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6:00 PM
I have the original Deus Ex now, courtesy of that same friend. It came free with his game, apparently.
I know nothing about it. Looking forward to getting into it.
 
the first game is a classic
horrible graphics though
especially by today's standards
 
Mmh.
Well, I really enjoyed Half-Life, regardless.
 
but if you can look past that, it's brilliant
 
Actually, I don't think I ever actually finished Half-Life. I got stuck on the final boss.
 
@Maxpm that helps, but honestly, Deus Ex is a whole other league of ugly. Halflife just looks dated, but it was pretty good looking when it came out. Good art and style and everytihng. DX always looked kind of cardboard box'ey and smeared out, and now it also looks old and primitive on top of that
 
6:03 PM
@jalf Oh, dear.
 
anyway, it's still worth playing. The gameplay is solid
 
@jalf I thought it did. But I always got in through the vent.
Half-Life was actually a pretty shitty game
compared to System Shock 2, for example
 
hm, I didn't realize there was a vent leading into the room
and nah, Halflife was a great game. Different genre than SS2 though
doesn't really make sense to compare them
anyway, I'd better go make some dinner
 
nah, HL was just boring
same old puzzles, same old enemies, same old skills, the whole bajillion-hour trip
 
well, you're wrong
so there!
 
6:05 PM
SS2 gave much more variety in it's gameplay
 
"same old" compared to what?
 
HL did get a bit boring at times.
 
HL had the same enemies and puzzles as HL, yes. That's a fair criticism. But it didn't have much in common with earlier shooters
anyway, off I go. But I'm still right!
 
Looks like the Texas State Bank hasn't been doing well.
 
That's a cool idea.
 
user457812
That trends thing sucks. I can't draw a penis for a curve.
 
6:48 PM
I love the Purity First trailer.
I wanna see a movie.
 
Well, I'm off to waste my life on Homestuck.
Au revoir.
 
7:04 PM
evening
 
@TonyTheTiger evening baby
 
oh noes, the baby guy again :P
how goes it?
 
I'm watching the European Qualifiers
Hungary - Sweden
1-1
 
Qualifiers for what?
 
uefa euro 2012
 
7:09 PM
Oh that.
 
oh footie
 
My coworkers are always talking about that. Either that or money.
 
not my thing really
 
@RMartinhoFernandes is that why you chat on here instead?
 
7:10 PM
@TonyTheTiger That's a reason, yeah.
 
They're nice guys, but a bit boring :)
 
yea, I know that type, boring coworker
 
Well, I'm hoping to get a new batch of them in the near future.
 
oh yea, found anything yet?
or what kind of thing do you want to code this time?
 
7:12 PM
Not yet, I only started looking for a new job this week.
 
@TonyTheTiger If you want a job here in Sweden I can get you one
 
@ManofOneWay oh rly?
 
@TonyTheTiger I'd like to do some C++. But it's not easy to find something.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes hmmm I know what you mean
 
argh
dumb-ass Chrome now takes me to Meta instead of MSDN when I enter "M" in the omnibox
 
7:14 PM
lol
 
Chrome is the outside, V8 is the inside, just like a car. I just noticed this.
I'm probably late to the party...
Fargo is a 1996 American dark comedy-crime film produced, directed and written by brothers Joel and Ethan Coen. It stars Frances McDormand as a pregnant police chief who investigates a series of homicides, William H. Macy as a car salesman who hires two criminals to kidnap his wife, Steve Buscemi and Peter Stormare as the criminals, and Harve Presnell as the salesman's father-in-law. The film earned seven Academy Award nominations, winning two for Best Original Screenplay for the Coens and Best Actress in a Leading Role for McDormand. It also won the BAFTA Award and the Award for Best Di...
^ Have any of you seen this movie?
 
no not seen it
 
Awesome movie :)
 
@TonyTheTiger Maybe! Where are you from?
 
@kcsavage :)
 
7:18 PM
Anything by the Coens is usually good
 
I've recently seen this movie for, I think, the 5th time.
It gets better each time I see it :)
 
Just watched Raising Arizona the other day for the first time, awesome.
What about O'Brother Where Art Thou?
 
@ManofOneWay Belgium
 
@Tony The Tiger I was just in Belgium a couple weeks ago!
 
@kcsavage I kind of liked that movie. I probably would learn to appreciate it more when seeing it multiple times. I haven't seen Raising Arizona yet.
 
7:20 PM
@StackedCrooked Yeah, you would-it made me like bluegrass music
@TonyTheTiger Where in Belgium?
 
man
 
@kcsavage Cool
 
I'm also from Belgium btw (Gent).
 
so many questions tagged both C++ and C that have absolutely nothing to do with either of them
 
Has any of seen "Burn after Reading" ?
 
7:21 PM
@StackedCrooked That's one place that we wanted to go,but didn't
 
I'm close to where @StackedCrooked is from
 
@DeadMG Hunting rep?
 
@TonyTheTiger It's OK but not really worth paying for if you have to
 
@kcsavage Cool, so you've been to Belgium?
 
@ManofOneWay Who's hunting rep?
 
7:22 PM
@DeadMG Probably they are hoping to reach a greater audience.
 
@StackedCrooked yeah-Brussels & Bruges
 
@DeadMG btw, thanks for the function objects a few days ago. It worked good
 
@StackedCrooked Still tough- the tag system is not about who you want to view your question, it's about what it's relevant to.
 
@kcsavage Gent > Bruges.
 
@StackedCrooked Of the places we visited in EU, I could see moving to belgium
@StackedCrooked That's what everyone told us
 
7:22 PM
@DeadMG I agree with you.
 
@ManofOneWay Cue trademarked bragging.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Oh shizzle, I forgot
 
just wait for it, it's coming ....
 
@ManofOneWay That's because I r a Genius™!
 
@StackedCrooked We were on a 16 day run through Europe holiday. I would like to go back and do Gent & Antwerp in Belgium
 
7:23 PM
Bruges is like too fairy taily. Gent is more authentic.
 
@StackedCrooked shush you!
Typical for people from Ghent to say that, meh
 
shush?
 
What about In Bruges?
 
@DeadMG Assumed you were hunting rep when complaining over the irrelevant C++ & C questions
 
We just watched that the other day after we got back
 
7:24 PM
Bruges mate
 
@DeadMG s m r t
 
@TonyTheTiger What's your skills? I've worked at GE Healthcare here and a few other companies. Maybe I can check if they have any jobs out
 
@ManofOneWay No, I already have more than enough rep. I complain about them because I have C++ tagged and I hate it when questions come up tagged as C++ when they actually have absolutely nothing to do with C++.
 
However, the movie In Bruges is quite good.
In Bruges is a 2008 black comedy crime film written and directed by Martin McDonagh. The film stars Colin Farrell and Brendan Gleeson as two hitmen in hiding, with Ralph Fiennes as their gangster boss. The film takes place—and was filmed—within the Belgian city of Bruges. In Bruges was the opening night film of the 2008 Sundance Film Festival. The film opened in limited release in the United States on 8 February 2008; premiered at the Jameson Dublin International Film Festival on 15 February 2008; later went on full release in Ireland on 7 March 2008; and opened 18 April 2008 i...
 
@ManofOneWay C++
 
7:25 PM
@StackedCrooked I was surprised at how much I liked it
 
user457812
@StackedCrooked In Bruges is excellent.
 
@TonyTheTiger Are you an engineer?
 
@ManofOneWay I'm just a tiger, nothing else. :P
 
@TonyTheTiger So you need special working conditions.
 
I'm a self-taught programmer, and my fav lang is C++
@RMartinhoFernandes I work in cages :P
I've actually been fooling y'all, I live in Siberia, cause that's where my natural habitat is.
 
7:28 PM
According to my job title I'm an engineer, even though I don't have an engineer's degree. I prefer to call myself "Software Developer".
 
user457812
Huh, there's a christianity SE site now
 
user457812
Excuse me while I laugh at the favorite button for it being a pentagram
 
@StackedCrooked If I were to take that one job I was offered, I'd be an engineer too, lol
 
@TonyTheTiger :)
 
7:29 PM
@TonyTheTiger @StackedCrooked That's cheating :(
 
I'd prefer to call myself Tony The Tiger :)
 
If I have to study 5 years, so must you! :@
 
@ManofOneWay And that makes you an engineer?
 
@ManofOneWay lol
 
@ManofOneWay I'm not cheating. I didn't ask to be called an engineer!
 
7:30 PM
wish I had done my degree :( would be easier to get a job
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I guess
@RMartinhoFernandes I sure hope so :)
 
although for a guy without a degree, who's got 1 year of work experience, I've got two interviews at some pretty cool companies. So for that bit I'm proud of myself :)
 
What's the difference between a 105 vs 104 key keyboard (besides the one key har har)?
 
@TonyTheTiger perhaps it's not too late to get one...
 
@StackedCrooked thought about that too, and the VDAB is doing a course in C++, but it has some requirement I don't have, can't remember what
 
7:32 PM
@LucDanton The difference is really just the extra key.
 
Which one would that be?
 
and I don't really fancy studying computer programming in Dutch, meh
 
Ah, to the right of left shift apparently.
 
@TonyTheTiger perhaps university/college? if you can finance it you should probably go for. it opens so many doors. (and you get to have some fun being a student)
 
Yes, that one.
 
7:33 PM
@StackedCrooked I don't have the finances to pay for it :( else I'd have done it
 
well, that sucks..
 
@TonyTheTiger In Sweden it's free
 
I've been lucky in that regard. Finances were tight and on top of that I failed a few years.. But I still got the degree in the end.
 
and seeing that I'm handicapped and can't stand up for hours, getting a small job like working as a bartender or something, I'm unable to do, so that kinda kills it
 
@TonyTheTiger and it was for foreigners as well one year ago
 
7:35 PM
@ManofOneWay can you find out if that's still the case?
 
@TonyTheTiger It's not
 
damn :( you gave me false hope there for a second...
 
@ManofOneWay that sounds AWESOME!
 
I just farted
 
@StackedCrooked sounded
 
7:36 PM
:P
 
I want to go learn swedish now..
 
sorry about that
 
@RMartinhoFernandes grammar nazi
protte di svenska?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes It never stopped sounding awesome to me.
ich protte svenska sehr gut
 
7:37 PM
It is the most awesomest....
 
Oh noes, gibberish.
 
a German/Swedish mix ....
 
Swedish and german are quite similiar
 
Talle di Dansk?
 
Rob
7:37 PM
It seems my algorithms class will be using C++ :)
 
I speak German...
woot for C++ in the algo class :)
 
Of course, Danish is even more like swedish
@Rob yaaaaaaaaaaaaay
 
Danish people always sound like they need a lot air to pronounce their words
no offence
 
@Rob jealous
 
@TonyTheTiger British too, like when they exhale after pronouncing the letter 'p'.
 
Rob
7:38 PM
:]
 
@TonyTheTiger Danish sounds like they have porridge in their throat
 
You're lucky you that you ain't using PROLOG, cause some around here can tell you all about that "horrible" experience....
 
No offense taken
 
It's like the British say p-ha-rrot instead of parrot.
 
@Rob - I'd be really interested to hear your assessment of how well it works, i.e. how many students "can see the wood for the trees" at the end of it
 
7:39 PM
that's posh British
and since I consider myself half British, I take offence
NOT
 
I think it was taught to us this way in school.
 
I need to learn how to do a good toff impression in more than just en_GB
 
Can you do Australian accent?
 
Rob
@TonyTheTiger Prolog is used for our AI class I hear
 
is the question do I think I can do it or do other people think I can? ;)
 
7:41 PM
@Rob oh phun phun
@awoodland others of course
 
Rob
@awoodland From looking at this book, there's more math than code, so I expect we'll have to know the concepts pretty well
 
@Rob that's algorithms for ya
 
Rob
Although at the end of each problem or section, a solution is presented in C++
I just opened it to a rather nice implementation of a greedy knapsack solution
 
Bored. Whats up in the lounge?
 
the sky is generally up
 
7:46 PM
Stuff.
 
what's up with you?\
 
Just finished editing some template meta-library now running the tests to see if it still works.
 
Let me guess, it doesn't.
 
We will see in 20 minutes
 
7:49 PM
there should be a "pyschic-debugging" tag
 
Anybody have comments on how to do dependency injection in template-meta functions (ie you can not inject via parameters).
Or am I thinking about it inversely correct.
 
@Tux-D can you clarify the actual problem?
 
Does deleting a comment count as an upvote :P? I deleted my comment in favour of another one, which I tried to upvote and I had to wait 5 secs..
 
No problems. Just looking for comments from people.
 
oh, by the way
 
7:51 PM
If something is not customizable via parameters, then there's nothing you can do.
 
is #line Standard?
 
How is Wales this time of year?
 
same as always
 
Well okay explicit specialization is not a kind of parameter. So there's that, too.
 
strangeyly sunny yesterday
 
7:52 PM
@LucDanton Don't say his name!
@DeadMG Yes.
 
Rob
@DeadMG I'm 90% sure #line is part of the C standard
 
@DeadMG Yes (Its required by the C language to be defined by the pre-processor)
 
@RobMG - it's definitely in ANSI 89.
 
When someone here uses the unqualified word "Standard" it usually means the C++ standard.
 
@TuxD You're thinking of __LINE__
 
7:55 PM
And yeah, #line is standard C++.
 
although I had always assumed it was gcc specific
 
Rob
@RMartinhoFernandes Well yes, but C++ inherits C
 
not everything
some things are different- especially where C99 is concerned
 
according to the K&R book on ansi 89 it is stanardised
 
7:56 PM
@LucDanton Type specialization of the template allows you to inject new functionality (ots like the parameter of the template world. Or via traits. So you change the type so the traits act as injectors.
 
Rob
Hmm
I assumed anything in ANSI C had to be inherited by the C++ standard
 
@DeadMG Oops. missed that. You are correct I was thinking of LINE
 
C is not a subset of C++.
@TuxD Ahah, Markdown 1 - 0 Tux-D
 
@RMartinhoFernandes But the C++ standard explicitly inherits from the C standard.
 
@TuxD Can't reap the benefits of traits without passing a parameter though.
 
Rob
7:57 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes True, but it's a predecessor with whom C++ tries to be backward compatible.
 
@TuxD It is explicit in the places it inherits from the C standard. It doesn't inherit anything (much less everything) implicitly.
 
Rob
I guess explicitly being a subset, though, would require everything in C be a part of C++
 
@LucDanton Yes you can. Unless you are talking about template parameters?
 
@TuxD Only in some places.
The C++ Standard does not say "We do everything in the C Standard, plus.. "
it sometimes refers to the C Standard, in some specific features
 
@TuxD Any kind of parameter. What good is it to specialize some_trait<T> if you don't pass T either explicitly or deduced?
 
7:59 PM
more often, the C++ Standard simply states what the C Standard stated at the time of it's production
 
<quote>C++ is a general purpose programming language based on the C programming language as described in ISO/IEC 9899:1999 Programming languages — C (hereinafter referred to as the C standard).</quote>
 
yeah, so what?
 
@TuxD Does that say it keeps any features?
 
based on != inherits from
 

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