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10:00 AM
@DeadMG can't you save a copy of the email?
 
@DeadMG Don't you have a PDF for each of your bookings?
 
@Cicada Only boarding pass.
 
I skipped what I couldn't stand. I skipped all the stats lectures and went to the union bar instead to read other stuff and drink. I'm 134% sure that it was a good plan.
 
guys
 
@kbok and girl
 
10:01 AM
this thing I'm debugging is so fucking slow, it's making me sick
 
SCNR
 
@thecoshman SCNR ?
 
sorry could not resist
 
ah, okay
 
@DeadMG Hmm.. yeah, one, large email is better, if you can do it. IIRC, Ryanair receipt is HTML:(
 
10:02 AM
@thecoshman don't bother, I'm used to it
 
@Cicada I've read your "bio". It's funny because I, too, started being interested in programming by looking at javascript files in the windows folder :) It was tip.html or something like that.
What's less funny, though, is that CS education in engineering schools are made of utter suck. I'm sorry for that - FWIW, it was the same for me.
 
I had exactly the same experience
 
@Cicada well, we can hardly go around acknowledging every minority :P
 
And this isn't getting any better, the state of the industry here is that programmers are treated like utter shit
 
@DeadMG yeah, but you didn't have the balls to see it through :D
Guess what folks, it's just a shit when you are paid to do it!
 
10:06 AM
the difference is that you are paid to do it
instead of paying them large sums of money
 
@kbok um, interesting :p was it a 95 too?
 
@Cicada No, a win98. But I wasn't in south africa :)
 
@DeadMG yeah, still sucks dude
 
@kbok Me neither!
 
@kbok South Africa is not South America
 
10:07 AM
yeah, but it's difficult to argue that it's an equal experience when in one place you pay large sums of money and on the other you get paid large sums of money
 
Oh, South America, sorry I misread.
 
@Cicada where in South America where you?
 
@DeadMG absolutely
@thecoshman Ecuador
 
@DeadMG I just tried it. Copy/paste from the 'Ryanair Travel Itinerary' page seems to work OK, (on gmail, anyway).
 
@DeadMG at uni, quitting is not an issue. I believe @tony is a similar situation to me, as much as we want to leave, we need money to pay bills
 
10:09 AM
quitting is not an issue?
or do you mean not an option?
 
And uni does not cost that much, well it didn't when I did it, they change it all the time
 
@Cicada You know, it's crazy because I spent 20k on this bullshit and I'm still paying back
 
@thecoshman pretty much, but mostly my issue is that I'm stuck to my rental flat for the next 4 months still. I can quit anytime after that.
 
they cost a shit ton more now than they did before
 
It's not an issue to quite uni
 
10:09 AM
and it's much more feasible to simply educate yourself independently
 
I suppose I get what I pay for then...uni is pretty much free here :S
 
@DeadMG but where is the bit of paper say you know shit
@melak47 wait... your american aint you?
 
except it doesn't say anything of the sort
that's why we have FizzBuzz tests
 
@thecoshman German.
 
and I've befriended quite a few graduates from my course who would fail that test
 
10:11 AM
@DeadMG no it does exactly. It just proves nothing
 
there's some ~300€ fees / semester, most of that is for the public transport pass though.
 
I don't think I have ever actually sat down to try to fizzbuzz test. IIRC output 1 to 100 but ever multiple of tree say fizz, multiples of five say buzz, and say both when it is a multiple of both?
 
@kbok What school?
 
yep
 
@Cicada You saw it already :) We made fun of the landing page.
 
10:13 AM
@kbok Ah yes I remember!
How come you're my age and graduated already?
 
@Cicada clearly smarter then you :P
 
@Cicada Also yeah, projects with an industrial sucks. Mine was a research project with a prof so it was kind of cool (except that Ogre sucks). Consider that you learned something very valuable as a programmer : everytime you see something/someone related to a SSII, run for the hills.
 
@thecoshman Only some universities put their smarter students through faster.
 
@thecoshman this :p
 
@DeadMG ¬_¬ why do I suspect there is more to it then a for loop?
 
10:15 AM
@thecoshman Because it's ridiculously easy.
which it is
intentionally
except many programming applicants can't do it
 
every day I feel a bit more like a DBA
 
I wonder how you can through TMP at it...
 
@DeadMG how?
 
@Cicada I skipped two years of ed when I was younger
 
@melak47 Because they can't program for shit.
 
10:17 AM
@melak47 that shiny bit of paper that you get form uni's only proves you went to uni, they don't prove anything about intellect.
 
@kbok Wots an SSII?
 
@kbok My project manager works in a big SSII I will not name.
 
@thecoshman but even a "business informatics" degree includes at least some programming
 
@Cicada They're all the same anyway
 
@MartinJames The name we give in France to "IT services companies"
 
10:18 AM
@thecoshman My 'shiny bit of paper' is still inside its cardboard tube. I've never opened it and no-one has ever asked to see it.
 
@MartinJames It's kind of a consulting company - it's a special format of interim.
 
@kbok bastard
 
@melak47 and?
@MartinJames I have it some where...
 
@MartinJames Sometimes they outsource IT projects also - often shitty projects no one wants to work on, so they get rid of
It's a French specific.
 
@thecoshman how can you pass them without knowing at least for and if
 
10:20 AM
@thecoshman Thrre years of crap, then I get a cardboard tube that gathers dust. Just because it's now come up, I will try and find the tube to see if there is actually anything in it.
 
@melak47 Because the only programming challenges are super-basic
 
@Cicada You know, it sounds cool and all, but it's really hard to pick up chicks when you're two year younger than everyone :p
 
@kbok OK - I should have guessed:((
 
@MartinJames Also, the salary is miserable. Nearly half what I earn right now
 
@kbok That I DID guess <g>
 
10:22 AM
@melak47 there are two types of people in the world. Some when given a tool and a problem learn how to solve the problem. The others, the likes of us, who wish to learn how to use the tool to solve any future problems
@MartinJames lol, they had you scammed all this time
@kbok you're not playing it right
 
you when you find it's empty
 
@thecoshman Heh.. the problem with 'learn how to use the tool to solve any future problems' is that no problems then get solved:)
 
@melak47 for real?
 
@thecoshman And there's a kind who says "this tool sucks and is terrible".
 
@kbok cats and dogs come to mind :P
 
10:25 AM
@thecoshman I'm sorry? what?
 
@melak47 it's really empty?
 
@thecoshman how would I know. It's his tube :)
 
@melak47 OK, I'm not going to look. If I open the tube amd there is some sarcastic note from prof. instead of a degree certificate, I will be miserable and employers/clients will surely start asking to see it:((
 
@melak47 lol, I fused the two of you together :P
@MartinJames Forget Schrödinger's cat, we know have Martin's Degree
at least people know how to spell 'Martin'
and yes, by people, I mean me
 
@thecoshman LOL! Now what? Do I dare open the soddin' thing?
 
10:28 AM
right
 
Sod it, I'll let sleeping cats lie.
 
@MartinJames until you do, you both have and do not have a degree
 
@kbok Is it? I have a friend who looks like a teenager and is very cute :p
 
until you open it, your entire life is hanging in insignificant buy equally very real duality
@Cicada but would you want to go out with him? (current BF aside)
 
@Cicada Well, maybe I just used to suck at it.
 
10:31 AM
uh oh. I have VS 2010, the VS 11 beta and the VS 2012 RC installed on my laptop....fingers crossed that I manage to uninstall them all without breaking everything...
 
totally not a Freudian slip
 
@thecoshman Mmmmm
 
@kbok that's not how you do it man!
 
He's definitely cute but I'm not sure I would want to.
 
@melak47 see you after you re-install Windows
 
10:32 AM
@thecoshman Why do you keep saying this ? I don't get it.
@Cicada So your point is totally moot
 
@melak47 MS hardly ever breaks.
 
@thecoshman I don't reall ycare about whether it's alive or dead, its position or momentum - as long as others believe it exists - it's faith, rather than science:)
 
@kbok It's personality related
 
@kbok "maybe I just used to suck at it" don't just suck them, they don't like it
 
@thecoshman Oh you
 
10:33 AM
@Cicada well, last time I tried to uninstall just the 2012 RC, I was unable to, and after I managed to get rid of it mostly, I wasn't able to install the RTM...
 
@MartinJames ah, in that case best not open it, for then you would know, and knowledge denies faith
 
 
iz lunch tiem
 
@kbok no
 
You asked for it.
 
10:36 AM
@thecoshman Right! If anyone asks to see my degree cert, I can say that it is forbidden by the rules of my faith. If I don't get the job, I can sue for religious discrimination.
 
how do I print a newline in python?
/n doesn't seem to work
 
@MartinJames except faith and religion and not quite so tightly coupled as you seem to believe
@TonyTheLion \n
 
doesn't work
print str print'\n'`
 
note backslash rather then forwardslash
prinln?
 
@TonyTheLion Works for me
 
10:38 AM
@kbok my output is still all on one line
 
@TonyTheLion plz send teh codez
 
I've created a list which I populate with some strings, then I put those strings in one large string, print it, then I want a new line to put the next string on
 
@TonyTheLion I think this is required
 
@TonyTheLion print str + '\n' instead of print str then print '\n'
 
10:40 AM
Ugh, Qt 4.8.3 built for MSVC is just under 8 Gigs in size.
 
@thecoshman Yeah - probably wouldn't fly. If anyone wants to see it at an interview, I'll just plonk down the tube. With a bit of luck, they won't actually open it.
 
@TonyTheLion What newline are you expecting?
you print 1 string, which is the entire output, then you print 1 newline at the end.
 
@DeadMG I want a newline after every damn string I print
 
if you wanted a bunch of newlines in that string you'd have to add them in the loop
 
can't be that fuckin hard
 
10:42 AM
@TonyTheLion That's what you've got.
 
@MartinJames oh, inform that you have never opened it, and have a delightful chat about the uncertainty of its existence. Hopefully, such a characterful chat will ensure you get the job and they forget you where wearing a pink tie
 
  total.append('somestring')
  total.append(str(x))
  total.append('morestring')
  total.append('\n')
 
@DeadMG huh
@kbok yea that works
though i don't get what the difference is between what I was doing and that
isn't it essentially the same (or supposed to be)
or am I stupid?
 
uh, this is definitely a "You're stupid" moment
 
@TonyTheLion you print your loop, and then one newline (well, actually two newlines I suppose, but still, after your other output)
 
10:43 AM
you create one large output string, then you output it, if you want newlines in that string then you'll have to add them in the bit which makes the output string.
 
ah
meh
 
my stupidity apparently knows no bounds at times
 
it's obvious that for no implementation of createstring() can you magically insert the newlines later without parsing the output
 
also, for fizzbuzz you'll want 1 to 100, no? :)
 
10:45 AM
 
@melak47 it's not fizzbuzz. I'm generating a bunch of tedious SQL statements with Python
cause I don't want to type them out
 
@TonyTheLion heh, ok
fizzbuzz definitly sounds more fun than that.
 
@melak47 do it in an esoteric language :P
 
APL
 
@thecoshman ...not that much fun, please. I still have to attend boring classes today.
 
10:47 AM
Malbolge
or LOLCODE
 
Hey guys, I'm coming here to mop the floor and beg a little... can somebody take a look to this question: stackoverflow.com/questions/13027446/… ... it is making my day sad.
 
@TonyTheLion I can haz the Fizz
 
@dsign this is making our day sad
 
VS2012 RC uninstalled! wooo! only a billion Microsoft thingies it didn't uninstall with it left....
 
10:51 AM
@dsign Why yes, I can indeed downvote your question.
 
"Microsoft Advertising SDK for Windows Phone 7"
Why the hell did I install this...
 
balls
university cut off my free Microsoft software allowance :(
 
@DeadMG what D:
 
@melak47 Well, my course did end
 
www.thepiratebay.se
 
10:53 AM
@DeadMG how many years ago?
@LuchianGrigore I'm shocked!
 
like, three months ago
@LuchianGrigore Is exactly what I'mma do
 
@DeadMG heh. I took a single CS class at my uni while I was still in school, got an email --> got free software. Didn't expire for several years :3
 
@DeadMG lol
@DeadMG no, you quit
 
quitter
 
QUITTER!!!
 
10:55 AM
no, I will never let it go :P
 
(still not as quitter as daknok)
 
oh yeah, need to give him more grief about that :P
 
eh, I'm not embarrassed about it
there was no reason for me to stay, so I quit- perfectly sensible
 
@DeadMG did you quit the course, or uni alltogether?
 
@DeadMG Thanks, that indeed will bring some attention to it. As long as you don't add a null answer, I'm fine with whatever you do.
 
10:59 AM
@melak47 Both.
 
help.... need on JIBx any body
 
@DeadMG oh.
 
@padman what the inbred fuck?
lunchie munchie time :D
 
gah...why does installing one MS product pollute your list of un/installers with millions of separate entries. I don't want to uninstall it piece by piece by hand
 
@thecoshman help on Jibx
 
11:03 AM
@melak47 I was going to say something but forgot.
@melak47 Uninstalling VS?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes maybe something about some tool from microsoft that lets you clean up/remove lots of stuff at once
@R.MartinhoFernandes yeah, old versions.
 
If it's VS, you can do it easier through the setup that comes in the CD.
 
VS is already uninstalled. but it left lots behind
 
Yes, but the setup can uninstall everything that isn't some Windows components of some sort with a few clicks.
 
what I don't get is why they don't just garbage collect the components, and keep a list of which installed programs depend on which others
that would be so much simpler
 
11:06 AM
I'm not downloading VS 2010 again, just to get the installer
 
-1
A: How to use the auto and decltype keywords to ease template argument deduction?

DeadMG I never got in my whole life: Obviously ain't done much C++ then. What went wrong? It's quite clearly explained. "Internal compiler error.". As in, the compiler's internals errored out. As in, whoever wrote the compiler was sleeping on the job when they wrote the part you're trying to ...

aww downvoted :(
 
I have a a VS 2010 service pack still installed...but no VS 2010
@DeadMG wow, that onebox makes your post sound much less intelligible than it is :p
 
lol
 
@DeadMG You know, that's starting to sound a lot like one of those Linux package managers you seem to not like.
 
naw
 
11:09 AM
No, really.
That's what they do.
 
the reason I don't like package managers has nothing to do with their package uninstallation
it's about their truly shitty interfaces for package installation
as in, "We re-invented the search engine but a thousand times worse and part of our operating system"
 
I like that usually, when you uninstall a package with them, it uninstalls whatever that package installed :)
 
@DeadMG No, basically, they provide a specialized search engine for a particular set of packages. Nothing prevents you from getting a package from elsewhere on the Internet.
 
+1 to counter anonymous social downvoters. i'm getting fed up with the social folks. why the fuck can't you go some social place for downing an upping people. — Cheers and hth. - Alf 1 min ago
 
FFS...uninstalling VS2010 SP1: "The Feature you are trying to use is not present. Please insert disc 1" cancel "Rolling back changes...the feature you are trying to install is not present, please insert disc 1"
 
11:11 AM
alf on a rant again?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Last time I tried that, it was a bunch of shitty kernel shell scripts that Ubuntu tried to open in a text editor.
 
Yeah, I remember you had a bad experience with something you were trying to install. Nvidia drivers or something?
 
ye
 
nvidia drivers are fun to install :)
 
The official ones are simple. You just run the file and it does its thing.
 
11:14 AM
@thecoshman Oh, I have much more gruesome items of attire than a pink tie. After someone moaned about my tie once, I spent a couple months wearing the most apalling ties etc. I could find. Anne and I spend may a happy weekend afternoon trolling charity shops etc. looking for revolting ties for the following week.
 
It was the official one.
and I didn't find it simple at all
 
The issue the puppy had was that FF didn't save the file with execution permissions.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes the official binary package thing isn't easy to install at all :/
 
it's not just that
but that Ubuntu didn't mention this
 
@melak47 I've been installing that shit on most of my machines for over a decade now. Never had any issue.
 
11:15 AM
instead of going "You're obviously trying to execute this thing" it went "Let's text edit it instead"
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I haven't succeeded yet.
installing it from some repo is just fine
 
@DeadMG you noob :P
 
I'm heading off to uni, later
PS, once installed, I had oh so much more fun trying to write an xconfig that makes my 3rd screen work :)
 
@melak47 I was just about to say I didn't realize people still wrote xconfig files... Then I noticed the "3rd screen" part, and it all made sense
Amazing that Linux (or X11) still has so much trouble handling more than two monitors
 
It's X11. Wayland does the job better!
Do people really use triple monitor setups, though? I can see the point of a dual-monitor, but three?
 
11:31 AM
..from my 'bad ties and revolting shirts' period.
 
11:46 AM
it went quiet in here
 
shhhhh
 
@Cicada Depends on the people. Our customers where I work do. Medical imaging, those people like their monitors ;)
 
user142019
DID SOMEBODY SAY QUIET?
 
@Cicada also hi. Looks like you had a good rant yesterday :)
 
11:51 AM
@jalf actually, it wasn't the fact that it was screen #3 as much as the nvidia driver not providing the EDID from the screen to the OS, hence no modes being detected, and nothing working
 
@Cicada What's so special about Wayland ? I see a lot of people excited about it
 
@kbok basically, "it's not X11"
that's more than enough reason to be excited about it
 
@kbok "X11 done right"
 
MS-DOS is not X11, but it's hardly exciting
 
user142019
Ohh a compositor. That’s cool.
 
11:53 AM
I mean, for the end user, what's the difference ?
 
MS-DOS is also not a window server, or new :)
 
@kbok It actually works.
 
user142019
 
@WTP'-- :)
 
@Cicada I have been under the impression that my linux install successfully displayed the desktop's contents
 
user142019
11:54 AM
Haskell y u suck at global state.
 
@jalf Hi! And I rant on a daily basis :) Gotta preserve the French reputation, right?
@kbok You've been fooled
 
@WTP'-- huh, a functional language sucking at maintaining state?
 
Or - you never had to deal with faulty drivers / multi monitor setups
 
true true
 
user142019
@Cheersandhth.-Alf State in Haskell is fine with ST monad or IORef, but global state is so annoying.
 
11:55 AM
The impression I have is that once again this is super exciting for linux developers and distribution maintainers but that means "go back to alpha" for end users
 
@kbok That's how software works
 
Like after the hal migration a faulty conf freezed your machine completely, leaving no other option than rebooting
@Cicada That's how OSS works.
 
@kbok Okay, true.
 
Xeo
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Q: How to construct each of the elements of a member array with the argument of the constructor

Frank Possible Duplicate: Convert std::tuple to std::array C++11 Suppose you have: template<class T,int N> struct A { A(const B& b): /* what comes here */ {} std::array<T,N> F; }; I need each element of F[] to be constructed with the argument of the constructor, in ab...

Can we get this one reopened please?
 
But hey, I'm happy to learn that someday the graphics system in linux distribs is not going to suck as much.
 
11:57 AM
> I have Googled XML Parsing with C# but not valuable results were found to help me complete my tasks.
what???
 
Xeo
The question isn't about unpacking a tuple, but repeatedly assigning a value.
 
Hi guys,
 
user142019
Hello.
 
@Cicada lol wth
 
@Xeo so... why don't you vote?
 
Xeo
11:58 AM
@LuchianGrigore It seems I did already and it expired. :/
 
Is there a way to make an IE button that call a method inside a NPAPI plugin dll?
 
vote again
@Ofear yes
 
Oh!
 
user142019
Why the fuck do people use IE.
 
it's been 2 days that i crash my head in the wall
 
user142019
11:59 AM
My development teacher uses IE. ಠ_ಠ
 
yes. Why?
 
hehe, I guess my client use IE :P
 
@WTP'-- Because SVG support.
 
IE = noobs
 
user142019
11:59 AM
@Cicada use Opera at least.
 

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