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3:00 PM
I would not pay for imaginary points. This is valid as much for rep as it is for ingame money etc.
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger Being decent only when it is advantageous is pretending to be decent. And that's just as indecent as possible.
Anway, @Tony, is your operator * question answered now?
 
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A: Flack Overstow - Generate spam from Stack Exchange posts

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It looks like support requests from non-techies.
 
@sbi I was being an asshole, I was trying to get @RMartinhoFernandes to react, but you did instead, now you ruined it :(
@sbi yes
 
I know this question has been asked but my google / SO-search fu is broken today, has anyone ever seen a way of checking if a string is a valid email address (RFC 5322)?
(In C++ of course)
 
@kbok I bought some money in EVE Online. I don't regret it; it's much better than spending hours staring at a screen waiting for the imaginary points to rack up on their own.
 
3:05 PM
@HunderingThooves Search for "email regexp".
 
Ewwwwww, does it really have to be a regex?
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger Ruining other people's jokes is one of my most favorite pastimes.
 
@sbi haha
 
@Maxpm I don't know what it is, but if a game requires you to stare at a screen waiting for hours, maybe you should buy another one.
 
Oh God, isn't the email regex that really really long one?
 
3:06 PM
Couldn't I just do a search for @, remove the string before it, search for invalid characters, search string after for 3-4 chars, a ., then 2-3 characters?
 
And I mean buy another game, not buy another screen.
 
@kbok Good point.
 
it's hideous if you want to accept every possible valid email
 
@HunderingThooves The best answer will be to check for an @ and leave it at that.
 
if I really cared I'd use a callout I think
 
3:06 PM
You can either have a fullblown parser or a hideous regex. But neither will guarantee you a valid address. Only valid strings.
 
And a . after it.
 
I'm guessing that checking for a @ / . would be pretty easy then.
 
@HunderingThooves You're asking about RFC-compatible e-mail addresses. I think it will be, as RFC usually requires, extremely complicated with a lot of edge cases and shadow zones. Better go with regexp them (IMO).
 
sbi
@kbok If waiting for imaginary points to assemble seems so obviously stupid to you, what are you doing here?
 
@maxrpm no need for a . - you can write an ipv4 address as a 32bit unsigned int
 
3:07 PM
If you really need to know if it's a valid address you need to send mail it.
 
Not necessarily, just because it's valid now doesn't mean it's "real", 10minutemail for example.
 
sbi
@HunderingThooves That's exactly the kind of attitude that will catch 80% of the case, and let the remaining 20% make your support drones' lives miserable.
 
@sbi Actually if you look at my reputation, it would become obvious that I'm here to chat about C++-unrelated topics, and not to collect rep.
 
@HunderingThooves Then you're out of luck.
Like I said, don't put too many resources into it. It's a lost battle.
 
3:09 PM
Lounge C++ -- Programmers that are very jaded about working in the tech field.
 
is this even valid ` QList< MyType *const>` ?
 
I'm smiling though, so it's all that matters.
 
@awoodland Wow, really?
 
It was just for a fun thing that I'm doing on the side.
 
3:09 PM
I think PHP has a function for validating email addresses. I wonder how far it takes it.
 
Oh, the topic. Where does it come from ?
 
The php one is a regex.
 
@Maxpm 2130706433 <- localhost!
 
email_check_address()
 
why are we talking about regex and PHP? Ugh :(
 
3:11 PM
@TonyTheTiger yes. T const*const pT; is valid. MyType *const; would specify that the pointer is constant but the contents are mutable
 
I think there's also email_send_confirmation_email_with_cleartext_password(). For convenience.
 
(or an IPv6 address without at . of course)
 
@TonyTheTiger Sure. It's a QList, whose template parameter is a constant pointer of the MyType kind.
 
hmmm
so does the fact it's a const pointer make it non assignable?
 
@kbok And probably email_real_send_confirmation_email_with_cleartext_password().
@TonyTheTiger Yes. I'm not sure that will work well with QList.
 
3:13 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes oh ok
 
Can someone explain to me when it's a good idea to use a map vs a list in C++? I don't really understand the difference in terms of performance.
 
They do different things.
Apples are not faster than oranges.
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a std:: list is not an associative container and std::map is, which makes them very different
 
@RMartinhoFernandes But they are faster than some PCs. :P
flame war, flame war, flame war </banter>
 
you'd use std::map if you wanted a key/value type relationship in your elements
std::list is just a doubly linked list of elements
 
3:16 PM
Please excuse my language, but firefox s*cks bloody f*cking d*cks with that modal proxy auth dialog horror.
 
but no k/v pairs
 
@Moshe I don't understand. What is faster than a Personal Computer? A server?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes :-)
 
It pops up eight times in a row with absolutely no feedback about what happened with your password. Also it steals your focus and prevents you to come back to any other tab.
 
Apple Inc. manufactures personal computers too.
 
3:17 PM
And what you type seems to have absolutely no effect whatsoever.
 
Akito, Pakistan
1.2k 3 15
Jeff Atwood in disguise?
 
sbi
@kbok What is that?
 
Why ?
@sbi What ?
 
the avatar used
 
@TonyTheTiger Probably not, report it.
 
sbi
3:19 PM
@kbok That dialog.
I've never seen it.
 
@TonyTheTiger Oh, I don't see them.
@sbi You must have been blessed.
 
@Moshe how?
 
@Maxpm @tonythetiger verified pointer const syntax.. ideone.com/dfbRk
 
@TonyTheTiger Try a mod chat room? Meta? Flag a post and leave a message?
 
@HunderingThooves Lists can be "rearranged" very easily. Insertion and removal is extremely fast, because you're just adding/removing a link rather than rebuilding a whole array on the heap. Hash maps, on the other hand, are very fast at mapping keys to indices, and therefore to values.
 
sbi
3:22 PM
@kbok Yeah, maybe, but what is this dialog?
 
As I said, it's a modal dialog that pops up with no apparent reason, that steals your focus so that what you're currently typing overrides the value of the "login" field, blocks your access to the whole app until you validate it, and does not give any feedback about what happens with the values you entered after that. It can pop up several times in a row, depending on the page you are viewing (some pages can invoke it like a hundred times so you have to kill FF). Also the values proposed [...]
 
@Maxpm std::maps are not hash maps.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes They're not? What are they, then?
 
Usually, binary search trees.
Because they need order.
Hash tables don't give you order.
 
afaik a map is implemented as red black tree
 
3:23 PM
are the ones you typed the first time, and you have to reset it in the options dialog if you want to change them. That will imply accessing the options dialog, which you can't because it's coming back again and again. Also you have no details about why it's coming.
 
The new standard has std::unordered_map, which indeed uses a hash table.
 
@kbok Mozilla went to the Microsoft school of modal dialog design, I guess
 
@kbok: it's sounds like you're in an abusive relationship.
 
@jalf That's crazy. They have hacky code to embed the menu button on the XP window title bar, oh yes. But they still have this there-is-not-word-for-that-in-englisch dialog.
We have words for that in french though.
 
3:27 PM
Would I be correct in saying that hash maps are typically implemented by taking a key, running it through a hash function to get a numeric index, and accessing the respective element in an internal dynamically-allocated array?
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger Most of the whole standard library is described in terms of results, not implementation. Vendors can implement it any way they like. (Of course, I doubt there's other implementations of std::map than red-black trees...)
 
 
@kbok In English we take the more effective route of simply discussing the ancestry of the cretins involved. It's more fun to blame somebody than talk about the real problem, after all! ;-)
 
@Maxpm Yes. That, plus collision resolution.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Right, unless it's a perfect hash function.
 
3:29 PM
@sbi No AVL tree love?
 
sbi
@kbok But that means a site asks you for a password constantly. Why would that be the browser's problem?
 
@sbi I'm pretty sure I recall having seen where somebody wrote one using AVL trees.
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes I shoulda said binary trees. Sorry, my brainfart.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes A splay tree won't work -- O(log N) insertion/deletion is a requirement.
 
@JerryCoffin Ah ok. Thanks.
 
3:30 PM
The concept of hashing is pretty crazy, to me. I don't really get how you can't deduce the input from a one-way hash function's output. How does that even work?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I love splay trees because they have a funny name
 
Splay trees have good expected complexity, but not such good guarantees.
 
happy?
@Maxpm because multiple inputs produce the same hash code
 
@Maxpm Pretty well, at least given the right function.
 
@sbi In this case, it's the proxy (The site says : "" is erroneous and BTW stupid), and the problem is that is modal and pops up for each HTTP connection opened at a given time (So asking 20 times in a row is quite common).
 
3:31 PM
@Maxpm You're basically just throwing away information. A simple hashing function for strings might just take the first letter. That gives you 26 possible output values, and no way to reconstruct the input
 
@maxpm the size of the output space is smaller than the size of the input space. e.g. int hash(int x) { return x & 1; }
 
@Maxpm If I give you a number, say 1234566, can you tell me the list of numbers I added together to get that as a sum?
 
int hash(foo) { return 0; } <-- see how you can't deduce the input?
 
Hmm, good explanations.
 
@JerryCoffin I bet you didn't add any numbers together. You cheater
 
3:32 PM
@sbi When an auth fails in firefox, it just asks again. There is no error reporting on that, and that's super annoying because it could be the password as well as any other thing (sometimes it's just gratuitous).
 
And there's just so many possible outputs that you don't have to worry about collisions?
 
@jalf Guilty as charged. Like 97.365% of all statistics, this was made up on the spot.
 
@Maxpm no, you generally do have to worry about collisions
 
Aug 7 at 19:52, by R. Martinho Fernandes
> You shouldn't trust any statistic you haven't forged yourself.
 
the hash function tells you which bucket to look in. Then you typically iterate through every object in that bucket, comparing "properly" to find the actual match
 
3:34 PM
@jalf Right, right. I was referring to things like MD5 and SHA-1.
 
hmm I commented on a first and late answer by a new user that was condescending to the point of being abusive but didn't flag it and 5 minutes later it's vanished entirely
 
@Maxpm Ah, yeah
 
@sbi I know the fundamental problem comes from the proxy. Although, the proxy is having a perfectly standard behaviour, and, as my experience tells me, this is extremely common (shitty proxies). FF pretends to be super usable and compatibility friendly. In this case, it is definitively not.
 
@Maxpm That depends. For a normal hash table, yes, you normally worry about collisions. For things like most cryptographic hashes, you typically assume there won't be. Producing a collision for a cryptographic hash is a semi-newsworthy event, at least among cryptanalysts.
 
@kbok Don't blame the annoying messenger!
 
3:36 PM
Mmh.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes In this case, I think blaming the messenger is perfectly fine. Even though the proxy is the origin of the problem, FF could (and should) do a drastically better job of delivering the message.
 
@JerryCoffin Agreed. I should have used sarcasm punctuation. :)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes If the messenger would knock at your door during your sleep, asking the same question again and again, which you would answer every time, wouldn't you blame him ?
 
Don't blame the messenger, shoot him.
 
Actually I think I would prefer having a messenger knocking at my door because I could kick him in the genitals.
Modal dialogs don't have genitals.
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3:39 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Yes -- after you edited your post, the intent was a bit more apparent. In my part of the world it's still too early for me to be fully awake though...
@RMartinhoFernandes Around here we don't shoot the messenger. We find tar and feathers quite effective though...
 
What's the point of a set? Why would you want to map a key to itself? So you could search for the value of that key, and say, "Oh, now I remember! The value of 'apple' is 'apple!'"
 
I came late to the party, but I think the accepted answer to this question doesn't quite capture the problem...
 
@Maxpm a set's elements are ordered
 
@KerrekSB Sure it does.
 
3:44 PM
@Maxpm An important operation of a set is testing if an element is present.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Aah.
I don't really see how that could be used in the "real world," though.
 
TIL Deriving from a type does not inherit all the constructors.
 
@Maxpm I use sets all the time. One of my favourite data structure.
 
@TonyTheTiger Would be nice, wouldn't it?
 
@TonyTheTiger It doesn't inherit any constructor, does it...?
 
3:46 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes yes, but I never even thought about that...
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A: Efficiency of std::copy vs memcpy

Tony The Tigerstd::copy will use memcpy when it is appropriate, so you should just use std::copy and let it do the work for you.

am I right here, or am I telling lies?
 
@TonyTheTiger It's up to the implementation, but pragmatically you're right
 
@KerrekSB oh pragmatically eh... not sure what you mean by that?
 
@TonyTheTiger In practice.
 
oh ok
Hit repcap :) Woot
 
@TonyTheTiger Congrats.
 
3:52 PM
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Q: Get byte - how is this wrong?

AdamI want to get the designated byte from a 32 bit integer. I am getting wrong values but I dont know why. The restrictions to this problem are: must used signed bits, and I cant use multiplication. I specifically need to know what is wrong with the function as is below. here is the function: in...

It's like, I want that guy to experience some pain. But the account is fresh new. So no way...
 
@AlfPSteinbach How come I've seen this question three or four times in the past few days?
 
@TonyTheTiger Well, nobody says that the library must use memcpy or memmove, but most implementations will, so you can write programs as though that was a given.
 
@KerrekSB oh ok
what's the difference between memmove and memcpy ?
 
@TonyTheTiger I think there are usually some internal traits that tell the library whether something is amenable to memcpy or not... but one would have to check the implementation.
@TonyTheTiger memmove can deal with overlapping regions
It performs an additional check to see if it has to copy from front to back or from back to front.
 
@KerrekSB In C++11 they're standard!
 
3:58 PM
What is a "top-down algorithm?"
Also, splay trees are cool.
 
@KerrekSB memcpy(&data[0], &data[1], sizeof(data)/2). You just copied the first byte to all of the first half.
 
@Maxpm I guess, in relation to trees, where it starts at root and goes down, instead of going breadth first
so that would be depth first
 
@TonyTheTiger Ah, thanks.
 
repwhoring seems pointless when you've hit repcap :(
 
:(
How would one implement a const-correct splay tree?
 
4:09 PM
@Maxpm In relation to trees, it would usually refer to something like a R-B or AVL tree as top-down vs. a B-tree as bottom-up.
@Maxpm mutable would be handy here.
 
@JerryCoffin Mmh. Probably dangerous, though.
Interesting graph.
 
@Maxpm Dangerous, possibly. Necessary, definitely.
@Maxpm Interesting, but almost certainly related only to one specific implementation. A different implementation could/would look a lot different.
 
@JerryCoffin Mmh. I'm not sure I can make much sense of it.
I'm intrigued by the find-insert relationship.
 
@TonyTheTiger Votes still count for badges when you hit the repcap.
 
I don't really get why it does that, though.
 
4:22 PM
@Maxpm They're doing gradual resizing when the table gets too close to full. The insert that passes the limit takes a while, then there's more data moved to the resized part of the table at each consecutive insert. As that happens, the search speed improves. If you look at the distances between the saw teeth, they get further apart as the table gets bigger, so they're using a geometric progression of sizes (i.e., size *= N, not size += N).
 
@JerryCoffin Huh. Cool. Thank you.
 
Sorry, looking again, I think I got one part wrong: they're triggering the resizing in response to searches, not insertions.
 
That's odd.
I wonder how they tested removals per second in relation to the number of items indexed.
 
probably constructed 1million hash tables with N items in them and then removed one item from each one
 
Eek.
I'm glad I don't have to do this kind of testing.
 
4:30 PM
why? it'd be pretty easy
that's what a loop is for
 
Is there a way to quickly set the length of a file?
 
OS API?
 
@TonyTheTiger for any sane implementation, you're right. Of course, there's no rule in the implementation that std::copy has to be efficient, but....
 
@DeadMG I'd rather have a portable solution.
Boost.Filesystem seems to have it.
 
I certainly doubt it in the Standard API
 
4:33 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes why did I read that as "length of the nile"?
 
Yah, boost::filesystem::resize_file works like POSIX truncate.
 
What do you mean by "set the length?"
Do you want to just fill it with null values until it's the right size?
 
@Maxpm That's the end result, but I don't want to waste time writing gigs of zeroes.
Basically, I'm pre-allocating disk space.
 
o_O
That's a bit of an odd thing to do.
Might I ask why?
 
I'm writing a BitTorrent client.
 
4:39 PM
Hello, I have a problem : I am trying to link Boost on Visual Studio, I have linked boost and compiled by using b2, my libs are now in C:\boost_1_47_0\stage\lib, I added the reference "C:\boost_1_47_0\stage\lib" in Input->Additionnal Dependencies and VS2010 tell me : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file 'C:\boost_1_47_0\stage\lib\.obj'
 
one answer could be to avoid fragmentation. Allocating a huge file in one go, and then gradually filling it out means it (likely) won't be fragmented much. But gradually growing the file almost guarantees that you'll get a lot of fragmentation
 
@JohnCastle You're trying to link to a directory, not a file.
 
Yeah but how do I do to tell VS I want to link a folder ?
 
@Maxpm I will be writing to random offsets inside the file.
 
@JohnCastle You can't link to a folder. You can link to all the stuff inside a folder. If you want to do that, I'm not sure. I don't use VS.
@RMartinhoFernandes Ah, I see.
 
4:41 PM
@JohnCastle what do you expect the linker to do with a folder?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Well, if you're writing a BitTorrent client, won't it be pretty OS-dependent already?
 
@Maxpm No.
So far I have handled both network and filesystem stuff portably.
 
@jalf, it is supposed to use the auto-link feature and choose the right lib to use
 
There's an auto-link feature? Neat.
 
that is what is written in the boost doc
 
4:43 PM
@JohnCastle VS10?
 
that's not part of Visual Studio, it's part of Boost's build tools, I believe
 
@DeadMG It's a compiler feature. A #pragma something something
 
#pragma comment(lib, "somefilepath")
still not automatic or directory linking
 
A wrong link was here.
 
@R.Martinho, so I should write : /I C:\boost_1_47_0\stage\lib\ ?
 
4:46 PM
No, no, wrong link.
 
ok
yes VS2010
 
If this is VS 10 it's in the Project Properties.
Additional Library Directories or something.
 
Why does linking always have to be such a pain?
 
@R.Martinho, yes it is in Linker -> Input -> Additional Dependencies
 
4:47 PM
@JohnCastle No, that's the library names.
You need the library search path.
 
@R.Martinho, nice it is working
thanks a lot :)
 
Autolink can be a pain in the ass.
 
the whole thing is easier now with visual c++ 10.0 because single-threaded runtime is no longer supported, and in best case that halves the number of different lib variants to consider
 
if you make bets, the think twice what you bet, I'd say
 
Or just lose the bet.
 
5:01 PM
true that
BOOST_FOREACH(v1.begin(). v1.end(), BOOST_FOREACH(v2.begin(), v2.end(), doSomething()));
can you do that?
 
No idea.
If you're talking about this question, if that works, it's not the same.
Yours would give nested loops. The question does convolution.
 
convolution?
 
oh I see
 
In computer science, specifically formal languages, convolution (sometimes referred to as zip) is a function which maps a tuple of sequences into a sequence of tuples. Example The convolution of and, fish, be is : (a,f,b)(n,i,e)(d,s,\#)(\#,h,\#) Definition Let Σ be an alphabet, # a symbol not in Σ. Let x1x2... x|x|, y1y2... y|y|, z1z2... z|z|, ... be n words (i.e. finite sequences) of elements of Σ. Let \ell denote the length of the longest word, i.e. the maximum of |x|, |y|, |z|, ... . The convolution of these words is a finite sequence of n-tuples of elements o...
 
5:08 PM
oh ok
cuteness :)
 
@TonyTheTiger I doubt it. The return type of a for-each in C++ usually is the functor that you passed.
@RMartinhoFernandes How do you like my channel_pair :) ?
 
It's much friendlier than std::pair :)
Did you consider pop(std::nothrow) instead of pop_nothrow()?
 
Yes.
Doesn't seem worth it.
The _nothrow convention is used at least by Luabind and I wouldn't be surprised it exists elsewhere.
 
I'm still weirded out by the name in_channel<T>, I want to put things in it.
Would it be a crime to rename all the in stuff to input?
input_channel<T> input = pair.input;
 
5:16 PM
Ah, for a moment there, I thought you were suggesting reversing it again.
 
@LucDanton How about "ingress" and "egress"?
 
Gosh.
"Too academic." :)
 
We need some std::estringstream for the Standard Library!
 
Well, input_channel is just three more characters to type, and it's clearer.
 
Yay for e :-)
 
5:19 PM
Time to do some vim magic.
 
@LucDanton aptitude purge vim; aptitude install emacs?
 
@TonyTheTiger No.
 
How dare you!
 
@KerrekSB I'd flag you if it didn't annoy the hell out of everyone! ;)
 
BOOST_FOREACH expands to few ifs and a for.
AFAIR.
 
5:22 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Just trying to be helpful...
:-)
 
You people still haven't got rid of those flags?
Also Emacs is good, if you don't like your fingers.
 
@CatPlusPlus My fingers are already damaged enough without emacs :( I don't want to cut them off.
 
hm, i never got started with those *nix editors. i was completely turned off by editor that didn't support arrow keys (at that time). i'd made much better editors myself.
 
You mean M-x C-x cut them.
 
sbi
Just because we don't use the same editor/OS doesn't mean that I'm an idiot, or that you are an idiot. It means we have differing opinions.
 
5:26 PM
Going this way we couldn't make fun of anything.
And that's no fun.
 
Isn't "person with an opinion that differs from mine" the very definition of "idiot"?
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@CatPlusPlus And this is the funnest room on chat.
 
From the Asio docs: "However, handler types are still required to be copy constructible."
Well that's too bad.
 
Real programmers use nano.
 
Not this again.
 
5:30 PM
Yes. We're doing this.
Real programmers hack Microsoft and steal jobs.
 
Ok, then. Real programmers are not constrained by their choice of editor.
 
Real programmers use ed, the standard editor.
 
Oh God, I'm trapped in ed.
Ctrl+C isn't working.
 
Emacs is a pretty decent operating system. Just a shame it lacks a good text editor
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as the old joke goes
 
5:34 PM
Ha!
 
lulz
haven't seen much of @puppy today
is he doing his coursework?
@DeadMG haven't seen much of you today, where are you hiding?
 
sbi
@TonyTheTiger He fought PROLOG again, and this time PROLOG won.
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in a game
 
oh lol
 
@DeadMG a good one?
 
5:38 PM
what game?
 
1) I lost the game.
2)
 
Deus Ex
 
@DeadMG day o' sex
 
Human Revolution? How is it?
 
I'm still on the first mission, but enjoying it so far. Feels pretty deus-ex'ey
 
5:42 PM
it's fun
I just knocked out some guys by throwing dumpsters at them
 
That's always fun.
 
hehe, that a first person shooter type game? Deus Ex?
 
sbi
@jalf Now @Tony's on his way to the store buying the game...
 
lol
everything in this room that has sex in it, is associated with me. What a reputation have I got myself? :(
 
one of appearing whenever the word "sex" is mention
 
5:48 PM
@TonyTheTiger First person is accurate, 'shooter' may not be.
 
@DeadMG oh lol
 
@TonyTheTiger shooter/action rpg/whatever. Not very shootery most of the time.
 
it's a shooter, technically
with a lot of rpg mixed in
but you can also pick stealth, hacking, and even exploring and social engineering to get around various in-game challenges
 
except bosses
 
I want to see a game that features SQL injection hacking.
 
" DROP TABLE ammo_shipments; --
@jalf Ha.
 
it's the kind of game where you can go around beating up police officers, stealing their guns, and selling them on the black market
 
My friend apparently goofed around when he should have been going to the next mission, exploring the world and enjoying the free-roam aspects. When he finally did the mission, he found eight dead hostages.
 
yeah, when the guy tells you that you need to hurry at the beginning of the game, he's not kidding
 
"Terrorists win."
 
5:58 PM
but you get to go right back to Sarif Industries and Detroit afterwards, so
 
@DeadMG what, the first mission?
 
the first actual mission
not the little thing at the start
 
I took ages waffling around before I started on that, and then took aaaages going through the first half of it. Somehow the hostages were still alive when I got there
 
yeah, that
apparently if you spend more than 15 minutes before starting it, the hostages die before you arrive
but you can spend as long as you want actually on the mission before freeing them
 
that bomb wasn't on a proper timer, was it? Was around 10 secs left when I got there. I assumed it just started counting down when you entered the room or something
ah
 

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