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12:02 AM
yuck - can't seem to sleep
 
Always works for me.
 
ahh some Jarre
 
Not generally a fan of his, but that piece is gorgeous.
 
What's that piece he did in London
 
No idea
 
12:07 AM
ahhh.. Destination Docklands
Another favourite of mine: youtube.com/watch?v=DjbCNQRiy4A
 
 
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1:30 AM
Hey is anyone active at this lovely hour?
 
just me it would appear
 
 
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3:20 AM
Hi guys.. CBG
 
3:32 AM
I'm sorry, but i need to ask...
I feel like i spend way too much time on SO convincing people that i'm being sincere in my question, and humbly ask for an answer...
I even took an extra 15 min. on that question figuring out the right way to ask it...
Seriously tho. I'm really asking (unless this is off-topic for chats; in which case i withdraw my question).
 
You know what you don't really ask the question
Just state your problem.. No preamble.. No slang. Just state the problem you are having. Show that you did the research so that your question is legit and then leave it at that.
Say what you tried. end of story
Instead of "If you examine a method in python, you'll find the im_class & im_self attributes. If you look closer, you'll see that these are strong-references!" You could say. "In Python the im_class and im_self are strong references." ... You could continue by saying "By making these strongly referenced, it forces me to cautiously avoid circular-references and create work around"... Why are these strongly referenced?"
Something like that. You really beat around the bush a lot and it's hard to tell what your question is. Stuff like "Maybe i'm alone in this; but the way i figure it," is completely unnecessary
My 4 cents.
 
3:50 AM
@Johnston: In theory, you make good points; but if i put...
"By making these strongly referenced, it forces me to cautiously avoid circular-references and create work around"... Why are these strongly referenced?"
...into practice, that sounds accusatory to me. :P
 
My main point is that you need to get to the point.
 
A point well received, thanks.
 
You aren't accusitory
I think your problem is your question structure is probably why it got downvoted.
But they should provide a comment saying so
 
It wasn't until our exchange in the comments that he downvoted.--That's what makes it so frustrating!
One of the things that drew me to SO was how they cut out all the B.S.
Including the "human element".
Just questions and answers. Don't bring that weak stuff with you and leave your emotions at the door.
 
Yah. "You write accusingly, instead of inquisitively. " I don't think that's true
 
3:54 AM
But people read my questions, and take things personally. Why? This is StackOverflow! There's nothing personal here! Just questions and answers!
Ok. This little talk helped. Thanks, man.
 
I think you write like we are having a casual conversation. With lots of exclamation points. People on stack (I feel) want you to get to the point. I always follow a guide line to avoid getting downvoted. Say what you are having trouble with in one sentence. Say what you tried or state your point. Then state the main question.
When I poop it hurts. I tried not pooping, I tried laxatives, I tried a different toilet. Nothing seems to work. Why does it hurt when I poop.
Also avoid "how" questions
And "what's the best" questions
This is just my general gathered little bible of do's and don'ts I could be completely wrong.
 
Say what you are having trouble with in one sentence: When i store a class/instance's method, the classes/instance doesn't disappear when i delete references to them.
Say what you tried or state your point: {see code on original question}
 
The poop example could be better but its what came into my head at the moment.
 
Then state the main question: I examined the method and found im_self. Blah blah blah...
I think this'll work...
 
The main question should also be a one liner if possible
 
4:02 AM
That's trickier...
...but ok.
 
It's also easier for someone who is browsing the site to read.
And try not to argue with people unless it is going to help you solve your problem. You are only fueling the fire.
If someone says "you are the worst programmer ever and you should have never ever have been born" leave it be. They look like a douche that way anyways
 
Bahahahaha
That's probably the trickiest. lol
You're talking crazy right now, @Johnston...
...but it's just crazy enough to work.
 
I know I know
My teacher used to say. "Check yawself before you reck yawself"
And with that I have to get back to writing this book.
 
5:10 AM
cbg
 
 
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6:42 AM
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7:40 AM
Cbg :)
 
Cbg()
 
yield from cbg
 
'function' object is not iterable
 
7:57 AM
yield from cbg()
 
8:25 AM
cbg
so, looks like I made 200K overnight
 
Congratulations :)
 
thanks
bit of an anti-climax, I was expecting balloons and unicorns
 
@Daniel
;-)
 
@Raoul lol, thanks!
feel appreciated now
 
8:48 AM
cabbage
 
9:01 AM
 
cbg
@DanielRoseman: \o/ Congrats!
@DanielRoseman: There aren't too many 200k+ accounts around, you'll probably get sent some swag to celebrate.
Tim Post sent me some when I crossed that milestone, in any case.
 
9:18 AM
I am getting mighty sick of the attitude of many SO users towards the Stack Exchange mentorship program.
The 'why should we be bothered, we don't think women are discriminated against' attitude.
I could really use a feature like this that actually works sometimes.
 
def check_Mail(self, recipient=""):
    for i in range(0, 60, 3):
        #print("Is there mail?")
        mail = self.get_Mail(recipient)
        if mail:
            #print("There is mail?")
            mail = self.get_Mail(recipient, 1)
            #print(mail)
            return mail
        else:
            time.sleep(5)
I want the loop to return a string if i do not return mail
Does return stop the method, or just the loop? I think it's the method, but do not remember
 
@Stormie return will halt the method completely.
 
excellent, I thought as much.. ;p
It seems quiet today :c
 
Still quite early.
 
Aye
 
9:39 AM
@MartijnPieters thanks!
Yes, I was surprised that I am only the 53rd user to reach that milestone.
 
They sent me a 'shop' link with a list of swag types, but be prepared for half of those things to not be available. :-P
 
10:35 AM
We need a canonical inverse of sopython.com/canon/20
 
@MartijnPieters hmm?
really?
someone asked that?
 
@AnttiHaapala oh, so many times.
I have lists in foo, bar and baz, how do I pick one based on a string.
 
grr
anw what was that about the discrimination before
martin peters (sic) always drops something interesting in the chat but lacks context
 
10:50 AM
@MartijnPieters there is a bigger problem in say finland...
there's for example "pyladies" in helsinki
 
@Daniel congrats on the 200k :)
 
now they have 3 girls frequent meetups and all the rest are men :d
ok :D
 
I find it shocking how very aggressively the 'there is no problem' and 'don't bother me' camps are trying to push the issue out of their field of view.
 
I take back my words, it seems the upcoming meetup there seems to have more women and men :D
 
If you don't think it is a problem, just ignore. Don't come shouting how much it is distracting you. The amount of energy they put into saying it isn't a problem they want to hear about suggests to me it is a problem they desperately don't want solved, or something.
 
10:55 AM
*more women than men
 
Interesting, the print unicodevalue encode behaviour is not all that clearly documented.
 
@MartijnPieters it's the very definition of privilege, but those very same people will deny the existence of privilege.
 
@DanielRoseman Yes, Britain knows a thing or two about privilege and denial.
 
11:08 AM
hmmh i d onot know what is "privilege" :?
:D
 
@Antti I'm sorry... you don't appear to have the privilege to ask that question, so we're not allowed to answer it :)
 
@AnttiHaapala see for example whatever.scalzi.com/2012/05/15/…
 
No I just asked what does the privilege here in English mean and which one are you referring to :D
 
If you're complaining about time spent addressing a problem, and even complain the problem doesn't really exist, because that problem doesn't affect you directly, that is privilege.
 
11:17 AM
Ummm... feel sorry for the guy on this question - posted on the wrong site... doesn't deserve the downvotes imho though
 
I was just asking about the semantic of the word privilege here :D
bc I just think about the 1 translation of the word which implies that the right is given by outside force
not a native speaker :D
 
privilege can also be related to the "class system" in the UK for instance
 
@JonClements Yeah, I wouldn't vote that up, but not down either.
I added a 'welcome' to my comment to try to give a slightly friendlier tone to the 'go away' message.
 
I mean, usually privilege is translated in Finnish as etuoikeus, literally the right to do before others.
 
@Martijn I admit to voting it up (I wouldn't have done in general) but I disagreed with the downvotes
 
11:21 AM
@AnttiHaapala The outside force is culture here. The status quo.
 
so if I search for etuoikeus in this context I couldnt find really anything good, except bad translations from english texts from antifeminists
 
I've got post-epic-book-series-finish-depression from finishing Dark Tower.
 
yes, it is the sense "immunity or benefit" there
 
@Ffisegydd Arthur C Clarke's Rama series then...
 
11:25 AM
I'm tempted by Erikson
The Malazan Book of the Fallen is an epic fantasy series written by Canadian author Steven Erikson, published in ten volumes beginning with the novel Gardens of the Moon, published in 1999. The series was completed with the publication of The Crippled God in February 2011. Erikson's series is complex with a wide scope, and presents the narratives of a large cast of characters. Erikson's plotting presents a complicated series of events in the world upon which the Malazan Empire is located. Each of the first five novels is relatively self-contained, in that it resolves its respective primary conflict...
Don't even want to think I'm going to be like in 20 years time when Sanderson finishes the Stormlight Archive. Probably take a week off work and just mope around the house.
 
@Ffisegydd 3 books you have to read are Gemmel's Jon Shannow trilogy
I read them while waiting for Wolves of the Callah to come out
Wolf in Shadow is a 1987 post-apocalyptic heroic fantasy novel by British author David Andrew Gemmell. It is similar to Gemmell's first book Legend in that Legend arose from Gemmell's own illness with cancer, and Wolf in Shadow was written while he dealt with his mother's cancer and subsequent death. == Status as a Trilogy == Although initially written as a stand alone novel, Gemmell eventually expanded it into a trilogy consisting of the novels; Wolf in Shadow (1987) The Last Guardian (1989) Bloodstone (1994) == Setting == Wolf in Shadow is set in the future, three hundred years after the "fall...
 
I've read some Gemmell. Legend was awesome.
 
You'd love the Jon Shannow stuff then
It's almost Dark Tower-esque in some sense
 
I'll put it on the list.
I need something different to Dark Tower for now though.
 
It's different enough... but once you've read both... you wonder if Gan wasn't inspiring both authors with elements of the same main character :)
 
11:32 AM
@Jon have you read Wheel of Time?
That gave me serious post-epic-book-series-finish-depression.
 
@Ffisegydd nope - sounds worth it apart from the serious post-epic-book-series-finish-depression though
 
PEVSFD is bittersweet.
> "Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened." -- Dr. Seuss
 
And I (re-)learned something about Python today.
print doesn't encode Unicode values. Not even in Python 2.
Instead, Python file objects take care of this if they have an encoding attribute other than None.
 
@MartijnPieters write?
 
You cannot set that attribute, it is only ever set for the sys.std* objects.
@AnttiHaapala and read.
no, that's wrong.
on reading, it is the parser that consults the encoding.
 
11:42 AM
need to reply to a stupid email... rbrb
 
Hey guys, since the chat room is idle, if any of you are geeks who are really interested in science as a whole, check out this new Area51 proposal Scientific Imagination, and how it is supposed to be like.
 
11:55 AM
@Krumia followed :P
 
@AnttiHaapala: Thanks :)
 
12:11 PM
I have a doubt. Is there a way to make plone connect to oracle instead of ZODB
I mean, the content, the pages, articles etc will be stored in an oracle db
is that possible?
 
Arghh... it appears it's lucky that Ukraine isn't a member of NATO
All hell would be breaking lose right in eastern europe if it were...
 
@rogcg relstorage, ask @MartijnPieters stores the zodb in oracle among others,
.... though it is currently python 2 only
 
@rogcg like @Antti mentions, you won't find anyone better to answer a Zope related question than @MartijnPieters - he helped develop it :)
 
@rogcg Yup, Relstorage does that.
We commissioned Relstorage precisely because the customer wanted everything stored in Oracle.
@AnttiHaapala So is Plone, so that's easy.
 
awesome! thanks a lot!
 
thank you!
 
one thousand russian troops are now operating in the Ukraine supporting the "rebel forces"
 
:-(
Why can't we all get along.
 
@JonClements and 3 airspace violations by russian mil planes in 1 week here, guess they want to come here next
 
The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked...
... by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
But, lucky for us Ukraine didn't join NATO so Article 5 (as above) doesn't apply
 
12:27 PM
@JonClements nato members, which neither ukraine or finland currently is
 
On the other hand if Ukraine was a part of NATO it might have prevented Russia from invading.
 
@Ffisegydd well, they applied in 1994, but decided to not join in 2010 apparently
 
@Antti don't worry if Finland were invaded I'm sure the other Scandanavian countries would invade Finland too just for shits and giggles :)
 
anw, the minister of defence just issued a statement that russia must stop violating finnish airspace
 
12:29 PM
youtube.com/watch?v=gjKxsoHPoUE <- of which this sketch was made like 30 yrs ago (cc for subtitles)
 
@AnttiHaapala yeah.... 'cos... err... that'd tell them
 
Haha. "People get angry when they are mad".
 
Cabbage!
 
@Fenikso cbg!
 
@JonClements Cabbage.
 
12:35 PM
Reminds me of the "he won't die even if you kill him" that occasionally pops up in poorly translated cartoons
 
@Kevin actually it says ~many people are furious when they become angry
 
So does Europe stand aside and let this apparent invasion happen and just shrug our shoulders, stick our fingers in our ears, go "la la la la - I can't hear you!"
 
Guys, did anyone see any comparison of Qt5 vs built-in libraries of Python 3?
 
No.
 
@Fenikso what's there to compare?
 
12:39 PM
@JonClements Well, Qt can do a lot of things. I always feel overwhelmed when looking in the docs. I would like to exclude classes which are duplicate to Python's. I would also like to learn what is in there and is not in batteries included with Python.
 
@Fenikso well, I've only used Qt with C++... but I know there's a hell of a lot in it... but to detail the overlaps and best practice as to what to use where... wow... I'm busy this year I'm afraid :)
 
@JonClements Same here. I was just wondering if someone did that and the document is hiding from my Google-fu :).
How about next year? :)
 
Next year I take over the world... so will be kinda busy too :)
 
@JonClements Oh, so you ARE writing that MartijnPieters 2.0 bot? :)
 
Tkinter isn't well-documented enough to compare it to anything else, anyway
 
12:43 PM
@Kevin the best documentation I've seen is sadly from the effbot
 
The one last updated in 2007 and riddled with "TODO: add example for XYZ"? Yeah, I agree, unfortunately.
 
@Kevin Well, I am not really interested in GUI for the comparison. I use PyQt for GUI anyway. The rest of the stuff...
 
@Fenikso yup... putting self-replication ability in it this time... nothing can possibly go wrong
(has a slight bug that it's confused between helping and killing people, but we'll hopefully get that fixed before release...)
 
@JonClements Do not worry. Just call it beta. Or add really nice disclaimer.
@JonClements Or alternatively call it feature. Or "a tool limitation", that seems to be used around my circles with a great success.
 
@Fenikso like that old joke about someone saying they should add "been beta testing gmail for years now" to their CV/resume
talking about google... I haven't noticed them take any money from me for a while now
 
12:55 PM
 
oooooooo....... is that a goat?
can I bark at it and chase it?
 
Sometimes when I'm bored I search for vids of baby goats on youtube
they are so freaking cute
 
goats creep me out with their square pupils and man-like screaming.
 
Goats have square pupils?
 
For certain non-mainstream definitions of "square"
 
1:02 PM
@Daniel when you're about, can I pick your brains about a Django/inspectdb/migration question? I'm not 100% sure what to search for/to do to test myself... so can't formulate a proper SO question either... :(
umm... was going to put a bounty on that guys question
errr... anyone remember his name? Was it Peter someone?
 
I remember his charmingly retro avatar.
 
Ty
I'd just found it going back through the transcript
Right, that's done
 
I searched for "blog" in my browser history, myself. ~-comparing internet detective approaches-~
 
@JonClements sure, fire away
 
my neighbor has goats
 
1:06 PM
or maybe his goats have him?!
 
@Daniel I'm porting (yet another) PHP code base to Python... and integrating it into an existing django system
 
goats smell
 
@Antti not if you take off their nose!
 
well, there is a lot of goats... maybe he's making a goat army?
 
fainting goats are the best kind of goat.
 
1:07 PM
@Daniel so I've done an inspectdb to get the models - by default they're all managed=False
@Daniel so I think what I'm asking (bear in mind I'm not sure if I'm even asking the right question here) is how do non-managed models affect migrations?
 
yeah, that is the old joke
- Mom, can I have a goat as a pet?
- Where would you keep it?
- In my room.
- And how about the smell?
- I think the goat would get used to it.
 
hmm, but fainting goats have even creepier eyes than normal goats... It's a tradeoff.
Reminds me of:
"I got a dog with no nose"
"how does it smell?"
"Terrible!"
 
No jokes about dogs... I'm constantly reminded than I'm missing a leg and have an over-sized head... I'm sensitive about dog jokes! :p
 
@JonClements they don't, by definition: if it's non-managed, that means Django will never try to migrate it or change its database definition
but that probably isn't what you want, if you're converting the app wholesale
 
Look on the bright side. A dog with a missing leg still has more than the average human.
 
1:13 PM
@Kevin anyone with two legs has more than the average human
 
You're valiantly raising the room's legs:users ratio.
 
What I wonder is what is the ratio of 3-legged to 2-legged humans
 
@JonClements probably what you want to do instead is to remove the managed=False and create initial (fake) migrations to bring the recorded state up to the actual state
 
thinking back to elementary school statistics... "still has more than the median human"?
"than the mode human"?
 
@JonClements you should probably be developing in 1.7 which includes built-in migrations, and those will do the initial thing if you just do manage.py makemigrations
 
1:19 PM
@AnttiHaapala How do siamese twins fit into this equation?
 
@Daniel okay... digesting what you've said and checking the django version
 
@MartijnPieters twins are hardly 1 person...
 
@AnttiHaapala but they are not, physically speaking, 2 whole people either. :-P
 
yeah that too,
 
>>> django.VERSION
(1, 6, 1, 'final', 0)
@Daniel it has south though...
 
1:21 PM
but I think we are talking about legs per capita
 
@MartijnPieters I found out the other day (never liked Biology, was always a Maths/Physics/some Chemistry kind of guy) that when we're conceived, we'll all female until later on the Y chromosome may be introduced
and that's why men have nipples
 
@JonClements Perhaps, but men continue to have nipples because there is a (small) evolutionary advantage there.
Men can nurse babies if they have to (e.g. no women are around but a hungry infant is, men start lactating then).
 
Me no milk, me find woman, kill dinosaur, make fire, eat food thumps chest a few times
 
cabbage all
 
@MartijnPieters Needs scientific reference :-P
 
1:26 PM
cbg @davidism
 
@MartijnPieters And also do not tell my wife! :-D
 
@Fenikso lol... don't want her turning around one evening and going "your turn to breast feed our baby now..." or something? :)
 
user559633
good morning you wonderful people
 
which is spontaneous lactation without the need for nursing. Happens in males too.
 
user559633
men continue to have nipples because there is either no evolutionary disadvantage or an evolutionary advantage.
 
1:29 PM
@tristan Think you've got the wrong room mate. This is the mad house where we just think we're wonderful....
 
user559633
But I'm in here, so how would I know the difference @JonClements?
 
@tristan This is your last chance. After this, there is no turning back. You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes.
 
user559633
freepatentsonline.com/y2014/0196015.html in which microsoft seeks to patent expiry
 
user559633
@JonClements yeah, that's my favorite line from hackers
 
@tristan hackers? wtf!?
 
1:32 PM
@tristan or there was no mutation to take them out yet
probably they're not sex-linked
 
user559633
yeah @JonClements, hackers -- the movie in which angelina jolie is "the one" and goes around doing kung fu in sweden
 
@tristan That can't be patentable surely?
 
user559633
you know, johnny mnemonic is all like "unix, i know this"
 
user559633
@JonClements heh, you'd think, right?
 
@tristan Ahhh... and then Matthew Broderick steps in and we learn that "the only way to win is not to play?"
 
user559633
1:36 PM
I have code open in my IDE that would violate this patent
 
user559633
exactly! i knew you've seen it
 
or did he defeat the Matrix by forcing it to play tic-tac-toe... (or was that the sequel/prequel?)
 
user559633
i think the prequel
 
ahh... must re-watch the film we've just made up - hope they've got it on netflix
 
user559633
i would watch the hell out of that film
 
1:41 PM
@JonClements yes but 1.7 deals with that situation a bit more elegantly. With South you'll need to create the migrations with --initial and then run them with --fake, with 1.7 simply creating them and running them Just Works.
 
user559633
some sort of cinematic triathlon in which the attractive protagonist speeds around stockholk doing kung fu, hacking, and programming machines to play chess
 
DSM
Sounds like me on vacation, but I hate the way I look on camera.
Morning cabbage, all.
 
user559633
morning cabbage to you as well
 
user559633
"A physics experiment might soon tell us if we're living in a 2D hologram"
 
user559633
well, that's enough existential crises for one day
 
DSM
1:44 PM
Can I move all-in on the answer being no?
 
user559633
why would that not be possible?
 
I'm not interested in what kind of hardware the universe is running on, unless it gives us a clue about what exploits we can use to get into debug mode.
 
Betteridge's Law of Headlines strikes again
 
Vibrate a cesium atom at this frequency to execute a buffer overrun attack on the local quantum waveform.
 
@Daniel so I should look to migrating to 1.7 as an initial step - is there a guide you can point me to regarding that... I'm quite capable of googling, but would like to be aware of anything that might break in doing so... I assume 1.7 is backward compatible with 1.6?
 
1:47 PM
Man, I edited that post to be one line long, but it still gets ellipsified on the starred list >:-(
 
(ie: can I just upgrade the django version in the virtualenv and not worry? or...)
 
DSM
@Kevin: could drop "kind of".
 
user559633
@DanielRoseman hah, not as good as "any word becomes the opposite when you put the word 'social' before it"
 
Nice, wish I had spotted that in time. Edit window has passed.
 
I suppose my main concern would be is the migrations table/code produced by self compatible with the django migrations (has the django project assimilated south or done it by itself) - I'd dislike being a in a situation using two separate migration systems
@Kevin it ending in "into debug..." works for me :)
 
1:52 PM
Yeah, the meaning is still the same.
But... But... My artistic vision :'-(
 
We need to work out the maximum character length that a starred message can hold before being shortened and then use this as a cookie cutter in the future for @Kevin's wit.
 
It's 149, IIRC
 
That message is 152
3 letters ruined your message...
 
I need to hack up a greasemonkey script that displays "your message is too long for the starred list" as I'm typing
 
@MartijnPieters Cool. I guess.
 
DSM
1:54 PM
Okay, who gets to write the greas
 
There's already a "your message is too long" alert, so theoretically I could just copy-paste that... I bet it's obfuscated though
 
@Ffisegydd no - we should add a new room rule that states Kevin is not allowed to have starred messages
 
But Kevin's starred message power 'Murica!
 
DSM
@Kevin: must you always beat me to suggestions?
 
@JonClements I guess it would not take so long after the night we had to endure today... I am sleep-programming today. Similar to sleep-walking.
 
1:55 PM
"star" is too diminutive for my great works. People should quasar my posts.
 
@Fenikso I will admit to have fallen asleep at my desk, and wake up to find there's another hundred lines of code I have no memory of writing
 
@JonClements Django is very good about backwards compatibility, and they only drop features after a three-release cycle - so unless you were already using some features that raised DeprecationWarnings in 1.6 you won't have any trouble in 1.7. That said the full list of backwards incompatibilities is here: docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.7/releases/1.7/… - there shouldn't be anything that affects you with a new project.
 
Quasar is a great word.
 
user559633
 
@JonClements the built-in migrations were written by Andrew Godwin who was the author of South, building on his experience in that project, but they are not directly compatible. There are instructions on converting though.
 
user559633
1:57 PM
recorded on a colecovision
 
@JonClements Disturbing would be if it 1) Has no errors. 2) Works as intended. 3) You have no idea how it works...
 
@Fenikso that was the case :(
 
Would be nice to make fun of some of my colleagues. Just write bunch of itertools, regexes, and list and dictionary comprehensions to do the work perfectly :-D.
 
@Daniel okay... looks like I've got enough reference to be moving forward with... thanks for the advice - really appreciate it
 
@DSM Must be my brash and impulsive nature that leads me to publish my thoughts while they're still half-baked.
 

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