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Took about 2 weeks total for me to get it.
 
Well it looks like you've done well since then.
 
sorry, I know about the one-box image ban, but this one is just too funny
 
@JerryCoffin if you want to make it dump faster just add a few *'s to the typedef
@JerryCoffin I added like 8 and it dumped at 45mb of memory
 
@SpencerRuport Half of them are freebies (Fanatic, C/C++ tag, Electorate, Marshall), the rest are mostly luck.
 
7:01 AM
@JerryCoffin I cannot for the life of me figure out why it would do that
 
@stdOrgnlDave It's all right -- it's close to 300MB now, so it'll probably die soon enough...
 
*By freebie, I mean that you can actually work towards them. A lot of the gold badges require luck. (Populist, Great Answer, etc...)
 
stackoverflow.com/questions/8547778/… <-- Don't be so modest. That wasn't luck.
 
speaking of luck, I think that this one should've got more views and votesd
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A: How to fix warning C4793 with template class?

std''OrgnlDaveBig revision, since (in the comments) the poster explains why &T:Foo; was not an issue. The origins of this warning are somewhat stupidly complex. After investigation we find the following from Microsoft, which ComicSansMS also posted: When a template function is instantiated, the pragm...

the answer ended up being so interesting
 
@SpencerRuport Actually it was luck. If it hadn't been reddited, it would've been stuck at around 60 - 70 votes.
 
7:03 AM
Ah good old reddit.
 
@Mysticial Your rep is reddit-powered.
 
@Mysticial The only badge I figure means much of anything is Legendary. At least for the tag badges, they should add a platinum level for something like 10K upvotes. That might start to mean a little.
 
@JerryCoffin I would shamelessly request a platinum "Professor" badge for 250 votes + accept.
 
@JerryCoffin That would mean I'd have to start answering C++ questions like mad again! I've got a job now, I can't do that.
 
@JerryCoffin seriously, I'd like to engage in conversation on why adding some *'s dumps core exponentially faster. it's defined exponentially less new types, instantiated exponentially less templates, and uses memory two orders of magnitude less when it dies
 
7:06 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes That'd be true if weren't for the repcap.
 
Yeah, that's true.
 
sorry, one order of magnitude
 
@Mysticial You can have easily squeezed more rep out of an answer with less votes.
 
I got like what? 240 votes in a single day from the denormal float question?!? You can guess how much I hated that repcap.
 
7:08 AM
ick, denormal floats
people should just turn on the flags that treat them as zeros by default
 
@stdOrgnlDave That part is interesting. Does the same happen with clang? In theory gcc would work too, but I won't look at its source any more. If clang does the same, figuring out what's going on might at least be possible.
 
@JerryCoffin the particular code I showed you doesn't make GCC dump,but if you add a few *'s it still does. I haven't tried clang
 
@Mysticial Out of 197 votes in my best answer, I only lost the rep of about 30 to the rep cap. It built up slowly, and that usually works best.
 
@stdOrgnlDave what version? how long? I can't make it break a sweat. For about 15 minutes now
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Part of the reason was because I chose to reddit it early. I could've reddited it a few days later to "spread" the votes out, but then it wouldn't shoot to the top of SE hot-list and attracted whatever votes I got from that.
 
7:10 AM
Is that still the code I posted some days ago?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes is that you who came up with it? I'd totally forgotten
 
So I chose votes over rep.
 
@Mysticial And then cursed yourself for it!
 
@sehe add some *'s
@sehe ideone.com/B4lWw
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Hmm...my top answer is on a question since closed as "not constructive", so I guess I won't get any more from that one, anyway.
 
7:12 AM
@user1357970 close but no sigar: 135797 is almost prime (229*593) - forgetting about obvious factor x10
@stdOrgnlDave ideone.com/B4lWw (hyperlinks are natural on the web)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Nope, I don't regret it. The denormal float question capped me for almost 10 days straight anyway. So it wouldn't have mattered if I reddited it a few days later.
 
Maybe that's what I'm doing wrong.
I should post my answers to reddit sometimes.
 
@JerryCoffin And it's CW, and the system doesn't consider you to have the biggest contribution. lol (3 revs, 3 users 45% Eduardo Molteni).
 
anyone got clang handy?
 
@sehe Why are you teasing people that can't talk?
 
7:14 AM
I wasn't aware of that :)
 
@stdOrgnlDave I do.
 
But in IMO, that denormal float question wouldn't have gotten 20 votes if it didn't go on reddit. It had only 2 answers and low votes on the question. So it never would've made it up the SE hot list.
 
@stdOrgnlDave who hasn't
 
@RMartinhoFernandes care to give it a compile and see if it dumps core?
 
$ time make clang-test
clang++ -stdlib=libc++ -fcatch-undefined-behavior -Wfatal-errors -std=c++11 -Wall -Wextra -Werror -pedantic-errors -I/home/rmf/dev/libwheels/include -L/home/rmf/dev/libwheels/bin/debug -o clang-test test.c++ -lsupc++
clang-3: fatal error: unable to execute command: Segmentation fault
clang-3: note: diagnostic msg: Preprocessed source(s) and associated run script(s) are located at:
clang-3: note: diagnostic msg: /tmp/test-Bz703t.ii
clang-3: note: diagnostic msg: /tmp/test-Bz703t.sh
 
7:17 AM
Is it unable to execute the command because of the segfault or has it chosen the segfault as the only honourable way out since it can't deal with the command?
 
No frakking idea.
I'm not bothering with a bug report.
 
alright fellows. it's off to bed with me.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes As I recall, I hit repcap before it was converted to CW though. Not sure how the math works out though. My original was 223 characters. He added a link for 72 more. By my count, that's ~30%, not 45% (not that it matters -- but sometimes I wonder where their numbers come from anyway...)
 
oh but it is such a frequent use case -- will break lots of existing code :)
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah, I was looking at the revision and wondering the same.
 
7:20 AM
@JerryCoffin have you looked at the timeline stackoverflow.com/posts/3505685/timeline ?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes On second thought, the percentage for his rev should really be done as percentage of total after the rev, not before -- so it's more like 20-25%.
 
@SpencerRuport You have to choose very carefully. I spent a few months observing proggit to see what kind of things they like. And since then there's only been one question that I've answered that I believed would do well - namely, the denormal float question.
 
Those 45% sound like an ass pull.
 
@sehe nope -- I think I've seen it mentioned, but never really looked before.
 
Mmm, moar tropes
 
7:22 AM
I'm seriously wondering if this could be adapted to a stack smash in some way and "hey kids paste this in your compiler" and bam you got malware
 
Also onions hate me.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes You just couldn't resist, could you? Wait -- you didn't even try to resist, did you?
 
I'm going to filea GCC bug report
 
just so I can put "expected output: lots of pointers"
 
Warn me when posting TVTropes links becomes an overly-long gag.
 
@stdOrgnlDave I still can't get it to crash (4.6.n with 94 stars straight in the source)
 
@sehe are you at 120, 120?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Why? What can possibly go wrong?
 
7:26 AM
what compiler version/OS are you using?
 
@stdOrgnlDave what do those numbers mean?
sehe@mint12:~$ gcc -v
Using built-in specs.
COLLECT_GCC=gcc
COLLECT_LTO_WRAPPER=/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.6.1/lto-wrapper
Target: x86_64-linux-gnu
Configured with: ../src/configure -v --with-pkgversion='Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.1-9ubuntu3' --with-bugurl=file:///usr/share/doc/gcc-4.6/README.Bugs --enable-languages=c,c++,fortran,objc,obj-c++,go --prefix=/usr --program-suffix=-4.6 --enable-shared --enable-linker-build-id --with-system-zlib --libexecdir=/usr/lib --without-included-gettext --enable-threads=posix --with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/include/c++/4.6 --libdir=/usr/lib --enable-nls --with-sys
 
@sehe can you pastebin the actual code you're using?
 
OMG, I finally understood XKCD 939.
 
@stdOrgnlDave pastebin.com/i9mmhCah
@RMartinhoFernandes Wasn't that obvious? Now, you're making me wonder whether there's more to it, that I'm missing :)
 
Damn, that came out big.
 
7:32 AM
hi guys
 
hi guys. sometimes when use cin.getline function it get ignored because the buffer has already the value of the delimeter which didn't get extracted. so is the buffer a global or static member of istream variable.thanks
 
@RMartinhoFernandes aha
@AlexDan anytime!
 
@sehe and it just compiles real quick and fine?
 
Use std::getline.
 
@stdOrgnlDave Hmmm...just passed 410MB, and hasn't dumped yet...
 
7:33 AM
Clang is really fast. So fast it crashes on that code in 2 seconds.
 
@sehe ?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Given the age of my machine, that probably translates to 5 minutes for me... :-)
 
@AlexDan I didn't spot the question. Just a bunch of statements and 'thanks'
 
7:34 AM
can any one help me with a quick recursion problem? Brushing up on my c++
 
@sehe it is taking 15 minutes to compile, or it compiles real quick and fine?
 
@JerryCoffin My machine is six years old. How much older is yours?
 
@stdOrgnlDave No it takes forever. Never completed. But never crashed, yet
 
I've seen runs of 16m20s now
 
7:35 AM
You.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I slipped an enter. It was because the darn chat scrolled again and I lost my footing
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Oh, 'bout the same as that I guess.
 
@sehe try this modification?
grr
ideone.com/B4lWw
 
@stdOrgnlDave Thanks for replying to a specific message.
 
@sehe I've been doing it for a while now
 
7:38 AM
> This trope is not about donkeys that pull carts.
lol
 
26 mins ago, by std''OrgnlDave
@sehe ideone.com/B4lWw
 
Also, I trapped myself again :S
 
Hmm...just broke one hour of CPU time, and up to ~424MB, but still going.
 
lolol
all this for 10,000 pointers
this exemplifies both the best, and the worst, of C++ IMO
 
@stdOrgnlDave running with arg=200 and 94 stars now
 
7:41 AM
@sehe just make sure the arg matches the template specialization...
oops
 
@stdOrgnlDave I've been thinking a bit about why adding 10 stars makes it die using one tenth the memory. My guess is that internally it has a table that doesn't use much overall memory, but has a fixed maximum number of entries in it, and when it dies, it's because that table gets full. The table must have an entry for every "entity" involved, so when you put in 10 stars, that table fills up 10 times as fast.
 
gnyaaarh, Windows is annoying sometimes
 
Ahh...it just died. A little over an hour of CPU time, and around 450 MB of memory in use.
 
@JerryCoffin that would appear to make sense on the surface, but, it dies with a stack overflow in either case
 
@stdOrgnlDave of course, I just merged your changes in
 
7:45 AM
@JerryCoffin fatal error C1063: compiler limit : compiler stack overflow
 
Man, this was so stupid.
 
if the latest GCC is compiling it (albeit with a long run), then it probably is a bug in VC that got fixed in GCC
 
 
@stdOrgnlDave Yes, but that may not be the normal physical stack -- could be something like the parser stack, which would be pretty much what I was talking about, but under a different name.
 
^ dump of free memory during initial compilation of unmodified source. The jump at ~200seconds is because I killed one compilation that was running in the background
 
7:47 AM
#4 is better but anyway
also if anybody here hasn't seen einstein vs hawking, go make your life more complete by doing so
 
@stdOrgnlDave Yes -- gcc 4.7 is compiling it successfully in under a minute.
 
morning all
 
@JerryCoffin how about VC11 beta?
wait
under a minute???
 
@stdOrgnlDave Yup -- I compiled it twice to be sure.
 
is that from a clean start?
 
7:55 AM
With arg=200 and 94 stars, cut-off around 10 minutes:
 
or just linking with the object files already compiled
 
MSDN only has an article on the fatal error it throws for VC6 and says it comes from recursive includes
@sehe so what you're saying is that after 10 minutes of the 30-minute compile, that happens?
 
@stdOrgnlDave Just recompiled timing it -- 38 seconds, start to finish.
 
@stdOrgnlDave Now running arg=1000 and 94 stars (requires -ftemplate-depth=8192 or similar)
 
@JerryCoffin VC11?
 
7:56 AM
@stdOrgnlDave No I'm just showing you the difference between arg=100 and arg=200.
 
@stdOrgnlDave That's next.
 
I wonder if GCC 4.7 is way ahead in terms of instantiation speed on other template recursion problems, or if it just decided it was trivial at some point or hit a maximum number of pointers
I mean this makes a lot of damn pointers
you realize we're all kilostar or even megastar programmers now
*** programers ain't go nothin' on me
@sehe does it work fine if you target x86-32?
 
@stdOrgnlDave I can make it fail under a second with g++ -ftemplate-depth=819200 /tmp/test.cpp and 256 literal stars in the source, and the template arg N=100000 (that's 5 zeros)
 
@sehe if its 256 literal stars, it should fail with N=100 in under a second too
 
@stdOrgnlDave w ok
 
8:06 AM
1
Q: Not so fast to calculate Fibonacci using matrix multiply in python

pvdIn the MIT open course 6.046, I learned how to calculate the Fibonacci number by matrix multiply. However, I find that's not so fast in python. def stupid_fibonacci(n): if n <= 2: return 1 else: return stupid_fibonacci(n-1) + stupid_fibonacci(n-2) def clever_fibonac...

ooh... what is this?
I wish I knew more python...
 
this is not a question. voting to close — Boris Strandjev 21 secs ago
 
@sehe so...256 literal stars...fail at lower N yes or no?
 
@stdOrgnlDave I'm not finding out
 
aww just one more run :-(
 
No, it's a comment.
I need food.
 
8:08 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes Yup
 
@RMartinhoFernandes > see, doesn't work.
 
a BIG comment
 
@stdOrgnlDave I seem to recall some discussion of work on increasing instantiation speed, though I thought it was before 4.7. They may have done more work on it for 4.7 though.
 
@stdOrgnlDave -m32 seems to be equally wellbehaved (60 stars, N=100):
 
well, that means 4.7 have has a huge leg up on every other compiler out there (except VC11? what's up @JerryCoffin? :-P ) for complex templates
 
8:12 AM
@stdOrgnlDave I'm running VC11 now. If nothing else, it appears that if it fails at ~400MB, it'll do it a lot sooner anyway -- at 15 minutes, it's already up to ~250MB in use.
 
erm, what are you doing?
 
@jalf Compiling useless, evil code.
 
I didn't do it!
 
ooh, do tell :)
 
8:14 AM
@jalf Completely utter useless nonsense
 
making compilers dump core and finding out about how they perform with recursive template instantiation
 
interesting
and all others than GCC suck at it?
 
so far, clang sucks, VC takes forever todie, older versions of GCC take forever and don't die, newest versions of GCC rock it hard
 
FTR, my GCC 4.7 (release build) seems to take much more than 1 minute.
 
@stdOrgnlDave VC11 has run long enough now that it's at least clear that for this code, g++ 4.7 is a lot faster. VC11 may or may not compile it successfully, but if it does, it's already taken a lot longer to do it (call it 25 times as long already).
 
8:17 AM
I killed it after 3 minutes, I need the cycles for real stuff.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes are you running on 32-bit?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes That may be the difference -- I'm on 64-bit.
 
Lemme try on the server.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Production server :)
 
8:19 AM
/me tries running it in vc2005
 
@RMartinhoFernandes note that clang++ indeed dies quickly because it allocates (too much) memory upfront:
[pid 15928] fstat(4, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0664, st_size=622, ...}) = 0
[pid 15928] read(4, "template <typename T>\nstruct add"..., 622) = 622
[pid 15928] close(4)                    = 0
[pid 15928] brk(0x1e33000)              = 0x1e33000
[pid 15928] brk(0x1e54000)              = 0x1e54000
[pid 15928] brk(0x1e75000)              = 0x1e75000
[pid 15928] brk(0x1e96000)              = 0x1e96000
[pid 15928] brk(0x1eb7000)              = 0x1eb7000
[pid 15928] brk(0x1ed8000)              = 0x1ed8000
[pid 15928] brk(0x1ef9000)              = 0x1ef9000
 
Looking again, however, gcc is a 32-bit executable, even though I'm on a 64-bit system.
 
man brk: brk, sbrk - change data segment size
 
this code seems like it would be good diagnostic tool for compiler writers
 
8:20 AM
@JerryCoffin /usr/bin/g++-4.6: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, stripped
 
Hi. Given a set with one element, is there some way to refer to that one element without using an iterator?
 
it has exposed weaknesses in different compilers
 
lol, dies within half a second or so :)
 
@stdOrgnlDave Absolutely not. They have far better regression suites for this. And many other - more interesting metrics
 
@sehe Yes -- I know there are 64-bit builds, but the one I'm using is 32-bit.
 
8:21 AM
Hmm, maybe name.begin() would work.
 
@FaheemMitha No. Use begin().
 
@stdOrgnlDave No, it has exposed the fact that computers are limited by resources. Perhaps compounded by a 'glitch' in error reporting
 
I'm flattered but no. This code is a joke. I never intended it to be taken seriously.
 
@GManNickG Ok, thanks.
 
@FaheemMitha Yup.
 
8:23 AM
@sehe clang allocates too much memory. VC's internal symbol table is probably crap. and the newer GCC seems to have a complete overhaul of its templates. I'd say thats interesting info
 
@FaheemMitha your_set.front();
 
@JerryCoffin How is this different from begin()?
 
@stdOrgnlDave Absolutely. But nothing the vendors didn't already know
 
@FaheemMitha It's equivalent to *(your_set.begin())
 
@JerryCoffin Ah, the value instead of the iterator. Gotcha. Thanks.
 
8:24 AM
@sehe in the case of the MSVC team, it's probably unwise to make assumptions about what they know
2
 
Damn, beat me to the punch.
 
they seem to be living on a completely different planet most of the time. Insulated by a few miles of cotton wool
 
@JerryCoffin std::set doesn't have front().
 
@stdOrgnlDave Anyways, finally crashed 64bit g++ 4.6.1 with -ftemplate-depth=819200 after about 7 minutes (with 128 stars and N=10000):
 
that's incredible sehe
 
8:25 AM
by the way, did you say VC took ages to die? Happened almost instantly with VC10 for me, with the code from ideone. Are you doing something trickier than that?
 
It is not the mem usage, then, and no exponential growth in sight
 
how many orders of magnitude is that better than any other compiler we've tested?
 
@GManNickG Oops -- you're right. My apologies.
 
@JerryCoffin I only know because I almost said the same thing, but had the time to check. :)
 
@stdOrgnlDave I hesitate to call any behaviour that results in crash 'better' because it takes longer to crash
That's like saying being tortured is better than being murdered, because it takes longer until you're dead !?
 
8:27 AM
FTR, GCC 4.7 on 64-bit also takes longer than 3 minutes.
At least for me.
 
@sehe but the fact is no other compiler could even do 9 stars with n=100
 
@sehe It depends -- if there's some chance of escape, then maybe it is (irrelevant to the question at hand though that may be).
 
@JerryCoffin status report?
 
@JerryCoffin In PC terms, you might still be able to cancel the compile once you spot the 127 'stray' asterisks in code review?
 
@stdOrgnlDave 30 minutes, a little over 300MB, still running.
@sehe I'm not sure I can come up with a way to relate it to compilation. The closest analog to escape I can come up with is (maybe) having it run long enough for you to re-compile the compiler, and have it to some sort of dynamic upgrade so it uses the new compiler without ever actually (quite) dying...
 
8:32 AM
@JerryCoffin hihi. Well found
@JerryCoffin That allows us to write bug free compilers: instead of bailing or admitting defeat, it could just stall, waiting for a future software version that fares better. All that's needed is a 'restart job' feature and a 'in-place upgrade' feature.
 
In a compiler scope, what is the difference between a direct and an indirect call?
 
Forgetting about practical constraints always helps solving problems
 
Which reminds me of another bit of truly useless hardware trivia from years ago when my brother still worked for Sun. They got the first sample of some CPU from TI (who fabbed for them), and it almost worked, but part of the cache was dead. They got it Friday afternoon. By Monday morning, they'd modified the compiler to not allocate memory at the addresses that ended up in that part of the cache, re-compiled Solaris, and could boot and run (to at least some degree).
 
@ManofOneWay Same as at assembly level. Either, the compiler knows the target address statically (direct), or it has to perform some kind of lookup/address calculation before the jump (indirect).
In practice, ELF, COFF, PE etc. use fixups, so the compiler doesn't know the actual address, but the dynamic loader/runtime linker fixup the addresses at load of the image
 
8:36 AM
> Ask yourself: 'do I know this word?' If the answer is no, then you do not know it.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes unless you're lying
 
@sehe ...and that's exactly what leads to the "enterprise hello world" programs of the world.
 
You lie to yourself?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes why not?
 
@sehe Thanks!
 
8:37 AM
Yeah, it makes sense sometimes, nevermind.
 
@JerryCoffin the next time the world is going to end because there's a Y2cache problem, you may be our only hope
 
@stdOrgnlDave 'Y2cache' what is that? Autocorrect kicking in?
@jalf It's actually irrelevant whether I make assumptions about what they know. I don't influence them and they don't hardly influence me.
 
@sehe nope, it's a combination of Y2K scare and weird cache trivia. the Y2K thing might have been before your time
 
can some one give me a link to the user rank page. I can find the one for tags
 
8:40 AM
@stdOrgnlDave bwahaha. How old must you be then :)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes thanks :D
is there not a page that tells you your rank in the site?
 
@thecoshman remember: you're looking for the one with tags
 
@sehe huh?
 
@thecoshman See stackechange, stackoverflow.com/users?tab=reputation&filter=month, or data.stackexchange.com
@thecoshman Sorry, misread. Thought you said I can**'t** find the one for tags
 
8:43 AM
@RMartinhoFernandes That page always startles me, when it comes up with me at the top :)
 
how do you know these things?
 
@sehe 27, but I started coding at 12 so I been at it a while anyway
 
Newsflash: I know everything.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes that's what you know, not how you know it
 
@stdOrgnlDave Im 35 and started coding around 10, young one
Newsflash: It wasn't an answer
(it was a news flash...)
 
8:45 AM
@sehe Children! Play nice with each other! :-)
 
@JerryCoffin Since when is 'young one' an insult? Ah, you mean, you're too old for this :)
 
@JerryCoffin in my defense, I have emulated processors as old as your venerated CDC
 
@sehe News flash: there is a critical lack of ascii tables at hand to be flipped
 
@sehe well, except the context was the question of whether the test case should be submitted to compiler vendors., and the argument for not doing so was that they already knew this. I'd say that this assumption is pretty significant then ;)
 
@stdOrgnlDave You went to a school with very outdated teaching materials :)
 
8:46 AM
@sehe I didn't learn any programming in school...who learns programming in school?
 
@thecoshman Newsflash: ASCII can't flip tables.
 
@stdOrgnlDave I got taught programming in school, though I didn't learn programming at school
@RMartinhoFernandes news flash: watch this space (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
Read again: 'it's [...] irrelevant [...]; I don't influence them'
It is also irrelevant whether I report the 'issue', for the exact same reason
 
@thecoshman That's not ASCII!
 
@RMartinhoFernandes (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
 
8:48 AM
@thecoshman newsflash: I got AP credits in highschool for teaching the rest of the class and then playing Unreal Tournament after school
 
close enough
 
@stdOrgnlDave Hah, I played UT during school.
 
@stdOrgnlDave Spoken like a true programmer. I dunno, it's what I hear they do. I think I saw a PDP/11 emulator coming up in second year curriculum. That's when I left college.
 
oh, I played so much UT during music classes :D
 
@sehe I certainly can't claim to have started programming when I was 10. I'm pretty sure I'd never even seen a computer when I was ten.
 
8:49 AM
@thecoshman I think I played more music while you were playing UT :)
 
well fellows
 
@JerryCoffin I had to go to people who had them. An architect we knew had a PC XT at home. He made me 'graduate' by reading an MSDOS 2.0 + GWBASIC book first, before he allowed me to use his PC.
 
it's been nice making compilers cry
 
I guess, I learned to RTFM early
 
now I know to meta meta program with 64-bit GCC 4.7+
 
8:50 AM
@sehe RTFM: read the fucking manual?
 
one day my template-based bytecode interpreter dream will become reality
 
That's not meta-meta-program.
 
@thecoshman sigh, what else, Cpt. Obvious?
 
what is it, program-meta-program?
 
It's just a metaprogram.
 
8:51 AM
but when I then make a program that executes on that interpreter?
 
@sehe erm... 'rent ten french manicurists'?
 
@sehe A computer that could be owned by an individual was just starting to turn from an impossible dream to something that might be possible sometime soon when I was 10.
 
I'm going to leave before you crush my dreams. again.
 
@stdOrgnlDave Does running a Python program make the Python interpreter a meta-program? No.
Running a program on that interpreter doesn't add meta levels to it.
 
A python script that builds TMP code for C++ would be meta-meta-programming
 
8:53 AM
anyone here?
I'm having trouble with RSA
 
nope
 
shhhh we're hiding
 
I think I'm missing something painfully obvious
If anyone's up for taking a look: stackoverflow.com/questions/10329147/…
 
whispers You should all be whispering! He will hear us!
 
@Walkerneo They're pretty decent people, so if you're polite, you probably won't have trouble with them.
 
8:54 AM
There are people here?
3
 
whispers I thought I would get away with it
 
I couldn't tell, they were all whispering
and being sooooo secretive
anyway, yeah...
 
run! he's on to us!
 
srs
 
8:55 AM
@Walkerneo Nope -- it's really a massive Turing Test with a dozen computers talking to each other, trying to figure out of any if the others is human.
 
> Trying to generate RSA signature with Python from working C# code
 
Yes
I am
 
erm... that does not sound like something I want to get into :P sorry bro
 
Do you know RSA at all?
 
@JerryCoffin I guess that makes the the first to fall?
 
8:57 AM
well, fairly sure you don't mean that american pre-flight rape service
 
Gosh, what?
 
FYI, I spell it with a 'c' not a 'g'
 
@Walkerneo I know something about RSA, but this seems to be entirely about how to use a couple of libraries and what arbitrary decisions they've made about how parameters should be passed and such.
 
@JerryCoffin I don't understand how it's supposed to take long arguments
if the parameters are either 128 or 64 bytes, why are the arguments supposed to be 4 bytes??
 
@thecoshman WTF you on about? Did you inhale something?
 
8:59 AM
@Walkerneo I haven't a clue.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I made a funny, because Gosh and Cosh are similar
 
It saddens me deeply to see libraries like this. Code to implement RSA seems to be simpler than code to use it from these libraries:
 

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