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1:00 PM
@wilx Fly faster when you throw it out of the window
 
@BartekBanachewicz Yeah - it can fit in your pocket... Oh wait - no it can't!
 
:)
 
Uh, it fits in my small bag
Also works 11hrd on battery
 
Be a man, get a bigger one?!
 
And it has 3g, so I don't have to look for wifi
 
Yea i dont feel like carrying a backpack all the time
 
@CatPlusPlus: Call to people beyond the grave?
 
I don't carry a laptop all the time
Only when I absolutely have to
 
Also, i betcha your display can't even compare with iPad one @wilx
 
My display is 22"
 
1:02 PM
@BartekBanachewicz: Sure, it is not that tiny :)
 
@Xeo but how will you properly enjoy static initialization fiasco and reentrant function-local static initializations properly if you do?...
 
I mesnt the resolution. Of course it is smaller
And color reproduction
 
Very important
 
Well, yes
 
:)
 
1:04 PM
@BartekBanachewicz I have about 8 MP of screen space at home :)
 
I have a phone for, well, making calls and occasional webby stuff like check mail and soccer scores. It fits in my pocket. I have an Asus laptop that will not fit in my pocket and so needs a small bag. It will, however run all my Windows tools, make 3g Skype calls and will fit into a hotel safe. I don't feel any need for anything in between.
 
8MP? How many screens is that?
 
@BartekBanachewicz 3.
 
Also touch screens are annoying
 
which is why he's getting a keyboard :p
 
1:05 PM
Depends on usage obviously
 
No feedback sucks
 
I bet it can vibrate or something :p
 
And yes, thats why i want a keyboard
 
"BZZZZZZZZT: you pressed a button!"
 
Meh, vibration isnt the same
Nothing compares to a mechanical keyboard
 
1:07 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Been over this before. We know he has six eyes, but don't yet know if that means he has three heads :)
 
Umm, I want third screen too @Martin
 
lol, I must have missed that when we went over this before
 
@wilx That made me logon to sf.net for the first time in years. That's when I found this:
To @KnivesRaider^ You're doing it wrong!
 
@sehe: Sorry, I cannot see the picture here. Proxy blocks it.
 
By the way, what are the resolutions of those @melak? If it sums to 8 MP...
 
1:08 PM
@melak47 IIRC, I eventually conceeded that three screens might be useful for some kinds of development.
 
@BartekBanachewicz 2x 1920x1200, 1x 2560x1440
 
I'd even get a 4th one, but I'm too lazy to find any mounting thingy
 
@melak47 Uuhh - just how big is your desk?
 
@MartinJames not big enough, precisely why 4 screens won't work without some arm thing
 
1:10 PM
@wilx KnivesRaider has a helpful review of Boost C++ Libraries, saying "Posted by KnivesRaider — 2013-01-11 Great pieces of C++ code ever written. thanks you!" - with... A THUMBSDOWN
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also, 4 screens just next to each other..I don't think I can have all of those in my field of vision at once :p
which makes it kinda pointless. might as well use virtual desktop crap then
 
@sehe: lol, well, what can I say? :)
 
I have one 28 inch monitor, my laptop and development box. That's it, my desk is full.
 
"HE'S DOING IT WRONG"!
 
oh, yeah, I should totally hook my laptops up as more screens! :p
 
1:12 PM
@melak47 You are underestimating peripheral vision (like everyone)
 
@sehe People are not very smart
 
Apparently
 
@sehe maybe, but right now I basically have ultra wide screen going on. more screen space towards the center of my field of vision would be better, imo
 
@sehe What an epic fail.
 
1:14 PM
If ignorance is bliss, why aren’t more people happy? - Philip Howard
 
Thid mrsahe wtrtten with peripjera; viosion.
 
> At least 2,800 dead pigs have been fished from a Shanghai river since Friday, but authorities insist that tap water in the city is still safe to drink.
 
Pigpocalypse.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wait. Localization! That's almost 3 pigs (1 not fully recovered), right?
 
1:16 PM
I gotta go check the pigpocalypse news.
 
"(...) take measures to stop the dumping of pigs into rivers, (...)" WTF how can pig dumping into a river become a problem.
 
It's the source of drinking water :v:
 
the pig?
 
Also "it's raining pigs"
 
@CatPlusPlus No, I mean, how the fuck did pig dumping ever become a thing at all.
 
1:17 PM
Well someone dumped 2800 pigs for one
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes because China.
 
That's a thing
 
Because China is not Europe? :)
 
some people poison pigeons in the park, others dump pigs in rivers...
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes In China, it has also become a thing for stuff to explode even though it shouldn't be able to
 
1:18 PM
> More than 300 pigs die everyday in our village, and we barely have any space left to dispose of the dead pigs,
Did it ever occur to them that they may have way too many fucking pigs.
 
find pig --> dump in river --> ???? --> profit
 
The pig story has the word 'Apple' in it.
 
Apple is pigs
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes like, literally. they must be reproducing at an incredible speed!
 
@CatPlusPlus Apples feed pigs FTFY
 
1:19 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes apparently they still have to come to that realization, maybe you want to give them a ring?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes ..and not enough bacon.
 
They should have a glue factory...
 
Seriously, 300 dead pigs per day on a village is a tad too much.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes: Maybe a village in China is not a village in Europe? :)
 
They need to convert some pigs into something else
 
1:20 PM
> According to our records, 10,078 pigs died in January, another 8,325 died in February
I didn't know they kept death statistics on pigs
 
@wilx You mean a "village" is a pig factory in China?
 
but apparently, this is important information
@CatPlusPlus pigs are convertible to bacon.
Bacon b(pig);
 
@TonyTheLion a sudden spike in pig deaths may reveal angry birds players to have gone loopy en masse
 
@TonyTheLion when you have that many dying, it starts to get noticed
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes: No, I mean that the size of a village in China might be different than a size of a village in Europe. I have once read an article where some Chinese reporter said something like "I live in a small town." The small town was about 1.5 M people.
 
1:22 PM
@wilx It isn't that big, because it does not have space to dispose of 300 dead pigs a day.
 
@thecoshman so someone went around and counted them all?
 
@TonyTheLion sure, some people are very OCD about counting things no one cares about, right @sehe :P
 
does that count as perfect forwarding if you take your dead pigs, dump them in a river and forward them to the next village downstream?
 
user1357851
May I informally making a bald proposation for future (not necessarily next) C++ standard, that C++ should provide libraries for mobile controls :x ... is it insane enough?
 
1:24 PM
wat
 
user1357851
yes
 
@Telkitty what on earth do you mean?
 
No, standard C++ should not provide that.
 
like a standard library for mobile phone GUIs?
if so, you must be of your trolley love
 
1:26 PM
I think a few committee members have indicated that they would love to have a good GUI library in the std lib. The problem is that no one has ever written a library that would be suitable for inclusion
Feel free to invent it :)
the problem is that for it to be in the standard library, it has to be broadly useful. Can you define a GUI library which is useful on iphone, blackberry, android, windows phone as well as next year's platforms. And platforms from 5 years ago, like Windows CE crap or Symbian?
And of course, it'd be stupid to constrain it to mobile. It should work on desktop platforms too
 
Qt?
 
@wilx funny
 
j/k, I have never used Qt.
 
it should work on desktops FIRST, fuck mobile :p
 
Fuck ancient platforms too
Mobile market is Obj-C and Java, C++ is irrelevant there
 
user1357851
1:29 PM
@thecoshman meaning currently driver are usually written using C
 
Not if Microsoft has anything to say about it! oh wait..
 
@CatPlusPlus C++ is the only langauge I know of that you can use on all mobile platforms
 
@jalf except PHP :3
 
On iOS you'll be intermixing with Obj-C anyway
 
@jalf ..apart from C
 
user1357851
1:30 PM
now assume we would like more people to use c++, we should make C++ APIs available for mobiles (both hardware control and basic GUI stuff)
 
On Android ahahaha you've never seen NDK you don't want to touch that
 
@CatPlusPlus sure, and on android you'll be intermixing with java. But can still write all your underlying code in C++
 
NDK is awesome.
 
(Besides it's JNI not ~real~ C++)
You can build your own phone too
 
user1357851
the best suggestion for common base should be C++ (objective C, java & C# are considered 'higher level' languages)
 
1:31 PM
@CatPlusPlus so it's like the C++/JVM to MS' C++/CLI/CX ? :S
 
It is possible to write your application in C++, and just wrap it in a obj-c/java layer where it needs to call OS apis
And since a lot of people have C++ code that they want to be able to run on phones, that is quite relevant
 
user1357851
@jalf no, Android is Java for sure
 
@melak47 No. C++/CLI actually gives somewhat seamless interop. JNI is everything but seamless.
 
I've a nasty feeling that any attempt to do such things would need a standard hardware abstraction layer. I can almost guarantee that the API for that would be bad, (even if you ever get any agreement).
 
@Telkitty huh? where did drivers come into this?
 
user1357851
1:33 PM
like voice, phone device, camera etc?
 
how do I apply a patch?
 
user1357851
run it
 
What kind of patch
 
Patch on what?
 
@DeadMG: patch -p0<patch-file.diff or such.
 
1:34 PM
cheers
 
-pN depending on how many components of path you need to strip.
 
git apply --check xxx.patch, followed by git am --signoff < xxx.patch
 
Or git apply if it's in git format therefore what kind of patch
 
Hey lads
 
1:35 PM
LO
 
Go to 57:05, you'll all enjoy that bit.
 
Yes
 
ahahah that's hilarious
Cat should watch the entire video
 
After the Stack Exchange rant, there's a Jeff Atwood rant as well.
 
1:40 PM
because it suits his way of thinking "Programming is terrible"
Afaik, when a method is called its address pointer is first placed on the stack, if the address pointer is first stored in a local variable it is considered not thread-safe since the local variable has a shared mutable state. — Inge Henriksen 1 min ago
I'm lost, what the hell does he want me to tell him?
someone save from damnation of eternal confusion imposed on me by noobs
 
user1357851
That person is probably a newbie, he didn't even use the term 'rep whore'
 
> Biggest mistake is optimism
 
I.... I think I've found @Sbi on reddit. This sounds like his sort of level headed good parenting
 
@TonyTheLion Aarrghh! Mentions 'tabs vs spaces'
 
@Telkitty, he's just crying about the fastest gun in the west problem.
 
1:45 PM
@MartinJames oh noes
@thecoshman I'm not sure that ape is actually on Reddit at all
 
user1357851
There is a telkitty on reddit and it isn't me ... feels like someone 'borrowed' my name
 
@TonyTheLion ¬_¬ Because I was totally serious
 
I doubt that ape is on reddit
 
because I totally fail to see the humor in that
 
doesn't seem like his kind of place
 
Xeo
1:47 PM
@Jueecy The fuck
 
and also
he's Redditing his day away, but not in here/
 
his appearance in this room is becoming ever more rare
 
@Xeo, you are welcome
 
that's because he has other shit to do
and that includes not being on REddit
 
user1357851
maybe he's a troll at heart & he knows you guys, so it is a bit hard here so he picked another nick & went to reddit ^_^
 
1:52 PM
huh, patch doesn't give any kind of status or anything?
 
*nix tools usually produce no output or minimal output on success.
 
@TonyTheLion treasure it all the more
 
Buddy of mine suggested that the auto keyword will be optional in the next C++version. making the statement i = 0L; a valid long declaration. His reasoning was, any time you use auto is to not mix it up with the global scope. Since globals are bad (mkay) this is redundant. Hence auto is not needed. I think he might be smoking something jazzy.
 
You can also echo $? to see the exit code of the last command.
 
hm
 
1:53 PM
@DeadMG success is boring, and thus usually results in no output
 
now, apparently my patch is full of garbage.
 
@CaptainGiraffe lolwut
 
@IngeHenriksen Stack variables are inherently threadsafe: the stack is threadlocal — sehe 17 secs ago
 
there's a difference between type inference (auto) and dynamic typing
 
user1357851
@thecoshman a line I often hear from a loser :p
 
1:55 PM
how do I tell if it's a correct patch file?
 
user1357851
oh wait I just remembered Android is actually just Java on shell
 
user1357851
Now is iphone based on unix too?
 
lolwut
 
@Telkitty a fine example of failing making itself known
 
mac is BSD based, which is a type of *nix OS
 
user1357851
1:57 PM
but iphone?
 
iPhone is Mac right?
or have I been living under a rock?
 
user1357851
but they might come up with a different OS
 
what do you care?
 
user1357851
so is ios unix based'?
 
user1357851
1:58 PM
cloud computing using other people's mobiles! ... I mean :x
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Great or "great"?
 
what's the deal with "22,30c22,30" and similar things in the patch file?
my patch won't accept them
 

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