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1:00 PM
things i do for security
that's hours btw
 
Related to the talk: firmware.re
@CatPlusPlus Processing what?
 
DH group parameters
 
Xeo
@wilx Why is that not firmwa.re
almost seems like a missed opportunity for a tld abuse
 
@Xeo prob taken already
 
Xeo
prolly even by someone who just took it to sell it
 
1:12 PM
people buy urls like th.is expecting millions of dollars back from business wanting to use them lol
 
Xeo
like funatics.com - some asshole is keeping that and asking for... idk, $100k IIRC?
 
did you ever try to go to projecteuler.com
it redirects you to some weird ad
 
Xeo
nah
 
Short domain names mostly matter to link shorteners and people selling short domain names
 
catpluplusporn.com
 
1:14 PM
I support all this dumb domain fuckery
 
@Xeo Don't ask me. :)
 
It keeps boring old domains cheap
 
I own rendering.ninja, for some reason
 
Ell
@AlexM. that gif always makes me sad
well not sad
but it's very cute and sad
 
1:15 PM
skudenfrudi
 
what's the original
 
@ElimGarak ninja -f rendering.ninja
 
"did santa get you anything this year"
"yeah"
"santa dosnt xzizt its ur dad and mom welcom to the real world kid get rekt tbag"
 
id<plsno>
 
user1804599
COBOL is great.
 
1:22 PM
maybe I should xpost my Q to circle forums
 
or on haskell reddit
 
> You can now analyze you a Haskell on Code Climate!
ohhhh
oh oh oh oh
do want
 
omg omg nick is 19
TIL I'm a paedophile
 
pædophile
get WinCompose you pleb
 
pedii
both of u
 
user1804599
 
quick write a isPalindrome function
 
just like an eagle wat
 
user1804599
@Mr.kbok palindrome←{∧/⍵=⌽⍵}
 
nice
 
user1804599
All AWK programs are nice.
 
1:29 PM
> 04 PIZZA POWER ALIEN 0:16:31
 
@AlexM. ten thousand pounds for a piece of metal
 
song for alex
@BartekBanachewicz AC money doesn't make any fucking sense
price for a knife: 30.000 monies
price for buying the coliseum: 300.000 ie 10 knives
 
Ell
Nick is 19 and he just up and moved to HK
Mayn
 
High Korea
 
@Ell haven't you read this story of the guy who moved from australia to uk just when he turned 18
and switched 3 jobs in 2015
world is getting smaller nowadays
 
1:33 PM
no you're getting bigger
fatso
 
I wanted to move to NYC when I was 20 but no one would hire me
 
user1804599
sizeof('c') == sizeof(char) == 1 is true but not because of why you think it is.
 
@Mr.kbok small victories
 
I don't want to move anywhere
 
isn't NYC inefficiently expensive
 
1:34 PM
I like it here
best region of Poland by far
 
@AlexM. no, salaries are scaled accordingly.
@AlexM. overall, it's cheaper than Paris
 
I wanted to move to Australia, but then the sheer amount of nope in that country made me nope the fuck out
so I moved to nopeville
 
@AlexM. he probably wouldn't in paris either then
 
Xeo
@TonyTheLion Like kitty.
3
 
user1804599
@TonyTheLion racist
 
1:35 PM
the relevant thing to look for
 
@Xeo Australia is big enough to not have to run into one another
 
Ell
I'll be at least 26 before I'll have finished uni and two years of work
 
user1804599
ooh australia
 
user1804599
I read austria
 
@TonyTheLion it's essentially a big batch of nothing
 
1:36 PM
is the minimum and average wage
 
@BartekBanachewicz yep there's sand and then there's more.... sand.
 
its a big batch of spiders
 
you want to work in a place where the programmer pay is much higher than the average wage
 
with some cities here and there
 
@AlexM. yep
 
1:36 PM
which are built from spiders on spiders for spiders
 
yes you can live nicely as a programmer probably everywhere because prices scale
 
but but Great Barrier Reef is nice
 
@AlexM. eg, not SF
 
spider cities
spiderstralia
 
but you didn't really win if the plumber next to you also lives almost as nicely as you
you win if you make 8x his money
or more
 
1:37 PM
@AlexM. or as shittily
 
and can afford things he can't
 
Ell
@Mr.kbok isn't it?
 
contract jobs are good for making money
 
Ell
I thought SF was highest paid dev place
 
SF is also expensive as fuck
And also full of nerds
 
1:37 PM
the US is expensive as fuck
 
@Ell everyone's a google programmer there so the prices are maddeningly high
 
@CatPlusPlus you would fit right in :P
 
try a decenter country
 
@Ell apt for 2 people is like 3500$ afair
 
@AlexM. I don't think living in an expensive country is bad
 
Ell
1:38 PM
> Surpassing the national average by 37 percent, Computer Programmers in San Francisco receive some of the highest pay in the country.
I guess if the prices are 37% higher it don't mean much
How about I live in romania and work in SF over the internet :3
 
Living costs is silly though in SF
 
@Ell wot in Poland it's like 100%
 
Ell
virtual presence
 
@Ell that's a plan
 
@Ell like I do on Codementor? :)
 
user1804599
1:39 PM
> functions aren't programs unless they are actually called
 
user1804599
gem of the day
 
@Ell eeh taxes
 
Ell
@BartekBanachewicz yeh
but then I'd also have to live in poland
 
if you don't pay taxes in both countries technically it's illegal
pay for programmers in romania is good enough
 
@AlexM. nobody cares
 
1:39 PM
@Ell Poland is okay. We have nice food and weather is better than in the UK
 
@AlexM. well if there's double taxation treaty, you may only need to pay once, but declare twice
or some such thing
 
@AlexM. if you live in Switzerland then anywhere you travel to is cheaper
now try doing a trip to switzerland living in Romania, good luck
or in Thailand
 
Ell
I think austria would be okay
> Average Programmer salaries for job postings nationwide are 29% higher than average salaries for all job postings nationwide.
 
source
pls
 
@BartekBanachewicz Do you rant when you mentor?
 
1:41 PM
@JohanLarsson yes
 
@BartekBanachewicz so... live in switzerland but travel 24/24 so that you don't spend as much?
 
I say things like "we could do this better but it's C++"
 
for 45 minutes?
 
@AlexM. IDGI why you think spending a lot is bad
 
1:42 PM
And then rage quit?
 
nah then I clench my teeth and write bad code
 
like a pro
 
bitch, I'm a professional
 
@BartekBanachewicz you're the one who mentioned it being cheaper
IDGI why you think traveling should be cheap
@Ell give me the liiiiiink
I want to check countries
 
@AlexM. because it's the only difference?
 
Ell
1:44 PM
@AlexM. I'm trying to find a good website
I'm looking on www.payscale.com atm
 
You earn more and spend more but when you travel you get benefits
 
@Ell thx
 
user1804599
some twat left an open container in the dishwasher not upside-down and now it's full of water
 
user1804599
how do they wash dishes in outer space
 
@Ell how did you query for countries is it behind a paywall
ahh found it
but it's just for the us
 
Ell
1:46 PM
@AlexM. btw don't do the personal salary checker thing
it asks for all deets then gets you to sign up at the end
I'm a chump
 
Shocking
 
Ell
I signed up
 
the things you pasted were they from this website
I'm so confused
 
Ell
It predicted my wage as 92K CHF
 
I want to get to the website that's the source of the things you pasted
 
1:47 PM
I might be getting a t-shirt from SE :D
 
Ell
63k sterling, not bad at all
> Cost of living in Zurich is 39.00% higher than in London
Oh. Never mind.
 
austria is pretty expensive
 
Ell
this is switzerland now
I changed my mnind
but I'll look at austria too
 
@Ell You need a job in Switzerland and live in London.
 
Ell
lol yeah
but then I wouldn't get to live in switzerland :(
 
1:50 PM
payscale doesn't have info on romania
nvm it has something
people give all these random multiple names like computer programmer software engineer software developer
and they all mean the same shit
you sit in a spot and write java like the sad fuck you are
4
but the reports are hard to scan this way
 
Ell
In vienna, estimated salary is 40k EUR
> Cost of living in Vienna is 30.20% lower than in London
 
are you guys looking for the sweet spot for programmer salary/city cost
let me know when you have it
 
ye I think that's romania
 
let's all move there
 
in my city or in iasi
 
1:54 PM
or not
 
I think living in bucharest is a bit worse because it's more expensive
since it's the capital
 
lol "alex city best city"
 
I think it's sorta cheap lol
honest opinion
if you're good you can easily get at least 3 times the national average when you get out of college
i.e. with 0 years of exp
you also don't pay taxes to the state out of your salary unlike most other professions (not sure if all)
so there's that perk too
no idea how long it'll last
 
Ell
@Mr.kbok yeah
we need a coloured map really
someone write a webcrawler pls
 
I learned about this neat R function that generates a world map based on your data the other day
we can use that :P
very pretty
 
Ell
2:03 PM
we need one coloured for % of living cost
 
user1804599
lol
 
user1804599
> Allahu Fubar
 
you might want to also decrease the salary by some fixed amount
for big expenses for which you need to save up regardless
so you need to be able to afford decent living while saving up
well not fixed amount
 
OK, any nice HOWTOs for moving Ubuntu with Grub from old disk to a new one?
 
it should be something like, X% of say the price of some kind of housing
depending on the area
 
Ell
2:05 PM
@wilx I suppose create a new file system and just cp it all over :P
 
user1804599
@wilx man dd
 
@MadameElyse That seems wasteful. I do not want to copy free space.
 
user1804599
Why not? Are you going to do it very often? SSDs are super fast.
 
user1804599
Yay PostgreSQL 9.5.
 
@MadameElyse To not wear out cells that do not need to be written?
 
Ell
2:07 PM
why not just copy it over?
and then make a new grub installation
 
user1804599
They'll only be written once.
 
user1804599
It's negligible.
 
Ell
@MadameElyse and also higher risk than just cp'ing :P
 
use cp -p -r
 
Hm... I have XFS. Maybe xfs_copy could be used?
 
Ell
2:13 PM
certainly
you probably want xfs_copy -d dev/src dev/target
but check, don't trust me :V
 
Ven
I was created only once, thus I'm negligible
Damn, last APL training by the "Mastering Dyalog APL" book author.
 
@wilx IIRC it does. gparted and similar know how to use xfs_progs
 
2:31 PM
@MadameElyse Also, I cannot use dd, since I am copying from 700 GiB spinning disk to 500 GiB SSD.
 
user1804599
@wilx oh ok
 
@wilx dd if=/dev/sdXXX | pbzip2 | dd of=/dev/sdYYY :)
Seriously, what's wrong with rsync?
 
If I write using namespace std; in a header file, and include it in a script, does this script use namespace std as well?
 
You can use that even across filesystem, operating system, network etc. boundaries
 
Ven
You don't write it
 
2:40 PM
@Dunno Of course. Inclusion is inclusion. Which is why it's bad to use it (especially in a header)
 
@sehe Ok, thanks.
 
What is a "script" by the way :) I haven't heard much talk about scripting in c++
 
Ven
Really? I seem to remember reading an answer of yours where you used boost.spirit and said "it's like what I'd do in python" :P
 
@Ven I'm convinced if you can quote me saying that I'd script it in C++
 
Ven
fair enough :D
 
2:45 PM
eh the fact you can set bounties only after 2 days is dum
i mean I get it's kinda to discourage pay2answer scenarios
 
Ven
@MadameElyse emacshorrors.com
 
user1804599
@Ven Sublime Text still beats all other interactive text editors.
 
Ven
Oh, you no longer like vim and emacs?
 
user1804599
Indeed.
 
user1804599
Because of the sublime quality I tolerate "free as in WinRAR".
 
user1804599
2:51 PM
Maybe I'll even buy it one day.
 
yeah, ST is pretty good
 
@sehe What is a script? A miserable little pile of codes. knowyourmeme.com/memes/what-is-a-man
 
I like ST
 
it is pretty good
 
user1804599
Ctrl+shift+R is a killer feature. It's like an IDE that doesn't hog all your RAM and disk I/O.
 
2:52 PM
the only issue for me is lack of ability to zoom in on font by Ctrl-Scroll on OSX
 
I wish the dev would move it to 1.0
it's been beta for literally years
 
@AlexM. That's not what it says in the Bible
 
and its a perfectly stable piece of software
 
(I'm cracking up here. I've been watching too many theist/non-theist debates lately. The comeback lines are so neat and reusable)
 
2:53 PM
@nick ghhh you're reminding me that my CI build is still failing
 
user1804599
> Add row-level security control
> Allow INSERTs that would generate constraint conflicts to be turned into UPDATEs or ignored
 
user1804599
Absolute killer features.
 
Wow. How did they label that security control. I thought it would be just a convenience for atomic updates
 
@BartekBanachewicz D:
 
ION I'll be working with postgress shortly
 
user1804599
2:55 PM
@sehe No. You can make rows visible to only certain users.
 
user1804599
@sehe Oh. The two lines in my message are separate features.
 
user1804599
They are unrelated.
 
user1804599
@sehe yay :D
 
maybe I should move to Travis
:(
 
@MadameElyse Oh. You mean it's two features. I was confused because you had been raving about the one feature before
@MadameElyse So the first feature is like the dependent-typing of SQL permissioning
 
user1804599
2:57 PM
The row-level security seems very flexible.
 
user1804599
You can use arbitrary expressions to decide whether one may see the row.
 
user1804599
-- a row should be visible to/updatable by users whose security group_id is
-- greater than or equal to the row's group_id
CREATE POLICY fp_s ON information FOR SELECT
  USING (group_id <= (SELECT group_id FROM users WHERE user_name = current_user));
CREATE POLICY fp_u ON information FOR UPDATE
  USING (group_id <= (SELECT group_id FROM users WHERE user_name = current_user));
 
user1804599
where group_id is a column in information
 
user1804599
I should also read up on these temporal features of the latest SQL standard.
 
I wish there was an OpenSource CI that didn't suck
 

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