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Rob
7:08 PM
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This see up-votes / down-votes separately is a very nice feature :)
 
I miss it on meta
although on my phone my touch screen accuracy is bad enough I normally vote by accident instead
 
hahah
lol
@KianMayne what don't you understand about it?
 
Rob
@RMartinhoFernandes LOL, wow
 
@sbi Oddly, I had a vaguely similar experience somewhere around the same time (would have been a few years earlier, but not a whole lot). At the time, I was in the US Air Force, and we got a couple of people transferred in who'd recently been helping de-commission ICBMs. After hearing about the amount of work it took to just get rid of one missile, (and being a smartass teenager), I asked something like: "Why not just aim for the middle of the ocean and push the button?"
 
7:14 PM
lol
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin I'm not sure I follow you. That got you a "special interview?"
 
@sbi I got to spend the next week with a psychiatrist answering questions like: "Did your mother beat you as a child?" and "What does this ink-blot look like to you?" After a week of this nonsense, he finally looked over his notes, looked decidedly puzzled, and said: "But...but...you're normal!" (I guess he wasn't entirely competent).
 
So you're certified normal!
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That's awesome.
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin Oh, I see.
Well, I guess I wished I had a psychiatrist asking me questions back then.
@RMartinhoFernandes He used to be, back then.
 
Rob
@sbi haha
 
7:18 PM
@TonyTheLion The System.ASyncCallback part and how it fits with the EndRead() function
 
@sbi Yeah, I'm pretty sure mine was fairly harmless by comparison -- the worst they were going to do to me was .... expedite my exit from the armed services (and, especially, anywhere I might get close to "nuclear devices"). I'm pretty sure there was no real personal danger involved though.
@RMartinhoFernandes Like I said, he clearly wasn't really competent -- I was already a programmer by then... :-)
 
sbi
@JerryCoffin You were a programmer? No way you could have been normal then.
 
@sbi Precisely!
 
@TonyTheLion I'm good I found a post about a guy with the same problem as me
 
@KianMayne Ok, the AsyncCallback is a delegate that you need to provide. The first thing that delegate does is call EndRead.
 
Rob
7:23 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes I guess it's only fair that someone create a dennis-ritchie tag
 
@RMartinhoFernandes But will it keep listening to that networkstream?
 
Why? (FTR I wiped out the Bjarne tag).
 
Rob
just kidding :/
 
@KianMayne If you want to read more, you need to call BeginRead again. You can call it from the callback if you want.
 
sbi
Yesterday I posted about the Pirate Party, more or less coming out of nowhere, getting a sensational result (8.9%) in yesterday's Berlin elections. They had only 15 candidates - and won exactly 15 seats. Today, watching a news commentary about them, I see an ex-boss of mine being one of those 15! I had to rewind several times until I was convinced, but it fits him. He is a member of the CCC.
So one of my ex-bosses will now be a member of the Berlin parliament. I'm impressed.
 
7:25 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Thanks (: I thought so but it seemed a bit crazy calling it from the same thing - the example on MSDN didn't exactly help either
 
For the Pirate Party.
 
sbi
@Dead, you still alive!
I was wondering the other day!
 
@sbi That. Is so cool!
 
hi
 
Hey
 
7:26 PM
hai
you haven't been here much lately
 
computer troubles
 
oh noes
 
the most recent ATi drivers seem to have decided that they will cause my computer to crash every time it boots up
 
fixed now?
that's very annoying
 
yes, very
this is my fifth install of Windows in as many days
@sbi I might have to check with a doctor, but I'm pretty sure I fit the medical definition
anyway, anyway, let's discuss Metro!
 
7:28 PM
What is the medical definition of being alive?
 
holy christ, it sucks tremendously
 
@RMartinhoFernandes What do I put in the networkStream.EndRead() function - as the ASync result
 
that really sucks
oh darn
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes You can go to the doctor and have him check for it?
 
@DeadMG I was a big fan; until I installed it
 
7:29 PM
well
 
Rob
@DeadMG I haven't tried it yet but it sounds very exciting
 
apart from the fact that it's incredibly annoying to use
 
I haven't tried it yet, and I probably won't until SP1 appears
hahah
 
Rob
Really, why?
 
@DeadMG Tried rearranging tiles? -_____-
 
7:29 PM
I'm running a desktop, not a tablet, but Windows appears to practically orgasm over it and pops it up at any excuse
want to go into Control Panel? Tough- gonna have to go to Metro
 
@RMartinhoFernandes There's more than one, hence things like 'brain dead'.
 
@KianMayne The one you get as a parameter in the callback.
 
I wouldn't mind so much if it didn't boot into Metro, and if they hadn't utterly gimped the Start bar
 
ugh, damn, I hope they change that for desktop
 
sbi
@DeadMG The one in Paris or the one in Moscow?
 
7:30 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Thank you
 
@sbi Windows 8's Metro
 
@sbi lulz
 
and then I looked at the Metro APIs
 
@sbi There are more metros out there, you know?
 
oh holy christ, they're terrible
 
7:30 PM
@DeadMG I've resorted to opening up run with the old Windows Key - R and typing Control Panel
 
I don't just mean, kinda bad, I mean, terrible
it's really just "Here's WPF but we ported it to native code!"
 
Yes, @DeadMG is alive and ranting. Everything is back to normal :)
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they even have an Object and a native TypeKind thing
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Uh oh, now I'm in trouble. Let me guess, Lisbon has one, too?
 
like who the hell thought of that?
 
7:31 PM
Stop typing people, I'm trying to star your messages
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and then we won't even talk about those C++ extensions they did for metro, yuk
 
and the API documentation is slim at best, and the interfaces are so incredibly terrible, they give absolutely no meaningful indication of how to use them
for example, I was looking at this class that does interop between D3D and XAML
the doc says "Renders a XAML visual tree to a D3D surface" or something directly equivalent
but there's physically no way to give it a surface
 
so how the hell am I supposed to get it to render to my surface?
 
sbi
Has the Microsoft campus grown so tremendously that they now need a metro to get around?
 
7:32 PM
Do the rain dance.
 
lol @sbi
 
Rob
@sbi, nice.
 
oh, and the UI API
 
they have buses to get around their campus in Redmond, Washington
 
apparently, it's too much to just ask for something simple like, int main() { Window w; }
 
sbi
7:33 PM
@Rob Look again. Look at that face. Really, what is "nice" about my avatar?
 
yea well, it's COM based iniit
 
@DeadMG Are you finding that Visual Studio isn't rendering the XAML in the designer when you try to draw an interface?
 
if you don't go through the designer, you have to make a factory, I shit you not, and pass this factory to a method so that you can make an object which is then Initialize()'d, as if the constructor wasn't enough
 
@sbi absolutely nothing, it's fucking ugly :P
 
Rob
@sbi, I meant the tweet, not the avatar.
 
7:34 PM
@TonyTheLion Yes, it's COM in all its horror.
 
and then it deigns to call your Run() method
 
Rob
Or am I missing some humor?
 
sbi
@awoodland Oh yeah, that feeling I know, too.
 
@KianMayne Never really used the designer, it doesn't interest me
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I had hoped they'd finally kill COM, but no, they bloody build on top of it
 
7:34 PM
and there's like, six trillion static methods and references
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion If you think my avatar is ugly, you should see the real me!
 
as if I really want a static reference to a Window of my application
 
@TonyTheLion Keep wishing.
 
sbi
Oh, you did. I forgot.
 
and as of right now, I have no idea how to make a window and make some controls on top of it
 
7:35 PM
@DeadMG wow, six trillion, that's a lot, I mean there's only about a trillion pages on the web, so that's six times that amount of static methods and refs.
 
sbi
@Rob Oh, that. I'm so sorry, I failed to realize that.
 
@sbi remember, I did, once
 
the UI Window class appears to be impossible for the user to actually create on it's own
 
sbi
50 secs ago, by sbi
Oh, you did. I forgot.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes yea, my wish is now dead, and COM is alive?!!! wait.. wut?
@sbi lol
 
7:36 PM
actually, I really don't mind COM- the WinRT stuff is fine as a technology
it's just got something incredibly hideous built on it
 
@TonyTheLion Real trillions or stupid trillions that are really billions?
 
@DeadMG yea the shitty syntax, and the fact it reminds me of C++/CLI, ugh
 
I mean, am I the only person who thinks that Microsoft can't design an object or interface for shit
 
@RMartinhoFernandes donno
 
@TonyTheLion You don't have to have the syntax. You can turn it off and use ComPtr instead.
 
Rob
7:37 PM
@sbi lol, I'm so sorry I didn't recognize the humor at first. ;)
 
@DeadMG no, you're not the only one
@DeadMG yea, I'd do that, instead of use their shite
@Rob took me a while to get used to his sense of humour :)
in fact, I still fail to get it sometimes
:(
 
you know what the real tragedy is?
 
I left all my source code in a storage unit two hundred miles away :(
 
oh why did you do that?
 
7:39 PM
I just wish they wouldn't make designing an interface so hard - the main reasons I have used designers is because I get a feel for what it looks like straight away (now buggy and doesn't work), and so it was faster than HAND WRITING the designing code.
 
sbi
@Dead is reappearing after a week of absence (caused by "computer trouble" that, supposedly, had nothing to do with him trying out a beta version of a new OS), and with a single message (the common "this is bloody fucking shit") he gets the whole room up and bashing MS. Business as usual with that guy, indeed.
 
@sbi pretty accurate there :)
 
@sbi Hey, I installed Win8 first, but kept having trouble with three reinstallations of Win7
 
sbi
@Rob Guess what, I wouldn't be the Grumpy Old Ape if you could tell I'm joking at first try.
 
it completely had nothing to do with the beta version of Windows 8
 
7:41 PM
lol
 
Right.
Speaking of which, I guess I screwed something up sometime, somewhere.
 
@DeadMG there's something called VMWare, it saves one the hassle of messing up your PC when you try out a new OS
 
this is my off PC anyway
so I don't give a shizzle
 
wtf is an "off PC" ?
 
I actually only have one, measly, 1600x1050 screen, instead of my usual dual 1080p screens
 
7:42 PM
@TonyTheLion A PC that is not turned on.
 
it's a PC I keep at my parent's house
my old PC
 
lol
oh I see
 
so that when I come home on the train, I don't go nuts with boredom in half an hour
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes It was one of the two mechanics in the first Alien movie who always said "Right" to anything his partner said. Then S.W. says "Whatever he says, you always say 'Right!'", to which he replies "Right."
 
hahah
 
7:43 PM
What's up?
 
the sky
 
Don't you ever get tired of saying that?
 
Microsoft blows donkey balls
also, Apple blows donkey balls
what do you mean, I can't copy music off my iPhone
 
@ManofOneWay no I don't, like I never get tired of talking about Sex
lol
 
sbi
@ManofOneWay Really, did you have to do that? Now we all try desperately to find a witty comment that's not as old as the ones we've been making all the time.
 
7:44 PM
@DeadMG so can you tell us something that is good?
 
the fuck do I pay for a mobile music playing device for if not to copy music on and off?
 
@TonyTheLion You're a nasty boy
 
@TonyTheLion Not really my style :P
 
@DeadMG You buy a music playing device to play music :P
 
7:45 PM
I'm only nasty on here, IRL I'm really a bit of a wuss
lol
 
so, in retrospect, I should totally have uploaded all my projects in all their latest versions to source control
 
yea, you should
 
I had a new idea for a game I wanted to do
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes And what response are you trying to trigger with that?
 
7:45 PM
and all my DirectX stuff is light-years away
and all those DX tutorial e-books I pirated are also two hundred miles away
 
sbi
@DeadMG As we've always been telling you, yeah.
 
@sbi Are you still angry at Johannes?
 
@DeadMG that sucks...
 
yeah
you want to know what else sucks? My estate agent
 
sbi
@ManofOneWay Not as long as he isn't here.
 
7:46 PM
"Oh don't worry, we'll call you on Monday"
 
hahah
ffs
 
that is, previous Monday
not this Monday
 
I'm at home because they're so fucking slow and I'm between accomodation
 
@sbi Well, now that you linked that to a movie I like, I can't help but use that expression even more often :(
 
7:47 PM
gonna cost me a fuckin packet for the train ticket, storage and delivery
I should write them an invoice
 
yes DO IT!
 
also, it turns out that I totally failed with money last year and spent like, £500 more than I had coming in
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes You know, he was one of the first ones to die a horrible death in that movie.
 
even though at both Christmas and Easter I tallied up and decided I still had loads of money
I think that living at university over the summer without student loan was akiller
 
@DeadMG I do that all the time, so you're not alone therein
 
7:48 PM
@sbi Have you two been fighting before or what?
 
still
next year, I have really cheap rent ... again ... and I decided to be much more rigorous with how much money I'm spending
 
@ManofOneWay Gosh, no, these are just friendly jabs.
 
whereas this year
 
growl
 
sbi
7:49 PM
@DeadMG I'm surprised. I mean, given your statement above I'd have thought you're not the spending type.
 
I just said "Oh, I've got a dickload of money, therefore it'll be fine."
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Run for the trees the lion growls!
 
@sbi Hey, I didn't have to pay for any of the aforementioned screens this year, except one
and it's a pretty cheap screen too, only like £110
 
and even then, I only bought it because my previous second screen failed
 
sbi
7:50 PM
@DeadMG I didn't imply you had. I was only deducting from the facts the kind of person you are regarding money.
 
well
to be honest, I'm not entirely sure what happened
but compared to how incredibly far over what I expected my expenditure to be, a £110 screen isn't really that much
for example, £460 on the train home
and I reckon that I lost nearly £200 on the bills, and I also spent a very considerable sum on my Internet connection
 
@sbi hard to runaway from oneself you know
 
living with one flatmate is fine for when you don't want to be woken up at night or when someone didn't do their washing up
but it's somewhat less fine when it comes to paying for the internet
 
@DeadMG Isn't there a special fare aimed at students?
 
7:55 PM
yeah
that's after the 30% off I get for being a student
 
omg, that's expensive
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion But he didn't say any absolute number?
 
For 460GBP you can probably circle a good part of the Continent more than once on rail!
 
4 mins ago, by DeadMG
for example, £460 on the train home
 
That's like, what, 540€ in absolute numbers?
 
7:57 PM
that's a number to me
 
@RMartinhoFernandes More than that, I think
 
sbi
@TonyTheLion Ah, I thought you were referring to the Internet costs. (Can't you properly reference?)
 
the trouble is that my university is a long way - 200 miles- directly
 
And that is ~320 km in absolute numbers.
 
the English rail system is ridiculously expensive if you ask me
 
7:58 PM
and I have to go through London, which is a big increase in distance, probably up to 300-350 miles
 
@TonyTheLion couldn't agree more
 
@sbi lazy
 
yeah
 
@DeadMG That's an increase of more than 50%! That's a big detour.
 
@sbi You guys, being similar to women, always have some beef with each other.
 
7:59 PM
Yes, I like women.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, London is an hour south and three hours west from university to home
 
sbi
@RMartinhoFernandes Better than beef?
 
/me having a chocolate donut :)
 

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