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12:07 PM
quantum physics is so much more fun, just sayin' ;D
 
@TheQuantumPhysicist A few of us work in data, though I don't think I know anyone here who is a quant.
 
@AndrasDeak True, but I hate begging for research money ^_^
@Ffisegydd I was told that DSM is a quant
 
And by quant I'm using the definition of a data-y person that works in finance specifically.
 
Yes, quantitative analyst
@Ffisegydd What do you work with? Could you please explain? What kind of data?
 
I work for a cyber security company doing data-y things.
 
12:11 PM
@Ffisegydd What does that mean?
 
data-y is even better a word than truthy
@TheQuantumPhysicist he's the NSA;)
 
@TheQuantumPhysicist what does what mean?
 
what's data-y?
lol! hehehe! NSA?
 
I'm using data-y as a catchall term for people that work with data, whether that is science, analysis, development, etc.
 
@Ffisegydd Are you originally a physicist?
 
user559633
12:13 PM
the NSA = the no strings attached. he's not the kind of doctor you take home to mom (if she is sick, because he's not that kind of doctor)
 
Yes.
 
I'm a physicist and I'm sick of research. I thought of becoming a quant because I'm very good at programming and computers + I love math and have lots of experience with optimization problems and statistics
I just finished my PhD at end 2014, and my current postdoc contract will finish at the end of this year
 
Do you really mean quant or do you just mean "data science"?
 
So I'm thinking of changing careers, and I'd love to hear more about new stuff
Well, I want something new, and so far quant (quantitative analyst) seemed to be right for me. I'm not sure about data science, unless you tell me about it :-)
 
You can find plenty of articles about data science online, but in a nutshell - a quant is a data scientist that works in finance.
 
12:16 PM
I see!
 
So if you extrapolate "quantitative analyst" to any other possible industry then you'll get "data science"
 
@Ffisegydd Is there a difference in pay between quants and generally data scientists?
 
I don't know.
 
@Ffisegydd Where do you live/work, if you don't mind me asking?
 
That's a pretty much unanswerable question.
@TheQuantumPhysicist I do.
 
DSM
12:18 PM
Sorry, got distracted into a question which is an obvious dup except for one aside which makes it a much trickier problem, and the guy who gunned it gave a nonsensical answer to the aside. :-/
 
Where I live and work is not secret, it can be found trivially, but I don't actively give it out.
 
@DSM Hey man. I heard you're a quant. Do you mind talking a little bit about your job?
@Ffisegydd OK :) Sorry!
 
cabbage
in for today's meeting \o/
 
@Ffisegydd What skills does one need to get such a job?
 
DSM
@TheQuantumPhysicist: I wouldn't say I was a quant, although I admit I've done some quanty things. I worked at an analysis firm, and sometimes we did the traditionally quanty stuff, although mostly even when we were doing economic modelling I wouldn't associate what we did quite so closely with what my quant friends do.
 
12:21 PM
@DSM I would like to know what skills one needs to become a quant, entry level.
Could you help me with that?
@DSM As I'm really interested, I'd like to take a vacation and read more about this topic. But I don't know how far I should go.
 
Learn enough to put the quant in quantum physicist
 
Someone told me that entry-level people get trained before they start. So as long as I'm a good programmer and mathematician, I'm in
 
Again that will depend on the company.
 
DSM
That's like asking "what do I need to become a physicist?" :-) There's lots of stuff to learn, and the important stuff depends on what kind of quant you're getting into.
 
Oh, there are "kinds" of quants... I thought it's like one thing
But how do I get more qualified than others? That's my main concern.
 
12:24 PM
I think you need to do some more reading on this before you decide to dedicate your life to it :P
@TheQuantumPhysicist what others? There can only ever be one "most qualified".
And qualified in what?
 
@Ffisegydd I am planning to take a vacation for it. I'm just trying to get as much information about it as possible :-)
 
hmhmh
 
And what do you even mean by qualified? Do you mean literal qualifications or do you mean experience?
Also quick question: who told you that DSM was a quant?
 
YOU'RE a quant. #gotyourback
 
@Ffisegydd Someone here, long time ago (a month or two)
 
DSM
12:26 PM
... that seems like a strange perspective to me, TQP. But if I had to put my finger on one thing that capital-Q quants have that most other analysts don't, it's stochastic calculus. (Like lots of fields, you can get by with just a practical sense of it, even if your theory is weak.)
 
Mar 29 at 1:13, by Joe Kington
Quant seems like fun stuff! You should talk to DSM
 
There it's ^_^
You see, my situation is: I'm sick of research, I'm looking for something else to do. Quant seems to be the thing I'd enjoy most.
That's all I know for now!
but until then, I'm asking here and there :)
I have a few books and references about it, and planning to do much of reading about it soon
 
DSM
There are indeed lots of physicists who have made the jump. Whether it's as interesting as all that, only you can say: TBH I find the finance-related parts of it excruciatingly dull.
 
I would do the reading before you commit to a vacation to study.
At least do some of the reading.
 
@Ffisegydd Honestly, me being busy with research 24/7 is why I'm leaving it... I'm sick of it!
If I don't work 24/7 I don't finish anything!
 
user559633
12:29 PM
a vacation? how quant
 
DSM
Umm.. you think a successful quant career has more free time?
 
I would love to have 8-10 working hours, 5 days a week, and then be free!
@DSM I'm hoping so :S
 
DSM
Well, if there's one group of people known for stress-free lives, it's low-level number drones in finance firms. :-P
 
That's good news... xD
 
bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Yeah I'd stick in academia if you want an easier life as compared to being a quant.
 
12:31 PM
So you're telling me I'm gonna spend the rest of my life working with no stop...
 
Doctor Strange trailer with Eggs Benedict Cucumberpatch, and he can actually do an American accent now (but still not a Boston accent)
 
Yeah saw that this morning. Looks good.
 
user559633
bahston accent? vote quimby
 
I have a bahstan accent because I'm wicked smaht
 
well I can't tell a 'Murican accent from another
 
12:37 PM
Whenever I need to internalise a Boston accent I just think of The Departed.
 
maybe Texan-like ones
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd yeah leo can't do a boston accent or act
 
Don't be jelly.
 
DSM
@TheQuantumPhysicist: don't get me wrong, there are lots of quant dev jobs which have sane time requirements. Like most things, there's a wide enough distribution that anything anyone says about it is probably true for some subset. But I really don't think the median has less associated work than a typical postdoc.
 
user559633
whenever i try to do a boston accent it gets away with me and i end up deep down the path of "mommah-mia luigi and-ah mario we here-ah to fixa the pipes and save-ah the princess"
 
user559633
12:40 PM
go sax
 
Why is boston only famous for crime movies? The Departed, The Boondock Saints, Black Mass, Spotlight...
 
Ted.
 
user559633
i think because southie and-ah medfid
 
user559633
the only other thing boston would be famous for is girls from surburban fly-over states screaming "wooo" and talking about how a semester abroad really "opened their eyes"
 
And crows.
 
user559633
12:42 PM
so many crows
 
there is only one crow in boston
 
Crows circling the King Crow on his Black Throne.
 
user559633
 
@DSM Well, at least I'll be paid well if the amount of stress is the same
 
user559633
pictured: a man that knows nothin
 
12:43 PM
His chamberlain strikes his Staff Of Crowffice, a hush falls over the gathered crowd. The Great Crow King stands and bellows out "Guys how do I do this thing in Javascript?"
 
user559633
ygritte.js
 
DSM
Oh, wait. The meeting is this morning? Ah, it's 3:00 UTC.
 
Ruh roh.
 
3 UTC? that's 5 CET
10 hours ago?
 
1500 UTC.
 
user559633
12:45 PM
How many UTCs in a litre?
 
DSM
A tonne of feathers.
 
something something fahrenheit
 
RANKINE!
 
user559633
How many tonnes in a crumpet?
 
@DSM No, it's after 2 hours
It was postponed
 
12:48 PM
Wuh?
 
DSM
@TheQuantumPhysicist: it's 3:00 PM UTC, which is 11:00 AM EDT, I think. I didn't notice it was UTC originally, so I was surprised that it was this morning for me.
 
what else? (nespresso)
 
Very inconsiderate of us to use universal time, we should use DSM-time.
 
DSM
It'd be appreciated. (smh)
 
Zorblax laughs at your universal time.
 
12:49 PM
We'll bring it up at the meeting.
 
DSM
UTC AOB FTW
 
you're using UTC but cannot use 24-hour clock???
 
Badminton tonight \o/
 
OK let's be clear... I said 17:00 UTC... ^_^
 
@AnttiHaapala Numbers past 12 don't exist, by decree of the Great Crow King.
 
12:51 PM
okie
 
DSM
I have to go the gym this afternoon instead of this morning because of the meeting. Thanks, people of Earth!
 
One day the rest of mankind will catch up with your genius of using pie charts as markers on a scatter plot.
Baby steps!
 
py charts!
 
DSM
I only hope it's soon enough that my genius can be publicly appreciated.
 
Apr 7 at 19:38, by Ffisegydd
Truly great artists are not appreciated in their time, they're appreciated 30 seconds later by a hungover Welshman.
 
12:58 PM
Morning cabbage.
 
Morgan cabbage
 
Is anyone else having intermittent connection problems with this chat room (and the transcript)?
 
Sometimes it acts weird
refresh and try
 
Hey, @Kevin, if you're looking for a new gif to try to replicate, here's a cool one
 
1:17 PM
I saw a gif with a fish-eyed lens effect not too long ago and I bet that requires quite some math.
 
I saw a gif with a cat on it once...
 
@MattDMo not a cat, kitten...
 
I guess that sounded rather bland but I meant the effect was being moved over the image, if that makes any sense to you..
 
circles oscillating between adjacent lattice points of the hilbert curve... I think I can do that.
 
@Programmer Maybe not, stereographic projections are pretty simple, math-wise. Here's one I prepared earlier...
The base image is a tiling pattern created by Escher that I scanned from Gödel, Escher, Bach
 
1:38 PM
Someone may need to take the gavel for the meeting. I should be around for most of the first hour but then I'll be off to badminton.
 
treestand?
 
Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Fizzy.
 
user559633
I can moderate, I suppose
 
You missed the be out of that sentence.
 
1:42 PM
You gotta hold Fizzy's heavy hammer.
 
user559633
I tried to reduce the noise last time by a pseudo-vote...thing for general consensus and it wasn't liked by at least poke, so if anyone has ideas on how to reduce the number of voices, I'd be interested
 
@tristan You need to drink copious amounts of gin to moderate! Ask nicely and Fizzy will hand you the hammer as well as a good bottle of gin :)
 
user559633
pff moderation is boring
 
user559633
it's 9:44am here...
 
What's your point?
 
user559633
1:43 PM
that i've already started with the whiskey
 
@tristan bah - it's 5o'clock somewhere!
 
Cabbage @Jon \o
 
Just wanted to say hello, now that I am allowed to chat. =)
 
hello
 
1:45 PM
hello
 
so how hard do you code? do you code hard...with a vengeance?
 
I try? lol
 
live free or code hard?
I feel like this was done already....
 
FWIW, the core of the code which generated that image is
#R: radius of bounding circle
#x, y; coordinates in output image
#x_in, y_in: coordinates in input image
#cx, cy: centre coordinates in input image
r2 = x*x + y*y
m = R2 - r2
x_in = (cx + x*r*scale/m) % mx
y_in = (cy + y*r*scale/m) % my
 
user559633
code hard 2: code compiler
 
user559633
1:49 PM
live free and die hard
 
user559633
yeah we did this before
 
adds penalties for repeating jokes to agenda
 
That's not the real code, just a quick translation into Python from C code that I wrote in 1994. :)
 
You have code lying around from 1994? You monster.
 
@idjaw 'Fraid so. :)
 
1:53 PM
@PM2Ring Hmm, maybe I misjudged. I wish I had the image bookmarked somewhere...
 
Actually, I'm not quite sure what cx and cy are supposed to be, my comments in that source file are somewhat terse. :) The x and y values use an origin in the centre of the image, and the default cx = cy = -1.0. And the default scale is 1.0
 
@idjaw Whoa whoa whoa.
Pipe down there.
The sublime art of joke referencing should not be penalised.
Where would we be as people without @DSM and his Llanfair? (sorry for the pings)
 
@idjaw I've got C source older than that on an ancient SCSI drive in an Amiga 2000, which is packed away in a box. I migrated some of my old favourites onto my PC when I first started using Linux, but never got around to migrating all of it. I suppose I should set up the Amiga one of these days and see if it still works...
 
@PM2Ring TBH I'm actually impressed you still have this all saved.
 
:)
 
1:59 PM
@Ffisegydd I want to drink with you.
 
I know.
 
Mind you, reading one's 20+ year old code can be an embarrassing exercise. :)
 
haha. I think I'm going to have to see if I can dig up some of my old code
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd alright there Han Solocup
 
Thanks. It was getting kind of weird that no one had acknowledged my top class joke there.
 
user559633
2:05 PM
i got you
 
Feeling a bit awkward for you all.
 
@tristan I reckon using stars during the meeting to indicate that you agree is a good idea. And we can always go back later and clean up the stars, if desired.
 
user559633
okay, so we'll just watch stars real time
 
user559633
am i moderating for this one?
 
Shotgun not me.
 
user559633
2:07 PM
I haven't seen vaultah around much lately. I hope he comes about
 
The downside is that stars can indicate an upvote, but we don't have a similar simple way to indicate a downvote. But I guess we can handle that for important things by posting both a positive and a negative alternative and let people star the one they agree with
 
user559633
There's only one contentious item on there, as far as I can see, and it will ultimately come down to RO opinion, I think
 
3 was a suggestion from an anonymous source.
 
user559633
That's the one.
 
I can't divulge the person who suggested it, but I can say it was delivered by writing on a Scottish flag and stuffing it inside a haggis.
But we can talk about it later, if he's not around I'll explain it all
 
user559633
2:12 PM
sounds good
 
I love haggis
 
hi guys, so yesterday I was discussing this with Wayne Werner too, I wanted to add comments to a JSON data and I was told to do something like this: some_data = """{"firstname" : "summer", "lastname" : "night", "@comment" : "This is the universe"}""". However the @comment key still gets encoded as a JSON key when I do json.loads on it
 
Yes it would do.
 
oh, I somehow got the idea that the @KEY would not get encoded and hence could be used like a comment thing
:(
 
Yeah that's not a thing.
 
user559633
2:15 PM
json doesn't have comments
 
user559633
i feel like we're saying that a lot lately
 
Man don't you think it would be nice if JSON supported comments? what do you guys think?
 
The only thing you can do is strip out any keys called @comment after doing your json.loads.
No.
 
user559633
use yaml if you want comments
 
JSON is a lightweight message format that is computer readable and also quite human readable.
 
user559633
2:16 PM
JSON is already piggy enough
 
43 mins left, Is the schedule still "tentative"?
 
yeah yaml is good too
 
user559633
want to add anything @BhargavRao?
 
user559633
or are you asking about the time?
 
@tristan was speakin bout the pinned message to the right side
 
2:17 PM
import json
def recursively_remove_keys_with_at_signs(obj):
    if isinstance(obj, dict):
        return {k: recursively_remove_keys_with_at_signs(v) for k,v in obj.items() if not k.startswith("@")}
    elif isinstance(obj, list):
        return [recursively_remove_keys_with_at_signs(item) for item in obj]
    else:
        return obj

s = """{"firstname" : "summer", "lastname" : "night", "@comment" : "This is the universe"}"""
d = json.loads(s)
d = recursively_remove_keys_with_at_signs(d)
print d
Problem solved.
 
user559633
but what if i initialize a comment with # ?
 
Then I'll find you, and bad things will happen.
 
So how does the meeting work? Is it in this room and it just gets locked for the duration of the meeting?
 
user559633
@idjaw Is this your first meeting?
 
yes
 
user559633
2:18 PM
omg awesome
 
If by "lock" you mean "tepidly shush anyone coming in with non-meeting business", then yes
 
What is the meeting about? I have never been to one :)
 
user559633
okay, two things. first, you should have probably started drinking about 30 minutes ago. second, you have a beneficiary sorted, right?
3
 
Same, no noob bashing :D
 
2:19 PM
@tristan done and done.
 
user559633
good
 
user559633
when we start the meeting, we just shush any non-meeting discussion
 
Do you have protection? I literally mean protection i.e. a suit of armour.
 
user559633
and the person(s) doing the moderation tries to keep the conversation from going off-topic
 
user559633
you should probably have multiple forms of protection tbh
 
2:20 PM
cool
 
The moderator AKA Herder of Cats
Oh good, colorama does support relative positioning.
 
On my desk I have an Ezio, Lego Ghostbusters car, and a Lego Batmobile
am I good for protection?
 
user559633
if you don't have any stocked ARs and none of your desk toys say "glock" on the side, you should probably do a quick run to the store
 
All I've got on my desk is a BigCorp coffee cup with a highlighter in it.
I don't know why I have this. Highlighter fluid doesn't even taste good.
 
user559633
aint no party like a room 6 party because a room 6 party is optional and poorly attended
6
 
2:24 PM
I've got my rubber duckie.
 
But I'm in Canada. Our Pharmacies don't sell guns
:(
ah craaap
 
user559633
you can borrow a few of mine. even the gun that shoots smaller guns
 
you're a good man, Tristan.
 
I trust everyone has poured a circle of salt around their workstations. The last thing we need is an incursion from the Dungeon Dimensions.
 
user559633
uhh gender binary much? i choose to identify as a lone wolf howling at a moon at roughly 11:15-1130pm on april 29th in santa fe in 1814
 
2:26 PM
do you guys keep this window on sight while you at work? Yesterday, a co-worker passes by and he commented "man that looks like a 90's chat room" haha
 
I can respect that @tristan
 
I'm toying with the idea of putting a motion detector at my office doorway so it can alt-tab for me at lightning speed.
 
@Kevin that would be awesome specially with a face match too :P
haha
 
@Kevin You have an office? My estimation of you just went up 5 points.
 
I have an office that I share with five other coworkers.
 
2:30 PM
Annnnnnnnd down 4. Net gain though!
 
I'm pretty sure I posted a 3d rendering of it in here at one point but search isn't turning anything up.
 
is yours the L shaped one?
oh those are two desks
 
Sep 23 '15 at 15:02, by Kevin
I'm the one by the window.
 
who's the person looking in your direction
 
Also, you can see an artist's representation of my desk if you follow that link and scroll up a page.
@idjaw That's the database guy's desk. He's been here for twenty years.
 
2:36 PM
wait is that the old Notepad++ icon?
 
I assume he's too jaded and grizzled to care if he sees me on Reddit.
@idjaw Yeah. That's my designated notepad++ monitor.
 
Do you still use notepad++?
it's been a really long time since I've used it
 
The pic is a little outdated. Since HugeCo snatched us up from BigCorp, the laptop on the left doesn't exist anymore and the monitors aren't connected to anything.
 
What IDE or text editor do you use ?
 
@Kevin what link?
Ah, permalink to chat, then scroll.
 
2:39 PM
Yeah
 
Sep 23 '15 at 15:02
that link
 
I love how your screens are smaller than your laptop!
 
that looks like a really weird mouse too
 
A trick of perspective, perhaps. I can no longer directly measure the object because I assume it was crushed into a cube.
 
2:40 PM
oh its on a mouse pad :P
and the picture is half cut off
 
I opted to get rid of my second monitor and just use one extended monitor. Helps me keep focus.
I have a terrible attention span.
 
user559633
I'd post a picture, but I don't want to give any of you a tactical advantage
 
@tristan admit it, you just can't take a picture in an angle that doesn't contain five liquor bottles
 
Amazing.
 
lol, hey @Tunaki
 
2:45 PM
Hiya o/ :)
 
We're watching you
 
You're watching me. Weirdo.
 
in SO Close Vote Reviewers, 2 mins ago, by Tunaki
Oh Python room meeting
in SO Close Vote Reviewers, 2 mins ago, by Tunaki
I'll attend and spam.
 
^ totally out of context
 
:D
*gets flags ready*
 
2:46 PM
Spammers will be shushed with extreme prejudice.
 
flops into chair
 
Well, moderate and even-handed prejudice.
 
SO chat - Civil War.
 
Didn't think I'd make it in time for them meets
 
user559633
 
user559633
2:48 PM
tunaki can do what he wants, i'll just boot him
 
DSM
Who's moderating?
 
user559633
<- this jerk
 
@tristan are those horses ?
 
DSM
remember to bring up banning tristan permanently at meeting Cool!
 
2:49 PM
No, not outside! It's scary outside :s
 
@summerNight skeleton warriors
 
ahh!
 
DSM
Nov 4 '14 at 15:06, by corvid
outside? But that's where bears are
 
What is this event thing?
 
DSM
2:54 PM
@JustasSame: read this.
 
OMG so exciting!
*can't take the suspense*
 
Wes
a python event.
did python get type declarations?
 
there are type annotations
 
DSM
Sort of. They exist, they just don't do anything. :-)
 
@DSM just a sign of good will?
 
Wes
2:55 PM
meeting is over for me #troll :P
 
Whoa, was I invited to this rooms meeting for some reason?
 
Wes
are them statically checked by python itself or just IDEs?
 
No. I think it spams everyone with that message.
 
btw, @DSM we actually implemented that -> thing cause the mods didn't want to unlock
 
Hi folks. Did I got the event notification because I was joining this room sometimes earlier? I'm sure I haven't subscribed.
 
2:57 PM
@Wes They are not evaluated at all, unless you have something that does. For example mypy can do this.
 
@DavidArenburg \o
 
@ʞaʎess o/
 
hey @ʞaʎess
 
@ʞaʎess no it seems to have spammed it at everyone which is annoying, sorry about that.
 
you get notifications for a while
I guess for the same time you're pingable?
 
2:57 PM
@Andriskám \o
 
maybe for a longer time
 
@Ffisegydd No problems at all, just been curious to see the reason :)
 
ROs, please kick the room's event auto-notifier for spamming ;-)
 
@AndrasDeak I dunno honestly, fire up a meta Q :p
Runs for cover
 
I'm sure there's already one
 
user559633
2:59 PM
Alright, let's start
 
karcsika?
 
Are you moderating, tristan?
 
user559633
Unless you'd like to
 
No no, was just curious, go for it!
 
I hope you've all done some vocal warm-ups in preparation to sing our official song: Ya De Bucketty, aka Jahr Tee Buckety.
 

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