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10:00 PM
It's just GSQ, though.
 
My answer is stuffy and contains even more references. In fact I'm looking for the bit about implementation limits and constexpr invocation substitution, I forgot where it is.
 
@LucDanton I thought it was hypothetical and/or about making an FAQ entry.
 
Google Summer of Quintessentially-Shit-Style-Guides?
 
@LucDanton Do go ahead.
@DeadMG Gratuitous Standard Quotes.
 
@MooingDuck 'Should I do X?' is not hypothetical!
 
10:00 PM
@LucDanton sure it is
 
That looks like a cross-Atlantic misunderstanding lol.
Come to think of it, I'm not sure that restriction which I'm thinking off even exists anymore. Looking at current wording it seems unnecessary: constexpr rules only kick-off in contexts where it is necessary. Presumably the rest of the time it's unspecified whether constexpr function invocation or regular function invocation takes place.
 
@LucDanton where's your answer? You're slow
 
(Except that if implementation-defined limits of constexpr function invocation were to be exceeded then regular function invocation must take place.)
 
@DeadMG Anyway, that's one heck of a silly expansion for the initialism.
 
@MooingDuck I'm rigorous.
 
10:05 PM
I know
 
my wife baked "me" a strawberry cake
 
I immediately thought of "Google Summer of...." then I couldn't find a Q :(
 
Google Summer of Qs.
 
Bah, those rules have too many bullet points and makes the answer too vertical. I might just fit in the references in your answer.
 
Ell
10:07 PM
you would want to inherit because .append looks better :L free functions are ugly!
 
syntax is irrelevant
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Can you double-check your first reference of §7.1.5/7? It's paragraph 5 in n3290.
 
Ell
no its not o.O
 
@LucDanton Oh, it is. Copy-paste accident.
 
Ell
how is syntax irrelevantk
 
10:08 PM
if you want things that look cool then draw a fuckin' picture
code exists to execute and do things, and it's doing things that's important, it's the whole purpose
 
@Ell Syntax is less relevant than messing up your design.
 
@DeadMG does wide have optional and/or named arguments?
 
both
 
Ell
I don't see why it messes up the design though :S
 
because inheritance is one of the worst things you can possibly do.
also no ADL on member functions
 
10:09 PM
Did anyone find my remark about constexpr as it appears in a function definition that should be construed as a C-style declaration useful? Is it worth plastering somewhere, perhaps in the comments of the answer?
 
@Ell You can't inherit post hoc.
@LucDanton I don't know about others, but it took me a while to actually get what you meant.
 
Ell
post hoc? you mean like what mooing duck said? I argue you don't have access to the private data. also if it was convention from the start then
 
After the fact.
 
Okay. Something much more useful: the telltale test to check for a constexpr function is to involve the call in a constant expression: constexpr auto r = foo(a, b, c);. A test on LWS shows this GCC error:
source.cpp:8:38:   in constexpr expansion of 'fun(1)'
source.cpp:4:33: error: expression '<throw-expression>' is not a constant-expression
 
you're ugly
 
10:12 PM
@Ell Since you cannot change the bases of a class you don't own, by requiring users to inherit from something to provide an interface, you are essentially forcing class designers everywhere to make the choice for their clients, even if they're not aware that a choice exists to be made.
 
@LucDanton I didn't find it useful personally
 
@DeadMG jYoure dead?
 
true
 
@MooingDuck Maybe I should comment that constexpr functions don't displace metafunctions instead. A lot of people assume that they strictly are metafunctions on first glance.
 
They would be terribly less useful if that was the case.
 
10:15 PM
Well that already appears in the answer even if you don't mention metafunctions.
 
Do mention it.
 
If I didn't know better, I'd say MSVC9's std::auto_ptr is causing the crash in my release build.
@LucDanton that'd be good
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Comment or edit?
 
VC9? That sounds old.
 
@ThePhD 2008
 
10:16 PM
Hm. So fairly old, but not super old.
 
@ThePhD we skipped one version yes.
 
How come you're not all up to date 'n' shit?
 
@ThePhD $$$$
 
@LucDanton Dunno.
 
Ah.
 
10:16 PM
If you're asking to probe if I mind the edit, I don't.
 
I forget how much money it actually costs to have all these IDEs and stuff.
I wonder if after I'm a student, I can keep all the downloads I got from Dreamspark...
 
@ThePhD no. winkwink.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No I like the size of the answer (brevity is wit etc.). I wouldn't want to bloat it.
 
@ThePhD Yes, actually.
 
@DeadMG wait really?
 
10:18 PM
academic licences from Microsoft never expire.
as long as the use is still academic or personal, you can keep it.
 
@MooingDuck They're lifetime licenses.
 
I'm a student..... of the industry. >__>
making@money.edu
 
However, you only have 2 years to download the bits after you stop being a student.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes remind me to download everything when I get home
 
How do they detect if you stop being a student, though?
 
10:19 PM
(At least that's what it says on my product list)
 
Mmmh, I think I've heard of that program but I'm not sure. Is it worth it?
 
Don't all you need is a .edu address and you're set?
 
@ThePhD You have to have an academic e-mail address or be verified by an academic institution.
 
@ThePhD officially or unofficially?
 
@ThePhD Probably your school sends regular updates.
 
10:20 PM
yeah
I just lost my access to the academic program
 
Damn.
They're getting more regular with their checks.
 
@DeadMG You're supposed to uninstall the soft when you stop being a student, though. Or shortly after. IIRC.
 
@Cicada That's not what the license agreements read.
 
nope
the licence is pretty clear
 
VisualStudio worth it for C# on Windows?
 
10:21 PM
And even if you don't uninstall it,
who's going to know?
 
Once you're no longer a student, you can't "purchase" anything else, but you can download your stuffs for two years. You can use them forever afterwards.
 
@LucDanton It's the best IDE for that.
 
academic licences are unbounded, for academic or personal use.
 
@LucDanton Meh, not without R#.
@EtiennedeMartel The best R# host, you mean.
 
@LucDanton What? implying there's something better?
 
10:21 PM
:P
 
user142019
@Cicada DID SOMEBODY SAY EMACS?!!
 
MonoDevelop and its derivatives are crap for C#.
 
@WTP'-- MY FINGERS SAY NO
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Oh, you.
 
@Cicada I'm asking, not implying.
 
10:22 PM
3
Q: namespace issues in c++11?

Tomasz GrobelnyCan somebody please explain the following: $ cat test.cpp #include <string> std::string div; $ g++ -c test.cpp $ g++ -std=c++11 -c test.cpp test.cpp:2:13: error: 'std::string div' redeclared as different kind of symbol In file included from /usr/include/c++/4.7.1/cstdlib:66:0, ...

 
@EtiennedeMartel Have you touched a R#-less VS recently?
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yeah. My fingers kept hitting Alt-Enter.
 
Trust me, it's a traumatizing experience.
 
@ThePhD That tld is mostly US-specific.
 
I felt empty.
It's sad that we need such a tool, but on the other hand, man, IT'S GREAT.
 
10:23 PM
Right, so what? Do I not bother with the program?
 
Yeah. It's like... nothing works anymore!
@LucDanton You want to develop C#? Yeah, get it.
 
Code::Blocks is pretty decent for C++.
 
@ThePhD lolno
 
NetBeans is.. er. Clunky. But you can get the job done, I guess?
 
@ThePhD Wut.
 
10:24 PM
hahahaha
but those suckers didn't cut off my student email
win...
 
But, wait, @LucDanton is going C#? Dear lord.
 
user142019
@ThePhD nope.
 
So: the constructor of SPEECH_FILE, prints out this and all it's variables as the last thing. All is good. After ViosWave.reset(new SPEECH_FILE()); I attempt to output all the variables of the SPEECH_FILE, but one of the members is corrupted. Only in release builds. The only thing between those steps is std::auto_ptr code. I'm SO CONFUSED.
 
user142019
It’s terrible.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Okay, making a mental note of it for when I get some real Interwebs.
 
10:24 PM
@DeadMG Why?
 
@DeadMG I don't think anyone does. I still have my university e-mail.
 
(My student email still works too, but I'm off the mailing lists now)
 
user142019
My UNIDE is TextMate and Terminal and it’s the best UNIDE ever.
 
user142019
Unintegrated Development Environment :D
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Because you can also qualify through having an academic email address.
 
10:25 PM
code::blocks is passable, but nothing great
 
so even though they cut off my access to MSDNAA, I can still qualify for Dreamspark
 
It's not passable
 
@DeadMG What, you're saying you can cheat?
 
@thecoshman Yeah, what he said.
 
It's Code::Shit
 
10:25 PM
@EtiennedeMartel It's more of the converse: if I were to do some C#, I'd like to have a tool nearby. So I get the tool for when I want to program, not the other way around.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes yes :D
 
user142019
Shit::Brix
 
Well, yes it's got some serious problems but it's workable @Cicada
 
It's not workable
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Only one way to find out.
 
10:25 PM
@LucDanton Well, Visual Studio (at least 2010), and especially ReSharper.
 
Eclipse is a bit better, but still nothing I'd jump about.
 
There are worse tools you could be stuck with
 
lol
 
user142019
Eclipse is the most terrible IDE ever.
 
user142019
It’s worse than Dev-C++.
 
10:26 PM
Whoa, whoa.
Dev-C++ is a nightmare.
 
visual studio is by far the best IDE in the known universe
 
What counts as an "academic e-mail address"?
 
qt creator is decent for C++ on linux
 
user142019
@Cicada behind Emacs.
 
end
 
10:26 PM
Eclipse is not too bad for Java dev, but my lord does it have terrible performance
 
@Cicada That says a lot about the quality of IDEs in the known universe.
 
user142019
Eclipse takes more than two seconds to start up on my computer —> no go.
 
@thecoshman It is not too bad? WTF, man.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes seems to be .edu
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes No that says a lot about the know universe ;)
 
10:27 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Registered schools only.
my uni is not .edu
 
@WTP'-- thats an editor, but not an IDE
 
@MooingDuck s/editor/OS/
 
@MooingDuck .edu and -maybe- the school has to register stuff. They also make you check by having you log into the .edu account you specified.
 
@thecoshman Needs a restart more than twice a day? It is "too bad".
 
user142019
@MooingDuck no, Emacs is not an editor and not an IDE. It’s an OS shell.
 
10:28 PM
Emacs can very well be an IDE.
 
@MooingDuck My address @usherbrooke.ca works.
 
@WTP'-- s/shell//
 
Still, as much as I would love to pointless debate what editors and IDEs suck, I have sleep to be had
night all
 
But who'd want IDE anyway
 
user142019
@Cicada ew fucking space before period.
 
user142019
10:28 PM
@CatPlusPlus exactly.
 
user142019
Editor + terminal = WINRAR
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes not in my experience
 
@WTP'-- What?
 
@CatPlusPlus I do.
 
People who code in an actual language need an IDE.
 
10:29 PM
Yeah, but you also edit wrong files half of the time.
 
@Cicada That sounds wrong, somehow.
 
Notepad(++?) and the Command line? It works if you're bored out of your mind and are a total sadist.
 
@Cicada Where "by far the best" really just means "least awful". I hate to sound negative, but (at least IMO) it's not a matter of VS being so close to perfect, just a matter of everything else being even worse.
2
 
@WTP'-- You mean I can uncompress stuff with an editor and terminal?
 
Not using an IDE is like trying to cook food with sticks and stones.
 
10:29 PM
If you need an IDE, your language requires too much boilerplate.
5
 
@ThePhD Masochist.
 
@JerryCoffin *this
 
@CatPlusPlus I dont' want an IDE for boilerplate. I want an IDE for editor+compiler+debugger.
 
If you don't need an IDE, your language is a designed for intellectual wankery.
 
user142019
@R.MartinhoFernandes I am a moron and I put a space before my periods .Because I suck at , punctuation ..
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10:30 PM
@JerryCoffin It becomes sadism when you ask the rest of your team to do it just like you. Because reasons.
 
Running compiler from editor is trivial.
 
@MooingDuck So, you don't really need an IDE. You need an editor, a compiler and a debugger.
 
Debuggers slightly less, but you can use editor + visual debugger without much trouble and without enormous IDE overhead.
 
I want an IDE for refactoring
 
user142019
@EtiennedeMartel yes, I can decompress stuff with a terminal. See man tar and man gunzip.
 
10:31 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes fine, but it's amazing when the debugger steps through the code in the editor, the compiler messages link directly to that code in the editor...
 
Write better code instead of refactoring all the time
 
Xeo
@ThePhD Hey, Notepad++ is an IDE! You have an editor aswell as the ability to run a compiler from within it!
 
I can't be perfect all the time.
 
user142019
Write Haskell.
 
Oh, well then.
Just regular Notepad then, @Xeo.
 
10:31 PM
@ThePhD Forcing a particular editor on any other programmer, ever, is sadism (not to mention just plain stupid and counterproductive).
 
@JerryCoffin Did I mention my school forces us to use Emacs? Also they want our terminal to be black over white.
 
balls
I picked up VS2012 Pro for free
 
I rarely ever need mechanised refactoring.
 
but couldn't get Windows
 
Don't tell me you refactor through grep/sed
 
10:32 PM
really need a new Windows 7 key
 
user142019
I never needed automated refactoring.
 
@Luc did you see David's answer?
 
@DeadMG why do you need a new one?
 
I'd have to agree with @JerryCoffin about IDE's, though. VS is only godly because everyone else implements a really dumb IDE.
 
@DeadMG The old one is worn out?
 
10:32 PM
tried to use my academic licence in too many places at once
 
@Cicada I think you forgot to mention that. You really need to find a different school. I don't see any reasonable alternative.
 
user142019
I rename functions now and then, and that’s just search and replace across files. Any decent editor can do that.
 
I don't refactor to rename things.
 
and Microsoft think that my key is being used for piracy or someshit
 
@DeadMG no worries, call them and tell them you simply change hardware a lot
 
10:33 PM
When I refactor, client code needs to be changed manually anyway
 
user142019
I’m terrible at naming functions, so I rename them sometimes.
 
@DeadMG Haha. Busted.
 
I don't rename. Most common refactoring task is encapsulate/extract method
 
@DeadMG Is it erasing your background and giving you millions of "Your Windows May Be Counterfeit?"
 
@Cicada FFS. They pick a colour scheme for you?
 
10:34 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes It's wrong. If it is right, the point is badly made.
 
yep
 
Roflmao.
 
user142019
@Cicada encapsuwhat?
 
user142019
What does that do?
 
Xeo
@Cicada Ew, I really don't like black over white. I much rather have light-grey over dark-grey
 
10:34 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yes. So I started using Vim with the pink theme.
 
Xeo
Much easier on the eyes, IMHO
 
@WTP'-- Redesigns your class, because you're too bad at it.
 
@Xeo OBSIDIAN MASTER THEME
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes I can walk point by point the list and validate all requirements :/
 
user142019
@CatPlusPlus ew classes.
 
10:34 PM
@Cicada PINK?
 
user142019
I use functions and structs.
 
ROSE, fuck.
 
oh
 
namespace std {
   #include <string.h>
} //why doesn't this work again?
 
@LucDanton Last one too?
 
10:35 PM
apparently, activating with it made it all fine for some reason
 
Xeo
@R.MartinhoFernandes Which answer to which question?
 
I'd actually like a Pink IDE.
 
user142019
@MooingDuck Name mangling.
 
@DeadMG :D
 
@MooingDuck Because.
 
user142019
10:35 PM
Unless the functions are extern "C".
 
@WTP'-- oright
 
@MooingDuck It does work -- as long as you never try to link!
 
@MooingDuck Fully qualified stuff in string.h can fuck up
 
@Pubby why would it be fully qualified? C has no scopes!
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes x / y is a valid conversion to int, yes. Not much of a conversion in fact.
 
user142019
10:36 PM
@MooingDuck and you’re not allowed to modify the std namespace, so UB (I guess?).
 
@WTP'-- I meant why doesn't <cstring> do that
 
user142019
Ohh.
 
Xeo
@WTP'-- Speaking from an implementations POV
 
user142019
dunno
 
@CatPlusPlus helpful as always
 
10:36 PM
@MooingDuck Guess you're right (Although C has scopes but no scope resolution operator)
 
Blah blah.
 
I'm doing UML shit, I need to relax my brain a little
 
@MooingDuck Piotr "Helpful" Legnica.
See, it's his middle name.
 
This week is so awful I don't even
 
fuck
 
10:37 PM
@JerryCoffin I don't disagree with that. But when you've used visual studio, you can't really use anything else (IMO)
 
@CatPlusPlus And it's only tuesday!
 
cover letters
I hate you
 
Knowing life next week will be even worse
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes There is nothing with a constructor that is convertible to int here.
 
@MooingDuck I have a question about that.
 
10:37 PM
@Cicada I have to agree with that.
 
I've used VS and can live without it with no problem
 
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Q: Is it a good idea to wrap an #include in a namespace block?

R. Martinho FernandesI have a C header that was written to compile as both C and C++ (it only uses features from the common subset, and uses that extern "C" thing). Problem is, that header declares stuff in the global namespace. I'd rather avoid that for the usual reasons. I thought about doing this: namespace foo ...

 
@Cicada Some people manage it, but it's definitely not easy (at least for most).
 
You do haskell. Not actual code.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes nope
 
user142019
10:38 PM
@CatPlusPlus to uczucie
 
@Cheersandhth.-Alf Nope, what?
Oh, you mean the answer to the question is "nope"?
 
no, it's not a good idea
 
@CatPlusPlus talking about VS...is kyrostat still going to support VS/MSVC?
 
yes
 
10:39 PM
@Cicada Oh it's actual code, you're just too dumb to understand it. Peasant.
 
essentially, it can be done in practice, but at cost of updating your wrapper for every new version of wrappee
which is impractical and/or very costly
not to mention laborious
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Yet more (unnecessary) proof that the 15-character minimum should be eliminated.
 
user142019
I use TextMate and Haskell and Terminal and clang and Cabal and GHC and I never had any problems with it and I’m perfectly happy.
 
@DeadMG phew. I wasn't really looking forward to setting up scones with VS and mingw :S
 
@melak47 We've settled for GCC on all platforms, because MSVC is terrible at C++11.
 
10:40 PM
aw.
 
@melak47 Better leave those scones to the English.
 
If I have a while I'll sort out project generation, so you can edit in VS if you want.
 
What good is to edit in VS if you can't compile?
 
yay scones!
 
@CatPlusPlus any chance I can also debug in VS? :P
 
10:40 PM
VS's editor is not particularly decent.
 
You can do it yourself, though, just create makefile project and put scons invocations in.
@R.MartinhoFernandes You can compile?
 
@CatPlusPlus It's not
 
Instead of a silly space game, we should set things up to work on an IDE that's at least slightly less awful than the others.
 
user142019
@Cicada And still you can do anything with it. Except a few flow-level things.
 
@melak47 no, it's missing too many C++11 features
 
10:41 PM
@Cicada Nice try, but that video was from long time ago.
 
Does not make it less relevant.
 
Aw, can't validate via e-mail address alone. Will have to figure out who deals with that at the University.
 
Er, yes it does.
It predates some things that were implemented later.
 
You mean they implemented usefulness in later versions?
 
@Cicada Yeah, obviously being outdated does not hurt relevancy.
 
10:42 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes Look at C++.
 
Yes, with ~monads~
C++ is always outdated
 
user142019
MONADS <3
 
@Cicada I fail to map "C++" to "old spj video".
 
user142019
Even if you couldn’t do I/O in Haskell, it would still be useful if you had FFI.
 
It's harder and less useful without monads.
 
10:43 PM
I'll help you.
C++ -> outdated
Yet it's still used -> relevant
 
Not
 
user142019
Haskell is orgasmic and C++ is frightening.
 
I wouldn't consider C++ outdated. Old != outdated.
 
@MooingDuck that's kind of a bummer. Eclipse + mingw for debugging on windows then? :S
 
10:44 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes C++ is both old and outdated.
 
The video is outdated because the facts have changed since it was made.
 
It's still not relevant to that video whatsoever
 
@melak47 I guess so. mingw at least.
 
Or that video to the current state of things
 
I'm too lazy to find actual arguments
 
10:45 PM
It's not very hard concept
 
user142019
@Cicada You’re lazy? You must like Haskell.
 
Call me when you do (no, actually don't, I haven't heard any good arguments in this room about Haskell ever)
 
0
A: Is it a good idea to wrap an #include in a namespace block?

Cheers and hth. - AlfI did this kind of "place it in a namespace" for <windows.h> in the late 1990's. Although not with complete support: it was on the principle of adding support for whatever next I needed when I needed it. The key to make that work was to check which C library headers were included, and mak...

^ More about it.
 
Meh. I wouln't want to lose time on a brain-fap language anyway
 
@Cicada C++03 is, C++11 isn't.
 
10:48 PM
@EtiennedeMartel Just fresh paint on a rusty car
 
@CatPlusPlus lemonads. and gonads.
 
@Cicada You're still attributing extra meanings to the word "outdated".
 
user142019
outdated |aʊtˈdeɪtɪd|
adjective
out of date; obsolete: outdated equipment.
 
user142019
@Cicada IOW define “out of date”.
 
so, what's "indated"?
 
10:50 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes No no, I really mean it. C++ is indeed trying to catch up on its lateness, but it's inherently and forever outdated
 
Why is not up-to-date about it?
(preemptive "up-to-date != hip")
 
@Cicada c++ is starting to get the complexity of pl/1 and cobol. and it's old, in places archaic. but hardly outdated; to wit, it's very much used.
that appears to be just an english language thing
 
@Cicada I'd only call something outdated when there's a direct replacement that's enough better under enough circumstances that there's (at least virtually) no real reason left to use it. At least from this perspective, C++ is enough to render C truly outdated, but I don't know of anything else that would (even come close to) rendering C++ outdated.
 
Compilation model. Bad (if any) support of internationalization come to mind
 
Yes, I'd definitely agree with archaic.
 
10:52 PM
Okay, C is outdated.
 
user142019
C is awesome.
 
:5918636 Really? Compilation model. Bad (if any) support of internationalization come to mind
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes What post are you replying to?
 
What Jerry said. Something has to be outdated by something else.
 
Xeo
10:53 PM
@WTP'-- Awesome at being outdated?
 
You know I thought I was a purist. Looking at my relationship with C++ and how much I enjoyed Common Lisp (required topic this year), it seems I have something in me for kitchen-sink languages. I don't get it tbh.
 
user142019
@Xeo Awesome at being simple.
 
@WTP'-- C is not simple.
 
Xeo
@WTP'-- I'd call it primitive.
 
Simple language, complex code. Nothing is free you know.
 
10:55 PM
C may be simple for compiler writers.
 
Haha, yeah. extern inline.
 
Xeo
The fuck.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Nothing has (what I'd call) good support for internationalization. I'm not sure anybody's at all sure what good support would be yet, but right now it's at about the assembly language level -- you need to deal with lots of fiddly details to do even a little that works semi-reasonably.
 
Or maybe you meant front-end writers :p
 
@Xeo Yeah. C is primitive, restrictive. Like being asked to build a fire with two wet sticks. You have to rub those sticks so hard, peel the bark, dry it out, rub rub rub some more.... it's grueling for users to actually get something done that's beyond the scope of a very small problem (like half of the Linux utilities.)
 
user142019
10:56 PM
I find C much simpler than C++.
 
@LucDanton I've done that before. :)
 
@WTP'-- Because it is.
 
@WTP'-- That's the point?
 
@JerryCoffin Yeah, definitely. I was just using @Cicada's own arguments (even if I didn't agree with them) to show that she could not consider C not outdated.
 
@Mysticial I mean the 'fun' C99 rules. Not the actual keywords (implicit or not) strung together.
 
10:57 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes C is outdated. Hence why I deleted my post.
 
Yeah, I know.
 
user142019
I really don’t mind programming in C.
 
user142019
C is fine.
 
@WTP'-- simpler != simple
 
user142019
Explicit, but fine.
 
10:57 PM
C# handles internationalization pretty well, I think.
 
@WTP'-- Maybe 'I find C much more familiar than C++' is what you wanted to express?
 
Or at least, does ti better than everyone else.
 
'Simple' is tricky not simple.
 
@LucDanton Well, AFAIK simplicity of implementation is an oft mentioned virtue of C.
@ThePhD No, it doesn't.
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes Historically, yes.
 
10:59 PM
@R.MartinhoFernandes As originally defined, C was easy to implement. By the time they finished standardizing it, not (nearly) so much.
 
The death of "C" has yet to be confirmed by NetCraft
 
@JerryCoffin Ah, so that argument is totally bogus?
 

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