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1:00 PM
your VirtualBox machine should have an IP that's accessible from the host box.
you should check the settings of the guest box
you can set it
 
@Zoidberg Your VB should have its own network interface if you have brains
 
user142019
How can I find that?
 
VirtualBox sucks?
 
oh c'mon
 
Put the VM on virtual or bridged network
Or forward ports if you really want to use NAT
I'm not sure if the VM has usable IP in NAT mode otherwise
 
1:03 PM
@Zoidberg Connect to it on port 1337...
 
Yeah it probably won't work
 
@TonyTheLion woof™
 
@CatPlusPlus where did you find it? :)
 
VBox bridged should be accessible from the host box (that's how I run)
 
1:07 PM
> So my policy, effective immediately, is to ask people to understand that if I get drawn into discussions of the bases for my Items online, I'll never have time to write the book.
Meh, I'm still e-mailing him about the shared_ptrs. It's better than printing the book with bad advice.
 
@DeadMG potato potato
 
user142019
@LightnessRacesinOrbit I don't know the IP of the guest.
 
you suck
 
@Zoidberg Why not? You set it up.
 
@melak47 In the fridge
 
user142019
1:09 PM
I didn't.
 
@Zoidberg Look at your list of local network interfaces.
 
user142019
The setup is automatic.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I posted some comments about how unique_ptr was far superior.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit We have this wonderful thing called DHCP
Also, VM is behind another NAT
 
1:09 PM
@CatPlusPlus well, it has the ip of your machine... think you can port-forward to the VM, might depend on the software though
 
you can still do ifconfig and look at the interfaces
 
@CatPlusPlus If you're running a local DHCP server, ask for a client list.
This stuff is not difficult!
 
VM is the DHCP jesus
 
What does the VM think its IP is?
@CatPlusPlus wtf
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit 127.0.0.1 :P
 
1:10 PM
lol
 
Use virtual (host-only) or bridged networking if you want to VM to be accessible from the outside
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Wrong interface
 
@CatPlusPlus you are running a DHCP server as a virtual server?
 
Virtualbox runs DHCP server
 
Zoidberg sucks
 
1:10 PM
It's ~virtual~
 
@CatPlusPlus ah right, that's what you are on about
 
@Zoidberg my linux VM in virtualbox can be reached under 127.0.1.1 in NAT mode from the host.
 
@thecoshman one wonders if he knows himself what he's talking about
 
@TonyTheLion Of course I do
 
1:11 PM
lol
 
user142019
Ok set it to bridged.
 
ok, following back to the original crustation post, set up up the VM to use use a bridge connection, thus it will get it's own IP on the network, rather then then the default of NAT sitting behind the IP of your host physical machine
 
@Zoidberg u scrub. it works with NAT, too :p
 
I never got it to work with NAT before
you must know magic that I don't
 
@TonyTheLion Just forward ports from the host.
 
1:13 PM
@melak47 not if he wants his guest to act as a server, and doesn't want to twat around with prot-forwarding, which I am not even sure you can do with VM
 
user142019
How the fuck do I install ipconfig.
 
Also time for big guns, peppermint, carbon and what apparently is called chamomile in English
 
@Zoidberg lol, it's installed as part of linux
 
user142019
Or whatever that tool was called.
 
pacman -S linux
 
1:13 PM
OMFG, Zoidberg is terribl.
 
ip addr
 
@CatPlusPlus ¬_¬ what sort of crazy tea are you making?
 
ipconfig is old
 
@Zoidberg Really?
 
@thecoshman It's not a tea you scrub
 
1:13 PM
@Zoidberg oh, ifconfig :P
 
ifconfig, whatever
It's ~medicine~
 
oh they changed the tool name
 
user142019
$ ipconfig
ipconfig: command not found
# pacman -S ipconfig
error: target not found: ipconfig
 
what in the fuck for?
 
@CatPlusPlus herbal tea you scrub is still considered tea, though if people want to get anal, infusion is also true
 
user142019
1:14 PM
@thecoshman ohh
 
user142019
Thanks.
 
It was always ifconfig
 
user142019
Same. :<
 
Use ip addr it comes installed with whatever you're using
Nobody uses ifconfig anymore
 
@TonyTheLion actually, ifconfig came first, ipconfig is the one name wrong
 
1:15 PM
@CatPlusPlus I hear carbon nanotubes act like asbestos. sure you want to put that in your "medicine"?
 
user142019
@CatPlusPlus Dankesch\"{o}n.
 
@melak47 What
 
@CatPlusPlus it's simple scrub
 
@CatPlusPlus ??!?!?!?!
 
user142019
1:15 PM
Okay cool 192.168.1.89/24.
 
@thecoshman I was referring to what Cat was saying, that it's no longer ifconfig but ip addr
 
@melak47 I think you hear wrong
 
@Zoidberg been spending some time on windows, have we? windows has ipconfig :p
 
It's a different tool not changed name
 
@TonyTheLion ooh... just call him a scrub and move on :P
 
1:16 PM
scrub
 
user142019
YES IT WORKS THANKS CAT <3
 
Do you people never network on Linux? Ever? This conversation is startling.
 
oh sure, nobody else helped
 
networking is for scrubs, obviously
 
1:16 PM
@LightnessRacesinOrbit plug in, it works, linux networking sorted
 
actually, never seen it on Scrubs
 
user142019
Now I can test Lambda Ore without the tremendous lag of Minecraft running in VirtualBox.
 
@LightnessRacesinOrbit net-tools is old and unmaintained
 
@CatPlusPlus oh that old "appeal against age" argument again
 
It's being phased out in favour of iproute2 for like years now
 
1:17 PM
It doesn't need maintaining, because it's done. It works.
And you won't find anything else on any embedded systems.
 
user142019
lol
 
@CatPlusPlus bin ¬_¬
 
user142019
Yes MOTD works!
 
1:18 PM
YES!
 
user142019
And it's a thousand lines shorter than the C# version! :D
 
Git in Visual Studio from Microsoft.
 
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Q: Visual C++ 2012 cout crashes during run time

SuniusI decided to try Visual Studio 2012 Express today. First thing to do was to write "Hello world!" application, however, I couldn't make it work. I created a Windows console application project, wrote standard code and it resulted in a run-time error. Here's my code: #include <iostream> us...

 
@Zoidberg Oh, you have your MOTD server running? I thought you were working on something about Minecraft.
 
fucking hell, do they want to get any more drills going whilst they are at it?
 
user142019
1:20 PM
MOTD is a feature of the Minecraft server.
 
@wilx IOW not even Microsoft wants to use that Team Foundation shit
 
@Zoidberg lol, is that what you have been twating around with
 
Hehe.
 
user142019
@thecoshman but I did it in Haskell!
 
1:20 PM
@Zoidberg oh, are you using the fancy colour things?
 
user142019
No?
 
I've seen some servers use them, but not sure exactly how to slip them into the properties file
 
haha, puppy got the centuries wrong.
 
store.steampowered.com/app/219680 This is a game that costs 7€ in which you walk around
 
also wondering if MC supports uni ... lol, of course it doesn't
@CatPlusPlus fuck that!
 
user142019
1:24 PM
hPeek y u no exist.
 
auto photos = ref new Vector<IPhoto^>(); aaah what the fuck they call it C++11?!
 
user142019
Oh hLookAhead. ~_~
 
the question remains if I should carry my fairly heavy laptop with me to Berlin
 
user142019
Let's call our function differently than how the rest of the damn world calls it.
 
@BartekBanachewicz What? Where?
That's CLI.
 
1:25 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes "Developing an end-to-end Windows Store app using C++ and XAML: Hilo"
 
That's not C++11
 
C++ and XAML. That's CX, then. What were you expecting.
 
That's C++ISUCKTERRIBLY
 
> When possible, use C++11 and the standard C++ libraries (for example, the STL and CRT) for your core app logic and the C++/CX syntax only at the boundary where you interact with the Windows Runtime
 
CRT, lol
 
1:27 PM
for fucks sake why don't you make proper C++11 api then?
 
You can't read
Because it's COM already
 
if UX == User Experience, then CX == C Experience? D:
 
They are trying to sell me that bullshit agaININ
 
And Microsoft likes extensions
 
what the fuck is wrong with these people
 
1:27 PM
@melak47 Cunt Experience?
 
IPhoto sounds like something on the Windows Runtime...
 
@TonyTheLion sounds more fun than C :/
 
@TonyTheLion ¬_¬ typical
 
That's very cool but they should warn or something. I was expecting clear "interface in XML, code in C++", and got this shit instead.
 
1:28 PM
I still don't know why they're so excited about CX
 
@CatPlusPlus so it's like minecraft, only boring?
 
I'd rather write C# than C++
 
I'd rather write good C++ than C#, but C# rather than this shit.
 
I'd rather sleep than write anything :P
 
@melak47 there's no TNT
 
1:29 PM
Yeah I could use a nap, too.
 
Dealing with C++ build systems is as fun as eating rocks
 
I thought I read something on MSDN that says you can use most of the windows runtime crap without using C++/CX by just doing everything via COM or something :/
 
For the last 2 days, I've been so godawful tired
wonder if I'm sick or something?
 
No you're alive
 
@melak47 Why subject yourself to pain?
 
1:30 PM
did you eat Cat's soup, too?
 
@melak47 Yeah it's COM
 
@CatPlusPlus barely :P
> I'm reading C primer plus
kill it with fire!
 
But the hope isn't dead yet.
 
"I'm reading C primer plus" <--- That is your biggest problem!! Kill that book with fire!!! RTFN — Tony The Lion 10 secs ago
 
> In those rare cases that require direct access to the raw COM interfaces, or non-exceptional code, you can use the Windows Runtime C++ Template Library (WRL) (WRL).
And WRL actually is native.
 
1:33 PM
> non-exceptional code
tee hee
 
It's a native wrapper over COM woo
Very native
 
I can't fucking understand that
If you want C++ developers to code for your system, why are you trying to sell them that bullshit?
Is it really that hard to prepare good C++ API? They had more than 10 years to do that
 
C++ developers already code for their system
 
Have you seen the WRL?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I'm looking at it ATM.
It's terrible, of course.
 
1:36 PM
> It provides [...] testing HRESULT values to determine whether an operation succeeded or failed.
yay ._.
 
If I had a system it'd be 100% C and C++ free
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Ah, close enough.
 
@CatPlusPlus there's LuaOS.
Anyway, I just feel sick when I see ^ in something that's supposed to be C++ code.
 
It's not supposed to be C++ code it's supposed to be C++/CX code
 
1:37 PM
Whatever that means.
 
It's there because nobody wants to do COM
 
eh
 
@BartekBanachewicz Right, the point is that just not being a snob and using C++/CX is less painful than sticking to WRL.
 
C++/CX ain't that bad.
 
BUT MY NATIVENESS
 
1:38 PM
It's factories all the way down.
 
it's just a bit of syntactic artificial sweetener.
 
Anyway, Borland was able to create its Builder. And I don't remember any of CX/CLI/COM/WRL shit being there
 
I like how RuntimeClass inherits from DontUseNewUseMake.
 
and that was the last time coding GUI in C++ actually wasn't like wiping your ass with sandpaper.
 
watdafuq
 
1:39 PM
Anyway, I am going to install Windows 8 and try the C++/CX myself.
If I won't die in the process, it might even get usable.
 
@BartekBanachewicz don't do it D:
 
@DeadMG I have no idea what it means, I just saw that in the docs.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Well, don't use new, use make.
 
C++/CX is bad 'coz you can use it in WinXP
 
@BartekBanachewicz Have you ever looked at RTL
 
1:41 PM
@CatPlusPlus the TV station? :)
 
unique_ptr should be named dont_use_new_use_make, to convince you to use make_unique instead of unique_ptr<...>(new ...)
 
It was literally Delphi in C++
 
@BartekBanachewicz lolwut? it's full of COM
 
@CatPlusPlus wtf is RTL?
 
The thing that powers BCB's RAD
 
1:41 PM
@Abyx He's in denial.
 
You know, the counterpart of WRL
Because bringing up Borland is funny if you don't even know what RTL is
 
who gives a fuck about Borland, anyway
 
Isn't COM like a portable ABI or something?
 
they did a lot of good stuff
 
Besides BCB was full of extensions too
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah somewhat
It's a global interop mechanism
And stuff
 
1:44 PM
The point is, there's Qt and Wx on the market. However, they are cross-platfom, and thus try to kill two birds with one stone.
I just wish for one-platform solution, but done right.
 
What
Why would you want one-platform solution ever
 
MFC?
 
wx is MFC
Basically
 
MFC tried to get into std's way too much
 
@CatPlusPlus Yeah, pretty much.
 
1:45 PM
MFC tried to be good but failed miserably
 
eh
it probably was good... back in 1990.
 
I don't know if I'm being unrealistic or idealistic, but is it really too much to want sensible way of coding C++ GUI applications?
 
The downfall started around the time they decided to prefix classes with C
 
@BartekBanachewicz What do you mean? Reinventing strings and stuff? Or something else?
 
Well if MFC 2.0 was based on C++11 and stdlib, it would be great.
 
1:46 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Yes
 
I've never seen any sensible way of coding a GUI application.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes more or less that. and CArray
 
gtkmm is not bad
But hard to get running right now
 
... because cross platform?
 
Because Windows is a horrible platform and open-source projects are terrible at supporting Windows
 
1:47 PM
well, I'd use WTL for a small app, and WTL+HTMLayout for bigger one
 
@BartekBanachewicz Well, they didn't quite "reinvent" anything as there was no standard :P
 
@CatPlusPlus lol
 
@CatPlusPlus Foobar2000. Notepad++
 
@BartekBanachewicz What
 
Foobar isn't open-source, silly.
 
1:48 PM
don't need or care about open-source
 
Yes a music player and a text editor are VERY RELEVANT to the quality of development on a platform
 
These are just examples it's possible
 
It's possible to develop on raw hardware too
 
However, both of those apps had to reinvent what microsoft should provide in the first place
 
It's still not relevant to anything
 
1:49 PM
@DeadMG Well, he replied to the cat mention of how terrible they are supporting Windows, so I think it isn't a good example.
 
foobar didn't really have to reinvent anything
 
It's Forms UI is their creation IIRC
 
Well, Notepad either
Expecting OS to provide advanced text editing capabilities is silly
(I want OS with vim builtin)
 
(Okay maybe emacs does that)
 
1:50 PM
Damn, beat me to it.
 
Way ahead of ya
 
I think it's called viper mode.
 
@BartekBanachewicz What
 
@CatPlusPlus foobar dockable components?
 
Oh it has dockable components
 
1:51 PM
Well if you don't use foobar then why discuss it?
 
I use foobar
I literally never look at the UI
 
Ah, that might be the case.
 
Because seriously who needs advanced UI in a music player
 
Well, advanced != customizable
 
Who needs customisable UI in a music player
 
1:52 PM
I don't want to see my meidia player most of the time
 
It needs a) library view b) playlist c) volume control d) seekbar maybe
 
I simply want it to play my fucking music
 
Foobar isn't only player
 
does anyone have a clue how I connect VS 2012 with that git extension thing to github? ._.
 
@melak47 CTP 2
 
1:53 PM
You can do that UI in one night
@melak47 Er
 
@BartekBanachewicz yeah, but how di I actually do it
 
I can't. Can you?
 
occasionally I will want to look at it to tell it what songs to play, but for the most part it can hide away with next to no gui
 
By adding remote?
 
@melak47 lol
 
1:53 PM
@melak47 isn't that fucking unreleased yet?
 
@melak47 it's for TFS, not github
 
@BartekBanachewicz What, prototype UI like that in one night?
 
I can only find "connect to TFS" options
 
@BartekBanachewicz making the gui, yes, it should be piss easy. The functionality behind the gui is not part of making the gui btw
 
Stop being so bad
 
1:54 PM
@melak47 BECAUSE IT WASN'T RELEASED YET
 
@BartekBanachewicz because what wasn't released yet
 
@melak47 It's git for TFS
 
@thecoshman Actually, at work I don't even use foobar for that, since I stream the music from my server. I just fire it up and press play.
 
@melak47 Git support sigh
 
@BartekBanachewicz so fucking what?
 
1:54 PM
If you have git repo you can push it anywhere you know
 
@BartekBanachewicz but it works with my local git repo :/
 
@Abyx wanna fucking biscuit?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yup I stream too
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes do you not even care what you are listening to though?
 
@BartekBanachewicz I don't like biscuits.
 
1:55 PM
@thecoshman Yes, but I set that in the server.
 
But sometimes I use library view because I've accumulated soundtracks from Humble Bundles and shit
 
I mean, foobar is also for managing your music library. Rettaging and shit
 
@thecoshman I don't
@BartekBanachewicz OCD you mean
 
@CatPlusPlus Last.FM?
 
What about it
 
1:56 PM
It requires tags.
We're off topic.
 
What is Last.FM?
 
MUST TAG ALL MUSIC
TO SHOW INTERNET WHAT I LISTEN TO
Yeah totally not OCD
 
what is topic?
 
oh WTF damn what's this pl
 
Oh man you listen to music
Amazing
 
1:57 PM
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: The topic is missing. Let us know if you find it. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [get-out] [no-questions] [no-singletons]
 
room topic changed to Lounge<C++>: The topic is missing. Let us know if you find it. [c++] [c++11] [c++-faq] [get-out] [no-questions] [no-singletons] [no-topic]
 
@BartekBanachewicz so, wait, you heart music on last.FM, but you laugh at me for using star ratings....
 
@melak47 haha
 
Ahahaha "hearting music"
 
@melak47 I hearted maybe 5 songs?
 
1:58 PM
@BartekBanachewicz 73, to be exact
 
It was back in high school, I don't use this feature anymore
 
So Last.FM is like Facebook for listening to music?
 
Compared to total number of songs I like, it's still very low %
@R.MartinhoFernandes more or less. You can instantly compare music preferences with a person you just met, and that's mostly what I use it for.
 
Fun fact: VKontakte has this built-in
 
1:59 PM
Ok, that explains why I never learned what it is.
 
I don't know why I know this but there you go
 
@CatPlusPlus What is that?
 
Russian Facebook
 
russian facebook.
 

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