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8:00 PM
@Tuntuni your guess is as good as mine as to why your code doesn't work. Set up a debugger
@Tuntuni that spelling O_O
 
@TonyTheLion Even if I did, there's nothing to debug as I did everything from the designer.
@TonyTheLion You jelly? :3
 
@Tuntuni I don't know. I'm no GUI person
 
@TonyTheLion Hmm, den I nead moar Google.
 
So today is my first time using Qt
 
@Rapptz Woot, mine too.
 
8:01 PM
This thing is a nightmare :(
 
QtBuddies
lol
 
@Rapptz oh phun
 
@Rapptz Why?
 
@Tuntuni Make your first project
 
@Rapptz Done.
 
8:02 PM
Do you not think of this as a nightmare :(
 
Erm.. no lol. :D
New Qt Gui Application.
What's so hard?
 
I don't even know wtf this ui_MainWindow file is
 
Well you just started.
Gotta get used to it.
 
Have you tried making anything with it yet?
 
yeah, i'm messing with it
 
8:05 PM
and I don't mean the QtGui header :S
 
what do you mean then?
 
What project did you make? o.o
 
i'll send a pic
Messing around basically.
Watching some online tuts
cba to read anything right now
 
Don't worry, there is nothing to read.
 
haha
 
user142019
8:07 PM
$ alias ermahgerd=emerge
 
@Rapptz Are you watching any tuts? I'm currently here.
 
No.
 
His tutorials aren't that great. Much of it is simplified but for a start, they'll do.
They're quite short too (most of them).
 
I can't watch video tutorials
 
@Rapptz Why not?
 
8:09 PM
They're awful 99/100 times.
 
Lol, well there's nothing to read so
I'm enjoying the framework so far, really easy and straightforward to use.
 
@TonyTheLion he just has to finish uni
also consider that maybe IRL he isn't as grumpy; he's merely spilling the beans here
 
Ell
Is there any online code sharing website wherein you can have multiple files together?
 
Ell
Right
 
8:12 PM
@Tuntuni I like WPF/WinForms better.
 
@Rapptz Is that for Windows only?
 
Yes
 
@BartekBanachewicz you think the day he finishes Uni he will magically ungrump?
 
@Tuntuni video tutorials are in general crappy. Don't mistake with lectures like STL's Core C++
@TonyTheLion I will.
 
@Rapptz Qt is cross-platform. Even though I don't make apps for Linux but I like when stuff is portable.
 
8:14 PM
@BartekBanachewicz that reply doesn't fit the question
 
WPF and WinForms is easy and fun.
 
uh if not for uni I would have time to learn
 
@BartekBanachewicz Indeed they are. STL is awesome, I've downloaded all of those series. He's my #1 programmer.
He knows his shit.
 
@TonyTheLion I think that university can well have such a negative impact on someone
@Rapptz I wouldn't want something that works on one OS either
 
@BartekBanachewicz Mah nigga.
 
8:15 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Yea that may be true, but there is always two sides to a story. So the question becomes what did you do to make it have such a negative impact on you?
 
One thing I love about OpenGL is that it will work even on my washing machine
 
@BartekBanachewicz On a side note, I never considered portability to be such an important feature.
 
user142019
I was a creature before I could stand.
 
@TonyTheLion I didn't do anything. It just is there, taking my time, showing me that knowledge is irrelevant, showing me how dumb and lazy people are
 
Yeah well, I wouldn't make a GUI for Linux anyway.
:|
 
8:16 PM
@Rapptz iOS. Mac OS. Android. Ubuntu Phone
 
I don't care about any of these
 
user142019
iOS and OS X aren't Linux.
 
user142019
They're OS X.
 
@rightfold I know they aren't
 
user142019
Based on Darwin.
 
8:17 PM
no shit.
he said he wouldn't make one for linux
I enumerated other important OSes right now
 
user142019
Android and Ubuntu Phone are Linux.
 
because let's face it, Windows is no longer the big game.
or it is, but the other platforms are getting more relevant
@rightfold w/e
 
Ell
@rightfold android is barely linux
 
@BartekBanachewicz What do you mean by "knowledge is irrelevant"?
 
user142019
( Í¡° ͜ʖ Í¡°)
 
8:19 PM
Windows quite still dominates the desktop market.
 
Ell
android is tiny linux with huge java stack
 
@Rapptz Yup.
 
@BartekBanachewicz of course, it was always the other guy. Easy way out is to blame the other side.
nice escape
 
user142019
Man.
 
user142019
Perl is really nice.
 
user142019
8:19 PM
Don't know why people hate it.
 
@Tuntuni you don't have to know anything, it's only important how many tricks you know WRT passing
@TonyTheLion what? how can I not blame it on the other side. Example: I love my work. That's because great people work there.
 
@rightfold [troll] Because ponies use it. [/troll]
 
Ell
I want to go to uni for the life experience
 
@rightfold because it's terrible
 
Ell
I want to get drunk a lot and party a lot and have lot's of casual sex. But I don't think I'll get the grades :/
@BartekBanachewicz Here is my code: gist.github.com/elliotpotts/cfda4d82dd624be4e8fd . I know I have uploaded a lot, the relevant bit is in the main file, the other bits are just in case you need them :P
 
8:21 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Ah, like that. Yeah, that's true. :( This guy from my class is such an idiot and always gets away with shit. He barely passed the 1st grade but eh .. Don't know how people like those manage to enroll into good schools.
 
user142019
They see me programmin' in Perl.
They hatin'.
 
Ell
Only if you have time, obviously
 
@Rapptz point is the desktop market is much smaller than mobile market as of now, IIRC.
 
Ell
Maybe for consumers, is that true for commercial/industry though?
 
@Ell Emphasis on sex, huh?
 
Ell
8:22 PM
@Tuntuni emphasis on all three :L
 
@BartekBanachewicz you could try to be responsible and do something about the fact that Uni is having such an negative effect on you. Sitting around and blaming them for the fact you're not having a good time of it, is not helping anyone. See my point?
 
@Ell We all know that's not true. :D
 
Ell
@Tuntuni Haha! I don't know, sex has an uncomfortable amount of power over me :O
 
@Ell I think those are the wrong reasons to go to Uni.
 
@TonyTheLion what do you propose WRT "doing something about the fact"? The only thing I can do is escape it ASAP, either by passing or by getting mentally ill
 
8:23 PM
@Ell Naughty boy.
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion I do too. But they are the reasons I want to. The other reason is apparently most jobs require a degree
which is crazy. IMHO the point of a degree is that it is for the very intelligent people
 
@Ell Yes, if you want a nice job then a degree definitely helps
 
@Ell so did or did not ortho work?
 
user142019
I'm already happy with a job as carpenter right now.
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz It didn't, I'm not sure the parameters are right though
 
8:25 PM
also normally people go to Uni to learn something, if you don't want to learn or think they cannot teach you anything, then don't even consider going
 
Ell
glm::ortho(-1.0f, 1.0f, -1.0f, 1.0f, 0.001f, 1000.0f);
 
I mean, otherwise its a waste of your parent's money
 
@TonyTheLion Isn't that sad though. :( But yeah, I suppose they can't waste time on testing each person individually so the degree is something like a filter to ease the job.
 
Ell
@TonyTheLion Oh no, of course I think I can learn from it, I'm not "above that", I just think that an alternative would be better suited to me
 
don't go under false pretenses
 
8:25 PM
@TonyTheLion I don't take any money from my parents FYI.
 
Ell
I'm looking into doing an apprenticeship
 
@Ell looks ok.
 
Ell
I also do want very much to learn
 
user142019
You learn more if you have a job.
 
Ell
but I also want a job
 
8:26 PM
@BartekBanachewicz right, well then you're wasting your own money
 
Ell
and I'm sick of being at school
 
I have a fear of not getting a job.
 
Ell
seriously. I'm ready to leave right now
 
@TonyTheLion yeah I prolly am. But Intel requires at least BSc from me.
 
Ell
but I also have Tuntunis fear :P
 
user142019
8:26 PM
Companies are crying for programmers.
 
Ell
@rightfold like who?
 
@Ell :D
 
user142019
They would take you even if you want them to suck your cock first at the interview.
 
LOL
 
it's funny but true
 
Ell
8:27 PM
@rightfold Seriously who. I want a job this summer :L
 
I really hope that's true (not in a gay way).
 
Ell
I hope it's true. And I hope the interviewer is a smokin' hot redhead
 
Redheads ...
 
user142019
@Ell if you can show off that you can program try to find a company run by somebody you know or a friend of your knows.
 
Mother of god, Ell, nailed it
 
8:27 PM
@rightfold yep they are, but a lot want people with a degree
 
user142019
Friend owns company = instant job. :P
 
because it shows you can achieve something and get something done
and hopefully have learned the basics
of compsci or whatever
 
user142019
It shows that you can undergo the pain of going to university.
 
lol
 
oh you're enduring it
 
8:29 PM
well everything has a good and a bad side. uni can't always be fun
 
user142019
@TonyTheLion wrong word I guess.
 
because its so painful to have to learn something
 
sometimes you'll have to learn stuff you don't really want to or need
 
Ell
@rightfold maybe I need to program first :3
 
@TonyTheLion No, that's wrong. E.g. I LOVE math, physics, cs, etc. but I can't stand stupid history or geography.
 
user142019
8:30 PM
Nobody at my job had a degree. :P
 
Those two are just memorizing years, dates and facts.
Fuck that
 
Ell
Geography isn't that
 
user142019
Well, except perhaps for the PR guy but I don't know him that well.
 
Ell
nor is history actually
 
(at least that's how it is here. i bet that if we had better professors, i'd be more interested)
 
Ell
8:30 PM
but geography moreso
@rightfold How did you show that you could program?
 
user142019
Man. It's cold as fuck.
 
@Ell i can't stand our history teacher. it is fucking hard. on the last exam no one got more than a C.
 
user142019
@Ell GitHub/Stack Overflow IIRC.
 
user142019
But yeah I knew the guy quite well so.
 
Heh.
 
8:31 PM
The entire Montreal metro is down. Again. It appears it's due to a "computer problem".
 
user142019
@EtiennedeMartel go fix it.
 
integer overflow
 
user142019
You're the local computer expert.
 
user142019
Because you're a programmer.
 
user142019
So you immediately know how to fix every technical thing ever.
 
8:32 PM
Software engineering is mostly boring and frustrating. Endless rounds of debugging, bugfixing and system testing, often working for days without making any useful progress or learning anything about some problem. Sound familiar?
 
user142019
Write bugless code.
 
@MartinJames But the satisfaction you get when you figure something out? Priceless.
 
but it also poses interesting challenges
which is why I do it
 
@Tuntuni Yeah - just like passing finals.
 
8:33 PM
@rightfold Reality? Heard of it?
 
@MartinJames That too. :D
 
user142019
$fs{$route->[0]}->($route->[1] => $route->[2]); lol Perl
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz can you think of anything off the top of your head causing a problem?
 
"I was watching this tutorial on friday night xD" - holy shit. must be a cool one
 
user142019
@Ell the empty list.
 
user142019
8:35 PM
topOf $ head [] -- whoops, problem
 
You can write as much bugless code as you want - someone else will have screwed up the protocol, hardware, database, network etc. etc, and you will have to prove it's not your code causing the problem. So, endless rounds of debugging, bugfixing and system testing, often working for days without making any useful progress or learning anything about some problem.
 
What is this topic?
 
user142019
Lounge<C++> has no topic.
 
Oh. OK
 
user142019
Talk about whatever you want, as long as it's unrelated to C++.
 
user1182183
8:37 PM
hm, if I'm linking against a static library of which the source is GPLv2, can I sell my software without giving the source?
 
std::cout << "A break!" << std::endl;
 
Aparrently, we are stuck, thinking inside a box, like some zombie cat.
 
Hahaha Schrodinger's cat joke!
std::cout << Lounge<C++>.size() << std::endl;
 
user142019
Needs moar << '\n'.
 
using namespace std;
cout << "\nTrue" << endl;
 
8:39 PM
Not over fond of cats. If I was Schrodinger, I would have put the box through a wood shredder. "The cat is now dead with a high degree of certainty".
 
Ell
@ThePet I don't think so
 
I had a cat, got her fixed, and she ran away
 
user1182183
@Ell damn ;f
 
user142019
TEN DAYS LEFT TILL FORTAROCK XL ZOMFGÜBERWTFPWNBBQMSGCREAM.
 
Anyway, it's yeast extract time, BFN.
 
8:43 PM
@rightfold Is '\n' a real replacement for std::endl? Is std::endl implementation defined or is it guaranteed to be '\n'?
 
user142019
std::endl will flush.
 
user142019
'\n' probably will too if you do line buffering but meh.
 
Ya, I read that yesterday. :)
But is it really a replacement?
 
user142019
It's not the same thing.
 
user1182183
at least the other library is zlib which I like and is easy to understand.. what the fuck is even GPL ? why does it exist ~.~
 
user142019
8:45 PM
GPL is bad and takes away your freedom.
 
hey all
long time no see :)
@ba
 
Ell
hi :)
 
@BartekBanachewicz! Came by to ask you what was the "Game dev" city you talked to me about once!
Was somewhere in Holland or such?
 
user142019
@GigaBass IGAD?
 
No idea what that might be
It was a regular city's name
 
user142019
8:47 PM
Breda?
 
Like, Vancouver or something. Thing is I have no idea what it was anymore
 
user142019
That's not in Holland.
 
Ell
Damn >.< now nothing works xD
 
user142019
It never did.
 
user142019
So don't worry.
 
8:53 PM
@GigaBass that's in Canada, I guess.
or that's the only one I can recall
@MikeWarren don't use using namespace std
 
Hah, nevermind then, thanks xD (Didn't say it was in Holland, was the example of a "regular city name")
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz with identity matrixes, I get a black screen when I set the z values to >1.0f
Does this have any significance?
(Z is "through" the screen, correct?)
 
@Ell that is correct behaviour
 
Ell
right
 
Why did Qt reinvent the STL?
 
Ell
8:57 PM
@Tuntuni There was no STL back then
iirc
 
Because STL didn't exist
 
Xeo
@Tuntuni Check when Qt first came out
 
Oh, that's right.
 
well Qt got bad luck
since it was STL which shaped stdlib not Qt
 
user142019
STL is a file format for 3D imagery.
 
Ell
8:59 PM
My matrices work fine when it's just glm::translate which means setting uniforms is right
 

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