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2:01 PM
cbg
 
no problem
 
@Daniel I've used django on/off since 2005... if you're not a day to day experienced user of it... doing some stuff is quite daunting :)
 
true enough
in $DAY_JOB I'm working with Rails for some reason, and having much the same experience
 
I find that most of the time I end up thinking "there must be a way to do this - what's it called - what module would it be in etc..."
 
hi
can someone tell me what does s[77:54:-1] means? I don't know python
 
2:12 PM
@Daniel I spent hours with 6 files open in the editor before I resorted to asking this - it's things like that, that frustrate me on large projects
@Heixss I take it you do have Python installed though?
 
no.. i just want to transribde that line into java code
it's something with reverse
 
>>> s = range(100)
>>> s[77:54:-1]
[77, 76, 75, 74, 73, 72, 71, 70, 69, 68, 67, 66, 65, 64, 63, 62, 61, 60, 59, 58, 57, 56, 55]
 
thanks
 
[start:stop:stride], where start is included, stop excluded
 
Where s is 100 items, 0 - 99 (inclusive)
 
2:15 PM
so start at index 77, pick all elements counting down to index 54.
 
cool
thanks
I love this type of chats
who freaking need college
 
College is needed because they have people that are trained to educate you, while we're just albeit it experienced but generally very busy developers who aren't obligated or can't find the time to help everyone all the time :)
cbg @Wooble - how goes it?
 
just kidding I love college
they didn't "trained" me python thought
 
eh, can't complain. Although apparently I'm being horribly discriminated against without even realizing it, or something.
 
@Kevin dont you have enough stars already
 
2:24 PM
@Wooble how come?
@AnttiHaapala I would not be surprised if @Kevin accounts for 90% of the starred list
 
@JonClements: because I can't be creepy and try to use a mentoring program to meet women, or whatever these lunatics are on about.
 
@Kevin I give you upvotes for your chat comments, then I will post them as my own and get the badge, ok?
 
@wooble umm... is this that mentoring meta post that's now locked?
 
DSM
@Wooble: I think that conversation was closed yesterday here; opinions run hot on this one, it seems, and the room was divided.
 
90% sounds high to me. I might have the plurality, but not the majority.
@AnttiHaapala Well you know what they say. Good artists borrow, great artists steal.
 
2:27 PM
@Kevin How many pages does this link run to?
 
@DSM I ended up filling out the volunteer form anyway... 20 years in IT in various languages across multiple market sectors, have owned and run my own businesses for 7 years now - I have a wealth of info available that I'm willing to share for someone that's interested. Figured if I don't get the role, it's not a big shake for me really.
 
Two pages of approximately equal size.
So, 1.9ish.
 
oddly, the answers don't seem to be locked, so they're still getting comments and it's getting bumped on the meta front page. I didn't even know that was possible :/
 
@Kevin Since the total runs to 9 pages, that means you have about 20%+ percent then.
 
Sorry for the edit pings
 
2:29 PM
@Wooble which one, that 1 is unlocked it seesm
 
And if we needed any more proof both the lock and the program are necessary, we just got a flagged message about calling someone a girl.
'yay'.
@Wooble The page is not locked at the moment.
 
@Kevin you're hereby disallowed to have so many stars... because errr... the Cabbage told me to tell you that?
 
wowww, that meta post has 100+ comments. What a hot button issue!
 
must have been caching. Was displaying as a locked post, and told me comments on the question were disabled, then had add comment links on the answers.
 
Yahuh
 
2:33 PM
@Ffisegydd as part of the K&K management team, you need to tell the other K to stop getting starred... else the Cabbage will get angry
 
Sorry. I'll try to suppress my power level.
 
K continue to get starred! Stick it to the Cabbage!
 
How bout that weather, huh? Sure is relatively agreeable for this time of year!
 
DSM
Indeed. And the sporting teams I support are having a period of interesting activity.
 
Who wants to talk about bran-flavored cereal and Roth IRA accounts?
 
DSM
2:35 PM
The Cereal Wars started so gently that no one knew what was to come.
 
@DSM (reading from text scrawled on palm) "Did you see that ludicrous display last night? The thing about Arsenal is, they always try to walk it in!"
Haha. Someone's rebelling against the system.
 
on a more serious note about the starred list though - is @PeterVaro still responsible for clearing it up now and then?
 
Yep
He sorts it out pretty regularly.
 
As we've got 408 (well we had less than that before the uprising!) I'm not sure we need that many... especially images
 
We do talk a lot though.
 
2:39 PM
In a very highly productive and professional way might I add
Does anyone want to hear how my attempt to teach the carrots to sing opera went?
 
DSM
Please don't let the crickets you're hearing discourage you.
 
/me watches the tumbleweed blow across the room about his last statement
 
I can't reply to anything, for fear that it might be starred. Just imagine what I might say, and act based on that.
 
user559633
@JonClements carrots doesn't make sense in that sentence, salad language or otherwise
 
2:46 PM
@tristan well... I've got a set of singing potatoes... I was trying to do the same with the carrots
Phone call from Birmingham apparently
 
user559633
potato is "how are you"
 
don't know the number... they can leave a message if it's serious
 
user559633
i have finally lost my marbles
 
DSM
Maybe someone found them in Birmingham but only had Jon's number at hand. Would explain everything.
 
@tristan welcome to insanity my friend - you're in the right place :)
 
user559633
2:48 PM
 
DSM
Kondō Kōji just came up on the playlist. Swiftly approved!
 
What tune?
I assume we are talking about Nintendo's Koji Kondo
 
3:04 PM
Anyone here in a position to test some Python shenanigans on Windows?
 
@Martijn I'm sadly on Windows at the moment
 
@JonClements Can you try to see if stackoverflow.com/a/25551786/100297 actually works? :-P
 
should I maybe import sys? :)
 
Sounds like a good idea :-)
 
After import sys - it runs - no errors
 
3:07 PM
Great, thanks.
 
I'm trying to figure out how OP can tell the difference between \r\n and \n just by looking at the command line window.
 
Magic
 
@Kevin Good question, ask that in a comment! :-)
I'm assuming they are redirecting the output.
 
Oh... forgot about the daily ritual...
@Ffisegydd STEWIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Oh yeah.
@Jon BRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIAN!
 
3:09 PM
That's my first guess as well. Some kind of myscript.py >> output.txt thing, perhaps.
 
Cool - that's that out of the way then
 
user559633
i'd buy a book entitled "javascript: the adequate parts"
 
@tristan I wouldn't buy a zero page book
 
OOOOOOOOOOOH SNAP!
 
user559633
you're thinking of 'PHP: the good parts"
 
3:11 PM
That's the third time I voted to keep the mentorship post open.
 
user559633
 
Aug 11 at 8:39, by Ffisegydd
user image
 
user559633
@MartijnPieters but it's about something offsite
 
I'm wondering if more people are using pickle or I'm just getting random upvotes for a "you should have read the documentation" answer
 
@tristan It is about the Stack Overflow community.
 
3:13 PM
wb @PsychO
 
Oh haha thanks :)
 
Hello fellas :)
 
@Martijn I volunteered anyway - even despite my postive-discrimation/action rantings
 
user559633
But it's a mentorship not at Stack Overflow and not Stack Overflow hosted.
 
@tristan But it is trying to find people passionate about mentoring programmers.
There is a lot of those at Stack Overflow.
Oh, and it is their site.
 
user559633
3:14 PM
If I created a post about trying to find people to mentor Raspberry Pi hacking in NYC, it would get closed.
 
user559633
Sure, this is the "brass tacks, we own this ship and you're just contributing content at no cost to us" resolution.
 
user559633
Which is fine, whatever, and ultimately, I don't care and would offer my time if I had it to spare, but to pretend it's anything other than Stack saying "hey, we're letting this happen, even though similar posts will/would be closed" is pretty eyeroll-inducing.
 
@tristan that's pretty much my entire view of it.
(Oh and I think they should ask the women what their preference is for gender of mentor as opposed to just assuming they will instantly want a woman, but someone has already suggested this and I think it's been accepted)
 
We need a metametastackoverflow so we can determine what kind of posts to allow on metastackoverflow.
 
Turtles all the way down.
 
user559633
3:22 PM
Anyway. If it was presented as "yes, this is positively discriminating to strongly correct for past biases," then fine -- the only problem I have is that it's being paraded under the banner of equality while the act of stating a gender-preference for mentors and excluding all straight-male participants. It's just hypocritical and pretending it's not just hurts my brain.
 
DSM
@TheSoundDefense: went off to do some work -- but yeah, it was a long dose of Zelda.
 
@DSM Ahh, excellent.
 
We had this debate last night. I recall it being said and done @tristan?
 
user559633
Anyway, anyone have a link to it? I want to forward it to a couple women that I feel would benefit from it
 
user559633
@JonClements this one is civil and people aren't trying to be hyperbolic or amusing this time
 
user559633
Oh, it's only for women that graduated from flatiron. Okay, maybe I'll try to start my own.
 
I think we're doing it wrong where we talk about a post for half an hour and then provide a link.
 
user559633
Most of us were familiar with it.
 
@DSM Speaking of Zelda music. I was surprised to learn that if you play the theme song to Skyward Sword backwards, you can hear Zelda's Lullaby. That's an interesting way to make a callback.
 
So...
 
3:27 PM
I also learned recently that if you stand in one particular spot in Link's Awakening for two minutes without moving, it plays Totaka's Song. I do love learning about easter eggs in games that I thought had no more secrets.
 
sup @IntrepidBrit you beautiful person.
 
Cabbage @Ffisegydd
(and the rest of you sleezy geezers too, I guess...)
 
Cabbage @All
 
nods, returns to sleezing
 
user559633
hi hi
 
3:30 PM
wired.com/2014/08/silicon-valley-sexism may be of interest given the current discussions.
 
user559633
"The female cofounder of Tinder was allegedly harassed and erased from corporate history last year. " feigned shock
 
Can't we all just get along :-(
 
Unfortunately, no.
 
Okay - note to self - don't mutter "what a wanker" until the call is definitely ended...
 
Can't we all just build tremendous hermetically sealed domes around cities separated by demographic :-(
 
3:33 PM
Unfortunately, no. ^
 
@Ffisegydd Sure you didn't mean bonnie person?
 
@Ffisegydd good article, although it idealizes Indian history a bit. Also the comments are (predictably) depressing: "what about the menz?"
 
@IntrepidBrit whit ye daein ya dobber? :p
 
DSM
@Jon: maybe it's depression after Sunderland's win?
 
@JonClements Dobber is the best word ever.
@JonClements Pure tryan tae get Blaetith tae no be wide
 
3:35 PM
globally connected pocket communicators and robot vacuum cleaners and higgs bosons are pretty nice, but I won't consider us to be "living in the future" until there are way more domes than we have now.
 
@IntrepidBrit Sorry - not even the babel fish in my ear translated that one :)
@Kevin then get yourself in order and get the sopython colonisation of Mars sorted out... for deity's sake man!
 
"Just trying to get [untranslatable] to not be wide"
Bluetooth?
 
DSM
Yep. I just imagine he sounds like my grandmother.
 
@Kevin That's the one!
 
3:37 PM
@Ffisegydd been there... it's fantastic
 
I feel like we've had this conversation before. One of you is the nephew of an eccentric dome magnate, as I recall.
 
Yeah my Dad was the Snr Engineer :P
 
DSM
?! That is awesome. How am I not aware of this fact?
 
That's it.
 
100% in math today!!
 
3:38 PM
I just had the relation and profession wrong...
 
DSM
I'm calling "eccentric dome magnate" as the phrase of the day.
 
Two nuns are driving down the road when Dracula jumps out.
"Quickly," says the first, "show him your cross".
The other winds down the window, leans out and yells "Get out of the road you dumb vampire!"
 
got 3 high A's, 2 high B's, and 1 low B
 
I expected nothing less from you, @PsychOPhobiA! :-)
 
@Kevin What do you mean?
 
3:40 PM
I had great faith in your abilities, is all.
 
@PsychOPhobiA What exams?
 
@IntrepidBrit I am 13 and in 8th grade. What do you mean by exams, like classes?
 
Do they have final exams in 8th grade? I'm too old to remember.
 
We had SATs in Year 9.
 
Um... 8th grade = year 9 = S3
Ah, too young for Standard Grades ;)
Sorry, took awhile to mentally translate
 
3:44 PM
I'm utterly mystified by the schooling system of all countries other than my own.
 
Hehe ^
 
Now I feel really old. None of my report cards were electronic.
 
user559633
pass? why not an A
 
Back in the day where you could simply throw the card in the recycling bin and your parents are none the wiser.
 
Hehe well I am online schooler but I am not sure what pass is.
Maybe I passed the class.
 
3:46 PM
Yah non of mine were electronic either.
 
user559633
no, that's the instructor *pass*ing on grading you
 
My uni ones were.
 
@Kevin I am often horrified by school systems.
 
Cos I'm young and hip and "with it"
 
I used to take tests on those scantrons
 
user559633
3:47 PM
my uni grades were so impressed that they just chiseled them on a plaque in the yard
 
My mate's kids do their homework online - some of it on a website for maths and such, and some of it submitted via email
 
DSM
Aargh, I remember our class grades were posted by student number. But I was the only student among hundreds to have 4 as the third digit for reasons that were never explained. So everyone knew exactly how well I'd done for four years. :-/
 
@JonClements My school is like that ^
 
Yeah my sister was the same. I used to do her maths homework for her.
 
Then my mate's can login to a separate "Parent" account and see their grades/scores/notes from the teachers etc...
 
3:48 PM
I view most schools as an attempt to find a middle ground that will work adequately for a very diverse set of students, but isn't optimal for any of them.
 
That sounds like a fair assessment.
 
@Kevin I think @Martijn has the right approach
I didn't like school... skived off a lot
I love learning... but in a practical, needs to be useful sense, rather than abstract sense
 
Most useful class I took in high school was typing :-) doubled my WPM and I use it every day.
In comparison, these days I write very few five paragraph persuasive essays about the symbolism in The Scarlet Letter.
(the rose bush represents innocence)
 
"See students, if we put this bit of sodium in a beaker with water, it blows up" - great thanks, I'll remember that when I'm next cooking food, paying the mortgage and balancing my incoming/outgoings
 
@Kevin Which is one of the reasons our kids are unschooled.
e.g. they lead their own education, we as parents facilitate.
rather than direct and set the curriculum we let them decide what they want. Kids have a innate need to learn, and in my experience and research schools destroy that need rather than go with it.
However, I'll try not to bore everyone to death with the subject.
 
3:55 PM
@Martijn I think that's the exact reason I didn't like school
 
There's a good saved convo for anyone who wants to hear about it btw
 
So what are you guys trying to say in this discussion right now?
 
@Martijn I would have loved to have done maths, physics, chemistry and English literature lessons every day
 
@JonClements I ended up in HAVO, which is sorta highschool for those that go into practical studies, only because of the weight of subjects I was not interested in.
 
But then, having French, German, Latin, Geography, History, Business Studies, Psychology and all that... it gives a somewhat more "broad" view of things
 
3:59 PM
In year 4 you were permitted to pick your subjects finally. Halfway through the year I was offered to step up to VWO, which is the university track.
 
Nice ^
 
I had the option at GCSE level to take "Science" (1 qualification) or "Separate Sciences" (3 qualifications)
(I use the word "qualification" very loosely here)
so, I took separate, purely because it meant I could drop history, and also I hated biology (which would have accounted for a third of a single test), so I aced physics and chemistry and just ignored the biology classes.
Now... do I get a takeaway or actually start using some of the food in the fridge and cupboards
 
Going to this restaurant called Grillstock tonight.
It's incredible.
It's just meat.
 
a charcoal grill kinda thing?
 
BBQ grill place.
 
4:06 PM
errr... posted that before you posted the link
 
So good.
 
I have a dumb question, how do you know if a user is authenticated on a single page app?
 
@corvid the same way you would on a multi-page app
@Ffisegydd I'm jealous... wish there was a place near me that did that kinda stuff
 
but if someone clicks log in, logs in, and it returns OK, then logs out, doesn't that imply I have to keep a variable on the front end for their authentication?
 
We'll have sopycon at Bath and get the food from Grillstock.
 
4:08 PM
Use to quite often have lunch at a burger/steak/meat place in Camden... fantastic
@Ffisegydd Okay, I'll win the lottery Saturday, and we'll fly everyone over the week after...
 
Yeah cool.
I'll book the conference pub.
 
How do you take raw bytes from say a GIF and turn the signature into a string instead of just ints?
 
@Ffisegydd after winning the lottery - why don't we just buy the pub?
come on Stewie - deal with reality mate :)
 
Yeah ok. I know a good one called The Star which has been a pub since 1500s.
 
Restaurants are horrible investments.
 
4:12 PM
@Johnston look at pillow/PIL - you're being able to get them to open images and return the raw data in various ways
@Ffisegydd did we just buy it and rename it from Raven to Star all of a sudden?
 
I am more talking about just reading raw data.
 
I linked the wrong pub.
Actually we can buy both, they're both awesome pubs.
 
@Ffisegydd your "really good" pub - that's so good, you got its name wrong? Sounds a promising investment
 
I love both Raven and Star.
They're both amazing.
 
Raven Star - could be a new Dr Who character
 
4:14 PM
@PsychOPhobiA (just general aimless chatter about education ;) )
 
@Johnston just read the file then
 
Hehe ^
 
@Jon I think I'm gonna get LOCKJAW BURGER - Two 5oz burgers, pulled pork, beef brisket, burnt ends, melted cheese, house pickles & fry sauce
 
@Ffisegydd can you feel my wave of jealously tiding over you... I'm sure it's transmitting to the entire globe right now
 
bahahaha.
 
4:22 PM
@Ffisegydd I will place a single rose on your grave every August 28
 
taunting a puppy with food he can't eat is an evil act!
@TheSoundDefense that's kind... I'm kinda busy tonight, but I'm fairly sure Stewie is going to have an "accident" quite possibly the 3rd Sep - is that convenient for you every year?
 
"(Just because of its name: Assimp renders your program sexier)" - Well that sounds attractive.
Source: Assimp.org
 
@MartijnPieters I hate the gaming community sometimes
 
I am a gamer
You hate me?
 
DSM
4:26 PM
@PsychOPhobiA: how'd you get there from what TSD said?
 
@PsychOPhobiA can you give me biscuits?
 
user559633
what the f. i don't think this is harassment in tech, this is psychopaths and dangerous morons using tech
 
@DSM Because I am a gamer and has always been and he insulted us gamers.
 
@TheSoundDefense It is not just limited to the gaming community.
Mary Beard, Cambridge University historian was famously trolled on twitter and outed her troll.
 
"Those who love MineCraft cheer in the light while those of haters grow angrier and angrier in the dark" - Asues
@JonClements Here ya go... buttery biscuits.
 
4:28 PM
Nothing to do with computers, everything with misogyny and perceived anonymity of the online world.
 
user559633
someone big in the chef community is quitting tech for a while because of threats
 
@PsychOPhobiA what you just said is EXACTLY the reason I hate the gaming community sometimes.
 
@PsychOPhobiA do you have some with dog friendly chocolate?
 
DSM
@PsychoOPhobia: sometimes hating how a community behaves is not the same as hating someone in that community, and not an insult to you. That I'm a member of some community doesn't mean that everyone is obligated to approve of everything that goes on in my community lest they be accused of insulting me.
 
@Ffisegydd having seen MC mentioned again... shall I put a new server up on sopython ?
 
4:30 PM
@PsychOPhobiA can you honestly not perceive that there is a difference between hating the actions of a community and hating every single member of that community, which includes myself?
@PsychOPhobiA or is that your automatic defense mechanisms to deflect any criticism that could possibly be construed as disapproving of how you behave?
 
@JonClements I could stand to play another round.
 
@Kevin you are allowed to sit down while playing minecraft
 
user559633
@TheSoundDefense I'm pretty sure that you're debating with a very young person, just to keep that i mind.
 
DSM
@tristan: you know webby stuff, yes?
 
@TheSoundDefense Nice comeback but maybe you could have been a bit more descriptive on who you hate within the community rather than saying something plain.
 
user559633
4:31 PM
@DSM yeah, what's up buddy?
 
@tristan that's possible, for some reason I had an impression that everyone on SO was my age or older. I don't know why.
 
It will probably end the same way - I make a garden growing all the things, then get bored when there's nothing more to cultivate.
 
user559633
@PsychOPhobiA can you take it offline? i don't care
 
But just because I know the destination, doesn't mean I can't enjoy the journey.
 
@PsychOPhobiA you can assume that it was because of the link that was posted, that I was replying to.
 
4:32 PM
@Ffisegydd any objection if I do so ?
 
It's entirely up to you @Jon. I probably won't play myself as I don't have the time and when I do have the time I have other games if I play.
 
@TheSoundDefense That'd be a reasonable assumption if you are 13.
 
I played Minecraft for a little bit and it was fun but I couldn't really get into it.
 
Eventually we'll start using more resources on the server of course so when it comes to that we'll have to look at it again.
 
@tristan "Respect is more grand, than those who fall within" - sources...
 
user559633
4:33 PM
I don't know why you're telling me that.
 
@Ffisegydd well, we're paying for 6 cores and 8gb ram and near 200gb disk... and we're using f* all really...
haven't seen it go over 3% cpu yet
 
user559633
@JonClements which host? is this resources borrowed from the Martijn identity?
 
True. I mean I think even once Nidaba is up it'll probably not use the full capabilities of the server day-to-day.
The intensive part is going to be the initial training of the models.
 
@tristan "I don't care" maybe just saying this alone "Can you take it offline?" already means I don't care in a nice way :)
 
As I said it's up to you boyo mine.
 
4:34 PM
@Ffisegydd well, if nidaba really takes off, we'll need more resources
 
"A gamer is smart. The gaming community are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it!" -- Men in Black (paraphrased)
 
Thank you @Kevin.
 
@TheSoundDefense I am smart.
Thank you very much :0
 
@Ffisegydd until then, I just think we've got a reasonably powerful server that's not doing much... might as well make it do something... it's the same cost if it does nothing or does a lot
 
50% Minecraft, 50% bitcoin mining
 
4:36 PM
@PsychOPhobiA you are smart, because you're here on SO and helping contribute. But you don't need to be so defensive. I hate things that the gaming community does sometimes. It doesn't mean I hate the individual people in it. Good people can act in bad ways.
 
user559633
@PsychOPhobiA Yeah, I don't really want to read another silly fight about the ~~video game community~~ and it's obvious that this isn't going to be productive.
 
Well that was really intense. But maybe because you guys have decades of knowledge you can out smart me.
In that case I still lose.
 
heh. this discussion took a weird turn.
/lurked around
 
There's no losing here, just a wonderful journey of discovery we're all on together :-)
 
@PsychOPhobiA well whenever someone loses an argument, are they not just learning things they did not know?
 
4:37 PM
*There's no winning here
Everyone loses.
 
@Ffisegydd we're all mad here
 
user559633
Oh, I thought we were trying to crash the ship upon rocks given the past two days
 
When one stands on the cliff overlooking the well of insanity and jumps willingly - one is finally free :)
 
user559633
sopython: what is dead may never die
 
user559633
i want to open a bakery called : "what is bread is sometimes rye"
 
4:44 PM
@TheSoundDefense Well to answer your question. Yes, they will learn things that they did not know. If they were not to learn anything from an argument what was the point of the argument or arguing at all?
 
@tristan and: "our done buns can't be undone"?
cbg @Jerry
 
@PsychOPhobiA worst case scenario, they argue to prevent themselves from learning or changing. They tend to be loud and angry and violent.
 
Arguments where both parties refuse to change their minds can still serve as a signaling exercise. Effectively both shouting "look how strongly I believe in this thing! Other members of my group should respect me!"
 
@PsychOPhobiA that's what people are doing to Anita Sarkeesian, as far as I can tell.
 
Server appears to be running
Yup - definitely appears to work - logged in and I'm on top of a tree in an island in the middle of an ocean
that's normally the luck I get
 
4:56 PM
Island spawns can be fun :-) Kind of a Cast Away vibe. Survive with these limited resources!
 
I love islands.
As they're small enough that you can basically build on the entire thing and make it look awesome
Are you gonna whitelist it @Jon? Might want to make a wiki post with who to contact for access.
 
Yeah, was just making some changes to the config
Well... don't really want to advertise it as such
we'll all get admin rights to the server anyway, so we can grant on an as-is basis
 
Only allow people we know in
But otherwise how will people know? Then again people are unlikely to read the wiki randomly
 

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