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12:00 PM
@DeadMG Oh that. Yeah, I've seen it.
 
so Xeo#
how's your proposal coming along?
 
It's amazing how much complexity people are willing to add to save two characters or something.
 
Xeo
@DeadMG I'm at work. :<
having to debug a segfault
 
@DeadMG what
 
yeah
 
12:03 PM
since  cant seem to edit, what i meant:

int a = some value
if ( a <100 && >10) // here is the proposal, i.e the >10 without a, i.e the compiler should assume in this case that the variable in the previous condition is meant. this wouldnt add any problems but make life alot easier in my opinion :)
my god.
 
that place is rapidly getting a reputation as the crazyhouse
 
I use the 0 <= x && x <= 10 form and I find it readable.
 
Actually Nicol commented pretty sensibly
> Somehow, I don't think we are going to opt to break Boost.Spirit like that. Or any other C++ DSEL library that just so happened to overload the comparison operators for its special types.
 
@BartekBanachewicz Nicol is one of the people that are there constantly trying to keep the madness at bay.
 
Anyway, I don't understand why they even bother discussibng it
@R.MartinhoFernandes I don't know if I can express my eagerness when DeadMG is around :P
okey, time to boot into ubuntu again
 
12:06 PM
user image
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see you on the other side
 
if ( e )
{
  // e is true
}
else
{
  // e is false
}
maybe
{
  // can't tell whether it is true or false
}
 
(NaP: Not a Proposal)
 
user1357851
while you are diving into ubantu, let me know the step I have to follow in order to use multi-threaded C++ in cgi
 
@Telkitty what
 
12:08 PM
@BartekBanachewicz probably because they want to encourage involvement. No one's going to involve themselves in standards work if they can see that the last umpteen proposals, amateurish and foolish as they were, didn't even get a response
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes lol for puppy getting his own category
 
@jalf But they should at least require some formal correctness, I don't know, properly formatted english .pdf?
 
@BartekBanachewicz That is not where you make official submissions.
It's only for discussion.
 
user1357851
@BartekBanachewicz going to re-write some perl cgi scripts sometimes in the future ... possibly in C++, and I need to know what config files I have to change
 
Official submissions have their rules stated somewhere on the open-std website, and it does include a format/style guide thingy.
 
12:10 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes if SO can expect questions to be at least formatted, I expect the same about that list
@Telkitty that's not "just change config files" :/
 
btw
I Figure the input-iterator thing is a good idea.
 
user142019
I fucking love list comprehensions.
 
@DeadMG Haven't checked it; that's why I left it at "?".
 
well, it seems quite logical and sane to me.
 
God damn this pendrive
 
12:12 PM
But that sample isn't that bad. I know that if I did a similar sampling some time ago it would be much worse.
Remember that Arthur Tchaikovsky guy?
 
isn't that that RAIIWrapper guy?
 
No. The CADRe one.
 
Xeo
Pffft
 
oh boy
 
Good mawning, rappers.
 
12:15 PM
wrapping my hot cross bun in butter.
also, yay, the radiator is finally putting out heat
oh cock
I forgot small allocator proposal :(
 
blargh, stupid chrome keeps crashing. I'm even on the stupid stable channel
 
@sehe Thanks sehe, this is valuable to me.
 
> @DeadMG didn't know that you have the power of actually approving suggestions, wow.
Guess who?
 
@CaptainGiraffe Glad to hear that - for me personally it was probably not the wisest investment of time (it basically ended up showing what I already knew, and said immediately :).
 
14 mins ago, by R. Martinho Fernandes
Remember that Arthur Tchaikovsky guy?
 
user142019
12:28 PM
brb; train
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wat, were
 
@Xeo std-proposals
 
@CaptainGiraffe What I find particularly nice was that all my approaches (2x ideone and 3 methods in the gist) have much less code than your original benchmark. I personally favour clean code.
Of course the last version balances that a bit (especially in the 'merge' phase because the steps to recurse a generic merge schedule aren't so ... readable. )
 
Do you guys see squares in this message?
If not, I may start using ASS as filler.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes: No, I see something on a stick.
 
12:32 PM
@wilx :(
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I see a square on a stick? :/
 
Chrome sucks so much.
 
Yeah, I guess it is a square on a stick.
This is Chrome.
 
Ok, sticking to bananas then.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes link?
 
12:33 PM
I see nothing in Firefox.
 
what's ASS, and what was that supposed to be
 
@DeadMG It's a reply to your latest message.
@wilx As intended.
 
oh lol
 
amazing that he has to be so bitchy over me just supporting some other guy
 
12:34 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes ...what is that supposed to do
 
I do not see anything in IE10 either.
 
is that like COMMENCE PRIMARY IGNITION?
 
@melak47 Activate symmetric swapping, duh.
It's not supposed to be visible.
But the original meaning is deprecated, so it seemed good enough for filler.
But fuck Chrome.
 
Xeo
I think I finally found the shortcut for switching layouts in Gnome terminal...
 
@melak47 Tbh, no fucking idea. Something about bidirectional text that stopped being useful and now has no effect.
 
12:35 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes: Fill a bug report? :)
 
Xeo
shift-esc
FUCK YOU GNOME
 
@Xeo so curious what that would achieve
 
@wilx I don't use Chrome...
 
Xeo
@sehe I can finally switch back when I accidentally hit it
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes: Well, still, file a bug report!
 
Xeo
12:36 PM
Since I remapped capslock to esc, it was happening sometimes
 
@Xeo lol, disable it?
 
Xeo
And it was driving me mad
 
@Xeo why would you shift+capslock o.O
 
Xeo
@melak47 I was hitting it by accident
 
@Xeo hit what. ah well, I'll just try when I get home and think of it :)
 
Xeo
12:39 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Tell me where, it's not under "keyboard shortcuts" :s
 
Sorry, I don't use Gnome Terminal.
Wait, isn't that like system wide or something?
 
Ah. Keyboard layout - am I right? /cc @Xeo
 
Xeo
Uh, yes
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nope
 
Or just remove all alternative layouts from the list of choices.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'd guess so. And yes, gnome-control-centre should show you options to disable/ change the hotkey
 
12:40 PM
Yo!
 
Xeo
Can't find it in system-wide shortcuts or terminal shortcuts
 
4 mins ago, by Xeo
I think I finally found the shortcut for switching layouts in Gnome terminal...
 
How are you doin?
 
^ that didn't make it clear it was keyboard related to me :)
 
@Xeo Probably under the keyboard settings.
 
Xeo
12:41 PM
Yes, there it is
Oh, and it's actually Shift-Capslock
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yup. they are extensive on Gnome. Very extensive.
 
Xeo
I forgot that my remapping for some reason stopped working inside the vmachine
 
ohh man, I need some sleep. I had one of those night where I can't figure out if I actually slept or not.
 
Xeo
stupid thing
 
@TonyTheLion That might indicate a "yes".
Either that or a drunk stupor.
 
12:43 PM
Guys, what do you personally prefer? Sourceforge or github?
 
@Zoidberg so sad to see it go ^
 
And why..
 
 
@sehe Yes. I should apologize for the mess I threw at you, it was a result of frustration not getting the results I expected.
 
What was plaksel?
@GamesBrainiac I never liked SF's interface.
 
12:45 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes So, its just the interface, because I've been looking at a bunch of similar sites like github or ohlohloh
I just wanted to see which people use them and why.
 
I think ohloh provides a different service.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Sorry, Ohloh
I giggle every time I say it! :P
@R.MartinhoFernandes How is it different from github or sourceforge for that matter?
 
Ohloh is just for stats and showing off. It does not host anything.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I guess showing off is a good reason... :P
There are plenty of good software on it.
The great thing is you can see how much code each project has
 
I like classes that only last 10 minutes
 
12:50 PM
Duh
 
@CatPlusPlus Very typical
 
I am still on the comic sans lecture
 
Vim has 1.72M lines of code
Thats friggin scary.
 
It's 20 years old project
 
@GamesBrainiac Sf is for binaries. And it sucks, gh is much cleaner and nicer
What's vim written in?
 
12:51 PM
@BartekBanachewicz C
 
VLC only has 600+K
But Vim has 1.72M :P
 
Vim has a lot of features IIRC
 
Well it isn't surprising it's 1.72M then. C is prettly low level after all
 
Forget about Sourceforge
Its days have passed
 
12:53 PM
@CatPlusPlus I got curious, because I just download MinGW GCC
from sourceforge, so I decided to get more acquainted with the history of it all.
 
It was a good SVN hosting
They had a silly policy of preapproving projects though
Dunno if that's still going
 
For Windows, would your first choice be MinGW GCC or are there better alternatives?
 
VLC is much bigger than 600 KiB. It has oodles of plugins that you have to count in as well.
 
Then they had a redesign couple of years ago, and completely fucked up file management UI
 
Asking because I mostly use Visual C++
 
12:54 PM
@GamesBrainiac Use a linux and virtual machine for gcc
 
@wilx KLOC not KB
 
Oh.
/me crawls back under a stone
 
@wilx 600K lines of code
 
I have 9 years old SF account :smug:
 
@CatPlusPlus Boy, aren't you proud! :P
 
12:55 PM
Let me see.
 
Eclipse is 2.74
Million
 
Eclipse is written in one of the least expressive languages in the universe
 
@CatPlusPlus you made a SF account when you were 11?
 
@CatPlusPlus Joined: 2000-01-11 (13 years ago); my epeen is bigger than yours :)
 
Also has architecture overblown to the point of "what the fuck"
 
12:56 PM
@CaptainGiraffe :| I wasn't aware you "should apologize". I was being curious, because I usually know just about everything about shortcuts and use gnome terminal a lot :)
 
Eclipse is olainly terrible
 
@melak47 Apparently
Also 12
 
Also I need a fucking BT keyboard
 
Why?
 
@BartekBanachewicz wireless keyboard? not even once
 
12:57 PM
I like wires.
 
@melak47 why not
 
Because of batteries?
 
Also, duh, I want it for iPad not PC
 
Because they decide to stop working/need recharging just when it is the least convenient?
Same issues :)
 
It's good to have one when you play Worms on large TV
 
12:58 PM
@BartekBanachewicz what do you need to type when you're on an ipad? go play angry birds :p
 
Xeo
FUCKING FUCK THESE STUPID FUCKING SINGLETONS
 
I find it kinda funny that most of the popular java tools out there are made for writing or debugging java! :P
 
@Xeo Haha
 
You know my iPad can do things your small petty pc cant @melak
 
lol
Like what?
 
Xeo
12:59 PM
If they had lazy initialization atleast.... GRAAAAARGH
 

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