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12:02 AM
I hate windows.... it wont let me cd into my USB drive >.>
 
@ITNinja Huh? Does it mount the volume? What do you do to cd? You know you must do F: (or whatever driveletter was assigned), then cd to a path, right?
 
@sehe ty, that worked
 
@ITNinja Ever since MSDOS 1.0
 
@sehe im used to linux in which you cd to /media
 
@ITNinja UNIX has the unified filesystem: 1 root. Windows: multiple roots, hence the need to 'change drive' first
 
12:05 AM
^ Weird photo.
 
@sehe cool :) tyvm for the info ^.^
 
@ITNinja Obviously multiple roots isn't cool. I think in practice MS is maybe trying to move away from it. But people will be used to seeing C: for at least a decade from now, I guess.
Actually, C: was just a convention, to indicate BIOS drive 0x80 - usually the (first) harddisk
Someone had figured that two floppy drives "ought to be enough for anybody" :)
 
yeah, I dont like it at all >.> i was sitting here for like 10 minutes like wtf? xD
 
@sehe I think multiple roots makes more sense.
 
@DeadMG Really. I treat my system as one. I'll have multiple roots only if I'm running separate logical containers (UML, changeroots, VMs etc)
 
12:08 AM
yeah
except when it matters which data is on which hard drive
for example, if one is an SSD, or one needs replacing, or moving
 
i never figured what happens if root filesystem crashes?
 
@DeadMG Well, that's orthogonal, of course, and precisely why I prefer the 1-root thing
@Cheersandhth.-Alf FS is not a process, so it can't actually crash.
 
most annoying thing: having to use 3rd party thing to mount dvd image as drive in windows
 
@sehe Well, it's not really orthogonal at all.
 
@sehe file system crashing means it stops working
 
12:10 AM
I use a filesystem to manage my files. That includes what disk they're on.
 
The root FS isn't even a filesystem driver, the mountpoints are managed by FS drivers.
 
typically by overwrite of master file block or sumthing
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Right. Well, simply: it doesn't. Reason: it's too simple. It can only stop working if you factor in a full kernel oops. In that case, you're comparing a mishap of BSD proportions
@Cheersandhth.-Alf The root FS (as in the virtual thing) doesn't have a master block: it's virtual, and it's managed by kernel code only. Of course, if you have something mounted on / that gets borked, that can bring your system down, depending on what you have running.
 
hm, not sure i get that (completely)
 
Some systems are specificly designed to run from RAM, making hardware drive failure not a problem.
If RAMfs is involved, of course, you could still purposely corrupt the RAM fs, or the memory could fail, but hey: then you're screwed anyway
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Well, you started by saying "i never figured what happens if root filesystem crashes?" in response of us discussing the UNIX unified filesystem (single / namespace). I thought you might worry about every mount point going down at once.
 
12:14 AM
yes
 
In practice the answer is: it won't happen. / mount point may fail, but the underlying mount points will keep functioning.
They are different devices, after all, with different drivers.
 
ok that sounds good
 
So, if the mounted FS at / fails, navigability may be a problem, but if the program knows the fully qualified path, getting to underlying filesystems is not an issue
 
so basically what would appear to happen would be that everything disappeared except the paths down to the other mounted drives (and their directory trees)
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf In fact, I had a mishap earlier this year, in which I overwrote the partition mounted on / on a live system. This is what it looked like:
Apr 9 at 12:16, by sehe
sehe@bbs2:/tmp$ pv /dev/sdc | sudo dd of=/dev/sdb bs=1M
[sudo] password for sehe:
^C87GB 0:01:51 [46.8MB/s] [>                                                     ]  0% ETA 8:49:09
0+39979 records in
0+39979 records out
5240127488 bytes (5.2 B) ␌⎺⎻␋␊␍, -2.33039␊+268 ⎽,
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@Cheersandhth.-Alf In a way. Yes.
@Cheersandhth.-Alf As you can see, that system, like most, wasn't exactly running from RAM (or on readonly root fs, which is more common)
 
12:21 AM
"as you can see" he he
i can understand that dd is a dumpt thing, and sudo means "don't object now"
 
LOL
^C87GB 0:01:51 [46.8MB/s] [> looks like the ctrl-c didn't work
 
@Chimera Oh, it did, just echoes as well
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Yup that was rather painful. Had it back up and running within ~1 hour though. Mostly due to the coolness that is ZFS
... and, partly, because of unified filesystems (everything is auto-mounted on some wellknown paths, no magic drive letter assignments that change with kernel versions)
 
What exactly are they teaching at colleges these days? Gave a lecture at a university and most of the audience didn't even know what a pointer was.
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@IDWMaster Java
oops.... no pointers
 
@IDWMaster The Java language specification clearly specifies what a "pointer" is. They should know.
 
12:28 AM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Yeah, but they don't "actively" use pointers while writing Java.
 
we should start a campaign to get pascal back in schools
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf It's a C++ room; let's start a campaign to get C++ taught in schools again.
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Yes, that's what my university was teaching back in '89
 
If you want to start a Pascal campaign; go to a Pascal room.
 
Information-theory-related question on Super User:
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Q: Why doesn't Gzip compression eliminate duplicate chunks of data?

GuidoI just did a little experiment where I created a tar archive with duplicate files to see if it would be compressed, to my awe, it was not! Details follow (results indented for reading pleasure): $ dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1M count=1 of=a 1+0 records in 1+0 records out 1048576 bytes (1.0 MB) c...

 
12:30 AM
@IDWMaster no, you misunderstand. this is not the place to fanboy or on topic for that matter. here, we just relate to the world as-is.
maybe i better post that pic of lenna again
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf What's this "Pascal" thing? Did you mean Haskell?
 
@Mechanicalsnail Pascal is the superior language that is seldom used anymore.
 
Don't you mean en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenna (NSFW) :P
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Modula2, was being taught in my college
 
12:33 AM
@sehe modula-2 was great except for the all uppercase
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf :) I never liked it much
 
@sehe it was a super-duper language. designed for fast compilation, with coroutine support. niklaus-man designed the Lilith machine to run Modula-2.
 
@Chimera It was a joke
 
i used Modula-2 on the Atari 1040ST
Motorola 68K processor
very nice
 
@Mechanicalsnail Oh I know.... so was my comment.
 
12:35 AM
@Cheersandhth.-Alf coroutines? I never reached that, or maybe it was left out of the book
 
@sehe it's the only language family i know with built in coroutine support. the TRANSFER primitive, IIRC
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Erlang?
 
i don't know it :-)
 
@Mechanicalsnail Wow. As dryve-by's go, that is a pretty informative answer :)
I'm off to bed. Night all
 
12:51 AM
what was that cooperative coding site again (shared code editing)?
 
1:16 AM
Ugh.. I want a cheap old tablet that I can hack around on....
 
1:42 AM
It's quiet here...
 
2:17 AM
Too quiet...
 
good evening :)
 
be careful, it's a trap!
 
@Borgleader That has a different meaning in anime.
 
I thought it was a reference to Starfox N64
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0241985/quotes
[entering asteroid field, devoid of enemies]
Peppy Hare: It's quiet. Too quiet... be careful, it's a trap!
 
2:35 AM
sigh anyone still alive in here? Or did everyone die of boredom? xD
 
Yeah, we're all dead.
Most of the NA timezone regulars aren't here today.
 
ahh :P yeah, im just working on some fun projects haha
hbu, whats up?
 
studying...
 
studying is exactly what im procrastinating from lol.
 
What the hell.
When I rebuild my solution in VS, one of the output .lib files gets created and then deleted, causing the next project to fail at link time because it cannot find the lib.
 
2:45 AM
lol?
Did you mess with the any of the post-compile options?
 
@Mysticial Hmmm.
Nope.
 
I don't think I've every see VS delete it's temp files.
Either that, or it's happening so quickly that I don't notice it.
 
3:36 AM
How can you see a delete?
 
3:58 AM
I fixed it.
Two different projects used the same output path.
So when I did a rebuild, the second project cleared its output path, deleting the previous project's output file.
 
@EtiennedeMartel many cooks much unorder
many chefs high entropy?
what?
 
@Mysticial I'm dead.
Wow.. this person may actually have the answer to my Floating Point Exception problem.
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A: Floating point exception ( SIGFPE ) on 'int main(){ return(0); }'

nneonneoThis is going to sound like a really long shot...but can you try the following? $ readelf fail and look for a GNU_HASH dynamic tag? My guess is that the binary uses GNU_HASH, and your ld.so is too old to understand it. The GNU hash section was added some time around 2008, and your system appea...

everybody is gone. So lonely :-)
 
4:18 AM
I'm lurking. Busy with other things, but lurking.
 
okee dokee
 
im here, but not for long. its getting late
 
I've been playing games lately since I have nothing else to do. lol
 
lol ive been working on a little usb filesystem. Nothing special, just something to work on lol.
 
 
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sbi
6:27 AM
I'm not sure how a written invitation is supposed to prompt illiterates to learn to read and write. Would the QR help? http://twitpic.com/ay4gts
 
lulz
 
sbi
Really, this is weird. I was standing at the tram stop outside my son's school this morning, when this caught my attention. At first I liked the idea, but then it struck me that they are targeting an audience that cannot read, and will be even less likely to even look at posters than the rest of the society.
What were they thinking? I mean, this is a poster paid for by the government. They must have paid someone to think this up, and government employees must have looked at that campaign before they signed the check.
 
@Chimera poor thing
 
good morging everybody
 
sbi
Now why would anyone here know anything about ffmpeg and vbscript?
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6:40 AM
Wow. Just wow. Nice analysis. +1 regardless of whether it fixes the issue for the OP — sehe 8 secs ago
We have enough experiance with morgings to know that caffeine helps
 
sbi
@rekire How in the world do you expect us to have experience in debugging vbscript problems with ffmpeg?
Well, now that this it clear that you hoped in vain, I suggest we close the topic.
 
okay...
 
@rekire I started a room for us, perhaps I can brainstorm a bit with you
 
sbi
4 messages moved to bin
 
7:08 AM
someone say something, quick - the lounge dropped to second page of active rooms!!!
@TheForestAndtheTrees We missed you for it
(lame pun disclaimer)
 
Wait a minute. Why, if I scroll up, is my message still listed. My message from last night, about 20 minutes before I said goodbye... Urff. slow traffic indeed
@TheForestAndtheTrees Not much ^
 
sbi
@TheForestAndtheTrees It's ↑, I think.
@sehe You just sleep too little.
 
@sbi hehe that's an original one
@sbi I'm starting to think that is actually true - not just by comparison. I'm trying to get more sleep these days.
 
sbi
@sehe Well, you logged off around 2:30, and appear back here by 8:30. That's 6hrs, if I got my math right. If I have that little of sleep, it feels bad after a while, and I also need to get a few other things in between me logging off and on here. Given that you had to brush your teeth and maybe have a shower, you had at most 5.5hrs of sleep — and that assumes you eat and care for your kids while you're online. I am not sure what to make of that.
 
7:20 AM
I've recently [read this] (can't find link) and I'm going to give it a shot. And read something about mindfulness (but not the fashionable brand, something recommended by a colleague whose judgment I quite value)
@sbi No I came online after getting the kids ready for school
 
sbi
@sehe So how much sleep did you have? 4 hours?
 
@sbi Erm... ~2:45 - ~7:30
I'll admit. This is bad.
 
sbi
No need to admit anything. I know different people have a different level of required sleep to function. (There is this famous English lady who got along with just 1hr of sleep per night.) Most would probably admire your ability. It just seems, uh, unnatural. :-/
 
@sbi I'm going to try to get to 8 hours for while though. I'm still fishing for that link that inspired me to just try it. (I might have gone so long with too little sleep that I don't quite remember what being fully focused felt like. Just hoping of course <big-grin/>)
 
sbi
> Finally someone got the idea to place the computer mouse on the tray of the test tube rocker. This moves the cursor continually on the screen, and the computer won’t be logged out. — Jonas Söderström
 
7:29 AM
Mornin'
 
@sbi The Lady PM?
mornign all :D
 
@sbi Bit of a noisy solution. Also not very environmentally friendly
 
@sbi because disabling that 'feature' is too much effort?
 
sbi
@thecoshman According to the article, the admins won't have that. (Aren't you the one who should know how this feels?)
 
7:33 AM
@sbi even when I was an admin for a placement year, I hated the admins
 
sbi
LOL!
 
@Xeo you here?
 
sbi
@LuchianGrigore Nope, he isn't. He might be there, though.
 
@LuchianGrigore Ohai. Also a person of little sleep!
 
@sehe I tell ya', I'm tired
Gonna get my ass kicked today
 
7:36 AM
Oh. That's not good.
@LuchianGrigore Are you in sports, or something?
 
virtual sports
FIFA
 
oh this is going to be a great day. They have walled off one corridor, thus I am now sat by the main walkway for about a hundred people, how do I slack off under these conditions?
@sbi don't you mean the other there?
 
sbi
@LuchianGrigore FIFA isn't virtual, it's real.
@thecoshman Bad for you, slacker!
 
@LuchianGrigore are denying FIFA exists, or referring to the game?
 
@sbi you just showed me a website dude... :))
@thecoshman the game.
 
7:39 AM
@sbi I didn't a word, I a wrod
 
sbi
@LuchianGrigore Oh, the irony in that! And to think that I hadn't noticed it!
 
@LuchianGrigore lol
 
@LuchianGrigore (Hint: the ape knows websites aren't 'real')
 
sbi
@LuchianGrigore Well, we get our asses kicked at a job, if we fail. You are complaining about the possibility of losing a game.
 
7:41 AM
Ok, so I'm IM'ing, and I misspelled something. So, obviously, I attempted the up arrow to try and edit what I just sent. <--- sign I'm spending too much time on here :)
 
@sbi He works at EA IIRC
@LuchianGrigore Or: you're too tired
 
sbi
@sehe If you were referring to this, I think your "lol" referred to the wrong message.
@sehe Oh. I didn't know that.
 
This ^ is what it looks like if you spend too much time on here. This what my google activity report summary looked like for this month
 
sbi
@sehe That explains why you come up with so many links to the past, here.
BTW, what's inurl: for? I suppose it's similar to site:. If so, what's the difference?
 
@sbi yeah. chat search is too limited, and too slow. OTOH, google results are really hard to tell apart, so I usually try chat search first
@sbi inurl means, literally, a substring needs to be in the url, so inurl:rooms/10/loungec would make sense
 
7:45 AM
@sbi site limits search to a domain (and its subdomains). inurl checks for a substring in the url
 
@LuchianGrigore sign too many things are broken
 
sbi
Ah, thanks, @sehe & @jalf.
 
Loved @shanselman post on "everything's broken" http://www.hanselman.com/blog/EverythingsBrokenAndNobodysUpset.aspx
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@TonyTheLion Goede morgen buurman
 
the former can be handy for limiting to a specific country: site:dk for all .dk sites, without having to hunt through Google's UI to toggle it
 
7:49 AM
@sehe Goede morgen!
 
@jalf that wouldn't work well for dutch sites which are dispersed across .net, .com, .nl and .eu
 
@sehe indeed
@sehe AFAIK more or less every country makes use of .com .net and .edu address on top off 'their' .co.*
 
@sehe well, so are danish ones. It's not a language filter (Google has separate options for sites on national subdomains (.dk) and for all sites in a specific language
but it can be handy if you're looking for something you know is on a .nl
 
The new XBox interface is slow and bloated
what a unsurprising state of affairs
 
@TonyTheLion you have your hands on a next-gen console?
 
7:53 AM
@sehe that is a good posts
 
@TonyTheLion I think you wrote 'new XBox' in that as well by mistake
 
is there any chat room for 'C'?
 
@MKSingh Have you searched for it?
 
@thecoshman new XBox interface, as in the new interface for the XBox (is how I read it)
 
@LuchianGrigore no, but my console updated the software it runs and now it looks like a Windows 8 machine and is slow
 
7:54 AM
yes didn't find it..
 
@MKSingh No
 
@jalf I was implying that all interfaces are slow and blaoted
 
Can I ask my question for C over here?
 
@MKSingh you can ask, but don't expect an answer. That's not to say we won't give you one, just that we might not be able to
 
:D
 
7:54 AM
I meant the software that runs on an Xbox that looks like MS new UI for everything under the sun moon and stars they have now (ie Win 8 metro style)
 

LOUNGE(C);

A room to hang out and chat. The primary focus is on the C lan...
It's not very active though
 
struct i_suck_by_definition {};
 
@MKSingh you can ask questions on stackoverflow
 
@thecoshman all the interfaces everywhere
 
@TonyTheLion I kind of like the idea that they have a consistent look. Sure they would need to adapt it a bit for each platform, but it's nice to have a MS style interface
 
7:55 AM
@sbi Anyways, @LuchianGrigore has been working late on writing up a new entry.
 
@jalf sure :P
 
I suggested he break up the answers to make it a little less daunting to read, seeing that the target audience likely includes newbies.
 
I'll try.. Thanks..
and I asked there.. not getting much help...
 
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Q: What is an undefined reference/unresolved external symbol error and how do I fix it?

Luchian GrigoreWhat are undefined reference/unresolved external symbol errors? What are common causes and how to fix them? Feel free to edit/add your own.

 
@sehe review it yet?
 
7:56 AM
@thecoshman yea that's true
 
@MKSingh Wait. You searched, couldn't find it, yet you have asked a question there? Let me see...
 
@MKSingh last message four days ago ¬_¬
 
@MKSingh according to chat history, you never talked in that room
 
@MKSingh did you see the comments?
 
@MKSingh Oh, you meant on Stack Overflow
 
7:58 AM
It's funny that you have to link it :))
 
I never said that I talked. After seeing the frequency of ppl chatting there.. I dropped the Idea instantly.
:-D
 
sbi
@sehe Yeah, it's hard to tell with him not referring to specific messages.
 
@LuchianGrigore It comes natural. Just type [SO]
 
sbi
@MKSingh So you did find the room?
 
This is a question on 'C'..
I am compiling my program on Solaris server.. But it is giving me error:
'INTERNAL ERROR: Failed Assertion [Code=40706]' error.
 
7:59 AM
@sehe is there a list of handy chat commands? Stack Overflow
heh, it worked
 
Same for [SU], [SF], [P.SE] (nah the latter is wrong)
 

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