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2:00 AM
@AlexM. no
 
Ell
Preferable for a pirate would be a distributed collection of all the music in the world
 
so you download it locally first
 
user406009
The main reason to dl instead of stream is so you can listen when you don't have a lot of data access.
 
lemme quickly check
 
user406009
I have a strict data cap for my mobile for instance.
 
2:00 AM
@Ell yea at this point downloading big albums is still better than buying on certain stores
Dec 29 '15 at 14:45, by Alex M.
google play doesn't let me download my album directly
3 mins ago, by Alex M.
when they can stream it
you can't
 
I sometimes download because internet is crappy.
 
Ell
Idk how someone hasn't written a distributed verified song network pirate thing
 
@AlexM. it kinda looks like it is actually
 
Ell
That uses musebrainz database or something
 
dunno if you can set it up so it streams, but then you can keep the full buffer
 
user406009
2:02 AM
@Ell You mean like torrents?
 
I’m no VLC wizard
 
@LucDanton that also works with the player on youtube I think
it remembers what you've loaded so far
 
Ell
@Lalaland you don't know what data you're getting in a torrent
Plus multiple versions
 
@Ell private trackers
 
user406009
@Ell Well, you know it has to match the SHA.
 
2:03 AM
private trackers have peer-approved torrents
and you see comments and stuff
 
@AlexM. I often have to rebuffer, sometimes even when only going back a few seconds
 
Ell
Right, I'm saying someone should do a song -> sha database for instance, then downloading a song would be easy
 
@LucDanton weird, I can replay songs unlimited times once I listen to them once
 
user406009
Also, I always rip those large talk videos.
 
Ell
@AlexM. Fair enough, I don't torrent besides downloading Linux distros
 
user406009
2:04 AM
So I can watch them at 2x speed without buffering.
 
user406009
At very high resolution.
 
user406009
That I don't have enough bandwidth to stream.
 
@AlexM. I kinda have different settings on different machines though, so I guess it depends which player I’m served
 
@Lalaland What's your internet connection speed?
 
just enough
 
user406009
2:05 AM
@user3886129 300 kilobytes per second, down.
 
user406009
Shared between 3 people.
 
that's kinda low
 
lol wut
 
I get 2MB/s often on my 3G
 
user406009
Well, it's the best you can do on DSL.
 
user406009
2:07 AM
At least at the distance my house is from the main station or whatever.
 
user406009
@AlexM. Yeah, but I can only do that for about 1 hour until I hit my data cap.
 
come on and DSLAM, welcome to the lag
 
aaaah data cap
 
@AlexM. 6 MB/s on average (4G)
 
user406009
And then I have 29 days and 23 hours left of the month to wait.
 
2:07 AM
damn dude where do you live
 
I also have that, 1GB/mo
then it gets slow
I liked my old plan before the company I used got bought by these guys
 
@AlexM. It takes (about) 10 bits to transfer one byte, so that's roughly 200 kilobytes/second (assuming I can still divide by 10 correctly).
 
I had the 1GB cap but it was still fast after that
 
@Lalaland Imagine watching the same movie...
 
user406009
@user3886129 In one of the suburbs of Los Angeles.
 
2:08 AM
except it cost me more
now it's slow and same $$$
which is crap
@JerryCoffin no I download things at 2MB/s
 
@Lalaland Why is the internet so horrible,?
 
megabytes
 
user406009
@user3886129 DSL
 
@AlexM. Ah, okay.
 
user406009
Also lower population density.
 
user406009
2:09 AM
Population density roughly correlates with how cheap/good internet access can be.
 
@JerryCoffin What? I always assumed it's 8. I mean, I thought it's implementation-specific independent, like after accounting for parity bits and such.
 
@MarkGarcia it’s a baker’s octet
 
user406009
Measuring things in terms of bits is stupid.
 
@MarkGarcia Yes, but parity bits and such still use bandwidth.
 
user406009
The problem is that the average consumer doesn't know what the difference between a bit and a byte is. So companies can't advertise in terms of bytes.
 
2:11 AM
@Lalaland there are 15 bits celsius outside
 
obviously an incentive to switch to grams
250 > 4
well, and 330 as well
 
user406009
@LucDanton Get your socialist commi "gram" units out of here!
 
> Fursona
The 'persona' of an anthro artist-- the artist personified as a character in their art.
TIL this exists
 
@Lalaland Freedom units best units.
 
user406009
2:15 AM
@AlexM. Well, there are also people who literally believe they are fantasy creatures.
 
yeaa I guess this is a good time to call it a day
almost 5 am already anyway
cya tomorrow :D
 
@AlexM. Later today (your time), I'd guess. G'night for now though.
 
user406009
@AlexM. The movement is called otherkin if you are interested it at all.
 
user406009
Good night.
 
dog trio /cc @Borgleader @ElimGarak @TonyTheLion
 
2:17 AM
@jaggedSpire hahah, they' look so happy :D
 
@ElimGarak :)
 
@ElimGarak The middle one of the bunch suffers.
 
@jaggedSpire their bodies extend underground right
 
@LucDanton indeed
 
Ugh. I'll just completely refork the whole thing.
 
2:20 AM
{ return select(select_overload, meta::depends<Dep>(identity<unqualified_t<Type>> {})); }
I’m itching that C++ itch again
 
user406009
Oh wow, I can't believe I forgot about the comedy gold mine that was the "otherkin" community.
 
@Lalaland That.... really fucking hurt to read.
 
1 message moved to bin
 
user406009
@ThePhD You actually do sorta feel sorry for everyone involved in the story.
 
user406009
I mean that's got to be super awkward for the manager, the customers, and everyone else involved.
 
user406009
2:24 AM
And that writer clearly needs help.
 
user406009
Stories like that also make me think: "Wow, I wonder what crazy shit I believe."
 
user406009
If someone can go through life believing they are an an actual werewolf, then odds are that I probably have all sorts of crazy junk that I still believe in.
 
@Lalaland Some, undoubtedly. But probably not quite as obviously ridiculous as some things some people believe.
 
Cute and strange animals for git and shiggles.
 
I am a koala though.
Roar.
 
2:31 AM
is there an alternative to using the put_time function to display the date and time in a specific format?
the gcc compiler i'm using isn't up to date and is saying put_time is not a member of std
 
@StanleyDharan Update your compiler.
Use -std=c++14
 
@StanleyDharan You need GCC 5.
 
user406009
@JerryCoffin Well, I was thinking more of stuff like societal disillusions.
 
I cant update the compiler, the compiler is on my schools server
 
user406009
Dumb things that we all believe as part of society, yet are absolutely ridiculous outside of that social context.
 
2:34 AM
@Morwenn :)
 
@StanleyDharan You can look up the time_put facet. A little more difficult to use, but essentially similar.
@Lalaland You mean, like, believing that I'm real? :-)
 
@JerryCoffin okay I'll look into it, thanks
 
@JerryCoffin You're a werewasp.
 
@nick Forgot to wish you a safe ride. If you die, I'm claiming your keyboards.
 
@StanleyDharan The other obvious possibility would be to use strftime to put the date/time data into a buffer of char, then write that out to the stream as a string.
@Morwenn I were a wasp once, but now I Bee one.
And in case you worry you're missing something: no, that really doesn't make any sense at all.
 
@Morwenn Unfortunately, I be quite old.
 
Honestly, I just wanted to share some Gwendal.
 
@JerryCoffin You mean young.
You are x years young.
 
@user3886129 I wish. Unfortunately, it's just not true. Remember: a woman is as old as she feels. And a man is as old as the woman he feels. Oh...wait. I didn't say that, did I?
 
user406009
> And a man is as old as the woman he feels.
 
user406009
2:43 AM
So that's why people get trophy wives!
 
user406009
Wisdom from the Jerry.
 
@JerryCoffin Too sexist for meta. #disgusted
 
@JerryCoffin Don't worry, we won't tell.
@Morwenn Too disgusted for sexist. #meta
 
@user3886129 std::rotate(sexist, meta, disgusted);
 
2:48 AM
std::this_thread::sleep_for(7h);
std::exit(0);
 
Now you know why I don't usually use a picture of myself. My mom makes me wear that silly bow tie thing...
 
@Morwenn Toodles.
 
@Morwenn G'night.
 
Thanks :)
 
How do I separate a fork from its parent entirely?
 
user406009
2:50 AM
@ThePhD A good handsaw.
 
user406009
And some elbow grease.
 
Sounds like a plan.
 
user406009
In all seriousness, you use linux.die.net/man/2/setpgid iirc.
 
I meant git-wise.
 
@ThePhD Download the parent repo, then push on fresh online repo? (Haven't tried it though)
 
2:55 AM
So a handsaw and some elbow-grease.
 
user406009
You could also just delete the .git folder.
 
user406009
And create a new one.
 
I am a 52 yo, 199 lb, naturally tanned skinned woman from Africa, I would like a trophy husband 0-20 years my junior because a woman is as old as the man she feels
 
Git doesn't have "forks"
This is entirely GitHub thing
And you can't, you have to create a new repo
(Or: every clone is a fork)
 
@Telkitty A woman is as old as she feels--she can be younger without the burden of the trophy spouse.
 
3:06 AM
A human is as old as the interval between now and their birth day.
 
@JerryCoffin that worked, thank-you
 
That'll be 100€
 
http://www.twitch.tv/gamesdonequick
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reprogramming the game by playing it
to instantly warp to the credits
 
My precious vertical real estate.
 
I feel like to swoop people ...
 
3:19 AM
I want to swoop down on people in the middle of the night to terrify them
 
Also the bamboo flooring that I am installing is sexy ...
 
this seems like loads of fun except for the part where I get shot
 
@Telkitty does does seem like nice flooring
quite shiny, at the very least
 
3:21 AM
Thanks
 
@orlp There are better ones
 
@CatPlusPlus I'm aware, this is marathon strats
 
@jaggedSpire I like your idea 💫🌟 😂
 
why thank you!
 
@jaggedSpire Do it in yuurop
 
3:23 AM
I'd still get punched. The question is am I willing to suffer broken noses, etc. for the fun of fucking with people
hm
 
@Lalaland ???
 
@jaggedSpire Not if you give them 5€ afterwards!
probably
maybe
 
I concentrate on the chat too much, I cut the plank to the wrong size ... Back to flooring ...
 
jump people from above in the middle of the night in order to give them money?
 
And then ask them if they believe in their lord and saviour, Batman
 
3:27 AM
this does seem like an excellent plan
I have a cloak and a batman mask
but I also have a job, and no plane ticket to Europe
 
@user3886129 you there?
 
> internal compiler error: in store_field, at expr.c:6659
 
rip.c
 
user406009
Was it VS?
 
That's GCC message
 
3:38 AM
Man, I'm hungry.
 
Ughh why did I spin up this thing on Linode
Now I have to shuffle shit again
 
user406009
3:53 AM
Oh, it's that same one.
 
@user3886129 arrived like 16 hrs ago but thanks man
@AngryLettuce yes of course
 
user406009
@nick Nice to hear that you made it.
 
user406009
Are you already suffering from hipster withdrawal syndrome?
 
nope i will find refuge in instagram
 
mmmh looks like updating to GCC head didn’t help, I’ll have to reduce that one
 
4:04 AM
@user3886129 i thought you might enjoy (other than the shitty focus)
 
why can’t I (shift) right click in my terminal anymore ._.
oh ffs
the nvim in the background was intercepting the event
 
I’d be surprised if this wasn’t new
energy available to figure out who’s to blame: 0
 
user406009
@LucDanton Once you have the simple example ready, can you post it here?
 
user406009
I might try to attempt to look into it.
 
user406009
4:14 AM
At the very least, a git bisect.
 
I heroically managed to start creduce despite all the nvim/zsh/whoknowswho obstacles in the way
@Lalaland keep in mind I’m mechanically reducing this one, so it’ll look like garbage
@Lalaland oh yeah this is not a regression, this is code that uses concepts which it didn’t before
 
user406009
@LucDanton Oh.
 
'now' it triggers an ICE but of course it’s all new
well, maybe the reduced testcase won’t need concepts who knows
yeah okay lol
 
user406009
I would be impressed if creduce even works on code with concepts at all.
 
Dec 8 '15 at 2:39, by Luc Danton
the fuzzer behaviour is very convenient for those constructs Clang doesn’t undestand and/or once the testcase becomes so reduced it doesn’t look like code anymore
 
user406009
4:22 AM
Oh, it uses Clang for parsing.
 
@Lalaland is that how it works?
intercoursing neato, that one will be easy to file—it is a regression after all
oh man it’s filed with duplicates and everything lol, I made sure to google the ICE message but there was nothing of interest
 
user406009
creduce has a bunch of clang AST visitors to simplify the code.
 
@sehe
well they already have a reduced testcase, so I guess that’s that
 
user406009
What's the original bug report?
 
4:28 AM
I’ll try the patch
might eat first though
 
4:49 AM
tentative patch doesn’t help, I’ll leave a message
 
5:31 AM
Argh fucking packages with default config files
 
user406009
@CatPlusPlus The solution is to use a non-sucky distro.
 
Like what
I don't think I've seen a distro that doesn't do this shit
 
user406009
Twas a joke.
 
user406009
They all suck.
 
user406009
(Although I find that debian's default configs are usually half-decent)
 
5:33 AM
All garbage and when I remove config files I do it for a reason and don't want a goddamn package upgrade restoring them
 
user406009
Don't they usually give you an option of replace or ignore?
 
Replace or ignore what
 
user406009
There is probably a way to configure an auto-accept or auto-reject.
 
inb4 yes everywhere
 
Like I'm looking at every individual update process
Because that scales very well
Plus there's nothing to replace, the file doesn't exist
There's no conflict
 
user406009
5:34 AM
31
A: Make apt-get (or aptitude) run with -y but not prompt for replacement of configuration files?

medigeekI believe this is self-explanatory: sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confdef" -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confold" dist-upgrade For only specific packages, e.g. mypackage1 mypackage2: sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confdef" -o Dpkg::Op...

 
Thank you for this valuable contribution
Again there is nothing to replace that is not an issue
 
user406009
The wording is somewhat ambiguous, but it seems implied that --force-confold might do what you want.
 
No
(It's not even Debian)
 
user406009
What is it then? One of the RedHat derivatives?
 
Arch, but it's not very important
 
user406009
5:41 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't be too surprised if Arch doesn't have this feature.
 
Pacman doesn't replace anything by default
And dpkg respects removed config files without any prompts anyway afair
 
> internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
that’s probably enough for tonight, time to watch some vidya
good ol' stacktrace starting at toplev.c
 
6:03 AM
night all
 
Night.
Sleep tight.
 
user406009
Sleep tight.
 
Don't let the UB bite.
 
G'night.
 
Don't start a pun fight.
And don't do anything right.
Also, I figured a way to register for some extra classes @jaggedSpire.
So you can enjoy that thought while going to bed.
 
user406009
6:07 AM
Hmm, it looks like the Oculus Rift is now open for preorders.
 
user406009
I am really tempted.
 
user406009
But 600 bucks.
 
LOl
600 USD.
No thank you.
 
user406009
@ThePhD It's not that much more expensive compared to other good PC components.
 
user406009
Or a high end phone.
 
6:10 AM
Yeah, "high end" is right.
Also, a 900 series NVIdia card costs less than that.
 
user406009
Of course, us being poor college students, we aren't really in the target market for this.
 
I could get two monitors with that.
If I went dirt cheap, I could get a mobo a CPU and a low-end GPU.
 
user406009
But graduation is coming relatively soon, and then hopefully the ability to work full time for a long period of time.
 
I'm still debating whether I should do graduate school or not.
 
user406009
As far as I can tell, a PhD would be useful if you want to do research.
 
user406009
6:11 AM
(Which I have no interest in)
 
Yeah, and also lock you out of a lot of basic software engineering jobs.
Getting an MS/PhD usually means you're locked into research world.
And you maybe get to hobby dev on your spare time.
 
user406009
A masters has almost nothing to do with research.
 
user406009
Well, technically, there are two types of masters degrees.
 
@ThePhD Hardly. Google (for only one obvious example) hires PhD's all the time.
 
user406009
There are the "professional masters" and the research masters.
 
user406009
6:14 AM
It seems to me that the "professional masters" degree is basically a bet against the job market.
 
user406009
When you look at similar industries that have seen a squeeze in jobs, like psychology and biology, etc, etc.
 
user406009
There is more and more of a focus on higher degrees.
 
@JerryCoffin That's reassuring, because someone at Microsoft spent a loooot of time telling me that I wasn't going to do the software engineering stuff if I went for that PhD.
 
user406009
Because employers can use those higher degrees as a cheap filter. (Similar to how they use bachelors degrees as a cheap filter)
 
user406009
I mean, it seems like right now a masters degree wouldn't be that useful.
 
user406009
6:16 AM
But things change.
 
user406009
Also, supposedly the higher degrees are very useful for getting visas.
 
user406009
(Not that I think you or I care much about that. Unless you want to run away to Canada :P)
 
@ThePhD I don't know as much about Microsoft's hiring, but from what I've seen in Silicon Valley, people pretty routinely hire PhD's to write code.
 
@JerryCoffin gud news for me then
 
user406009
@JerryCoffin It does seem like the more research oriented jobs particularly look for PhDs though.
 
user406009
6:20 AM
At least from looking at job postings.
 
user406009
@ThePhD Have you thought about what topic you would study for your PhD?
 
@Lalaland Yes, I'd expect research-oriented jobs to require a PhD much more often (or bachelors+N years experience).
 
user406009
@JerryCoffin The more interesting question is whether, and to what degree, would a masters or PhD help you with a more standard software development career.
 
user406009
What I should do is see if I can find any writings about this topic from the dot com bust.
 
user406009
What issues did people face during that time? Did people of that time wish they had a higher degree? Etc, etc.
 
6:26 AM
@Lalaland From what (little) I've seen, a master's degree gives a slight bump in starting pay, but doesn't seem to have a lot of effect on the kinds of jobs available.
 
Out of tea, out of food
I'll have to go into the fukken snow and cold
Sucks
 
user406009
@CatPlusPlus Clearly you need to move to Texas.
 
Whyever would I do that
 
user406009
No snow.
 
user406009
Less cold.
 
6:28 AM
On the other hand, Texas
 
user406009
Don't you want to be able to open carry your guns through college campuses?
 
Order pizza, get fat because everyone loves a fat kitty ...
 
user406009
Glory to the wonderful Texas legislature.
 
u s sucks
almost palindrome
Moving from Linode to OVH cloud rip
Well, maybe, they seem to have only crappy distros
 
Texas better than taxes ... Unless you are working for the tax office or those whose spending depends on taxes collected
Freaking hate those tini tiny buttons on the mobile chat, no, my fingers can not lose weight
 
I clicked it .. Nothing happened ... Then I clicked it again ...
 
user406009
Well, news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8781768 is rather depressing.
 
6:53 AM
@Lalaland Hacker News. Very SEO friendly.
 
Vomit.
 
user406009
@ThePhD ?
 
Just thinking about certain people
and it makes me want to puke.
 
7:26 AM
> Because Bethesda thinks being sarcastic = being an asshole = being racist towards "non-humans" and robots should all be in the same option in their discount mass effect option design.
lol, them people still sour.
 
I can't breakpoint anything in my nonius benchmarks...
Well, there we go.
 
user406009
7:45 AM
 
This is dumb.
> return r();
> return r.call<int>();
Both deduce to returning an int.
The second one is significantly faster than the first, because the first creates a temporary object whose destructor has to check if the value returned by the function is still at the top of the stack.
If it is, it quickly pulls it off the stack. But if you SAVE the function_result and then destruct it later, then it has to yank items out of the middle of the stack.
The cost of this indirection is annoyingly high.
The second one knows the return type, so it just pops the item of the top of the stack and then returns it directly.
I wish I had a unnamed temporary object detector for C++.
Then I could optimize cases like these.
Like "If this gets assigned to something / copied to a variable, then trigger the safe code: otherwise neckbreak speed pls."
I'm trying to think of a temporary_object that does this.
but auto fucks it all up.
I can't make an object with an obscenely long and unspeakable name that'd guarantee nobody would type it.
And I can't make a private class that's un-nameable because auto will still work just fine.
 

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