely think that there is a certain point where I define "too niche to support".
 
I think some servers and daemons and such do like to handle anything and everything, including out of mem still.
 
hmm
if you have a daemon and you want to go back to start, just create a new process and then terminate the existing one.
although I guess that you would certainly want to have some mechanism to handle cleaning up any non-process-local state in that circumstance
in any case, only the default allocator will have such behaviour- you could write a custom one that does throw an exception on allocation failure.
 
5:50 AM
anyone want to chat about MFC? )
 
yiz
@Klasik depends, if you are interested in the multithreaded MFC GUI, then yes, else GTFO
 
@yiz i'm interested all about MFC. i'm developing UI and want to make it as better by optimizing it.
 
@Mysticial Sounds highly suspect. Trigraphs were invented for keyboards/terminals that only support ISO 646, not for EBCDIC (which can encode the required characters directly).
 
6:15 AM
I have several things what I want to od with my program. but I don't know what is will me better. I can use edited tree control or list control with insertion of tree control. I'm thinking the edited tree control will be better. the standard tree control when selected highlights only text but not all line I want it all, and I want insert background image on main tree control item. maybe anyone can show me a way how i can do it? :)
 
6:49 AM
holy fuckshitties, it's so unbelievably confusing to deal with lvalues, rvalues, and overloads.
 
7:05 AM
@DeadMG Wait till they add dvalue for classes that are old and busted.
 
if I add dvalue to my own language it'll be my own fault
 
Xeo
Whatvalue?
 
7:20 AM
no idea
hmm, balls.
just realized my latest design for Wide requires copyability in some cases I really wish it didn't
 
@klasik MFC is a bad choice.
 
@BartekBanachewicz so u think I must start lerning c# with .net?
 
Given the choice, I'd rather create a C++/CLI wrapper for my library and build the GUI for it in C#, than use MFC.
 
feels so strange to think "My code is broken, need to rebuild" and then push "Run" instead of "Build"
 
@klasik or QT
 
7:35 AM
morning chaps
 
"1x faster" isn't much of an bonus! — Moo-Juice 1 min ago
 
alright
 
@Mysticial lol
 
i'm mess up with thous languages... there is a lot of kinds of those. that's sucks. I want fast working GUI program writen by Most powerful language. I must find out what the best solution will be. i do no nothing about qt, c#, .net. so i'm screwed up
 
GUI is a pita in C++
You can always write in Java :P
 
7:42 AM
@BartekBanachewicz I want fast working GUI program
 
what exactly do you want 'fast'
 
> note: couldn't deduce template parameter '<anonymous>'
Oh right, missing ....
 
@thecoshman the program must be fastest as its possible.
 
@Klasik because...
and in what way...
if you want it to be the very fastest possible, you would avoid using a full blown OS and instead make something dedicated to doing just your task. Write it to take full advantage of certain hardware. You wouldn't waste computing power with a GUI for sure. Actually, you probably wouldn't even use one computer, but take advantage of some sort of cloud computing service.
 
@thecoshman I don't like programs which eats cpu. i'm don't want just develop just for do. just want make it professionally.
 
7:50 AM
@ThePhD That's $1 per submission.
 
professionally? well in the case pure speed is not your primary concern. You would have to lay down some key performance and features. Do you really need your program to start an action with in 0.1 micro seconds of clicking a button? Professional software is about features, performance is not a concern until it proves it is.
 
mawning
 
> Do you really need your program to start an action with in 0.1 micro seconds of clicking a button?
 
moaning
 
Don't tell me what I should or shouldn't want!
moo'ning
 
7:54 AM
@StackedCrooked this has nothing to do with 'want' it is 'need' :P
 
I have an idea. plonk
 
Don't tell me what I need! God! Dammit!
 
You need sex!
l.o.l
 
.. can't deny that.
 
@StackedCrooked I am not, I was asking... and not you either :P
 
7:55 AM
GUI isn't going to be the biggest concern anyway, performance-wise.
 
@thecoshman true. but its not all about button clicking :)
 
Oxygen, pizza, beer. That's just about covered it.
 
+ Water for the hangover.
It's a necessary evil.
 
So I'm now at that point when I don't know what to do :)) screwed.
 
@Klasik further to my point, you are worrying about the wrong thing. Humans can tolerate a rather substantial delay between inputting data and seeing some form of feedback. Up to about a half second is reasonable for most things.
 
7:57 AM
cosh, I tried yesterday.
 
@Klasik well, did you actually have a program you wanted to make? or did you just want to play with GUI stuff?
 
Does the concept-lite paper have a name for things like is_eq that are not concepts in and of itself but useful for building actual concepts?
 
donno, haven't read that paper
 
I don't know, didn't attend any Evolution or Concepts meetings
 
> While some function calls in constraints are atomic propositions, calls to simple functions like Equality_comparable and Convertible are decomposed into their constituent parts. We call these kinds functions are constraint predicates.
Kinda sucks as a name.
 
8:00 AM
@thecoshman yes I have program. and I writed it on c++ and MFC... but such i'm new to the MFC... its hard to understand. i'm messing up with several things on that GUI.
 
Looking back, the specific issue of populating a tree view with nodes that arrive 'randomly' on different branches is one area where GUIs often to fail to keep up with streams of input.
 
@Klasik That's because MFC is the worst UI framework known to man.
 
hmm.. we are getting a talk from some clever sounding guy from GitHub about stuff relating to git and automation... cake!!!
@Klasik MFC is a very old, outdated, feature poor, obfuscated library. There are better options. But is the problem you are actually trying to solve, and do not just re-tell me that you are trying to use MFC, that is a means to an end (and not a very good end at that)
 
yiz
Why is MFC's spelling so close to KFC?
 
@DeadMG yes I see now when I'm started programing I do no nothing about it :)) sow I got the experience. I need find out what to use to develop my GUI
 
8:03 AM
Dead's Law of Code Generation: Whenever you change anything, it all goes to shit every single time.
 
@Klasik ¬_¬ btw, 'know' is the word want, not 'no'
 
@DeadMG The correct approach is to program like shit in the first place - then it can't get any worse on changes :)
 
lol
 
ffs it's going to be a detail namespace and everyone will like it
 
@Klasik Java is fast.
 
8:05 AM
@Klasik look, either start using a different GUI framework that does not suck balls, or stop winging about how shit MFC is.
 
@thecoshman The irony of you correcting someone else on their spelling
 
@BartekBanachewicz thx )) not that fast as c#
 
@DeadMG I was going to go on, but the more I looked, the worse it got
 
@thecoshman thx ) my English is low, but as u guys see I can understand what we talking about, and that's fine for me.
 
@Klasik depends. As, execution speed is not the only concern
@Klasik yeah, but we are having to work real hard to understand you.
and we have a low tolerance for shit as it is
 
8:08 AM
@Klasik what? Can you prove it?
 
My tolerance has decreased over time being in this room :/
 
@thecoshman i'm sorry about that :) its hard when u know 4 languages
 
@Klasik More importantly, can you prove that every program you are ever going to write will be slower in Java than in C#
 
@BartekBanachewicz yes. java working on virtual engine...
 
@Klasik and C# is, I guess, not?
 
8:09 AM
@TonyTheLion don't worry, we can beat the rest out of you!
 
@Klasik So does C#.
 
@thecoshman hahaha, I'm sure you can :/
 
@Klasik and...
 
@DeadMG wo wo... I must google ;DD
 
Yeah, @Klasik, what is your concern? There are a few GUI operations that will cause an issue no matter what framework you use. Populating a treeview component with, say, several disks-full of folder trees is one example. On Windows, the GUI input queue will get stuffed full of 10000 messages faster than you can say 'shit, this is fucked'.
 
8:10 AM
the fact that you don't even know this
proves that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about
 
@Klasik no. You should do that before even starting this discussion
 
and never actually checked the performance of anything.
 
because right now, as puppy said, you lost all credibility
 
16 mins ago, by Tony The Lion
I have an idea. plonk
this ^ guys
 
is a really deep swamp.
 
8:10 AM
@TonyTheLion I am beginning to appreciate this position.
 
@BartekBanachewicz ... and his using MFC was ok?
 
46 mins ago, by Bartek Banachewicz
@klasik MFC is a bad choice.
 
noobs obsessed with ~~~purrrformance~~~~
 
@TonyTheLion nah, for the now I'm just fine with this... but he's on thin ice :P
 
Xeo
8:11 AM
Alright, worky time.
Or rather, AS3 time. :<
 
oh :/
 
@Xeo he says as he enters the lounge...
 
I have to create tests for this code I wrote, it's a pain in the butt
 
@TonyTheLion you've been that for a while now right? or are you testing your testing?
 
@TonyTheLion I have to create tests for the code I didn't write :)
 
8:12 AM
@Xeo Sanity check for Nullable<T>: DefaultConstructible, Dereferenceable, ContextuallyConvertibleToBool?
 
@thecoshman no, this is new tests for another feature
@BartekBanachewicz hahah
 
@LucDanton Comparable to and constructible from nullptr.
 
@LucDanton seems ok.
 
I don't like that.
 
@DeadMG uh?
 
8:13 AM
Also the constructible bit is dubious. Let me check the latest optional proposal.
 
@MartinJames so then I need find out language that has a lot info in internet, and not hard to learn.
 
(To clarify: this is Nullable, not NullablePointer!)
 
yeah, optional has it's own special nullptr which is nullptr in every respect but specific to optional.
 
> Renamed tag emplace to in_place based on feedback from LEWG.
Damn you!
 
hey, I wasn't there for most of optional, I was presenting N3573 in LWG
 
Xeo
8:15 AM
@LucDanton Is Nullable your concept, or should it be modelled after standard Nullable Pointer?
 
@DeadMG lol not you
 
^^
 
@Xeo Generalization. Big motivation is getting rid of the nullptr crap.
 
@LucDanton To be honest, I think that a kind of null<T> is the better solution.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG It's a concept, not a thing
 
8:16 AM
where null<T*> == nullptr
@Xeo I know.
 
@Klasik For GUI, VS/C# is OK-ish. I use Delphi, but any IDE with a good form designer and reasonable compiler is fairly easy to pick up.
 
Oh yeah, not only is std::optional not constructible from, it's also not comparable with nullptr. I missed that change, I don't think it's recent.
@DeadMG Meh. I guess I could change DefaultConstructible to ValueConstructible to be precise though.
Time to check what std::is_constructible does. Again.
 
@Klasik you do realise you are really tiring people. If you have a specific question, ask it on SO, if you just want to read up on stuff, go Google it. Do not bore us with "I'm new and want to use stuff but don't know how good stuff is", There are far too many boring options for us to go through with you. Pick a language and libraries that help solve your problem, do not shoe-horn the problem into a language and framework that you fancied using.
 
Ignore me, I'm dumb sometimes.
 
@Klasik that's still Java
It's fast, it's damn easy to make GUIs with, has a lot of tutorials and libraries and a big community.
 
8:19 AM
dude
 
don't ever recommend Java
 
std::is_default_constructible<T>() is std::is_constructible<T>() is really checking for value construction. Typical.
 
what's wrong with you
 
he's Bartek
 
8:19 AM
Screw default construction anyway.
 
that's whats wrong
 
I am merely giving him a language meeting all his reqs.
he didn't say he want a language that's I dunno, pleasant to work with.
 
@BartekBanachewicz and its cross-platform :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz (secretly agree with you a little bit too)
 
the problem is that you can only make shit GUIs, using shit tutorials and with shit libraries and a terrible community.
 
8:20 AM
template<typename T> struct ValueConstructible
// Sic.
: std::is_default_constructible<Type<T>> {};
 
user142019
@BartekBanachewicz C# meets all of his needs and doesn't suck.
 
so I'm finding hard to see that actually meeting requirements
 
@rightfold I didn't disrecommend C#
 
Xeo
@LucDanton What other construction did you expect? Also, does it really make any difference if you check for T e; or T e{};?
 
@DeadMG not all Java libraries are shitty, just like not all Java developers are complete retards
 
user142019
8:21 AM
You did recommend Java, thereby enlarging the chance of him eventually committing suicide.
 
@Xeo I would think it's not outlandish to expect std::is_default_constructible to check for default construction.
 
also most of C++ libraries is shitty.
so what?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Presumably, not all Java libraries are shitty, but you'd have to work to find one.
whereas at least if you went to C# and used WPF, it's not that shitty.
 
@DeadMG the same stands for a C++ library
 
Ahahaha Java GUI libraries not being shitty
That's a new one
 
8:22 AM
er, not really
 
yes. "C is usable from C++" disease
 
If you want to use Java, use C#
4
 
and singletons.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Making GUIs is fairly trivial, in Java, VS, Delphi or whatever, as long as IDE form designer is not totally broken. Copying components onto forms, sizing, aligning is just easy. OK, then you have to write code, but that's gonna be the same no matter what language is used to implement the non-GUI functionality. I would prefer C# to Java.
 
singletons are far worse in Java, and there are plenty of decent libraries written in C++
 
8:23 AM
@DeadMG just like there are plenty of decent libraries for Java
 
well this discussion escalated quickly
 
name one single library for Java that does not suck
 
This discussion is retarded
 
@Xeo I did manage to hit a pathological case when implementing optional once but I'm having trouble remembering.
 
@DeadMG GL bindings
 
8:23 AM
@TonyTheLion exactly why I didn't join in
 
Oh, it should be in the optional paper in fact. Sec.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Which ones?
 
@thecoshman yea lets converse about something else
 
@BartekBanachewicz The OGL API sucks, and the only bindings I've seen for it in Java suck even harder.
 
user142019
GL bindings? Isn't that just like… the same in every language?
 
8:24 AM
@rightfold no
 
@rightfold not exactly
 
@rightfold As far as I can see. The suckiness of the OGL API is language-independent :P
 
user142019
Oh. :v
 
@DeadMG too bad I can't show you these confidential PDFs with proposed changes :<
 
eh
fuck proposed changes
 
user142019
8:25 AM
@DeadMG Spring :trollface:
 
can propose whatever changes you like
 
@Xeo Oh, it's actually for assignment. You're right, value construction is likely available iff default construction is. It's o = {} that can get tricky.
 
they have relatively high change of getting to 5.0
 
user142019
I propose the library switches to Scala.
 
hell, I propose the entire of Wide.
 
8:25 AM
"library switches"?
 
Proposal rejected
 
@DeadMG -1 not recognized by industry
 
lol
 
Fuck the industry
 
@rightfold Java for example does not actually have any 'native' access to gl, it basically use the C interface via JNI, which is brilliant way to make Java even slower, but sadly the only way it can get the direct hardware access required for gl
 
8:26 AM
I propose switching from Broadside to Hobgoblin.
 
@CatPlusPlus You forgot 'NAD'.
 
user142019
Java is not recognized by me.
 
yeah well java sucks.
but I still think that some people would be better off with it
 
especially because transition Java -> C# is relatively painless compared to C++ -> C#
 
8:27 AM
@LucDanton A what?
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Can you create a case where default construction is available, but not value construction?
 
Found what @sehe has being with him self; 'snow'
 
@BartekBanachewicz Or you can skip the transition and just use C# maybe I don't know
 
@Xeo Don't think so, but I'm not reading 8.5 again.
 
@thecoshman so much cocaine
 
Xeo
8:27 AM
@LucDanton heh
 
@Xeo Isn't it the definition of value construction to be default construction for all sane types, and then not stupid for non-sane types?
 
@CatPlusPlus I can understand people using Linux or Mac and not having a nice IDE. Remember, we were talking about GUIs
 
@CatPlusPlus 'Not A Defect' is a running joke when it comes to closing C++ issues. Or at least is it to me.
 
Because generally fuck everything that's not cross-compiler and cross-platform
 
Xeo
Misread...
 
8:29 AM
Yes C# is not cross-platform at all
 
I never heard of Mono
 
I don't know, I've never used Mono
 
Also what the fuck is cross-compiler
 
@CatPlusPlus gosh, "working on more than one compiler"
 
obviously it's a compiler whose logo is a cross.
 
8:29 AM
It's better than a cross linker, but not much.
 
maybe it's a compiler that compiles crosses
 
What if there's only one compiler for the language
 
@CatPlusPlus fuck that language.
 
:lol:
 
hey
 
8:30 AM
Yeah that makes sense
 
@DeadMG really?
 
Wide is awesome, even though there is only one compiler for it
 
no, really, if it's based on LLVM it's kinda ok
since it's OpenSource
 
user142019
You don't need cross-compilation for C#.
 
Why am I even participating in this retarded discussion
 
8:30 AM
@DeadMG ¬_¬ come back when it is usable
 
but if it has only one homebrew something, I wouldn't really use it
 
user142019
You compile it to byte code.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Can it add integers yet?
 
Back to Supernatural fuck programming
 
@thecoshman Yes, I have never heard of that thing that I just named in a context such that in order for naming it to make sense, I would have to know what it is.
 
8:30 AM
@Xeo burn :P
 
@Xeo No, but I am literally just about to add that feature after I get dressed.
 
@rightfold is .NET and Mono bytecode compatible?
 
user142019
@Xeo through C++.
 
@DeadMG ahaha. good one.
 
user142019
8:31 AM
@BartekBanachewicz Of course.
 
what?
 
Xeo
@BartekBanachewicz Isn't the byte-code part of the standard... ?
 
It is
 
@Xeo I don't really know. That's why I am asking.
 
@DeadMG it's a cross platform open source runtime for .net (I think .net in general... honestly do not fully understand the .net thing, and don't really want to)
 
8:31 AM
If you think that C# is mature enough on Linux and Mac to be used painlessly then ok
 
Entire CLI is defined
 
@BartekBanachewicz that's the idea
 
user142019
You can take a .exe generated by mcs and run it on Windows without Mono.
 
I have to unpin and get rid of this tab
 
@thecoshman /sarcasm
 
8:32 AM
@DeadMG /¬_¬
 
Xeo
@thecoshman /(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
anyway, now Terra is out I doubt I will learn C# in any near future :P
well, save from uni classes
so far C# was a bit more pleasant than Java to use.
I think the part that annoys me the most about C# and Java is new
 
I am used to Ro0 and the fact that everything default-constructs itself
 
Xeo
s/default-//
 
8:35 AM
inorite
 
@Xeo "does some magic to be in valid state"
@DeadMG wha.
 
user142019
Even if the only difference between C# and Java was var then that would be a huge reason to use C# instead of Java.
 
XNA left me very bitter towards C#
it's kind of like if every time you have a cake, you get beat up
 
Heh.
That is sad.
 
Sanity check: I can't declare a constexpr function right? Have to use the trick of making it a static member function of a class.
 
8:40 AM
Hmm....
Why could you not declare a free function constexpr?
Is that really not allowed?
 
@LucDanton sounds right to me
 
Xeo
@LucDanton Uhm, I think you can, actually?
 
well, I assume you mean you can't declare an member function constexpr
 
user142019
> declare
 
Xeo
Clang and GCC atleast don't complain, and I remember reading that you can.
 
I'm not sure what I was thinking of here.
 
I desired to use qt
 
user142019
Then do so.
 
@thecoshman You most assuredly can.
and in C++14, they don't even have to be const.
 
@rightfold hahah
 

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