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6:00 PM
@Mysticial Really? How do I get to the newsletter?
 
@MooingDuck Well, in terms of metres, it's always 299792458 m/s, but m/s gets bigger (or smaller).
 
@Mysticial Wow, thanks
 
It's too late to get today's newsletter, but you can subscribe for future ones.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes that would imply that the speed of light changes.
 
6:00 PM
They come every Tuesday.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I got that. But 1.602 vs 1.603 won't change that.
 
@MooingDuck Nope, our measurement of it becomes more accurate.
@DeadMG But it depends on how accurate our measurement of the charge of the electron is. I guess we want to pick a fundamental constant that is highly accurate.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Only if you want to match the current Coulomb precisely.
 
@MooingDuck When I say that m/s becomes bigger, I only mean all the rulers are wrong.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes oh wait, meters are defined in terms of speed of light now. Yes, you're right. But that would mean that every measurement ever made in/with meters must be updated.
 
6:04 PM
@MooingDuck Nope, because all measurements are made with a known degree of error.
 
@Mysticial I am subscribed. Can I only see a preview? Or is the preview seeing the newsletter? I don't see any other link to view the SO newsletter.
@MooingDuck It does.
 
@Chimera You get it in email.
 
So you say this thing is 1m +- 1cm long. And it's still ok with more accurate metres (metres won't become 1cm more accurate!).
 
@Mysticial Oh ok.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes makes sense.
 
6:04 PM
The one for today is already sent.
So you'll have to wait for next week.
 
@Mysticial I am subscribed, so I should have it.
 
@Chimera There's a slight delay I think.
I always get mine a couple hours late.
It might be more for you.
 
Ok, Well I should be able to see the older ones...
 
Then clearly you have them blocked.
The newsletter thing is pretty well hidden.
I didn't "discover" the newsletters until I started noticing sudden bursts of upvotes on some of my bigger answers.
They would always occur on the Tuesday after the question was posted.
And then I looked around and found that it was due to the newsletter.
 
Xeo
> Unfortunately, some application library writers think that they are supplying headers, and so use < > form inclusion all over the place, whilst others think that they are supplying source files and so use " " form inclusion all over the place. [from the underscore proposal]
 
Xeo
wtf.
@FredOverflow Nice
 
@Neil Since 2008, for two weeks a year, I pretend that C++ doesn't exist. That period starts next week, and I am already preparing myself mentally.
 
@Xeo is there any particular reason why you didn't mention Fate/Stay night in your list of recommendations?
 
@FredOverflow Forced ignorance is bliss?
 
C teaching job
 
Xeo
6:17 PM
@StackedCrooked A good question, tbh. I somehow associated you with the person that played F/SN and didn't like it
Btw @Stacked, do you use walkthroughs / flow charts?
 
I used flow chart when finishing some of the secondary routes in Tsukihime.
Because I got stuck for a while.
I guess F/SN is similar to Tsukihime in the number of branches?
 
Xeo
I you accidentally a word.
But no, F/SN only has 3
 
Fixed.
 
@StackedCrooked Are we talking about stuff similar to Katawa Shoujo?
 
Xeo
@jornak Kinda
VNs in general
 
6:19 PM
@jornak Haven't seen that.
 
I clocked a shit-ton of hours in KS
 
Xeo
F/SN has Heaven's Feel, Fate and Unlimited Blade Works routes.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yesterday I messed a bit with Roslyn. Despite the lack of documentation, I managed to make a mini C# scripting console.
 
@Xeo Eroge, though?
 
6:20 PM
I wonder why some VNs are considered to be better suited for beginners than others. On what criteria are they deciding.
 
Xeo
@jornak Eroge are a subset of VNs
 
I know.
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked Story, complexity, ecchiness?
 
But are you talking about an eroge VN or no?
 
Xeo
@jornak F/SN has eroge elements in it, yes, but it's not the primary concern to bang any available heroine. :)
 
6:21 PM
I suspect that Tsukihime is for many people their first VN and yet it's not listed as a beginners VN.
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked Because it's complex as heck, with all the bad ends
 
@Xeo Yeah, Katawa Shoujo is the same way I guess. I think it hit me a bit harder though because I (am still in love with) loved a handicapped girl, lol
 
@Xeo True. The README warned not to use the flowchart because the game is really easy. However, I got stuck for hours trying to get beyond a certain point.
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked I personally always play VNs with walkthroughs / flow charts (I prefer those), since I'm more concerned with the story aspect than with the gaming aspect.
 
VN?
 
6:24 PM
Sometimes the bad endings can be fairly interesting though
 
@DeadMG Visual Novel. Basically on-screen novel with background music and accompanying artwork.
 
With KS there's one storyline full of shit that you wouldn't think makes a difference
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Thanks very much for the heads-up. Only went through the tuple proposal. I feel like I should contact the author or see if there's a discussion on the Standard list (the latter would be the most productive, wouldn't it)?
 
So I just gave my two weeks notice at my current job
It appears they may still want to hire me to work remotely on a per-project basis
 
@jornak that's cool
 
6:27 PM
@Chimera I felt like I was completely abandoning them as I'm the only one in a ~150km radius who can do this sort of work.
But this makes me feel a bit better.
 
@jornak good good
What do you do?
 
Xeo
@StackedCrooked No, I have this though. :)
 
Xeo
Wait, imgur scaled it down.
 
@Xeo Dammit and I thought I had something cool.
 
Xeo
6:28 PM
@DeadMG Alf linked that this morning
 
@Xeo what's that last rating? ERD?
 
Xeo
@MooingDuck Ero
 
Swan Song doesn't look sane :p
 
@Chimera DBA / Network Admin, as well as some web dev, and programming as well
 
@Xeo Assuming I know nothing of anime, what's Ero?
 
Xeo
6:30 PM
@Stacked Here's a downloadable full-size version: dropbox.com/s/jx6jzl227jlqi4u/1287851097469.jpg
@MooingDuck How good / much sex scenes there are
 
@Xeo ooooh. Seems like a good rating to have
 
Xeo
Or did you mean the word itself?
 
@Xeo Great
 
@Xeo I figured it out
 
Xeo
@MooingDuck Depends, sometimes the story suffers from too much Ero
 
6:31 PM
@Xeo You should have to put in some effort for it
 
Xeo
And there are games that are entirely devoted to Ero and consist pretty much only of sex scenes
 
@Xeo I was just imagining opening a random book and not expecting it :/
@Xeo oh, are those games? I assumed anime (movies)
 
Xeo
7 mins ago, by StackedCrooked
@DeadMG Visual Novel. Basically on-screen novel with background music and accompanying artwork.
Also, you have descisions (most of the time) in those novels.
 
@Xeo oops
 
With a choose your own adventure aspect
 
Xeo
6:32 PM
@jornak kinda
 
@Xeo It's the best way to explain it to non-nerds :P
 
Xeo
It's more like "choose to either die or get the ending we want you to have" for most.
Atleast for TYPE-MOON novels it is..
 
@Xeo thats how a lot of choose your own adventure went if I recall
 
@Xeo -turns to page 2 and is raped by evil troll demons-
 
Xeo
lol
 
6:33 PM
I find myself liking the soundtrack to Pixar's Brave movie. It's very irish.
 
@Xeo You should try Katawa Shoujo if you haven't already... although it may be a little too "easy" but I love the story
 
Xeo
@jornak I have the installer loaded by couldn't be arsed to actually install it. :/
 
@Xeo Yeah, that guy is crazy.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes batshit insane
 
@Xeo Give it a try. If you don't like it, it's easy enough to uninstall :P
 
Xeo
6:36 PM
@jornak Meh, need to finish Saya no Uta first
 
@EtiennedeMartel Oh, code generation works now? Last preview I checked (long ago, yeah :P) only frontend bits worked. Cool.
 
@Xeo Oh are you into a little more hardcore stuff like SnU? O_o
 
@DeadMG I wonder what the committee members will do (did? I don't know) when they discuss the proposal in their next (previous?) meeting.
 
@MooingDuck I believe "celtic" is more the adjective that would describe the sounds and style of the music
 
6:38 PM
"WTF" is the only possible reaction from someone that knows some C++.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Buy some bat shit and mail it to the guy, obviously.
 
and include a letter saying "THIS IS HOW CRAZY YOU ARE. Signed, WG21."
 
@Drise Fans of their music.
 
Xeo
6:39 PM
@jornak Erm.. not really, but I planned on playing it since some time, as many people recommended it, and @Stacked played it some days ago and seemed to really like it
@R.MartinhoFernandes I think the next meeting is in November or something
 
@Xeo Not sure if playing it while sleep deprived enhanced or diminished the experience.
 
Seriously, the only sane thing you need to do to avoid conflicts with user-defined macros is the same you need to avoid conflicts with any other kind of symbol: namespaces.
Users that don't namespace their macros are not audience for my libraries.
It's ALL_UPPERCASE with a prefix. Anything else, fuck off. You only reap what you sow.
 
Standard doesn't disallow lower case macros does it?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes And Windows.h macros.
 
@StackedCrooked So what?
 
6:42 PM
@StackedCrooked I use lower-case macros a lot.
 
So it's just a convention, not really something enforcable.
 
Xeo
@Mysticial You program C
 
@Mysticial burn
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes You had me confused for a second. I was like "Aren't macros handled pre-compilation?"
 
Xeo
Nearly the whole C stdlib is allowed to be macros, IIRC.
 
6:43 PM
:)
 
Anyway, I agree with uppercase. It also makes the macros visibly stand out among the rest of the code.
 
@StackedCrooked There are lots of things the standard doesn't disallow, but only airheads use.
Non-uppercase, non-prefixed macros are an invitation for trouble.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes #define FOR for
#define ENDIF }
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg."
 
Non-prefixed macros may be acceptable in application code, but they must be uppercase because I don't want to fucking butcher my parameter names because you had an attack of silliness.
 
6:46 PM
Should macro argument names also be full uppercase?
 
@StackedCrooked yes
 
What is the reasoning for that?
 
Xeo
@DeadMG Why?
 
because macros
2
 
@DeadMG macro arguments
 
6:46 PM
I don't think their scope changes anything.
 
not the point
the point is, all macros and everything preprocessor should be kept in a 30-foot lead shielded metal container
 
@DeadMG I don't see a problem with #define STRINGIZE(some_argument) #some_argument.
 
@Xeo Is that supposed to be an insult? ;)
 
@StackedCrooked No, half Upper, half Lower.
 
Xeo
@FredOverflow No, a given fact. :)
 
6:47 PM
LiKeThIs
 
@jornak oK
 
@jornak So rand()_case then?
 
@Xeo It's both!
 
Heh.
 
6:48 PM
@MooingDuck Hey, I built a program like that once!
 
posted on September 25, 2012 by Dave Abrahams

A couple of noteworthy things have happened since we floated the idea of a pythy syntax for functions. First, Paul Fultz came up with a library implementation of Pythy syntax. Wow! I’m not sure where this will lead but I’m eager to see what it feels like in practice (also check out some of his [...]

 
And then put it on the global startup script that ran when anyone on the school logged in, and it opened some TCP port and waited for a connection to start the blinking.
 
btw
 
I was a bit evil back then.
 
to add or not to add properties to Wide?
 
6:50 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes so it wouldn't blink unless someone connected to that computer on that specific TCP port?
 
@MooingDuck Yep. I would then telnet to it and BAM.
 
y'know
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I remember using "netsend" to correct a prof's mistake, to the prof's computer (and thus the slideshow in front of the class)
 
they are just one instance of the generic problem of x.y.f() having f's this being x rather than y.
 
Then I started adding features and eventually made a client to control all the crap I put in. My favourite was text-to-speech. You sent a text message, and it was rendered on the "victim"'s speakers.
 
6:52 PM
Arse, fuck, drink, protocol-convertors. I have two hardware boxes, the one I'm not using has the code in the uC I cannot blow and and the one already wired in and configged everywhere has the soddin' code in a separate flash I can. Now I have to blow test code for another system means hours faffing about:((
 
@DeadMG I'm a bit torn on that issue.
 
@jornak Ah ok.
 
lol
 
I do think there's a case for saying that properties make some things easier and cleaner.
 
Yeah, but they mess up somethings.
You cannot pass a property by reference to a function that mutates an argument and have the setter called.
 
6:55 PM
quite true
 
@DeadMG Do you have experience using properties in C# or something?
 
Well, it's not like you can do that with a normal setter either.
 
@FredOverflow Some.
@R.MartinhoFernandes Was also thinking get-only.
 
In general, I would not add anything unless you see a strong need for it. You can always add later; removing stuff from a language is practically impossible.
 
@jornak Why does the "highschool" matter?
 
hmm, did a search for "Class" in the Java code to find bits where we play with reflection. 579 matches found :(
 
@FredOverflow Generally (at least in my day) it took a few months before you got anywhere near third-base with a highschooler
 
@jornak What is third-base? Sex?
 
No, that's home
 
6:57 PM
@FredOverflow I tend to agree.
 
@FredOverflow: He's talking baseball...of course ;)
 
@jornak So... boobies then?
 
@FredOverflow Generally oral
 
and clotheslessness
The last time I got to second-base with a highschooler... 7 months ago? <_<
 
6:58 PM
So, highschool... does that mean the smarter, the harder to get?
 
Hm?
Generally 20-25 = easy
 
I mean are university students even harder to get?
 
@FredOverflow pft, university students are as easy as they get. "Here, have wine"
 
Yeah.
@MooingDuck "I'll do your physics homework for a handy"
 

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