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4:00 PM
@EtiennedeMartel lol. is it really that good?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sure -- at least in theory. In reality, in some cases the upper bound seems to be so high it's almost meaningless though. NT 4 had some truly horrible worst-case behavior for disk thrashing, and (for those old enough to remember it) some versions of OS/2 were even worse in a few specific cases.
 
@Tuntuni yes
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah, thrashing is awful.
 
@BartekBanachewicz ehh, my sister watches it (3 years old).
 
@JerryCoffin You can't include disk thrashing and such things in the complexity analysis.
 
4:01 PM
template <typename...TT,int index>
using get = typename std::tuple_element<std::tuple<TT...>, index>::type;

Wont seem to work with ctp tough :/
 
@DeadMG I won't bow down to that! wheels::Invoke<std::tuple_element<std::tuple<T...>, N>>.
 
algorithmic complexity is about how many operations you are consuming- the number other programs are consuming is irrelevant.
 
@DavidKron CTP does not support template aliases.
@DeadMG See! Fuck your context :P
 
else, you would have to argue that all operations are O(inf) because the operating system may refuse to schedule your thread from running for an infinite duration.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Kill me
 
4:03 PM
yes, it's particularly worthless
algorithmic complexity is "The number of operations I require", not whether or not you're going to get that number.
 
You can argue that all operations are O(inf), and I will agree.
 
I couldn't resist 5€ CDs today.
 
you still buy CDS?
wat dafuq is wrong with you?
 
I buy CDs as well.
 
I doubt you're older than Jerry
^^
 
4:04 PM
Jerry, being Yoda, is over 900 years old.
6
 
@DeadMG Why wouldn't I?
 
@ScottW He's in his 30s.
 
@DeadMG Yes, you can. It's fairly common to assume some idealized model in which you can/will ignore all the factors that keep things from being really simple. The mere fact that it's common doesn't mean you can't do more thorough analysis if you want.
 
Bought some Dream Theater, Massive Attack and Morcheeba today.
 
@Morwenn You could legally stream it for free, for example, or just torrent it.
 
@ScottW Two weeks ago.
 
@DeadMG I do not care. I love CDs. And I can't stream in my car.
 
template <typename...TT,int index>
class helper
{typedef std::tuple_element<std::tuple<TT...>, index>::type get;};
syntax error : missing ';' before identifier 'get'
:/
 
@DavidKron Needs typename.
 
And I have a band. If I don't buy some CDs, who would buy ours
 
4:06 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Already tried didnt help
 
@JerryCoffin Firstly, I think that my point about algorithmic complexity only including the operations you need, not how many are available, is important. But secondly, even if you disagree, you surely can't disagree that if you do include those things then the result is a completely worthless O(inf) for every operation.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes typedef typename...
 
@DeadMG Meh, not the same thing. You don't get to have the CDs if you do that.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You don't have to lug them around, you don't have to have an optical drive to make them useful, you don't have to deal with them getting scratched/lost/etc
 
Right, as I said, not the same thing.
(I don't lug them around; I only use them once)
 
4:07 PM
template <typename...TT,int index>
class helper
{typedef typename std::tuple_element<std::tuple<TT...>, index>::type get;};
syntax error : missing ';' before identifier 'get'
 
@Tuntuni it's great
 
@ScottW lol
 
firstly
the CTP is a technology preview
 
@DavidKron Did you #include <tuple>?
 
And I already download and stream so much music compared to what I buy...
 
4:08 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes ofc lol
 
if you do something with it and the compiler does not work correctly then you can go suck a dick because that's what it being a preview means
and secondly
kindly stop dumping every single syntax error in the chat
 
Guess its the ctp trolling
 
@ScottW Critical strike.
 
@DeadMG Meh, I have used MS CTPs for years, but this one has the worst quality ever.
 
@EtiennedeMartel Yeah, that guy went limp. :O
 
4:10 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes I agree, it was particularly buggy and unuseful. They likely rushed it out to meet their deadline of when they promised.
 
@DeadMG It's fair enough to account for only those operations involved in the algorithm being analyzed. But, 1) it's also fair to try to analyze a complete system, and 2) no, that doesn't necessarily lead to O(inf) for every operation. It simply means you need to do more thorough and careful analysis, and (typically) more complete specification of the system, so you can know whether thrashing (for example) will get involved in a particular case or not.
 
@DavidKron do you have November update?
 
@JerryCoffin Well, if the kernel crashes, or the power is cut, then any operation which you are in the middle of will halt indefinitely.
 
-1
Q: Missing identifier even though it's defined one line above?

DogLet's see this trivial Java program: class A { public static void main(String[] args) { int а = 2; System.out.println("a " + a); } } It creates the variable a initialized to 2, and prints it. However, it doesn't compile: $ javac A.java && java A A.java:4: cannot find symbol symbol : variable a location: class A System.out.println("a " + a); ...

Sigh.
 
Also today is my 400th day on SO
 
4:11 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Of the compiler? Then yes, Nov 2012 CTP
 
@DavidKron and v120 toolkit. ok.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Amateur.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh my
 
Maybe someone else can give it a try and se if its just me?
 
Woot, I now have more upvotes in than .
 
4:13 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes obviously. But soon I'll take over the world and
 
@BartekBanachewicz v120 toolkit?
 
I don't have one upvote in .
 
@DavidKron v120_November_CTP_Preview_You_will_regret_using_it
 
It was edited by several people, we have people of many ethnic backgrounds here. I guess you could say people's locales/text editors/OS are playing a joke. — Dog 7 mins ago
 
or something like that
 
user142019
4:14 PM
Gah.
 
user142019
Why does Git have so many dependencies.
 
lol, what a messy environment.
 
@DeadMG Okay -- if you want to go at it from that direction, nothing ever works at all, so analyzing algorithms is pointless. Realistically, I think there's a substantial difference between (for example) ignoring virtual memory for your QuickSort, and ignoring it for allocation where we know it's likely to be involved.
 
@DavidKron check in project options
 
user142019
Now I have Python 2.7.3 installed twice lolwat.
 
4:14 PM
@BartekBanachewicz yeah "Microsoft Visual C++ Compiler Nov 2012 CTP (v120_CTP_Nov2012)"
And i compiled it with --extrashitty
 
@BartekBanachewicz Nonsense -- I've used it and don't regret doing so at all. No, I wouldn't depend on it for anything but experimentation, but then that's really its only intent anyway.
 
@rightfold How can you fuck that up?
Hmm, I can get a badge if I start spamming answers.
 
user142019
Installing Portage installed Python 2.7.3 and so did installing Git, but installing Portage installed it as python2 and Git installed it as python2.7.
 
4:18 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes "process marshalling"? Sounds like a Xen thing to re-start the process on another machine if somebody does pull the plug on this one... :-)
 
@rightfold I'm going to preemptively say "you suck".
 
@rightfold Version hell: welcome to it.
 
user142019
Yes, but you always say I suck no matter what.
 
@JerryCoffin Right. But there's a middle ground here. When you write an allocator, it's going to be about the general case speedups and average times, not about the absolute worst cases.
 
@rightfold What you really mean with that?
Do you mean you have two executables with those names?
 
4:19 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Made a completely new project only containing what i mentioned before and i get exactly the same error
 
user142019
Yes.
 
What does equery list *python* show?
@rightfold Dumbass. It's the same.
 
user142019
zsh: command not found: equery
 
user142019
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD‌​D
 
user142019
Oh.
 
4:20 PM
@DeadMG Fair enough -- it is, however, fairly typical that the time to allocate a block will depend on the size of that block. Although it may be difficult to quantify with any precision, we can generally expect that allocating a little memory will be faster than allocating a lot of memory.
 
I have python, python3, python3.2, python2, and python2.7 executables, but three of those are just links.
So yeah, you suck.
@ThePhD There's no version issue there, other than Zoidberg's confusuion.
 
@DeadMG The exact relationship may be a little hard to predict, but it's fairly easy to say that in most cases, allocation time is not constant regardless of size.
 
@rightfold when you have both Py2 and Py3 you can use eselect python to pick the default one (the one that gets symlinked as python). python2 will always be a link to the latest Py2, and python3 a link to the latest Py3.
 
@DavidKron CTP variadics are broken
 
what's CTP again?
the interim VS?
 
4:23 PM
Community Technology Preview.
 
"Compiler technology preview"
oh
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit Basically, some random nightly build they published.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yep, got it - brain failed to connect the acronym to the thing
Well, almost failed.
:)
 
@TonyTheLion Help me fix them :/
 
4:25 PM
I can't fix them
 
@rightfold actually, I think you can actually keep various Py2 interpreters around. eselect python --python2 can be used to pick which one gets symlinked as python2.
 
MSVC isn't open source
 
It works quite nicely.
 
@JerryCoffin meh, I was kidding.
Also I just helped someone with fixed pipeline problem
 
@TonyTheLion I meant more of a workaround
 
4:26 PM
I don't know if I should feel bad or good.
 
bint
 
We all love em workarounds
 
@DavidKron I'm not very good at templates
 
Hey anywhere i can send bugreports for the CTP?
 
> On the old comp.std.c++ Usenet list, I made a suggestion about adding the ability to move basic_strings into and out-of basic_stringstreams. I'm considering making this an actual C++ proposal, so I wanted to gauge the interest in doing this.
Neat.
 
4:28 PM
@TonyTheLion Well, if we are lucky it wont be a preview anymore when Blue releases wich shouldnt be to far away
 
user142019
Yay I can set the brightness of my keyboard.
 
@DavidKron what is Blue?
 
Windows 8.1
 
Codename blue
 
4:29 PM
I'm still using Win 7
 
Windows is going to make more frequent releases now
 
@DavidKron 8.1??
 
@DavidKron so they can be even more shitty
 
@BartekBanachewicz Either that or just more stable
 
My fathers birthday today.
 
4:32 PM
@DavidKron I can't remember last time Windows 7 crashed
 
My birthday next month
 
Ell
Windows blue
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well windows 8 does
 
@Ell in honour of the bluescreen?
 
Lol has everyone seen the windows 8 bsod btw?
 
yiz
4:35 PM
also know as the blue screen of death
 
> Multiple tile sizes is one of the big updates for Windows Blue
BIG UPDATE
Like a blue theme in VS Update2
 
yiz
did you eat any food delivery guy lately?
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
yiz
you were complaining they stopped coming to your place
 
4:36 PM
It's terribru
 
Its a bloody gradient with antialiesed text and a smiley
 
Probably direct2d
 
Its better than those ugly scary things
 
4:37 PM
Is it?
 
Not seen a BSOD in my office since XP, probably because I don't write any Windows drivers :)
 
@DavidKron it's a fake, the real win 8 bluescreens don't have a gradient!
 
@TonyTheLion I once witnessed a Mac crashing while displaying the fancy BSOD they have.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes From a noob user perspective, probably yes
@R.MartinhoFernandes they have a BSOD?
 
@melak47 Your prolly right, still smooth text
 
4:38 PM
Yes, I'm sure bugcheck screen is drawn using hardware acceleration
 
I thought they just magically fixed themselves :P
 
@CatPlusPlus some people believe in fairy tales
 
If my pc is still good to render that, the crash cant be to terrible
 
4:41 PM
I like how people are using "crash" to describe everything
 
What else do you want to describe it with?
> It has long been known that y > v
 
"CatPlusPlus stopped working, would you like to: Search Online?"
 
@melak47 No one has yet located the bug
 
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Q: Error in simple C++ inheritance

user2370748I get error: no matching function for call to 'Base::Base()' in code class Base { private: char field; public: Base(char c){ field = c; } }; class Derived : public Base { public: Derived(char *c){} }; Error disappears as soon as i add Base(){} constructor. Why...

 
4:43 PM
> In future work, we plan to address questions of existence as well as existence.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes is that really yours? :)
 
> anti-meager
lolwat
 
@BartekBanachewicz Should I answer?
@BartekBanachewicz I mean, one of the coauthors is Erathostenes.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I dunno, you might be an epic mathematic in disguise
> Obviously, E0 is unconditionally Gaussian and sub-parabolic
> Obviously
 
4:46 PM
optional has none_t to clean it out.
 
Eratosthenes of Cyrene (, ; ;  – ) was a Greek mathematician, geographer, poet, astronomer, and music theorist. He was the first person to use the word "geography" in Greek and he invented the discipline of geography as we understand it. He invented a system of latitude and longitude. He was the first person to calculate the circumference of the earth by using a measuring system using stades, or the length of stadiums during that time period (with remarkable accuracy). He was the first to calculate the tilt of the Earth's axis (also with remarkable accuracy). He may also have accur...
 
should none_t apply to any ?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I thought it might be noted as using his work :/
 
No
Also forget about any already
 
Just noticed the url
nice one.
 
4:46 PM
I was gonna try myany = nothing but, okay. :D
 
> De finition 2.2. A finitely sub-diff erentiable, naturally ultra-reducible, al-most natural prime l is prime if the Riemann hypothesis holds.
lol
 
@BartekBanachewicz Make yours here thatsmathematics.com/mathgen
 
=[
Guys
I don't want to make variant. =[
Also has a std:: proposal for variant been drummed up yet?
 
use unions :/
 
@ThePhD boost has one FYI
 
4:48 PM
What was Boost.Variance exactly?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Thought it felt fake, 7 pages and 27 referenses :p
 
Ooh, yay, boost!
Is boost proposing their variant to std ?
 
@ThePhD It's being discussed.
 
Ah.
 
4:48 PM
In mathematics, the Riemann hypothesis, proposed by , is a conjecture that the nontrivial zeros of the Riemann zeta function all have real part 1/2. The name is also used for some closely related analogues, such as the Riemann hypothesis for curves over finite fields. The Riemann hypothesis implies results about the distribution of prime numbers. Along with suitable generalizations, it is considered by some mathematicians to be the most important unresolved problem in pure mathematics . The Riemann hypothesis, along with the Goldbach conjecture, is part of Hilbert's eighth problem in Dav...
 
> Of course, the Riemann hypothesis holds.
 
Great, now I just have to wait 5 years before I'll be able to do std::variant and std::optional and std::any :3c
 
Bold statement.
 
@ScottW Sorry, but I only want to have std::noisy sex with you. <3
 
13
A: OpenGL: Draw lines with VBO

genpfaultglDrawElements(GL_LINES, ..., ..., ...);

uh I mean seriously
13 upvotes.
 
4:50 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes indeed, now that I know what it is.
 
also datenwolf's answer is much much better
 
@BartekBanachewicz 14. :D
Short, sweet, and to the point.
Can't ask for more.
 
@ThePhD please upvote the second one too
 
Ugh this project is draining my mind
 
I am going home. cu
 
4:51 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Bibi honeybuns~
 
@CatPlusPlus undrain_cats_mind();
 
@TonyTheLion LNK error: undefined symbol referenced in void CAT_MAIN()
 
> Let alpha be a multiply non-Euclidean, totally algebraic, almost surely hyper-meager subset.
 
Lal y u told me wron, it is : std::tuple_element<int index,tuple... not the other way
 
no told you shit
you read it wrong!
 
4:53 PM
I am happy I inadvertently taught you a lesson: read the fucking manual.
 
R. Martinho Fernandes : @DavidKron std::tuple_element<std::tuple<T...>, N>::type
 
I a word
quote fail
 
yeah i guess
 
Learn to type
That was ironic
 
i actually dont know how to quote :/
 
4:55 PM
~Irony~
 
@CatPlusPlus That was pretty good.
 
PEGGLE
 
yiz
lmaocat > lolcat
 
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