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12:00 AM
So I can't have a bordered, transparent window.
 
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My face is so sad right now.
 
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I'm going shopping. Fuck this gay earth. Fuck Microsoft.
 
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Wasted an hour on these shenanigans.
 
it's okay man.
 
12:02 AM
@ThePhD an hour? I've wasted 5 hours fighting with objective-c on windows ;0
@EtiennedeMartel well, why not stAlignedContainer<ValueType>(data, dataSize)? AFAIR gcc always sucked at guessing template arguments
 
it can't "guess" it there.
it's not supposed to "guess" it either
also that still leaves the main issue (I already tried)
 
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GCC 4.7, anyway.
 
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No idea if it gets better with 4.8.1 and -std=c++1y
 
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Have to ask experts on it, like maybe @Xeo or @R.MartinhoFernandes
 
12:06 AM
@ThePhD obviously that fixes it if you use scope resolution
 
@Rapptz right
 
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@Rapptz Well, there's a solution.
 
it's just weird that you need to do that
 
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It is weird.
 
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GCC is being dumb here, is my best guess.
 
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12:06 AM
Not entirely sure, however.
 
Xeo
what's going on?
 
Etienne's SSCCE of his issue
 
@melak47 that one's interesting
 
Xeo
@melak47 yeah, that
 
user3010322
12:08 AM
@EtiennedeMartel GCC 4.8 is also apparently retarded?: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/faa8be0dd31bb016
 
Oh hold on.
ISTR that this is the only use case of this->
 
Xeo
yes
Dependent member
 
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Why is that even necessary?
 
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....
 
user3010322
12:09 AM
That's blisteringly retarded. =l
 
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I'm glad MSVC has an extension for it.
 
Xeo
meh
fuck MSVC
 
screw MSVC indeed.
 
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Screw C++.
 
Xeo
So yeah, melak got it
 
user3010322
12:09 AM
It should be able to find the member without this
 
and I didn't even know what I was doing ^_^
 
applause!
 
Xeo
m_data is a dependent name through the dependent base class, and as such needs this-> qualification
 
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There's only 1 base type, and no colliding names.
 
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12:10 AM
JOHANNES
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Dependent base, specializations etc
 
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You agree with me, yes?
 
yeah this is the only actual use case of this->
 
Well, well.
 
12:10 AM
lulz
 
@Rapptz can you explain?
 
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@JohannesSchaub-litb See, they say that for this: coliru.stacked-crooked.com/a/faa8be0dd31bb016 You need to use this->
 
Xeo
47 secs ago, by Xeo
m_data is a dependent name through the dependent base class, and as such needs this-> qualification
 
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I think that C++ should let you not use this-> and still be able to find the member.
 
m_data becomes dependent one you say this->m_data . it is not dependent if you write just "m_data" :D
 
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12:11 AM
Agree? Yes? No? Maybe?!
 
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Table-Flip.
 
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Fuck C++. ;~;
 
Xeo
@JohannesSchaub-litb Well, end result is the same, really
 
that's the whole problem of it :D
 
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@JohannesSchaub-litb MSVC can find it without "this" >.>
 
user3010322
12:11 AM
The question is, should the compiler do some type of resolution for you beforehand?
 
MSVC is a special child.
 
Xeo
Because MSVC has fucked up two-phase lookup
 
@Xeo thanks I'll look into it
 
int a = "10";
 
const T& self; for all member functions. Agree? Yes? No? Maybe?!
 
user3010322
12:12 AM
@melak47 +1
 
> "10" is of type int. therefor you have to write boost::lexical_cast<int>("10")
that'S sort of what you were saying :D
 
Xeo
meh
 
@melak47 -2
 
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:c
 
Xeo
not in the mood for proper standardese, back to reading my LN
 
user3010322
12:13 AM
LN?
 
i'm sorryl. i wanted to say something stupid
please bear with me :)
 
@Rapptz underflow! uh oh
 
light novel?
 
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@JohannesSchaub-litb We would, but @sehe's not here. :P
 
Xeo
@Rapptz ya
 
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12:14 AM
Okay
 
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I'm gonna go buy a shitload of candy corn and mourn Windows 8.
 
I have to make slides for my talk tomorrow
 
Xeo
Actually, considering that it's past 1am, I think I'll rather go to sleep. G'night
 
All right, decided. I'm not in a mood for working so I'll go for whisky+horror movie again ;0
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb You drunk? Why full of typos?
 
12:16 AM
@Telkitty You drunk? Why the turtle?
 
@ThePhD you still technically get transparency
 
@BartoszKP you no finding my turtle inresistibly charming?
 
@ThePhD but all you'll see through transparent pixels in your client area is the color of the window border:
 
@Telkitty I'm not finding your turtle at all
 
~_~ ... time 2 get glasses
 
12:19 AM
I have glasses and I couldn't tell that was a turtle intil I magnified by 400% :E
 
@melak47 turtle recognition classes? (fuck your edit:P)
 
:p
 
@melak47 dat green
I really need to work on my graphics, but I don't know what theme to go for.
Wait a second.
It crosses.
 
@Pawnguy7 it's a 3D version
 
That would be interesting. 3D snake.
 
12:26 AM
@Pawnguy7 I haven't worked in it at all. it can still do anything :p
@Pawnguy7 also maybe on the surface of a cube or something. torus, whatever
endless possibilities!
 
or a snake in 3D but allowed to move only on a 2D manifold invisible to users! ;0
 
Or.
free-movement snake on a transparent sphere.
 
free movement snake underwater with currents applying to the snake pieces
 
or snakes that shoot lasers, play chess, build military units, and can breed
 
SnakeXXX?
 
12:29 AM
:DD
StripSnake
lol, of course it exists
@melak47 as for this one you can find it also, but it's not exactly a game "AnalTeenAngels.12.03.04.Stacy.Snake.XXX." ;0
 
I don't even.
 
hmm, Stace Snake is quite a nice girl
 
Speaking of breeding.
 
@BartoszKP lol
 
I had a game idea about sheep breeding once.
 
12:33 AM
@Pawnguy7 Lemme guess, it was called "Wool fucktory"?
 
ghahahha
:D
 
haha.
I think the working title was Shepherd.
 
oh god, stacy don't do this
 
I was originally going for arcade-style, wolves dragging sheep away or something.
I was trying to think of how to give the player more sheep.
 
all right, I'm turning this off, she doesn't even look over 18
 
12:35 AM
So I was fantasizing a bit on how the mechanics would work.
And the fence
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb you should come here more often :)
 
How does that fence look? That was back when I thought pixel art was a possibility.
 
inderdaad
 
@ScottW Scott, you really need to meet Stacy Snake, she helps us with snake-programming
@ScottW are you winning?
:\
 
@JohannesSchaub-litb I get around 30 MB/s USB 2.0 throughput when writing to my external HDs. That should be more than sufficient for HD streaming. I have no idea if the raspberry CPU is powerful enough though.
 
12:45 AM
with Stacy you always win!
 
12:59 AM
let the night graciously bring you rest
 
@EtiennedeMartel how hard is it to host C# in C++ / do com interop and expose functions, types, stuff from C++ to C#, and marshal or whatever that back and forth? :E
 
@melak47 Lots of boilerplate with flimsy doc.
Once that's done, pretty easy.
Windows takes care of most of the bullshit for you.
 
I don't suppose there's a ready made thing that takes care of the boilderplate :D
 
Depending on your definition of "ready made", ATL.
Also, maybe C++/CX. But I really don't know about that one.
 
1:11 AM
I thought it was bad enough when they took my first name...then they took my last initial... — Jason Punyon Jan 14 '10 at 20:55
^^ AHAHAHA
 
@EtiennedeMartel hmm. where7how do I get started? :E
 
I like the Vim "morning" colorscheme.
 
Hello
 
1:25 AM
World!
 
:)
 
Is it strange if I have a strong affinity towards byte (character) streams and consoles/terminals?
@Justin have a question?
 
@Pawnguy7 Nope. Just checking out this chat room.
 
1:40 AM
> Many people forget that <iostream> was a proof of concept and never meant to be actually used. The API is mind numbingly horrible.
 
Speaking of streams.
What is a good stream API?
 
fuck do I know.
 
Who is it here going around about there being better stream API's?
 
@Rapptz Is there a type-safe, extensible, etc. alternative that you like?
 
I didn't say that, I found that on the internet.
Also I like my print function
 
1:44 AM
I thought you implicitly agreed with it <_<
 
No lol
I think it's moronic
 
okay XD
I am legitimately curious, since STL mentioned he hates streams.
But I'm not sure what replacement he had in mind.
 
Which STL?
Why would STL hate streams?
 
I'm not exactly sure, which is why I keep asking people the above question.
 
I am not entirely fond of streams, but I am not positive why.
It does feel a bit primitive at times.
 
1:46 AM
Stephan T. Lavavej
 
I don't know why we went from printf("hello there %s, your number is %d", str, num); to std::cout << "hello there " << str << ", your number is " << num;
At least with variadic templates you can write your own printf
 
variadic templates certainly would've been nicer to have much earlier in c++'s history.
 
that's my only gripe with <iostream> btw
and it's easily solvable now
 
I actually don't mind that syntax that much XD
 
I didn't mind it at first (I still don't care that much) but it's annoying as time goes on.
 
1:50 AM
My biggest gripe is the error handling strategy doesn't use exceptions, and the output format modifiers are somewhat inconsistent to use.
 
that's a good point too.
 
Is it not strange that you use streams to create files?
 
no
 
no
 
I like <fstream> more than FILE*
 
1:51 AM
That's actually a really cool use case.
 
The whole iostream library is very unintuitive. (I still don't have a decent grasp on it myself.)
 
Implementing my own stream seems like it'd be a nightmare too.
 
To me, a stream is kind of like a tunnel.
Tunnels to nowhere just seems strange.
 
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@StackedCrooked I'm working on my own typesafe stream implementation.
 
a stream is a sequence of characters <_<, not a "tunnel".
 
1:52 AM
@ScottW hookers
 
actually that's not quite right.
Streams support mapping character streams to types, and vice versa.
 
Well.
What do you do with streams?
3
 
You put things in, and they go out somewhere else, no?
2
Well, except sstream.
 
You ejaculate into them.
Who cares what's at the other end.
 
1:55 AM
You don't. But there is something on the other end.
 
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Something receptive and willing.
 
@ScottW how does one intend a starred message?
 
Ah - intellectual hour :)
 
Likes jokes?
You seem to be right though.
Or failings, yes.
 
It's kind of a nice word
 
1:58 AM
I have this thing.
 
I wish I could search without text.
 
#include <gears/io/print.hpp>
#include <gears/io/flags.hpp>
#include <iomanip>

namespace io = gears::io;

int main() {
    io::print("Hello there {0}, your number is {1}", "Bob", io::flags(210, std::hex));
}
works okay
 
I use print variants as well^^, those just are an abstraction above translating text into types. So when people say "iostream sucks" I'm not exactly sure what alternative they're comparing it to, since c doesn't have a built in mechanism to do that.
 
Aug 17 at 0:21, by Pawnguy7
How does cross platform work, again? I seem to recall you could do, say, #ifdef WINDOWS and similar, but ... where do you input the define?
 
At least as far as I'm aware. So I keep asking people what they use instead on the off chance I'm missing something.
 
2:00 AM
Apparently everything I say can be quoted out of context to make me look new :D
 
There's Boost.Iostreams
and Boost.Format
 
Oh, and three-star programmer.
 
@Rapptz I swear I've looked up and down boosts page at least 3 times in recent memory, and I still see new things >_<.
 
Aug 17 at 0:31, by Pawnguy7
Wait, why did that get a star? :\
Interesting.
... really?
 
This is the only time this "cancel stars" thing is useful.
3
 
2:10 AM
whats the emote for innocent whistle?
 
Hm.
I couldn't find one MLP fanart with a "magic" caption.
Why is there so much fanart :\
 
@Pawnguy7 Because friendship is magic.
 
Does anything else have so much fanart?
I am not familiar with the topic.
But like, most of these are actually pretty good.
 
google your first name then " the hedgehog"
hf
 
Hm?
Found that :D
 
2:21 AM
@Rapptz That worked way too well xD.
 
What does it do?
 
Pawnguy are you serious?
 
Yes.
 
@Pawnguy7 What's your first name?
 
I've done it and found out a blog with my first name as the title. My exact first name.
 
user3010322
2:23 AM
Not sure if serious: google.com/…
 
@ThePhD Use your real first name.
 
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Nothing.
 
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.... SO MUCH BAD ARRT <___>
 
2:26 AM
Oh. The caption helps.
I don't know anything about the sonic series :\
 
...
 
So sonic is a hedgehog?
 
Has sonic fallen so far >_>
 
I get it is a blue hedgehog, and have seen it.
I just don't know what the other ones are.
It is like I had only seen...
 
mine works better with adding "the flying robot"
 
2:27 AM
rainbow dash is one of the names, right?
 
@Rapptz Suicide?
 
Last meal or something?
 
@Pawnguy7 No that's a from My Little Pony
you're mixing things up
 
2:28 AM
@Borgleader I know.
I am saying, knowing only that.
I cannot tell between real other ponies, and fan ponies.
Especially with all the colors :\
Like, there are other hedgehogs, right?
 
Sonic's video game music had lyrics
listening to it now makes me lol pretty bad
 
Yes there are others
 
What is on the far right?
 
only sonic and shadow are hedgehogs
you guys are bad at this sonic thing
 
Apparently so.
 
2:32 AM
There are robotic hedgehogs ^^
 
Though several (far left, for example) look about the same.
 
nah.. I don't know who far left is.
 
It isn't a hedgehog?
But hey.
 
It might be fan art, I've never seen it before.
 
the only other hedgehog I know besides Sonic/Shadow is Silver
 
2:34 AM
I know who mario is.
 
Need somebody whose read the comics >_>.
 
Good enough :D
 
but sooo many good games D:
 
How many people are able to make decent fanart?
I know I am utterly incapable, but perhaps there are more artistic people than I thought.
 
amazon.com/Drawing-Right-Side-Brain-Definitive/dp/1585429201 It's actually not that hard to draw passably, most people just don't give themselves enough time to look at what they're drawing.
 
2:38 AM
Not sure.
I can usually picture the end result.
Just not manifest it.
Seems strange.
 
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Okay
 
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I did some shopping
 
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I bought some stuff
 
Ew.
Shopping
 
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Now, I'm ready to program again.
 
2:39 AM
@Pawnguy7 If you didn't take longer then half an hour or an hour on your first try, you probably didn't take long enough.
Not that there isn't a little more to it then that, just most people seem to have weird expectations of themselves when they start drawing.
 
@Polymer Probably not. I am not good at patience :\
Well.
Some people do seem to be able to make some things faster.
Say, doodling in a classroom.
 
@Pawnguy7 Well those doodles are frequently not the first variants of those doodles. People will actually redraw things verbatim frequently. How long did it take you to write your first sort?
 
I don't think I ever have written a sort, to be honest :D
But I get what you are going at.
I just hadn't considered it applied to drawing.
 
@Pawnguy7 It's worth drawing something upside at some point. That helps give your mind a clue as to what's important to pay attention to. The actual image itself can be distracting. But besides tricks like that, imo patience is the key.
 
@ThePhD :D
 
2:46 AM
@Polymer And practice.
 
@MarkGarcia Well, everything gets better with practice.
 
@Polymer upside?
 
2:57 AM
@melak47 are you using this furrovine?
 
no
but I might steal some of his things :p
 

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