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12:00 AM
@JamesMcNellis This is a good theorie, I didn't do that, but I have many library included
 
Xeo
@Drahakar: sizeof(Command) outputs 48 for me, seems @James' theory might be right. If I change that array to a pointer, I get 8. Maybe your compiler silently changes the type? but that would be pretty non-standard then...
 
@Xeo well, with the lol variable I get 42
so I hope it's a "name clash"
that's it :)
nameClash, thank you guys :)
 
Xeo
12:21 AM
funny, i'd have thought the compiler would error on name-clashes. maybe @Drahakar was unlucky and didn't include both headers that declare those two structs. :)
 
Xeo
12:34 AM
I'm somehow inclined to ask this xkcd question somewhere on SE... where would probably be the best place to do so? :)
 
hahahaha FML
 
 
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2:21 AM
@Xeo Either in English Language and Usage or Parenting :)
 
 
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Xeo
3:54 AM
-_____-
Some template errors *really* could be more descriptive. Just wasted an hour trying to find the error in the following code:
template<
	template<class> T,
	class P1
>
struct X{
};
with the following error:
error C2988: unrecognizable template declaration/definition
error C2059: syntax error : '<L_TEMPLATEDECL>'
error C2143: syntax error : missing ';' before '<end Parse>'
 
template <template <class U> T, class P1>?
(I do not have any idea, just trying something)
hum nevermind, seems alright if I look at Alexandrescu's book
 
Xeo
nope, don't need that U
 
template< template<class> class T, class P1>?
 
Xeo
yep, that class keyword was missing there..
 
w00t
 
Xeo
4:01 AM
the original struct was a partial specialization, which made it a bit harder to find, because the error message was 3 times that long
 
I had to look in a book... shame on me :(
 
Xeo
main.cpp(44): error C2988: unrecognizable template declaration/definition
main.cpp(44): error C2059: syntax error : '<L_TEMPLATEDECL>'
main.cpp(41): error C2065: 'T' : undeclared identifier
main.cpp(41): error C2065: 'P1' : undeclared identifier
main.cpp(41): error C2977: 'rebind' : too many template arguments
          main.cpp(29) : see declaration of 'rebind'
main.cpp(41): error C2143: syntax error : missing ';' before '>'
main.cpp(41): error C3855: 'rebind': template parameter 'T' is incompatible with the declaration
try to find out something out of those errors :P
 
hahaha
"never gonna give you up" ?
 
Xeo
I love how xkcd seems to have a strip for every situation
 
hahahha
<3 XKCD
Back to homework cya @Xeo :)
 
sbi
4:54 AM
@JamesMcNellis One of those comments said "The overlords will take notice, decide the complaint is 'confusing,' and delete the complaint. Problem solved! :-|". Didn't I mention I brought it to their attention?
 
lol
 
Xeo
G'Morning @sbi and @DeadMG
 
not really
more like
DeadMG's sick Morning
not that sick, I maybe could have gone to bed since about 4am, but didn't
 
Where are you guys geographicaly localized (if I might ask)?
 
Xeo
*located
and germany
omg. Ideone.com has the best error for forgetting the class keyword like the example I brought: error: expected 'class' before 'T'
 
5:04 AM
@Xeo thank you, as you can see, english isn't my primary language but I do appreciate this kind of correction, helps me to get better :)
Have you seen this katamari hack for chrome (ff4 supports it too I think) : kathack.com ?
The music is awesome by the way :)
 
Xeo
5:20 AM
that katamari hack just killed my firefox :(
 
:(
@Xeo ff3 or 4?
Works like a charm with chrome (until you start to grab to many things)
 
Xeo
ff4, just randomly stopped somehow
 
that's odd..
@Xeo I've heard some people talk about major memory leak in ff4, have you ever had some trouble since you are using it?
 
Als
@Xeo, @Drahakar: Isn't FF history with Chrome rolling out?
 
@Als sorry I don't understand what do you mean?
 
Als
5:25 AM
FF = FireFox, Didn't Chrome actually capture all the FF market
 
According to this graph, it seems like it is stealing from IE's part : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
 
Als
Yeah! Hard to believe though so many people use the crappy IE still?
 
hahahha
poor webdesigner
 
Als
@Drahakar: Yeah selling point of web apps..Sites is all in their appeal
 
time to sleep, good night all :)
 
Als
5:33 AM
@jalf: Hey Jalf....What did i miss since yesterday?
The room name still stays
@Drahakar: good night
 
Xeo
5:55 AM
Any of you TMP lovers got a solution for this one?
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Q: Conditionally have structs in a class based on template parameter?

XeoConsider the following class: template<int I> class X{ template<class T1> struct Y{}; template<class T1, class T2> struct Y{}; }; Now, this example will obviously not compile, with the error that the second X<I>::Y has already been defined or that it has too ma...

Woot, I just crossed the 4k boundary
 
6:11 AM
@Xeo Seems like this can be solved using policy based class design. It would lead to the struct being in a base class.
 
Als
@Xeo: Why dynamic_cast only for downcasting?
 
Xeo
No, not only for downcasting, but it's the only thing you should use for downcasting, not static_cast or any other
maybe I expressed it wrong
 
Als
Well if i already know my my Base class pointer points to a Derived class then I can use static_cast
saves me runtime overheads
 
Xeo
not if you have multiple inheritence. the this pointer needs to be adjusted accordingly and I think static_cast doesn't do that? could be wrong though
 
Als
I am no sure of the case when multiple inheritance but single inheritance i can safely use static_cast as long as i know the pointer actually points to a derived class
 
Xeo
6:17 AM
@Als You can safely use a c-style cast and only public functions/members if you know what you do. ;) but the problem is, you never know what others might do
 
@Als don't know if you missed anything. I've been sleeping ;)
but the room topic is unchanged, so I guess it must have been relatively calm ;)
 
Xeo
Damn, repcap reached. and the day still got 18hours left until reset...
 
6:59 AM
@Xeo wow! darn that's fast
 
Xeo
@Tony Had this goodie here with a fast answer. :3
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A: How to simulate printf's %p format when using std::cout?

XeoCast to void*: unsigned char* teta = ....; std::cout << "data at " << static_cast<void*>(teta) << "\n"; iostreams generally assume you have a string with any char* pointer, but a void* pointer is just that - an address (simplified), so the iostreams can't do anything ot...

 
@Xeo nice :)
 
Xeo
wow, like 80rep "wasted" already.
which there was a "overflowed rep" page or sth
 
7:38 AM
if you have a base and derived class, and the base has a function which is overridden in derived, how do you call the base function from the derived?
 
@Tony by disabling dynamic dispatch:
void derived::foo() {
   base::foo();          // inside derived
}
derived d;
d.base::foo();          // or outside
Now, just make a SO question, paste my answer (to my name) and free rep! (Just kidding)
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas I could post a question and you could just answer it
 
No... too much trouble
And it has probably been answered a few times, but I don't feel like looking for it... I think I have even answered it some previous time...
 
 
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9:00 AM
We are the Borg.
Resistance is Voltage over Current!
 
sbi
3 hours ago, by Drahakar
@Xeo I've heard some people talk about major memory leak in ff4, have you ever had some trouble since you are using it?
@Drahakar My FF4 keeps acquiring more and more memory. But then I leave it running for days and weeks, put the laptop into suspend-to-disk at least twice a day, and usually have a three-digit number of tabs open. The slight increase during that time could just as well occur due to heap fragmentation or something like that.
2 hours ago, by Xeo
Damn, repcap reached. and the day still got 18hours left until reset...
@Xeo You can still get rep from your answers getting accepted or from bonuses.
 
ok, this is complicated, but it's my first attempt at asking about it, any input is appreciated
0
Q: Executing base function before continuing in derived function

TonyI'm trying to solve a problem where I have some classes in which I need to do some common work and then a bunch of problem specific work and when this is finished do some more processing common to all these classes. I have a Base and Derived class that both have a function called Execute. When...

 
sbi
@Tony Note that, with increasing experience, I find it more and more suspicious if overriding virtual functions have to call their base class' version. (For starters, when do I call it, before, after, or in the middle of my own code?) Read up on the non-virtual interface (NVI) pattern or template methods (nothing to do with template).
@Tony Oh, dang, I could have turned that into an answer and hit the repcap within minutes, as our younger friends do it... :)
Nothing like a "you're solving a problem you shouldn't have"-answer to reap reputation.
 
@sbi lol I'm having trouble hitting repcaps, got close yesterday, but not hit it yet :p
 
sbi
9:21 AM
@Tony Well, I turned it into an answer, but someone posted a similar answer while I was typing mine, and no he's already getting the rep for it...
 
I think quite a few people have (including me) wrote out NVI straight after reading the question.
 
Xeo
Thanks for asking that question @Tony, nice to know about that NVI and template function idioms. :)
 
@Xeo You're welcome! :)
 
Xeo
But one question.. why didn't you do the obvious and split that into two base functions?
 
@sbi There's always the inner rep whore that comes out when there is rep to be gained :)
@Xeo cuz I didn't think of it
 
Xeo
9:29 AM
dang, another upvote on that pointer printing question :(
 
the hard part is which answer to accept when there's more then one good one..
 
Xeo
just take the first one if they are equally good
 
@sbi how do you print all these long messages here in the chat? Do you just go to the limit and then start a new one?
 
Xeo
@Tony: shift-enter for new line?
 
@Xeo there seems to be a limit on the length of the message
 
Xeo
9:34 AM
then just t´start the next one :P
@sbi most likely pretypes them, copies them into the clipboard and pastes them to quickly make those long messages
or he got 6 hands, whatever is more likely
 
sbi
@Xeo That was mine, bumping you to 9, just one short of a badge.
How fitting: the #StackOverflow overlords deleted my comments in which I complained about them deleting and covering up user complaints. :-|
 
Xeo
General question.. when is base class function hiding wanted, if ever? any good examples?
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Q: Double dispatch produces 'hides virtual function' warnings, why?

lytenynI would like to implement interactions between two objects whose types are derived from a common base class. There is a default interaction and specific things may happen once objects of the same type interact. This is implemented using the following double dispatch scheme: #include <iostream...

 
sbi
@Tony I usually just type my messages. Is there any other way?
 
Xeo
if the function got a different signature, that is. with same signature it makes sense, but with a different one?
 
sbi
Which ones are you referring to, @Tony? The real long ones you can only make if you put line breaks in. But I rarely ever do that.
 
9:39 AM
@Xeo It is rarely, if ever, wanted. It is just a consequence of the way things are described.
 
sbi
Anyway, I got work to do. <afk/>
Oh, one more thing before I leave... Re @James' tweet up there: You should see the current comment there. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/83600/…
<offstage/>
 
Xeo
@sbi I bet a lifetime of 5hours max
 
@sbi yea the real long ones
 
@Xeo, describing them in another way would have needed to introduce two kinds of scope with slighlty different but mostly similar behavior. Name lookup is already complicated enough without that.
 
sbi
10:01 AM
@Xeo Wow, what do you bet? (Ok, I'll be fair: It's already 4hrs old.)
 
Xeo
@sbi I bet.. uuuh... a starring of one of your messages? :P
 
sbi
@Tony Hit SHIFT+ENTER to start a new line within the same message. Such text can be arbitrarily long, but readers might have to click a link to see all of it. Markdown doesn't work in such messages. This is all written in the... Ooops! The newbie hints are gone again. <sigh/>
@Xeo I expect to get that for free, you greedy pig! :)
 
Xeo
@sbi Ahaha :'D
 
sbi
If you are new here, please read the newbie hints. Thank you.
13
 
Xeo
There is your star :3
 
sbi
10:05 AM
@Xeo So I have already won?
 
Xeo
>– sbi 5 hours ago
on your comment
 
sbi
@Xeo Ha! It said 4 hours when I wrote the above message. (But wouldn't I have won only if it made it to 6 hours? I know we're already in the 6. hour now, but I took this to use a more colloquial definition of "5 hours max".)
 
Xeo
@sbi Shush and keep that star :P
 
sbi
I just restarted FF for the first time after I started using tab groups. It came up with all the tab groups still there, and the few tabs I already tested seem to be fine. And currently it's only using 0.4GB, which is 1GB less than before the restart, and it's blazingly fast again. Great. Thanks for showing me the light that are the tab groups, @jalf.
Anyway, back to analyzing that error now. Got 3.67GB of log files (created by three processes and dozens of threads) to sift through. Oh, the fun of parallel programming...
 
10:30 AM
@sbi sounds incredibly interesting and fun <sarcasm/>
 
sbi
@Tony Well, turns out it was even more "interesting and fun" than I thought it would...
To set the scene: I'm currently investigating a bug that only occurs in the unit tests on the test machines, and only sometimes. I can't reproduce it locally, so all I have to go by is the log files from the unit tests. Now they show me that my component is doing something inexplicable. So I need to investigate the detailed logs (and those are that big). Unfortunately, due to some error in the test itself, this particular test failed to write a detailed log.
So now I fixed that, and I'm back at square one, waiting for the bug to get triggered on the test machine, in order to examine the then even bigger log files.
Well, at least that gives me time to work on what I actually need to work on.
 
@sbi sounds pretty intense to me... those must the most annoying bugs to resolve though, cause what are the chances that it occurs again?
 
sbi
@Tony Currently about one in five tests. Not too bad, actually, but the tests run ~30mins, since we split them into to parallel tests doing half the unit tests each. (They ran 1hr before that.)
But since this seems to be timing-dependent, anytime someone checks in something, this might hide the problem. (It used to be fairly uncommon until last week, about once every fortnight. I have no idea which checkin triggered it to happen more frequently now.)
 
@sbi so I guess that multiple individuals are actually working on it, that doesn't make it easier...
 
Xeo
@sbi, is there an "overflowed rep" tab somewhere on SO proper?
 
10:45 AM
We had a bug that triggered only after 4 months of continuous usage 24/7 in one of the customers. I am still amazed at the fact that a coworker was actually able to tackle it, find the issue and correct it. It took him about one week of working through the logs and the partial core dump (the watchdog rebooted the box after about 5Gb of core dump from a 22Gb process) from an optimized build (-O3)
 
sbi
@DavidRodríguezdribeas OMG. I should be happy.
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas 22GB process... I thought my 100MB process was big, I obviously have no idea...
 
(actually he had a couple of different core dumps spaced a few days apart as the boxes had entered production)
 
sbi
@Xeo Whaddayamean?
 
@sbi what IPC mechanism does this software use? COM or something else?
 
sbi
10:47 AM
@Xeo Would the graph view on the rep page in your profile do?
@Tony It's all .NET, though it has COM interfaces. It uses different transport protocols for remote calls, depending on whether it's routed to the current machine or a remote one, but that's really not my field of expertise.
 
@sbi oh ok, but when debugging or finding bugs, you do have to deal with it?
 
Xeo
@sbi: I meant all the rep I don't get anymore because of rep cap
 
sbi
@Xeo I dunno. Why do you even want to know how much rep you did not get? Are you trying to trigger a depression?
 
@Tony, it depends on what you are doing. You cannot expect users to have 20G+ memory on their desktops, but if you build an appliance and you are willing to spend the bucks for performance... 24G or ram is our higher end platform, lower end being 8G (some 4G boxes still supported out there), and the box does one main task, so most of the memory is in use by a single process.
@Xeo simple solution is don't hit the rep cap, don't worry about capped rep. Then again others might think differently :P
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas wow, intense.... I've obviously not seen much of real production systems...
 
Xeo
10:53 AM
No, it'd just be nice to know :P
 
sbi
@Tony No, this unit test runs on one machine only. There are unit tests for remoting, but when they trigger, I'm not called in to fix the stuff. :)
 
@sbi oh I see.... nice :)
so from you experienced people, is it better to focus on one area of expertise and know all about that and very little about anything else, or is it better to have knowledge in a few different area's to where you can work with them, but aren't necessarily an expert in it?
I'll tell you why I'm asking, currently I'm a software developer that has some experience in C++ and some in .NET. I will be doing more of both in the future, but IT Security is also in my interest and I do spend time learning about that, though now I'm torn as to whether to stick with development for ever or go and do IT security in a few years...
 
sbi
@Tony There's different ways, and very few who don't work for anybody. In general, it's good to know more than one field, but if C++ is in the mix, this rule distorts somewhat, since you need to spend years learning until you master C++.
BTW, Jeff's awake, and the comment is still out there. Anyway, while he might check on this recent one before he goes to bed or first thing in the morning, it seems we need to bring these to their attention first, in order to get stuff deleted. So this turns into a spy hide-and-seek game and we could take advantage about knowing these rules. :^)
Now, if we can find some quite revolutionary comment that's been out there for a long time and which we can bring to their attention, we can test this theory. :)
 
@sbi yea C++ is a tough cookie...
@sbi you're really out to take them to the edge aren't you?
 
11:10 AM
@Tony Broad and deep knowledgeable are needed. You may specialize in broad knowledge if you want.
 
<rant> I still think that deleting posts or comments because they criticize your product or you as the owner or creator of this product is a bit of a "I don't want to know, and I don't care" attitude towards your customers. I thought your customers at the end of the day were the one's that need to use the product, so if they don't like something or think it would be better to do it another way, it should be a matter of being able to say that, though without *attacking* someone for it.
Hiding the problem by removing these will not make your product better and your customers happier, it onl
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@AProgrammer Interesting view on things...
 
Xeo
so much for multiple-use token
 
11:29 AM
@Tony I believe that what he is doing is noting the complaints (what happened to the features in the original Eeeeek question? the all got implemented) but hiding those complaints from others in the future. Interestingly, that is a problem better solved with a rather old technology: email. Just request that users email you with complaints rather than making them public, and that way there is no need to delete public comments. Then again, that goes against the we are cool and open
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas Surely, email could be a good solution, but yeah, it does go against the transparancy that they want to create. You can't have both though, and transparancy and no public complaints.... It's a kind of an oxymoron, a non-public transparency
 
opaque transparency anyone?
 
11:58 AM
transparent is good enough. when used in the sense that you cannot see it.
at least thats how the local government describes themselves... completely transparent.
 
sbi
@Tony Actually, I feel like I am taken to the edge. Well, maybe I do have a funny bone there, which they happened to have tickled, but - and please correct me if I'm wrong! - to me it seemed it pretty much was the general feeling here yesterday that we need to watch out for what we're saying, lest we silently disappear.
And I think @jalf had a pretty good point when he said that, for an allegedly "community-driven" site, removing users without having to answer to the community is a pretty, erm, odd feature.
 
@sbi it continues to seem the same way to me to.
Im concerned with the "He (tina) was on my radar long before you brought him to my attention" comment in one of his replies to sbi.
 
@sbi It was the general feeling that we should watch what we're saying...
 
Which translates as "I had a personal agenda against him"
which is very odd on a community site where we use ratings to judge each other.
If Tina was an actual disruption, the low score was enough clue not to take answers seriously.
 
@ChrisBecke that is your interpretation of what Jeff said, not what he actually said... he said what he said, it doesn't aid anyone if you add interpretations of what someone said to it
 
sbi
12:04 PM
@Tony Indeed.
 
How can you read "Was on my radar" any other way? Im pretty sure thats close to the actual words used.
Jeff CAN speak english. "my" is clearly Jeff referring to himself. not SO or the community at large.
 
@ChrisBecke you can read as exactly what it says "was on my radar"... nothing else! I know that can be hard, but if you don't understand what that means, use a dictionary
 
sbi
@ChrisBecke An IMO valid interpretation is that offenders need to cross a certain threshold, and they are watched for accumulating offenses until they do.
 
Which is what the points are for. Otherwise, there is an implied "secret rep" that SO keeps with a different scoring system.
Which I could be happy with, because the existence of a secret rep would imply that Jeff isn't being arbitrary and capricious
without a published threshold, Jeff can act against anyone he deems fit, and excuse it with "was on my radar", no matter the number of public rep points the person has
and we would have to accept him on it, or bitch about it on meta for a bit
 
@ChrisBecke I'm sure they just go by the rep that we see too... else why is it there.... you can start adding all sorts of supposedly hidden influences and make it all look much worse then it is, just don't do that, unless there is actual proof that there is such an influence, else you're making things worse
 
sbi
12:10 PM
@ChrisBecke Which was exactly what @jalf was complaining about.
 
@Tony many oppressive regimes operate on the basis that proof of secret agenda's are impossible to obtain.
 
sbi
@Tony Actually, your rep points can be orthogonal to your behavior, as we've all seen with that "there's..." guy.
 
@sbi not like Tina's rep was not exactly the better rep on SO
 
Which is why transparency in action is the only way to know there is no secret agenda
 
@sbi then the rep system is flawed, if that is supposed to be an indication of behaviour, it's flawed
 
12:12 PM
@Tony agree
 
sbi
@Tony I'm not sure what you're trying to say with this. I was supporting @Chris' claim that those banning/suspending users don't need to answer anyone for what they did.
 
@sbi I'm trying to say that Tina's rep in this case was kind of inline with the exhibited behaviour
 
sbi
@Tony No, it isn't. It only indicates the technical level of your questions and answers. And as much time we spend about those who slip through that net, it's a system that indicates a user's level of technical expertise pretty well for more than 90% of all cases - and that's actually much better than anything else I have seen so far.
 
Als
Hey All
 
sbi
@Tony That's because the offending behavior (as used by Jeff and experienced by us) was that sHe didn't learn anything. In other cases, it's that they are rude, and that's not reflected by the rep. (I remember flagging Neil Butterworth on several occasions for rudeness.)
@Als Hey you! <pavlov> Get off of my cloud! </pavlov>
 
12:17 PM
@sbi what I find amusing is that he was the one who brought up real-life comparisons, saying it's like a big city. And when I pointed out that law enforcement doesn't make people disappear in a non-police state big city, our discussion mysteriously vanished as well
 
Als
@Sbi: Hello..How are you keeping today? Storms passed or is it still brewing up..
 
@sbi I've a better rep than James Kanze! (at least now, I expect it won't last; but I thank the repcapping )
 
@sbi Then it might be helpful to add a velocity component to rep...
 
Als
@sbi: I had to google <pavlov> seems Pavlov was a famous Russian physiologist
 
sbi
@jalf Yep, that's something we've seen again and again. If you don't agree with him, and provide good arguments which he can't counter, he just wipes out the whole discussion.
 
12:22 PM
@sbi The only point I was trying to make is that adding speculation about how things could be or why this or that is a certain way, doesn't really help, esp if it is speculation then turns someone into the evil doer, which becomes a bit of a bias if other people accept it. It might then not even be a true bias. Only facts can tell the true story, or have I got it wrong?
 
@Tony you lost me ;)
 
sbi
@Als Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, Pavlov is mostly known for his work on conditioning and involuntary reflexes, something I was taught in biology when I was ~12 years old. "Pavloving" I use as a synonym for "I couldn't hold back doing this". I hadn't invented the phrase, but haven't heard it much either, but since most people who heard it in my presence immediately understood it, I took it as universally understood.
 
@Tony Uncertainty is good. It makes people fear and self behave.
 
16 mins ago, by Chris Becke
Which is what the points are for. Otherwise, there is an implied "secret rep" that SO keeps with a different scoring system.
 
sbi
@jalf He's referring to @Chris going overboard with his speculations on what Jeff meant.
 
12:24 PM
that was a reference to this
 
sbi
@Tony Ah, there you go. :)
 
12:50 PM
@sbi By the way, have you noticed the new meetup plans for Berlin?
Mainly since Space_C0wb0y (however he’s spelled) missed the last one and since due to the noise we didn’t actually have much time for interesting discussions in the I Due Forni ;)
 
sbi
@KonradRudolph Yeah, I did. I definitely would like to come, but this hinges at the date. (Mainly: Do I have to take care of the kids?) So as soon as a date is settled, I will tell you. And, yes, we would need a spot where talking would be easier. Ideally, we'd be the loudest bunch in the place, so the others won't disturb us. :)
 
do you loose rep for deleting an answer you've written?
 
sbi
@Tony Only the rep that answer had generated. You need to trigger a rep recalc in order to see it.
 
@sbi Oh I see
 
@sbi you should move it to Copenhagen ;)
 
1:04 PM
@jalf Why there?
 
because I live there ;)
so I could drop by too
 
@jalf nononono. You got it exactly the wrong way round
 
@jalf Then I might as well go to Germany and attend there... :)
practice my German :)
 
1:26 PM
@sbi not speculations. just an extrapolation.
 
sbi
@jalf Why should we all come to Copenhagen, when there's the alternative of a single person coming to Berlin??
@Tony Yeah, why not?
 
@sbi because it'd be more convenient for me, obviously ;)
 
copenhagen is cooler than berlin?
 
@ChrisBecke not afaik
Berlin rates pretty highly on coolness
 
@ChrisBecke I am sure that they have... with all those stats, do you seriously think they are not counting the number of offensive flags even if they are not being shown anywhere? And by offensive I mean the flag on questions, answers, comments, chat entries...
 
1:33 PM
@DavidRodríguezdribeas The issue was with the transparency of the process. unless the mechanisims are visible they can claim to be fair, while in fact being arbitrary.
and im very sensitive when people claim to be fair, and then refuse to prove it.
 
I know, but I understood the was under my radar in the sense that some metrics that they are using triggered alerts. BTW, there are many other metrics that they are applying, they are for example, correlating user behaviors to detect sock puppets... (or so they sell) it would actually be quite interesting to know what the analytics performed are, but I believe this falls in the usual security through obscurity
 
@sbi I'd have to check what a flight costs, since don't drive yet, due to my disability
 
@Tony, this is personal so be free not to answer, but what disability do you have?
 
sbi
@ChrisBecke Are you talking about temperatures? :)
@Tony I bet there are trains going all the way from Bruxelles to Berlin. :)
 
@DavidRodríguezdribeas I don't mind, it's not that personal. I was born with "club feet" (google if you don't know) and I've had quite a few surgical interventions to correct, but the sheer intensity of pain that I'm left with each and every day, makes walking very difficult without crutches
@sbi a plane from 69 euros... can't go wrong really...
@sbi only condition being that the meetup is over the weekend... cuz I can't get away from work currently during the week.
 
sbi
1:47 PM
@Tony Except that trains are better for our environment that planes.
 
@sbi yea, but it's overnight trains.... :(
 
sbi
On a lighter note, this guy says he had his user name generated by a password generator. And it shows. I thought he had used his password as a user name.
 
@sbi is that to guarantee a certain username complexity? LOL
It takes O(n^2) time for sb to type my username, it's only a 128 bits long... :p
 
sbi
@Tony Well, as long as there's only one such user, we can always refer to him as "the guy with the unmemorizable user name", but as soon as two of then appear, they'll drown each other in sheer noise.
 
@sbi yep
@sbi your username is a three letter word
What's the "Towel Day" event all about?
 
sbi
2:05 PM
Towel Day is celebrated every 25 May as a tribute by fans of the late author Douglas Adams. On this day, fans carry a towel with them to demonstrate their love for the books and the author, as referenced in Adams's The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. The commemoration was first held in 2001, two weeks after Adams's death on 11 May 2001. Origin The original quotation that referenced the greatness of towels is found in Chapter 3 of Adams's work The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. The original article that began Towel Day was posted at "Binary Freedom," a short-lived open source fo...
@Tony Yeah, and it starts with "s". I should change it to "sbx". :)
 
greeting all
 
@JohnDibling Greetings!
@JohnDibling Try not to be too facetious today, so I can follow what you're saying! :P
 
LOL, OK!
I will be very serious.
(oops, sorry, I did it again)
 
@JohnDibling :p
 
2:36 PM
Morning all!
 
@Martin, It's the end of the afternoon here :-)
 
what's up
the FDIS is out
 
When are they going to FINALIZE this damned thing?!
 
@JohnDibling Garbage collection hasn't kicked in to run the Finalizers
 
2:49 PM
@Tony: Hey, now YOU'RE being facetious!
 
@JohnDibling Lol :P got you back there....
 
oh, interesting. I found a bug in the chat. I can't edit the above
 
@jalf you can only edit your messages for two minutes
 
@Tony So it's a bug that only appears after some time?
 
@jalf: what were you trying to edit?
 
2:58 PM
@StackedCrooked basically... timed bug
 
@jalf Your last message was 1h ago, so time is up. And you cannot edit someone else's messages.
 
3:28 PM
it's gone quiet in here...
 
cpx
@JohannesSchaublitb guten abend ^^
 
@JohannesSchaublitb Sky is generally considered "up" :)
 
lol
gute abend @cpx
 
@JohnDibling oh, I guess it was just the super crappy net connection in the train. I accidentally posted a half-finished line, and then couldn't edit it. And now it isn't here at all, so I guess it never got through in the first place :)
 
Xeo
Good evening @Johannes! Mind if I just throw this at you? :)
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Q: Conditional compile-time inclusion/exclusion of code based on template argument(s)?

XeoConsider the following class, with the inner struct Y being used as a type, eg. in templates, later on: template<int I> class X{ template<class T1> struct Y{}; template<class T1, class T2> struct Y{}; }; Now, this example will obviously not compile, with the error th...

 
3:37 PM
lulz
 
@Xeo, have you considered traits?
 
@Xeo: Is @Johannes the only person you want to look at this?
 
Xeo
@JohnDibling Of course not, but since he was here I thought I'd just throw it at him, since he seems to live in the compile time
 
3:52 PM
@JohannesSchaublitb probably never runs his programs, he loves compile time too much for that... :P
 
Xeo
@Tony maybe all his programs only consist of TMP ? the only problem with TMP is input and output...
 
@Xeo lol
 
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