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7:00 PM
It's a meeting. I present for you my game and you tell me if you manage it
 
@Darkeden what do you mean by manage?
 
@thecoshman if you can write a game server for far too less money.
:P
 
and if you are expecting full time support, you are going to have to beat my current salary and benefits
any Off Spring fans?
 
@Darkeden a meeting in real life? Or a virtual one?
Or an emo meeting? I like emo meetings.
 
Unfortunatelly we are going in the wrong way here.
Discussing what is out of the discussion.
I can't tell you I will pay you $100 or $1.000 for a job, before to know if you can do that, if you want to do that, if it's enough for the job.

It was suposed to be a meeting.
If you still want to talk about something, you can contact me.

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dk_genesis@hotmail.com
 
7:06 PM
@Darkeden why don't you put a proper job description on your site, and let me apply through that, if I think I like to look of it
 
@Darkeden yeah that would be cool. I might want to apply too. I have nothing to do during summer so I might be of some help if I get something back for it.
 
I said since the begining it's a small project.
If it was another kind I would accept your or Radek's suggestion.
 
@Darkeden Seriously? You want a specific job done, so you pay for the job, what do you want done and how much would you pay for it? all what rests is a contract
 
@CatPlusPlus hay! I just say that
@Darkeden I don't care how small your project is, you can still write a job description. What exactly would you want some one to do for you?
 
> [Testing completed. All tests passed (23 assertions in 2 test cases)]
Is it usual to have that much assertions in such a small amount of test cases?
 
7:10 PM
Improve a gameserver.
Fix a TO DO list and add some other features (if possible)
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik That depends on what the case is testing
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik is it normal to ask such rhetorical questions?
 
@thecoshman It ain't a rhetorical question.
@KillianDS A lexer. I have to test it against a lot of different kinds of tokens.
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik you're right, just a stupid one :P
 
I know. xD
 
7:12 PM
There are many test frame works, any many way's in which they could work
 
REQUIRE((diagnostic.message == diag::Diagnostic::Message::IdentifiersPrefixedWithDoubleUnderscoreAreReservedFor‌​TheImplementation));
:P
 
@Darkeden is this closed source?
 
no, it is not
 
My code is more verbose than @sbi's average chat message.
 
@Darkeden then link me to the public repo and ticket system
 
7:15 PM
 
@Darkeden I meant repository, not random file download
I assume you have been using source control...
 
As I expected.
 
@thecoshman There ain't a repo like you are thinking.
 
LOL
I'm sorry, I'm not taking the offer then.
 
@Darkeden you have got to be shitting me? you have not been using a source control system?
 
7:19 PM
@thecoshman Look at the code and you'll understand :)
 
@thecoshman I don't know what you are talking about
 
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Q: Why should I use version control?

jasondavisI was reading a blog where the writer said this "Code doesn’t exist unless it’s checked into a version control system. Use version control for everything you do. Any version control, SVN, Git, even CVS, master it and use it." I have never used any sort of version control and I do not fi...

 
@KillianDS you actually looked at it? fuck downloading some random archive
 
7:20 PM
No I'm joking it doesn't matter. You need to use version control. Git and Hg are good, SVN is decent.
@thecoshman I cannot even open it, it's a 7z archive.
 
@thecoshman I was bored :P
it's full of ugly macros and Managers
 
@KillianDS how bad is it?
@RadekdaknokSlupik fuck, even clearcase is something!
 
It's written by IBM so it's probably a piece of shit.
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Stupid giant, enterprisey software companies. They never get something right.
 
@thecoshman I know some people that use clearcase on a daily basis and would disagree with you :P
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik I have to use it at work. Honestly, utter shite
@KillianDS poor people. I don't know any one who suffer from a mental disorder
 
7:23 PM
@thecoshman Do your co-workers agree?
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik a lot of fucks get thrown around because of it
 
If they do, tell your boss/manager/the moron who introduced it.
 
@thecoshman Yeah, I think they locally switched to hg now and just sync to cc from time to time
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik it's deeply rooted into the company, I work for Ericssons
 
Ain't there some bridge with Git or Hg that you can use?
 
7:25 PM
@KillianDS From what you say, it seems you have checked the codes and you know what you are talking about. Would you be interested to try to help me with that?
 
@thecoshman I think outdated shitty technology is rooted in the telecom sector in general ;).
 
@Darkeden if you want to work with others, you are going to need a source control
@KillianDS you work in telecoms as well?
 
@thecoshman Alcatel-Lucent
@Darkeden haven't got the time, sorry (and besides, I'm not that good a coder at all)
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik there are front ends you can get, so you can use a local <what ever> repo. But I would still need to deal with clear case. I also have to deal with the fact that 'mastership' is off site, so I can't directly work on the main branch, or even merge to it. It's utter crap the way I am working with source control
@KillianDS any idea what the Dublin site does?
 
Well thank you...
If you change your mind and you can really do help me, contact me: dk_genesis@hotmail.com
I need it working and obviously, there is a payment.
@KillianDS bye
 
7:31 PM
@thecoshman Hmm that sucks.
 
@Dark dude, sort your self out. Get your self set up with some on-line source control site. Let people offer code updates. Use an issue tracker etc.
you might even be able to get this help for free
@RadekdaknokSlupik yes, yes it does :(
 
@thecoshman Not really, my divison doesn't have any department there. They do have a bell labs center there (pure research), but that's as far as my knowledge goes.
 
though not quite as much as this shitting linker errors!
@KillianDS I need to get my self driving, I could seriously consider applying to them
any way, I am watching concert
 
@thecoshman well, if you do that, google the division you're applying for. Alcalu is restructuring heavily at the moment (as almost any company in telecom) and some departments have a better future than others.
 
@Darkeden need what working?
 
7:45 PM
@DeadMG some game server without version control.
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik oh ok
 
The source code seems to consist of macros. Don't do it.
Meh molten Haribo candy tastes like shit.
Apple y u no update Xcode with clang 3.1.
 
Ell
Haribo suck. I only eat them because they are there - they taste of nothing
 
I do like Haribo Goldbären.
But that's about it.
 
Need what working? A gameserver.
If you want to go deeply, contact me
 
Ell
7:56 PM
I don't know what Goldbaren are
 
Candy is too sweet for me.
 
uh, you might want to be a little more detailed
 
Ell
"If you want to go deeply [inside me], contact me"
 
@Ell gummy bears.
@Ell but I don't.
 
Ell
ohhh. they taste of nothing too :L
 
7:57 PM
I like crisps and chocolate, but I enjoy a good salad or a piece of fruit way more.
Or bacon, I like bacon.
 
sbi
Meh. I have excellent wifi quality, and yet this chat loads so slowly, it took 3mins just to show me the starboard. That's because the excellent wifi connection is to my phone, which lies on the table right beside my laptop. And my phone has long since used up my flatrate's allowance for this month, and is now down to GRPS. :(
On the bright side, I'm sitting in my garden and I do have Internet.
 
Download more Bluetooth bandwidth.
 
download more RAM
 
Ell
@sbi how slow is so slow?
 
@Ell it took 3mins just to show me the starboard
 
Ell
8:00 PM
yeah well maybe there were initial connection issues :P
 
sbi
@Ell Indeed. The problem is, there are continuous connection issues as well.
@Ell "Goldbären". Note the "ä". Literally, it translates to "gold bears".
 
@sbi Why don't you connect your laptop directly to your network, instead of using your phone in between?
 
sbi
@Ell How can I tell? It's GRPS, and my phone shows two out of four bars for the mobile connection.
@RadekdaknokSlupik Because "my network" is about 3-5km away? "I'm sitting in my garden and I do have Internet."
 
Ell
@sbi I mean like a speedtest or something - although that might take too long to do :L
 
@sbi Excuse me. I assumed that your garden was attached to your house.
I prefer no internet over slow internet. :P
 
sbi
8:06 PM
@Ell I wouldn't want to try to download some speed testing software. is there something online?
 
No internet is good for your brain.
 
sbi
@RadekdaknokSlupik No, it isn't. It's about 5-10mins on my bike.
 
Ell
@sbi yeah - www.speedtest.net
I thought that was common knowledge? Am I missing something obvious here?
 
speedtest.net is pretty good. I have used it in the past.
 
sbi
@Ell Let's see how long it takes to load...
 
Ell
8:07 PM
Haha yeah :L
 
sbi
Taps foot. It's still downloading the flash stuff.
 
Ell
I get 1-2 mbps :(
 
Ell
@RadekdaknokSlupik what do you get?
 
8:09 PM
5 Mb/s
I want 20 Mb/s, though.
 
sbi
Damn. That stupid flash was just an ad to make me download the mobile phone version. Where do I have to click to get a result?
 
48Mbps DL, 52Mbps UL
not too bad
 
Ell
@ScarletAmaranth jesus are you serious?
 
want a screenshot ?
 
Ell
@sbi for me there is just a test now button. are you on your phone? or laptop via phone?
 
sbi
8:10 PM
@ScarletAmaranth Have Photoshop?
 
Ell
@ScarletAmaranth no i beleive you, but seriously consider yourself lucky, never take that forgranted!
 
sbi
@Ell Laptop via phone.
 
Ell
I have a theoretical max of 5 mbps download
 
sbi
@RadekdaknokSlupik You bastard. That takes forever to load for me.
 
8:11 PM
Sorry for the PNG format. I should have saved it as a PDF containing a BMP.
 
Ell
I was just about to say that :L
 
Ell
@sbi not sure why its asking you to dl mobile version. I'll try finding an alternate site
 
Can't you just ping google.com?
 
It's funny my upload is faster than DL.
 
8:13 PM
hi. wadup
 
Ell
@RadekdaknokSlupik no?
 
@Ell why not
 
sbi
It send me to /mobile.php. I now went back to the main page. It will have loaded any moment now...
 
Ell
sorry let me rephrase that :L Can you? how?
 
It's even funnier because I live in a fairly big shit of a country.
 
8:14 PM
@Ell like this:
% ping google.com
PING google.com (173.194.67.139): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 173.194.67.139: icmp_seq=0 ttl=47 time=24.969 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.67.139: icmp_seq=1 ttl=47 time=23.846 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.67.139: icmp_seq=2 ttl=50 time=23.323 ms
64 bytes from 173.194.67.139: icmp_seq=3 ttl=47 time=23.834 ms
 
Ell
I mean, how does that tell you the dl speed?
 
sbi
Ah, now it works. Let's see...
 
@sbi on the flags, I've just reread that episode. I think the short answer is: read the first page of the chat transcript after his How much would it cost to make a Website like www.flou.it. Don't forget, already he was flagging me, for quoting his own response from the PHP room
 
The third try took 3 hops fewer yet same latency, mhm.
 
Ell
@ScarletAmaranth do you have like a t3 line to your house? :L
 
8:15 PM
@sbi I'll post the long version of the summary right after I do the kitchen :)
 
@Ell see the time? It's in ms/64B
It's up and down combined, IIRC.
 
@Ell No, this is the cheapest internet you can get here, rofl.
 
Ell
ohh. Well I don't think you can use ping packets as a useful metric - you need the stable download speed or something
 
sbi
@sehe I am not going to follow those links now. I am online via GRPS. I have looked at the transcript and decided to agree with the flags against that guy.
 
Ell
Well I don't know :L
 
8:17 PM
@sbi I'll still post my ramblings, since I spent about 40 minutes compiling them. But later... :)
 
sbi
@sehe Post a link to them. :-)
 
Ell
does c++ have a pi constant anywhere?
 
Wiki does :)
 
Ell
right kk
 
8:18 PM
@sbi It's in 9 chat messages. I think it is ok (used chat markdown as well)
 
sbi
Well, ping test is done, and it says 1173ms. I guess that's not good. :-/
 
user406009
@Ell Isn't there M_PI in <cmath>?
 
@Ell static constexpr double pi = 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971
@sbi over 1s for 64 bytes?
@EthanSteinberg not standard.
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik I guess you could use static constexpr double pi = 4 * atan(1.0) ?
 
8:19 PM
Not to mention that you more often than not don't need that big pi precision :)
 
@sehe If atan is a constexpr function, yes.
 
sbi
@RadekdaknokSlupik A bit more than 1, IIUC.
 
@RadekdaknokSlupik I'd be surprised if the standard missed that oppty
 
sbi
Well, I do have a download speed. It's hilarious. I'm not giving it away, though, before the whole thing is done. You have to see a screen shot of that. :)
 
8:22 PM
@ScarletAmaranth If you need it or not, it's nice to have anyway.
It won't do any harm.
 
If i don't need it then i simply don't need it :P
 
@ScottW eat Goldbären.
At least, if I eat more than ten of them, I'm full. They taste good, but they are filling like bricks.
@ScottW I like the acid ones.
Now we're talking about food anyway… I want this.
 
What the bloody hell is going on :S
 
@Jeremy @ScottW came in.
 
lol
 
8:35 PM
Does anybody know a good talk, article or book on writing parsers? I already have a lexer and I don't want my parser to suck.
 
sbi
user image
2
 
sbi
Damn, that took forever to upload.
LOL! It's already starred, and I don't even see it yet!
 
These days pyramids just don't have uplinks they used to.
3
 
That's not an uplink, that's piss.
 
sbi
8:37 PM
Ha. It's already gotten two stars, and I still can't see my own message.
 
@KillianDS thanks for the advice
 
sbi
 
can't you use yacc or bison?
 
sbi
^See, the puppy.
 
@Jeremy I want decent and extensive diagnostics.
 
8:38 PM
@sbi you poor soul, what back water place are you from?
 
sbi
@thecoshman My garden, via GRPS.
 
Ell
I have no idea why I have a Dimension class (class Dimension { int width;intheight;};//pretty much). Too much bother for no return whatsoever?
 
I don't understand what you mean by that, sorry.
 
@sbi you locked out?
 
@Jeremy diagnostics are error messages and warnings.
 
8:40 PM
Ahh
 
sbi
@thecoshman No. It's supposed three nice days, and I packed the kids and took all the stuff (or was it the other way 'round?) and we went to stay out here for Whitsun.
 
And hints telling you how to fix something, including an example.
 
@sbi oh, I didn't know you could just put kids in storage
 
Hmm, well I'm not sure how extensive you can get with yacc\bison parsing errors.
 
8:41 PM
@CatPlusPlus that's cool.
 
sbi
@thecoshman Well, I put them to bed now, and it took only 20mins to become quiet, so it certainly feels like I packed them into some UStore locker. (I deliberately put them to bed 2.5hrs late, so that this would happen. They are basically sleeping in the same room I sit in, so I needed to have them really tired, or it would have driven all of us mad.)
 
Ell
How would one go about mixins in c++? Multiple inheritence would do it but provide an "is a " relationship which I don't like
 
sbi
haha!
 
Ell
slower than 99% of DE xD
 
8:45 PM
lol
 
@sbi something tells me, you ain't going to get much sleep; combination of kids and heat
why post one gif, when I can post many
 
Sigh I should get a book on C++ design patterns. Any suggestions?
 
sbi
@thecoshman I told you the kids are fast asleep already. And I'm not fearing heat, actually. It's supposed to drop to 9°C over night, and this garden house is small and not insulated in any way. I actually packed the down beds for us.
 
@Jeremy troll mode activate one that covers all the great things about singletons troll mode deactivated
 
sbi
@Jeremy Design patterns are, as their name says, about design, not about implementation. Therefore they are, mostly, language independent. If you want to learn something about pattern, the GoF book is a good one to start. Beware, though, most literature on patterns is old, and most regulars here almost despise them.
 
8:51 PM
so this is why I keep getting this at work: Dilbert
 
sbi
yesterday, by sbi
@FredOverflow Design patterns are only overrated because incapable Java programmers have nothing else to guide them in their coding. They are overrated in the same way (and for the same reasons) OO is overrated. They are still a very useful tool, though, where they (really) are applicable.
 
So they aren't worth reading?
 
@Jeremy patterns are a 'set' way of solving a common problem. These problems, and thus the patterns, are not tied to any one language. The problem with patterns, is that people can get fixated with them, and try to shoe who them into projects when a simpler solution could have been used. They are still a valuable tool to have in your kit
 
sbi
Sep 20 '11 at 15:19, by sbi
@jalf I'm not sure it's a complete waste of time. Yes, patterns are overused, but so is, erm, inheritance. You wouldn't throw out inheritance just because many people overuse it, would you?
 
I love writing lexe
 
8:57 PM
Think of design patterns like joints a carpenter might know. For the most part, they will use set few joints, occasionally they might need to find a new joint for an odd task. Other times, a carpenter might just need to wing it, and go for something unlike anything else
 
sbi
@thecoshman I like that very much! Nice analogy.
May 17 '11 at 11:48, by sbi
> Here's what most people got out of Design Patterns: "blah blah blah blah SINGLETON blah blah blah blah".
 
Alright, I'll keep that in mind, thanks.
 
@sbi does have the slight floor in that some one could take it to mean you should stick to patterns when ever you can. Still, feel free to use it your self, I am sure you can phrase it better then me
 

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