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8:00 PM
so it makes a nasty right-angle triangle
 
@sbi I don't think I can compare, since the two have different purposes.
 
@DeadMG would driving be cheaper?
 
Ugh, driving.
 
@TonyTheLion Unlikely, but I don't have a licence or car, so the point is moot
 
8:02 PM
Good ole European public transportation caught up with the times.
 
Here driving is consistently vastly more expensive than mass transit.
 
Eventually someone wants money
 
Sadly, the vast majority of the population doesn't realize it.
 
And the best time to get it, is when people give up the alternative.
 
well, from my memory, the English train system is vastly more expensive and less reliable than it's European counter-parts
 
8:03 PM
well, Belgian rail system is fairly cheap, but not very reliable either
 
@TonyTheLion I agree - transport prices are ridiculous
 
@DeadMG All I know about British rail is "not the right kind of snow".
 
lol
 
oh, snow takes out all public transport in a second
esp in Britain
it's actually silly
and very annoying
 
Snow is not silly. Snow is cool.
 
8:06 PM
lulz, I didn't say that
 
1. One of the courses I'm currently reading is Advanced computer architecture, a course I know that you will be lecturing in later on.
2. One of the courses I'm currently reading is Advanced computer architecture, a course I know that you will come lecture in later on.
which one is proper english?
or best?
 
I'd use the first
but I'm not expert on grammar
 
> At first I thought that RAII was a great idea, but now, I'm not so sure.
 
@ManofOneWay I'd use the former rather than the latter too.
 
I'm not sure I wanna read the rest of that question.
 
8:07 PM
great, thanks
 
lol @RMartinhoFernandes
 
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Q: Object oriented programming concepts and resource management

Steven LuSo I have a FileReader class, it looks like this: #define DISALLOW_COPY(type) \ type(const type&); \ void operator=(const type&) class FileReader { FILE *file; DISALLOW_COPY(FileReader); protected: unsigned char *data; long size; public: FileReader(const ...

 
eh
Snow isn't that bad in the UK
the thing is, everyone criticises how our economy goes to shit when snow happens
but the simple fact is that the event isn't common enough
if our government spent a shitload of money on preparing for snow, it simply wouldn't be justified in the average case
 
I guess, yea
 
if we got snow every winter, it'd be worth it, but since we rarely get significant snow, it's just not worth the money
 
8:09 PM
and it's not like the media don't exaggerate things just a tiny bit when something shuts because of snow
 
And sometimes the snow isn't the right kind of snow.
 
yeah
man
I'm nearly all ranted out
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lol
FWIW, there really is more than one kind of snow.
 
@DeadMG I think it might start happening every year - not down here in the south west though. Last year we got like a day of 1-3 inches when everywhere else had stuff up to their shins
 
8:12 PM
lulz, then he'll disappear again, until the inner rants build up enough to come back here and let it all out
 
nah
my computer shall continue to function correctly now that the ATi drivers are gone
 
> Shockingly, Thailand's government has approved her technique.
Ok, I think I read enough.
 
hello folks
 
I don't understand why feed apps can't just show the content of a post without opening your default web browser
 
8:18 PM
Because that would require embedding a web browser.
And that will invariably suck.
 
tremendously
 
So apparently for 540EUR you can do Barcelona - Warsaw on one day's notice, if under 25. (Hard to tell, website sucks.)
 
Wow (but I think/hope the numbers @DeadMG gave were for the sum of all the trips he made last year, not just one).
 
That'd make sense.
Well hopefully he traveled more in total than the distance from Barcelona to Warsaw!
 
8:25 PM
I'm gonna see if I can not get conned by Virgin Media
 
The only winning move is not to play.
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Virgin
 
nice fast internet
holy fucking shit, they spam you like no tomorrow
but holy fucking shit, they spam you like no tomorrow
letters, e-mails, telephone calls, the works
and they sell on your personal details even if you ask them not to
 
I don't think I'd go with VM, even if it was available in my area
 
8:29 PM
@DeadMG Who doesn't?
 
and it's a hassle because if you go into a retail shop and get internet, then apparently they can't talk to the phone people, so it's a bitch trying to actually get it
 
It's the fastest ISP in the UK, and Internet is all I care about
 
(If you want to sign up with them do it online, through something like quidco)
 
VM isn't good at internet, they're good at marketing
 
8:31 PM
I found the Virgin internet to be very good
 
(and tying you in with anti-competitive minimum contract lengths)
 
they were actually exactly on the quoted speed practically down to the byte most of the time
 
@DeadMG Same, my speed is obviously limited as I consistently get 10.01mb/s
 
that's not some ethernet port accidentally running at 10BASE-T speeds is it?
 
8:33 PM
But we're getting all 3 packages but I think we don't need TV and phone
@awoodland Not that I'm aware of; I mean when I transfer data from an Ethernet connected computer to a wireless one, it will easily exceed 10mb - it's just internet
 
which cable modem have you got?
the new superhub?
 
@awoodland Nope - we got this one just over a year ago
 
with a built-in WiFi AP, or your own? (that was the link I would try and look at the port speeds on if it's separate wifi and cable modem boxes)
might just be poor wifi performance though
 
@awoodland No, we're only meant to get 10mb/s internet download, and we get 10.01, and we can transfer files via the ethernet cable and router much faster, so there's no problem
Hold on, can you not just get on package?! Btw @awoodland : shop.virginmedia.com/content/dam/allyours/designs/100Mb/img/… < That's the router we have
 
I got internets and phone
but never used the phone
my flatmate wanted it and then never used it also
 
8:41 PM
what? You don't call people or people don't call you?
 
landline is obsolete tech
we have one for nothing other than ADSL
 
I don't call people and I wish people didn't call me.
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heh
 
I'm fairly sure phones only exist so people can say "you never call"
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Fucking chat bot trying to give me support
 
8:42 PM
lol
I couldn't live without my phone
 
I dislike phones and prefer e-mail
it's less personal that way
 
@TonyTheLion - I have a mobile but I don't use it to call anyone other than the utility companies when they screw up (again)
 
When people call me, there's always something they want to bother me with.
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Aha I've found the just broadband and phone section
 
@RMartinhoFernandes sorry, but that way of thinking annoys me, people are mostly interesting, and it's nice to talk to them
 
8:44 PM
yes
I wouldn't mind talking to you
 
I think, maybe this most probably correct answer wasn't selected and wasn't given any votes because I used ESP?
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Q: create multi-thread

SamuelI use Multi-thread method in vs2008 ,use c++ language. when I use _beginthreadex function, I got the follow error: error C2664: '_beginthreadex' : cannot convert parameter 3 from 'unsigned int (__stdcall *)(void *)' to 'unsigned int (__stdcall *)(void *)' ps: I use the template on the threadF...

 
@TonyTheLion I agree. But people don't call me on the phone to talk.
 
a lot of other people who want to call me, however, I mostly just find incredibly annoying
 
@RMartinhoFernandes oh I see.
@DeadMG lol, that's what you're doing :P
 
true true
but I wouldn't mind that much if you phoned me
 
8:47 PM
unless you mean on the phone... haha
 
@AlfPSteinbach Maybe the OP just didn't see it yet?
 
@DeadMG well it was like 17 hours ago?
 
@DeadMG heh, be funny to phone... :P
 
probably did see it and ran, taking their two upvotes with them
 
@AlfPSteinbach OP hasn't been seen since 17 hours ago
@TonyTheLion if you have my number, I'm scared
 
8:49 PM
@DeadMG how would I have your number? I don't have it
 
that's the point
 
@TonyTheLion - I like the infinite recursion in that denial
 
lol
the place I went for an interview today is quite cool
their office was full of Lego, of all things :O)
 
I thought those companies went bust in 2000?
 
and had Xbox, Playstation and loads of games :)
 
8:52 PM
-5
Q: How to display c++ output message in Win 7 R

user741819I have tested "Rprintf" in c++ called by R on a Win visa pc and it seems working, but the same code prints nothing on my Win7 machine, is the OS causing the problem? How could I overcome this problem? Thank you very much for your help.

 
@awoodland its cause it's an infinite denial
 
I voted to reopen that question because I don't have the foggiest idea what the OP is talking about.
I think those who closed it, irrationally closed it for the same reason.
 
@Alf - isn't it R as in the stats language?
 
hm, never heard of?
 
8:53 PM
Hello R
 
Came from their previous question: stackoverflow.com/questions/7361934/…
R is what the computational biologists use
I like the ghostbusters joke on the comments on that question
You can see the progression of that user from their questions, which are all trying to solve one problem it seems
 
@JohannesSchaublitb hey, you are here today!
 
"(...) the greatest computer science alive. (...)"
 
English fail
ugh, foot pain
 
9:01 PM
Didn't get the joke
 
'Loosing ten points' is nonsensical.
 
"Hey, this thing is too tight!" "Loose it somewhat!" "How much?" "Loose it by nine, no, ten points."
 
lose [luz] vs loose [lu:s], using approximate IPA.
 
I recently learned that IPA has symbols for clicks.
 
Oh look, another 'tutorial' with seemingly no knowledge of good conventions or ACTUAL CODE THAT WORKS
An example I found almost certainly breaks within the first second of running it
Or drains CPU cycles
 
9:08 PM
Oh, I see. Grammar jokes FTW.
 
@StackedCrooked iz it music from games?
 
@StackedCrooked Did you actually watch .Hack SIGN ?
 
@AlfPSteinbach from anime. @kbokthe yep
 
@StackedCrooked How did you find it ?
 
damn
 
9:25 PM
I kind of liked it.
 
Nawaz is just petulant sometimes
more my kind of music
 
@kbokthe I like .hack//sign mostly for the music. Btw, all music I posted is from different anime, but with music by the same composer.
 
@StackedCrooked The music and artwork is awesome but I find it's missing some rythm.
I mean they just talk all the time in pretty landscapes.
 
@kbokthe yeah it's a common criticism.
I agree, it dragged a bit. And the ending didn't explain much.
@DeadMG listening to it. Don't dislike it.
 
there's a few more by that artist you can find by looking around
oh holy tits, my home internet is slow as hell
40kbs instead of 2400kbs makes DeadMG cry :(
 
9:33 PM
40kbps is your network link speed?
That's barbaric!
(Or do you mean you download stuff at 40 KB/s?)
 
download speed
it's still barbaric
 
agreed
 
Oops my list was missing Noir: Colosseum
 
here's a question
how the hell do you close Metro apps?
ok, alt-F4 seems to work
 
I haven't tried Windows 8 yet.
 
9:38 PM
I have no idea what the statistics for Internet bandwidth are these days (for Europe and the world), where do I find that?
 
I did a google search for "bandwidth around teh world" and the second hit seems likely: nikhilnulkar.posterous.com/…
 
I read that today Romania is doing better than US in terms of bandwidth.
 
@MooingDuck Thanks for the link.
That's a lot of variation.
 
Cool my Chrome app now has exactly 666 users.
 
@MooingDuck huh, Norway isn't even on that list
 
9:42 PM
hi all
 
oh, I figured out how to make the number over my avatar go away.
 
is there a C chatroom? I couldn't find it
 
i tested now with Speedtest.net, and it says 13.7 Mbps download speed and 1.09 Mbps upload speed.
 
@MooingDuck What do you mean?
@AlfPSteinbach You're above average, then.
 
I'm going to ask you, what you think about upcomming C++ standard?
 
9:44 PM
@mugetsu I'm afraid there's not.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes as i recall, slightly above average for Oslo.
 
@mugetsu But I bet people here could answer C questions.
 
@mani3xis What upcoming standard are you talking about?
 
@mani3xis It's cool.
 
@kbokthe mostly yes
 
9:45 PM
@kbokthe cool
 
And I think it's not so cool, and I don't know why.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes when people post with @MooingDuck, a green circle with a number appears on my avatar to the left of the typing text box. If I click the number, it goes to the post where I was mentioned. I din't realize it was clickable.
 
lol
There's an upcoming C++ standard?
Where?
 
Isn't there always?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes He's talking about the new C++03.
 
9:46 PM
C++18?
 
9.52 Mbit/s download, 13.48 Mbit/s upload for me
 
@kbokthe Actually C++0x (C++11)
 
Oh.
 
@mani3xis It's not upcoming anymore :)
 
@R. Martino I'm sorry - I'm a little bit out-dated
 
9:48 PM
depends on how you define "upcoming". Visual Studio 11 won't have variadic templates. So, MSVC has to wait.... years, even for important features. That's kinda like upcoming
 
I thing I dont like it, because iI'm used to C99 and "old" C++.
 
@mani3xis It was published on September 1st, so that's not even three weeks out of date :) Although it was accepted some time earlier.
 
@MooingDuck That's upcoming compiler features!
 
@LucDanton I know that GCC supports it for a long time...
 
@mani3xis You can still code in old-school C++ using a C++11 compiler. I don't see the problem here.
 
9:49 PM
@mani3xis I can't relate to that. I was born straight into C++11.
 
@mani3xis Well, some features.
 
And bugs too.
 
And what you thing about D programming language. A lot of people around me thinks that C++ is dying. Whats your opinion? I thing C and C++ is perfect for game developers. Many tools was created and no body wants to spend their money for porting them to D.
 
@mani3xis Never saw D used anywhere.
 
@mani3xis I think C++ staggered greatly when people switched to Java/C#, but C++ won't die for a long time yet. I've heard nothing of a rise of D though.
 
9:53 PM
From what I've seen many game developers avoid putting too much C++ in their C++ code. So I don't think C++ is perfect for them.
Also, freaking creeper is waiting for me at my doorstep. I'm screwed.
 
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Q: D Programming Language in the real world?

wvdschelIs anyone out there using D for real world applications? If so, what are you using it for? I can't seem to find anything big on the web written in D. Despite the lack of known big users, D seems like a very promissing language to me, and according to TIOBE, it's fairly popular.

 
People think that D is just a "better C++".
 
@RMartinhoFernandes That's why I always dig a emergency topsecret entrance.
 
@kbokthe That's what I'll have to do. Dig an emergency topsecret entrance, in an emergency.
 
Roofs are nice to take potshots at stuff, yeah.
 
9:55 PM
That's funny, I always thought of D as a "lesser C++".
 
@RMartinhoFernandes dig down to the end, log off, wait 60 seconds, log in?
 
@LucDanton My doorstep is actually a trapdoor on a very very small island.
 
langpop.com still shows that C++ is alive and kicking.
 
If the creeper blows, the island will likely be no more.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes We disabled the creepers on our servers. They're OP :)
 
9:57 PM
I never thought that D was particularly interesting
 
@DeadMG Me too
 
the thing is
 
@kbokthe did you know creepers can be supercharged by lightning?minecraftwiki.net/wiki/Creeper
 
D takes some stuff that's wrong with C++, and it puts fixes in to the language for those specific cases
but it doesn't address the root causes of the problems in the first case
if C++ is a pig, D is a significantly smellier, more obese pig with a tiny bit of lipstick
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since it introduces a shitton of it's own problems
 
@kbokthe Sounds like missing on a lot of fun.
 
9:58 PM
There is a great book, about implementing things to make all D features into C++ - de facto C++ is better (that what I think)
 
Saying creepers are overpowered sounds like whining to me :)
 
@RMartinhoFernandes not to me :(
 
But then, I think I enjoy losing a bit too much.
Too much Dwarf Fortress does that to you, I guess.
 
lol
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Yeah, like I said: missing on a lot of fun!
Neat, new GCC snapshot.
 
10:03 PM
@LucDanton Well, we play minecraft to build and see each other's crafts, and we're not really interested in the survival aspect of the game.
 
That's a fair point.
 
the problem I had with Minecraft
 
@kbokthe But not to the point of playing creative mode? What do you need the other mobs for?
 
@kbokthe it's interesting to see how people protect those crafts though. One of my friends built his stuff inside a giant flaming lava wall
 
was that it took so fucking long to do anything, by the time you had a good idea and implemented about 5% of it, it was six hours later
if you want to make stuff in 3D, then get a modelling program- that's what they're for
 
10:05 PM
If it doesn't take effort, it's not as fulfilling an experience.
 
effort is irrelevant
what matters is the creative expression
 
@LucDanton Because they drop some material that's impossible to find otherwise.
 
@kbokthe Creepers drop gunpowder!
 
@RMartinhoFernandes That's why sometimes we have to switch them on to get some :)
 
@kbokthe Mmmh no mods to enable creative mode for multiplayer? I haven't looked beyond SMP.
 
10:07 PM
http://geekandpoke.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341d3df553ef015432bf9167970c-pi
OpenSource 2.0
 
@LucDanton We prefer playing plain vanilla. Well I'm not the server admin :)
 
I haven't tried multiplayer yet. What do you do in multiplayer? Fight each other?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes You really can do whatever you want.
 
Right.
But what do people do?
 
I think we are like 6 or 7 on the server, so we built a small medieval city. One house each.
 
10:08 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes build big stuff and show off, and help each other
 
the only thing worth building is a DOOM FORTRESS
from which to oppress and murder thine enemies
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Multiplayer is survival mode (hence 'SMP'), so it's like survival in solo I assume except there's more shouting and running about.
 
@LucDanton Na, it's more the giant fortress thing. Mine is completely undersea, one friend's is wrapped in lava, one has a giant pillar from bedrock to "ceiling", one has a Warcraft-type "world tree"
 
@LucDanton to the rescue:
 
and automated minecarts between them through the nether
 
10:12 PM
Does this compile for you: char * p = new char[110] {};
 
Snapshot has been installed, let me check what happens.
It appears it does.
 
Good man :-) GCC 4.6.1 does not like it.
Thanks!
 
anyway
I have nothing new to rant about so off I am
 
Evening.
I have a bit of code that I need to find if someone got it online, what is the best way to search for that?
 
Mmh, seems like that snapshot has a broken std::unordered_set.
 
10:18 PM
@LucDanton I've run into several brace-related bugs in 4.6.1 of late. I really want a new version, but hopefully one that's better. Btw, the current bug has already been accepted :-)
Why not file the unordered set as a regression bug?
 
Because I have no idea what's going on :(
> /usr/lib/gcc-snapshot/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.7.0/../../../../include/c++/4.7.0/bits/hashtable.h:677:33: error: declaration of 'std::_Hashtable<_Key, _Value, _Allocator, _ExtractKey, _Equal, _H1, _H2, _Hash, _RehashPolicy, __cache_hash_code, __constant_iterators, __unique_keys>::_Hashtable(std::_Hashtable<_Key, _Value, _Allocator, _ExtractKey, _Equal, _H1, _H2, _Hash, _RehashPolicy, __cache_hash_code, __constant_iterators, __unique_keys>&&)' has a different exception specifier
 
@ÓlafurWaage google for the comments?
 
> using noexcept in most of the library;
@ÓlafurWaage Google Code Search?
 
@LucDanton Ahh, our most beloved typical C++ error: std::__detail::hash :-)
 
I've never had complaints from std::hash. Not that I use it a lot.
 
10:22 PM
@LucDanton Guess they didn't test that noexcept thing very well.
 
Seems like a library bug.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes it was frantic decision, to move forward
 
@RMartinhoFernandes All it took was an #include apparently.
 
for some reason chat keeps giving me an error. I can stay online for probably a few mins and then it says there was a problem connecting to the server and tells me to refresh. nothing is wrong with my connection however, I'm constantly streaming audio, and it hasn't cut off
 
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Q: NaN ascii i/o with Visual C++

MouradI want to read and write NaN values from/into text files using iostream and Visual C++. When writing a NaN value, i get 1.#QNAN. But, reading it back outputs 1.0 . float nan = std::numeric_limits<float>::quiet_NaN (); std::ofstream os("output.txt"); os << nan ; os.close(); The out...

 
10:24 PM
Well, it's an orphaned header that provides dubious functionality. I'm tempted to give it the axe.
 
Interesting question: How to do formatted I/O with NaN?
@LucDanton How come it's included?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I've been trying to
Not working, comes up with either bad query or no results
 
@KerrekSB Since it's my pet library, I may have used it at some point in another project. I'm double checking I'm not using it anywhere.
 
for example this:
unsigned int sieve[] = {~3, ~0, ~0, ~0};
 
@ÓlafurWaage I think it takes regexes for the search.
You may need some escaping.
 
10:25 PM
@LucDanton Are you talking about <unordered_set>, or about some other, internal header?
 
@KerrekSB Yeah, sorry. <unordered_set> seems broken and I only include it in one orphaned header of mine.
 
@LucDanton Oh. That's not good. It's an important container.
 
Well, snapshots come and go.
Running 18 test cases...

*** No errors detected
Hurray!
 
@LucDanton ... did you just update the snapshot?
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Oh, I've been meaning to ask you for some time now, but what merge tool do you use with mercurial?
@KerrekSB Oh not at all! I'm just taking that broken <unordered_set> into perspective.
 
10:34 PM
TortoiseMerge on Windows, and KDiff3 on Linux.
 
@LucDanton Oh. Well, good job for having regression tests in your project :-)
Any input on that NaN question anyone? It's sort of interesting.
 
I also have a 'forward test' that checks against GCC quirks to notice when one of those is fixed. Although at least one of them is a feature, as I've learned recently.
 
@KerrekSB not other than using a magic value instead. :(
 
Hah, apparently I tricked someone into thinking that *[] {} is a special kind of expression.
 
10:43 PM
auto pointer = *[] { return 42; }; // totally legit yo
I admit =*[](){ is an interesting sequence of tokens.
As usual, one can also sprinkle a flurry of +, & and * inside it, too.
 
ASC++II artists will enjoy this new standard.
 
Well, that palindromic lambda was fun to figure out back then.
 
_more_ ASCII art code?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Obfuscated_C_Code_Contest#Examples
 
Is there a key to activate/deactivate the Minecraft HUD? I think I hit it accidentally.
 
Try F1 through F5
 
10:48 PM
Thanks. F1 did that.
 
Apparently it's F1 to remove the HUD, F2 to take a nice screenshot.
 
I hit F2 all the time, which causes the computer to freeze for a sec :(
 
@LucDanton evil
 
@MooingDuck Yeah, I know those. My favourite is not on wikipedia, though. It's a maze solver that takes input as space->empty, anything else->wall, and its source code is itself a maze that can be used as input.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes Please say it was coded in whitespace :D
 
10:52 PM
No, C. The IOCCC does not accept any other language.
 
@LucDanton Which one is that?
 
Apparently templated constructors participating in overload resolution for a move/copy is a feature of C++11.
 
@RMartinhoFernandes I had a roomie submit 17 pages of whitespace code to a compitition. They weren't happy.
 
@MooingDuck NaN and Inf are required legal value for floating points, so I'd be surprised if it weren't possible to format and deformat those
@LucDanton Autopointer is deprecated!
 
@KerrekSB I trust autoptr though, I know how it works :(
 
10:54 PM
@RMartinhoFernandes Are you interested in writing a Minecraft server?
 
So given template<typename T> struct wrapper { template<typename U> wrapper(U&& u): data(std::forward<U>(u)) {} T data; };, then wrapper<T> w; auto x = w; will likely fail.
 
@MooingDuck Nobody knows how it works :-)
Seriously, have you checked out how they implement the move semantics?
 
@KerrekSB You can do that in C++?
 
I think doing it in any language would be a feat of reverse engineering.
 
This world sucks. There's not a single tree for miles, and I can't find animals to eat. I'll have to go vegan again :(
 
10:57 PM
What kind of biome does it seem to be?
 
Dunno, normal grass all over, many small islands, no trees.
 
Flat?
 
@LucDanton Pretty much. Nothing higher than six or seven blocks above sea level.
 

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