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9:00 PM
From my point of view, the problem is that it might incur in a breach of the (implicit) privacy contract. If the information was gathered through means fully outside of SO, then he can say whatever he wants --whether it is appropriate or not is another issue-- but if he got to know by accessing information (email address) that the contract states that will not be published, then there is a problem.
 
sbi
@GMan It's 11pm here. I'm not starting such a basic discussion with you now. (I need to get up at 6:30am.) Use your imagination, and if you can't imagine why this might not be in my interest, then explaining it would very likely not help either.
 
@sbi Well, I can say that Tina has never offended me, and that other user has, at least tried, to do it. I recall some comments to me and others saying that everyone was stupid (not the exact words) and unable to reason
 
All my imagination comes up with are lousy excuses misidentifying the actual problem.
 
sbi
@DavidRodríguezdribeas Yeah, and I#d be fine if they'd be suspended for that, and the reason publicized, I'd be fine with it. If users just disappear, I'm not.
 
@GMan While I do not know and won't even try to gues sbi's position, I grew in a country that had democracy, but a very young one. The dictator in Spain died two years before I was born. And there is still a feeling of secrecy around politics, most people over 45 will avoid political discussions and would feel rather uncomfortable in the presence of such a conversation
 
sbi
9:06 PM
@GMan One of the differences between you and me might be that I have been in the net for almost twenty years, and I have changed considerably since then. Once you get older, this will, presumably, happen to you, too. It now feels embarrassing to see how I defended stupid positions fifteen years ago. Yet, these are a prominent as anything else I've written sicne.
@DavidRodríguezdribeas Let me just say this: It took me a long time to open up my mouth, and I was lucky then. I had several interesting interviews with the secret police, right before they were dismantled. As most people, I'm no hero, I was very young, and the guy changed from formal to colloquial three times in the quarter of an hour - with everything attached to doing that. When that became critical, those guys were swept away. But the camps to put me and the like of me to rest were already planned.
 
While in the US a general can become Secretary of State, in Spain it is still illegal for anyone in the armed forces to even publicly exhibit their political bias. Nazism is, as far as I know, still a forbidden subject in some european countries. Freedom of speech might seem granted, but is not necessarily the case in a whole lot of places
 
@sbi: I just radically quite often, for whatever reason. (Well, iteratively; converging.) There are things a month ago I no longer defend, and things years ago I'm embarrassed to see I wrote, so I do think I know what you're talking about.
That said, I'm okay with those things there because there's no reason not to be. People change, old opinions did exist, and that's normal. Why should anyone put weight on them? My issue is not that people can find my old opinions, it's that some people judge my old opinions.
 
a grandparent of mine just died
 
sorry to hear that @DeadMG
 
@DeadMG I'm sorry for your loss :(
 
9:12 PM
@DeadMG :( I'm sorry.
 
Doc
Bummer. Lost my grandpa last year. Was really close. It was hard.
 
sbi
@DavidRodríguezdribeas Nazism is prohibited here in Germany, and it's almost the only dent in freedom of speech.
@DeadMG So sorry. I just went through that a few months ago, and according to the news this week, I probably will again this year. Get it off your chest.
 
cpx
@DeadMG Sorry to hear that.
 
honestly, she's been dying for eighteen months
I'm over it by now
 
sbi
@DeadMG I know exactly how that feels. In my case, expectations didn't do anything good, it's still a loss.
@GMan If you're Ok with that, you haven't changed enough. :) (And, presumably, you never got carried away in a discussion either.) But from what I know you're way too young anyway.
 
9:16 PM
@sbi I had a similar thing with one my grandparents that died a few years back, we knew it was gonna come, but when it came it still hit pretty hard
 
sbi
@Tony Seeing the train approaching for a long time while in the tunnel doesn't soften the impact at all.
 
@sbi yep true that
 
@sbi Oh, I've gotten more than carried away. I don't want to fall victim to the Dunning-Kruger effect (and am generally a good judge of what I know) so I don't like to judge myself publicly often, but I think you're underestimating my understanding of what you mean. I'm pretty confident I understand exactly what you're talking about.
 
sbi
@GMan Then I don't understand how you cannot understand.
 
@sbi Because you haven't provided an inference. You've established the premise, now why does that mean other people finding that stuff is bad?
 
9:22 PM
@sbi Sometimes it is hard for others to see someone else's POV, I guess it requires some skill and wisdom of age or something, not sure
 
It just requires an argument, is all, not just assertions.
 
@GMan so you want something that provides a reason why @sbi thinks the way he does... I think he's given you plenty
 
I can assert anything at any point in my life and say my experience supports it. That's good for me, but isn't a reason or argument for anyone else. Beside that, "experience" isn't a mode of argument anyway. It just means you have some evidence that was acquired that could be shared.
And we can group that evidence and argument up into one bundle and call it 'experience'. It needs to be unraveled and expressed, then you have a reason.
 
@GMan so what do you want then, cause now I'm no longer following
 
I want X is true, if X then Y, so Y.
Not "X is true, Y is true...how can you not see Y followed from X?". Well because you haven't shown it does.
 
9:27 PM
@GMan you could use your own ability to think it through and see how that could be possible
 
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I have, and have not found. This doesn't magically imply the reason is there, and that my ineptitude stops me from seeing it.
Much simpler and more reasonable would be to simply demonstrate it.
 
@GMan I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. -- Alan Greenspan
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas A nice quote, not sure how it applies here. The failure, in the quotes case, is on the communicating side, not the listener.
 
sbi
@GMan That starts with my kids. I not only cook, do the laundry and the dishes, half the time one of them is sick, I stay at home. Potential employers don't like that. And when it comes to politics I'm a left environmentalist. Many employers are the opposite, and disapprove of someone thinking otherwise. And I (as sbi, thanks god!) have just told the world that I'm quite liberal about sex - at least liberal when it comes to American standards. Should I ever apply in America, this might hurt.
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas The listener would of course be daft to assume he understands things perfectly, but the speaker would also be daft to assume he could not be at fault. Both should reiterate their definitions and move closer to mutal understanding.
@sbi So is the issue that people can find your information, or is the issue that they're judging you for it?
 
sbi
9:35 PM
@GMan Both of course, as the second inevitably follows the first.
 
@sbi Taking care of kids AND being a programmer. Seems unfathomable to me..
 
@StackedCrooked seems a tough job
 
@sbi However, in retrospect, it's only the taking care of kids I can't do.
 
@sbi "as the second inevitably follows the first." Eh, I disagree. It only might follow with some people, and may be an issue in some places.
 
They would starve.
 
9:37 PM
And the problem is that those places exist, not that your information exists.
 
sbi
@StackedCrooked When a woman gives birth, she's a mother right away. I have seen this with women even who were joiners, or programmers. Men, OTOH, will have to learn to be a father. But they can learn that, if they want to.
 
@StackedCrooked for a fellow countryman, your english is pretty darn good, I've met many where I live that speak a rather appalling version of what they choose to call "english" <rant/>
 
sbi
@GMan With "some" being about 98%, yes.
 
@Tony Well, .. thanks ;)
 
@sbi 98% is a typical non-measured percentage. Even so, my point still stands: the problem is those people, not privacy. You should be working to change how your information can be wrongly used, not that it can be found.
 
9:39 PM
@GMan I have found being judged for what people know about you on the internet happens all too easy and sometimes it's really not fun, esp when those judgements are rather nasty and biased and then happen to appear at the top of a google search.
 
So then either don't post those things, if you're really worried, or disregard the criticism if it no longer applies, or defend your position.
 
sbi
@GMan Anything that can be found can be misused. As an American, you might have a lax approach to that. As a German, I don't have that. I now regret that so much about me is found. What's even worse, when my kids search the web for my name, they will inevitably stumble into Usenet postings discussing problems I had with them growing up.
@GMan The first option, however, is not an option for things you did in your past. Disregarding is not an option either, if you need to feed a bunch of kids. Finally, how can I defend a position I no longer believe in?
 
@sbi And they'll get a chance to learn something new. What's wrong with them finding out what you thought?
 
@sbi Things that you find embarrasing about your past might not appear like that to others.
 
@sbi "...disregard the criticism if it no longer applies..." I never asked you to defend something you no longer believe.
 
sbi
9:43 PM
@GMan How would you feel if we got mad at each other and I started to post anecdotes of how dumb you were in school, which your father posted when you were 7 years old?
 
@GMan I think you need to look at that from a parents viewpoint, they only want the best for their kids (logically)
 
@sbi I mean, people are usually harsher or themselves than on others.
 
@StackedCrooked that's true too
 
sbi
@GMan Well, then you failed to give an option for dealing with that.
 
@sbi I would ask why that's relevant. So what, I was dumb in school. That's reality.
 
sbi
9:44 PM
@StackedCrooked Actually, I think you have this backwards.
 
@sbi I very clearly said disregard it, then.
 
sbi
@GMan Yeah, This exactly why nobody wants to see your report cards when you apply for a job.
 
@sbi Not when it comes to embarrasing memories. You might cringe when remembering stumbling during a public speach. While most people won't remember or care.
 
@sbi So I should lie?
 
Ah, well, I'm off to sleep.
 
sbi
9:46 PM
@GMan No. But there's a middle ground between lying and throwing the bitter truth at the world in its raw form.
 
why should you have to defend what you said or believe in, if the other person isn't understanding it after explaining ( not defending as to why or how) it in plain English, then they obviously don't understand it and perhaps they might never understand
 
sbi
Anyway, it's almost midnight here, and I do need to get up at 6:30, so I really, really, really need to go to bed.
@GMan; Let me just add (this is the moment I can say something and don't need to stay to hear you talking back at me, so I'd better use it) that I used to think exactly like you do ten years ago, but have since changed my mind.
G'night, everybody!
 
10:39 PM
Apparently I don't pay my school enough money to hire a real IT department to, oh I don't know, maintain a stable internet connection at an institute of technology.
@sbi That would have been good to bring up at the beginning, we could cut to the chase and I could ask why. That's what I've been digging at. (I could spin your statement ("Then I don't understand how you cannot understand.") on its head and ask "If you knew how I think, how can you not understand that I don't understand?") Anyway, cheers.
 
10:56 PM
@sbi: FYI: This question now has no comments. I wonder where they went...
 
11:51 PM
Why does the sizeof of this struct { enumType t; char str[42]} ; gives me 8?
If I do a sizeof(structType) it output 8
 
@Drahakar What does the struct really look like?
 
`enum CommandType {get, put};

struct Command {
CommandType _type;
char _fileName[42];
};`
 
sizeof (Command) can be no less than 43. What does your sizeof expression actually look like?
 
void client_socket::sendCmd(const Command &cmd)
{
int totalSize = sizeof(Command);
char lol[42];
std::clog << "toSend:taille : "<<totalSize<<std::endl;
std::clog << "sizeof tableau : " << sizeof(lol)<<std::endl;
toSend:taille : 8
sizeof tableau : 42
this is what i get
I am pretty confused
 
Are you sure you have the right Command? (i.e., have you used that name for multiple things?)
 

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