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4:00 PM
imposter syndrome ^^^
Fizzy, you have your silver Python badge. Only approximately 600 people on this Earth can say that.
And you're probably in the top 3% or so of users here.
And that's out of people who get over 200 rep.
 
@AaronHall But also, the badge (or SO reputation) doesn’t say anything about skill.
 
user559633
Nor do points. They're internet points.
 
It takes no skill to answer questions here and not have them downvoted into oblivion?
 
Yes.
 
Ah, the things I know that just aren't so...
 
user559633
4:06 PM
Heh, jokes aside, points and badges on stack overflow shouldn't necessarily be equated with knowledge or skill.
 
DSM
Equated, no. But I do think they correlate, although not very strongly.
 
And the inverse is even more true (since you’re talking about the inverse actually): Having questions or answers with a lot of upvotes does not mean at all that you are knowledgeable in certain topics.
 
that's true, poke DSM, for example, prefers pass to documentation, so... :P
 
Weep. Can't get pokemon tcg working :(
 
@AaronHall That’s not what I said.
 
4:07 PM
no it was DSM wasn't it.
 
DSM
I prefer using pass (with or without the presence of documentation) to its absence, yes.
 
I've seen far too many high rep users who can't tell one end of a context manager from the other to give much credence to internet points.
There is some correlation, yes. There are better metrics for expertness though.
 
And then there's me. I have so little rep despite the fact that I know everything about everything. It's strange
 
I believe you can tell how knowledgeable someone is by looking at the questions and answers of that person. But by looking at the content, not the numbers.
 
Yes, it also correlates with the ability and willingness to answer questions on the main site.
Now if I could just figure out how to get more people to look at my content.
The sorting algorithm is very slow.
 
DSM
4:12 PM
@poke: sure, more information is better. But that doesn't mean a noisy proxy is information-free.
 
for questions over a few minutes old, anyways.
 
Is there a duplicate question for "What is list.append?"?
 
Maybe not, but I don't think that's a very good question.
 
user559633
@AaronHall what? why do you care?
 
4:19 PM
@AaronHall Oh it's a terrible question. It just doesn't seem to technically fit any CV reasons, so a dupe seemed like the right way.
 
Well if it's a dupe, vote to close.
 
user559633
If it's because you want the chance to offer more in depth explanations, it's often the case that the asker just wants to copy/paste and move on, so I wouldn't put much weight in point-to-more-correct-answer on a given question.
 
No argument here.
 
DSM
4:36 PM
Sometimes I think I should start a data-mangling consulting service for beer money to answer questions like this, but I'd have to advertise on SO to get business.. which wouldn't last very long before the ninjas get all slicy.
 
ninjas? slicy?
 
DSM
ninjas = our moderator friends, slicy = putting an end to my advertisement with extreme prejudice
 
I was assuming you'd be paying for your ads, so the question would be would SO consider you a strategic threat?
 
DSM
@AaronHall: the advertisements I had in mind would be comments of the "This really isn't a good SO question. Have you considered Epicyclic Consulting?"...
 
you'd be competing with the dollars of fast burning startups looking to hire. Could you make enough to pay for the ads?
 
DSM
4:44 PM
No.
 
About flipping time, our test harness is back up. Now we can get back to work.
 
@DSM it sounds like you want airpair, codementor, hackhands, etc.
the things that Martijn advertises in his profile
 
Ever wonder about the difference between unbound and bound methods? hg.python.org/cpython/file/2.7/Lib/types.py#l51
>>> types.MethodType is types.UnboundMethodType
True
 
cbg
 
DSM
5:08 PM
@davidism: ehh, but don't you usually have to apply for posted jobs there? I kind of want a steady stream of petitioners arriving with easy problems they're willing to overpay me for..
 
You'd have to ask @Martijn for the details, but no, I think you advertise what you're willing to help with at what price, and they get paired.
 
DSM
Hmm.
 
Isn't that more "programming help and advice"? What you want is something like fiver?
 
You get notified of new interested parties, but only if their budget is high enough.
And people can book you directly, but again, you set a price point.
 
user559633
@MartijnPieters did you answer @davidism's question about which python web framework is your favorite? if so, i'd like to read your response
 
user559633
5:12 PM
sorry, this was from an airpair "ask me questions" thing from months ago.. not exactly topical
 
What is your favorite, and why is it Flask?
 
user559633
Yes, that
 
I hear he prefers bottle.
Interesting fact: we had a proposal to speak at PyGotham on Bottle.
 
user559633
Anything good or was it an "intro to bottle?"
 
user559633
When I was first learning python (3 years ago), I liked bottle because !!single file!!
 
user559633
5:19 PM
i am continuously embarrassed by every thought i had up until 1 minute ago.
 
DSM
@tristan: you've only been using Python for three years?
 
Wait, bottle is only one file?
 
Sippin from a bottle - My new blog title :P
 
user559633
@DSM to be honest, maybe closer to 2 because my job title has never been "software developer"
 
It's only one file, but it's a pretty big file. It also falls into the category of "superficially similar to Flask, but not nearly as powerful"
 
user559633
5:22 PM
@davidism yeah, my reasoning was that it was superficially easy to deploy that one file because i didn't understand packaging at the time
 
user559633
including testing in a "why is x faster than y question?" that's an upvote
 
user559633
@JoranBeasley haha i want you to add the dis :[
 
user559633
embrace my lazzzyyyyy
 
:P
I would be more interested in some plots I think :P
(if i wanted to invest any more time into that q)
 
5:28 PM
Read Amber's answer there
 
user559633
String translate and replace are both Python, for what it's worth.
 
oh bleh :P ok
 
user559633
They're both in string.py
 
retracted my idiot statement :P
 
I think we're declining the Bottle talk on the basis that no one uses it and we'd rather that speaker to talk about a different topic.
I hedge because we're not finalized.
 
5:31 PM
Flask is my favorite
 
pretty sure falcon is the new "smaller than Flask" framework, but I don't hear a lot about it either
 
but sometimes I find my self reimplementing large swaths of django
 
And there ya go.
 
@tristan can't remember if I did now..
 
If django modularized everything, I would take advantage in a heartbeat.
 
5:32 PM
@davidism: commuting now too.
Django is not on my list, to start with.
Flask and Pyramid, with Flask currently being the front runner only because I haven't had that much of a chance to use Pyramid lately.
Pyramid should scale to larger projects because it uses component architectures better.
 
falcon looks pretty cool
based on those benchmarks at least
I know @AnttiHaapala hates them all except pyramid
Flask is really slow from the benchmarks on falcons page ...
(but its so nice to work with)
tbh I wish django would split its ORM off from its main project
I like django ORM much better than sqlalchemy
 
Really?
 
yeah
I think they did an awesome job with their ORM
I write subclasses for sqlalchemy to try and mock some of the behaviour
I mean
 
Nope, I definitely prefer SQLAlchemy there.
 
Users.get(name="bob jung").all()
 
5:36 PM
Django's ORM is half-baked in many places.
 
session().query(Users).filter(Users.username=="bob jung").all()
 
I had to work around a Oracle bug where a materialised view simply wasn't.
 
Yeah, it really just doesn't hold up. The unit of work model is way more powerful.
SQLAlchemy also has the advantage of everything being an object, rather than using magic keyword args everywhere.
 
With SQLAlchemy I was able to rewrite the syntax tree on the fly to retarget the query to the right view when we could make use of the indexes.
You could never ever do that with Django's ORM.
 
5:38 PM
hmmm you lost me
 
SQLAlchemy objects result in a SQLAlchemy abstract syntax tree for the SQL query. By hooking into the session you can introspect that tree and transform it.
Oracle is supposed to use a materialised view for certain queries against the underlying table, where the view is faster because it has pre-computed the results.
But due to a bug it wasn't doing that. So I'd watch for queries that matched the right criteria, and rewrite the query to use the materialised view explicitly in those cases.
Because it is just an AST, all that was required was manipulating that tree, swapping out table names, for example.
 
oh yeah ok now I know what your talking about :P
but thats not really a common case ... most of the time my models are fairly primative (with some relationships) ... which is just much easier in django ORM ...
 
Yeah, I totally grokked that. AST. :P
 
I do like the fact that Django puts a lot of effort into security and i18n/l10n.
 
django ORM is focused primarilly on ease of use and readability ... sqlalchemy is more powerful I will grant you that
 
5:43 PM
@JoranBeasley the difference at the "basic models" level is that Django uses the active record pattern, which is much less efficient when dealing with large amounts of data.
Although they did add better transactions recently.
 
tbh I like having models directly tied to a session object (As if by magic)
 
Another small advantage of Django is that because batteries are included, there's a pretty much standard way to override any part of the framework, rather than plugging a bunch of extensions together that all do their own thing.
 
in sqlalchemy I regularly try to get a lazy dynamic relationship query from an object only to learn the object has lost its session
I like sqlalchemy better only because I can use it in any python project...
but I dont really need the super advanced features usually
 
And the serialization support is really handy in Django.
 
yeah thats one of my subclasses I make for my sqlalchemy
I use a subclass that lets all models be easily serializeable, and I use another subclass that adds get and save methods to each class (get being a classmethod) this sort of lets me pretend I am using django orm
 
5:48 PM
Yeah, if you check out sopython's code I do something similar
So I like security, i18n, standardization, and serialization, but still not enough to justify using Django over Flask/SQLAlchemy.
 
user559633
6:03 PM
dis("'1 a 2'.replace(' ', '')") is actually running and not just going to show me a print, right? (answer, yes. god i'm tired)
 
Hp palmtop 200LX. That's right, we still use one of those here
2mb RAM
 
DSM
2 MB RAM should be enough for anybody. #apocryphal
 
@davidism I've got the livecoding working
Who wants to watch me stream me talking on sopython? I BET YOU ALL DO RIGHT!? livecoding.tv/ffisegydd
 
DSM
Favorite Line of Code?!
 
I haven't filled all that rubbish out yet.
 
6:14 PM
I don't want to be able to associate real voices with users, the voices in my head are interesting enough.
 
So yeah, this is what sopython looks like from an ROs point of view.
 
cbg
 
Over to the left is all the bling.
 
DSM
Wait, if I plug my headphones into my computer, will I hear Fizzyish?
 
Can you hear me? I'm not actually speaking, that's the TV.
For any of you interested, this is how you kick someone, we'll experiment on.........tristan!
 
DSM
6:16 PM
This is the behind-the-scenes detail everyone's been hungry for!
 
I know right.
To the top of the screen you can see the SUPER SECRET RO ONLY TRELLO AND SLACK CHAT.
I won't be going there though and sharing all our secrets.
 
Man, this is one exciting stream. ;)
 
Especially not the secrets about the tristan's surprise party.
You want excitement!? I'll confirm the existence of the Dark Council!
 
Unfortunately, I can't learn about chat because "this stream is currently offline" every time I refresh.
 
DUN DUN DUN
wat? D:
 
6:18 PM
SPOOPY!
 
Same in FF, trying Chrome now
 
You mean all my top notch comedic work has been for nothing?
 
DSM
I've been enjoying it.
 
Not getting any sound in chrome
 
I can see it fine in Chrome.
Yeah, I don't get sound either.
 
6:18 PM
I was going to say it was my network, but I guess it just the beta blues.
 
All these jokes will be lost in time like tears in rain
 
I came to know that you have a Dark Council :P
 
Oh, I saw it in chrome for a second but then it went back offline
 
Well...I confirmed the existence of the DC...so...
 
DSM
Ehh, you probably faked it to draw eyeballs.
 
6:19 PM
There is no Dark Council.
 
LiveStream may have a viewer cap
 
...9?
 
Anyway stream is over now as I don't want you to find out my secret fan fiction alias.
 
Can't deny that fact now :)
 
DSM
At only 9?
aaahhh my eyes
 
user559633
 
I'll try it later today, might be a good excuse to try working on the SE shanty some more.
 
I actually write sopython fan fiction.
You can't imagine some of the ships I've got going on.
 
I strongly do not want to know.
That piece of knowledge is an anti-meme. If I learn it, I will endeavor to forget, and seek to prevent its transmission.
 
That's exactly something that you'd say to <REDACTED> in my fictions.
 
I have thought about doing streaming but I fear they'll tell me I'm doing it wrong.
Coding, not streaming.
Look at this scrub, not using Flurzy.io, how can he call himself experienced.
 
DSM
6:25 PM
I'm not sure I'd want someone to see how the sausage gets made. Or maybe it would encourage newbies: "hey, this guy just randomly tries things until one works too!"
 
Now that I've typed that out, that's pretty obviously impostor syndrome at work. It's easier to notice when it isn't swirling around in my head
 
I think it definitely could be interesting, I'd definitely watch davidism doing SE shanty for example.
 
I actually finished writing the api docs scraping recently, so now I'm trying to autogenerate all the code.
 
hi, how to increment the character in the string by 3, example 'ABcdm' to 'DEfgp'
 
Don't autogenerate all the code, you'll put us out of jobs
 
6:29 PM
One of the things that the article brought up was that in tutorials it's very clean cut and there's no "going from A to F via B, C, D, X, Y, Z, Ü, and E" which you typically find in normal programming.
 
@dilipyadav what happens to "z"?
 
DSM
@dilipyadav: first you need to finish specifying the problem. What happens
 
@DSM too slow!
 
DSM
@davidism: that's KEVIN'S JOB!
 
@dilipyadav you've already asked this once today.
I gave you a link to my question/answer.
 
6:29 PM
@davi z to c
 
@dilipyadav The term "Caesar cipher" may help you in your research.
Questions involving it have been asked many many times on SO, so there should be plenty of examples you can refer to
 
DSM
@Kevin: pet peeve -- going to a restaurant and seeing "Ceasar [sic] salad" in the menu.
 
(most of them are bad examples, but meh)
 
17
A: adding all the letters of a string up by 1 python

FfisegyddYou can use translate to directly change a letter to a different letter: try: from string import makestrans except ImportError: maketrans = str.maketrans from string import ascii_lowercase #old = 'abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ' #new = 'bcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzaB...

Yet another shameless plug is shameless -___-
 
@dilipyadav What happens to unicode snowman?
 
6:31 PM
@Ffisegydd sorry my laptop shuts down due to battery problem
 
Unicode snowman moves forward three seasons to Unicode puddle
 
@dav
 
@Kevin the true tragedy of this whole event
 
@davidism
A → D M → P X → A
a → d m → p x → a
 
☃ → ???
 
6:33 PM
UnicodeSnowmanException("not supported")
 
;_;
 
No one supports the unicode snowman, he's all on his own.
 
He's a strong independent snowman that don't need no man
3
 
DSM
Say rather everyone supports the Unicode snowman. It's our friendship that brings him to life!
 
z snap
 
6:35 PM
   _[_]_
    (")
`--( : )--'
  (  :  )
""`-...-'""
 
user559633
I don't want to link to the question, but this is one time that I might get sad if someone responds with "i'm using python 3"
 
@Ffisegydd Voting to re-open that
 
Why?
 
It is a good question and is a frequent Question. It may be the dupe target of many future ones.
 
Just because it's closed doesn't mean it can't be a dupe target, but whatever you want mate.
 
6:38 PM
IKR. :)
 
The Unicode Snowman? There's a caret joke in there somewhere.
 
:-)
 
Seems they've rejected Greece's bailout.
 
Well, I just sent an invoice to craigslist instead of a client. Stupid autocomplete.
 
I've watched a few code streams in my life but I never found them super interesting... Not sure if I picked less-than-stellar videos or I just don't like the genre.
Maybe there's more novelty if you know the host.
 
6:43 PM
I think it'd be interesting, like a lot of streams, if they narrate it.
 
@Ffisegydd i got the Solution
 
If it's just someone coding then yeah that's boring, unless you decide to slam them and their code :P
 
Narrating and coding sounds tricky... I don't know if I can engage the "speech" and "thinking about class diagrams" sections of my brain at the same time
 
Just describing what you're doing and what you're thinking.
Kinda stream of consciousness.
 
user559633
is "it's faster because this C function runs faster than this other C function in this scenario" a valid answer?
 
6:49 PM
It's the kind of answer that leaves me thinking there's a more satisfying explanation.
 
"This C function compiles to this assembly code, which runs in X CPU cycles, compared to..."
 
You can get to nuggets of wisdom without going full assembly. "C strlen() is going to be slow on a whole file because...", or "Floating point division is generally slow", &ct.
 
user559633
@QuestionC Yeah, same, but it's a python question and i linked to the two relevant functions. My stopping point was kind of based on Kevin's comment
 
I always thought it'd be fun to livestream programming challenges, but the demand isn't particularly high
 
user559633
@MarcusStuhr a room full of people whiteboarding for 2 hours, then staring at monitors for 10 hours, getting a bit drunk, then staring a monitors for 10 hours?
 
6:58 PM
Well when you put it that way...
 
user559633
i worked at a computer with a hackathon and recruiting shot a video
 
(more seriously though, I mean monitor + mic capture).
And ideally with decent narration
 
user559633
they ended up just using the footage of the non-tech people "hacking"
 
user559633
because it was whiteboards and motion and getting really excited over diagrams. the kind of stuff that non technical people think that thinking looks like
 
I saw a video of a guy who is one of the best programming competition people in the world. It was actually kind of neat because he didn't seem to think about the problems to solve them. Just read them and started coding in a logical way.
 
user559633
7:01 PM
@QuestionC yeah because he practiced his approaches :)
 
DSM
@tristan: did the diagrams point to "let's not have performance reviews!" with lots of happy arrows?
 
After a certain point, problems just become larger versions of problems you've already done before (so they already know what approaches to code to some extent / what pitfalls to avoid / etc)
 
user559633
@DSM hah you remembered. different company, but i'm still sour about that hackathon.
 
DSM
@tristan: that's a hard one to forget..
 
user559633
we did an OCR scanner + classifier for menus in 3 days how is that not a win
 
user559633
7:03 PM
i...i wrote an algorithm :[
 
What is this %timeit sorcery he's doing in that question? It doenst' work in my interpreter
 
ipython
 
hello
 
>>> import timeit
>>> %timeit s.replace(' ','')
  File "<stdin>", line 1
    %timeit s.replace(' ','')
    ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax
>>>
 
@QuestionC use IPython
(and don't import timeit)
 
DSM
7:05 PM
As @Ffisegydd says, it's an IPython convenience. Among the reasons I use it.
 
only have one hand to type. had to keep short.
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd uhhhhhh, phrasing?
 
no phrasing. truth.
arm around fizzygirl, pervert.
 
user559633
oh hai fizzygrrl
 
You can't type the letter T with your right hand. That's a violation of good typing standards.
I'm going to write an angry letter about this!
"Dear editor, young people today have no respect for the ergonomic guidelines of their forefathers..."
 
7:12 PM
To which editor?
 
A simple solution would be physical barriers between the keys
@SomeGuy vi, I suppose, it does say "forefathers"
 
user559633
@SomeGuy Probably emacs if the complaint is about chording difficulties. (^T)
 
 
My general typing method would probably make you vomit then KevKev.
 
And never the two shall meet.
 
7:14 PM
I peck using just my index fingers (occasionally a middle finger if I'm feeling exotic (yes phrasing)).
 
I'm a WASD kind of guy
 
My fingers don’t have a specific rule on which is going to press which letter on the keyboard. My typing system is based on the normal 10-finger-thing but loosened up and improved (IMO) by flexibility.
 
My fingers naturally rest on WASD yeah.
 
I hunted and pecked up until senior year of high school, when I took a typing elective. Dull but extremely effective.
 
DSM
I can already type faster than I can think. Beyond that additional speed would only seem to get me in trouble.
 
7:16 PM
I'm a pretty damn fast typer, I could maybe be faster if I did the full method.
 
I'm slow for a programmer, quick for the average joe
 
It hurts me when I see colleagues being slowed down in their work because of their slow and broken typing system…
 
Playing word blaster with no possibility of distraction for forty minutes, three times a week, for three months, is a pretty good way to form the habit
We never quite got to the number row though so I have to look at the keys to type parentheses. Really puts a hamper on coding in the dark.
 
It's not like you're sitting filling tons of code into your editor
you usually think a lot, and type a little...
 
Ohh, word blaster, is that the game where you type words to kill asteriods? Haven’t played that in ages; link?
 
7:18 PM
I've got Typing of the Dead on Steam. It's "House of the Dead" but you type words to kill the zombies.
 
@Reut Yes, exactly. Thus it’s even more depressive when during that time where you actually need to type, your brain needs to wait for the fingers to finally finish those few words.
 
Typing of the Dead is great.
 
It's so good.
 
agreed
 
The word banks they use are supper weird too.
 
7:19 PM
I've got some of the DLC, I think one is a Shakespeare one.
I know one is from movies so it's movie quotes I think?
 
@poke My problem there is usually with the IDE. I'm currently using mostly eclipse since I now have a java job
 
Uhh, Java, my condolences.
 
I hate using graphical editors, but for Java they're easily more productive than any editor.
 
You mean for GUIs?
 
7:20 PM
Yeah
 
And I'm on a laptop balanced on one knee, I think in the past I've gotten 80-90 on a proper keyboard IIRC.
 
I used vi a lot for python, and pycharm had great support for vi. the eclipse plugin isn't as great
35 wpm :D
 
I love Baileys so much.
 
70 wpm. Prediction: DSM will get 69 wpm ;-)
 
83 WPM, and I was thrown off because I wanted to correct a word after pressing space… my mind automatically does that so when the thing doesn’t allow me to do it, I break.
 
7:24 PM
Shots fired by Kevin there.
 
I think my natural wpm is a bit higher than what was measured there on account of performance anxiety.
 
user559633
Your score: 411 CPM (that is 82 WPM). And I'm typoing like crazy today... I guess what I'm saying that maybe my job as a yahoo chat! cyber fantasy professional isn't as easy as you all thought.
 
55. Not terrible.
I'm also bad at dictation like that. I can type much fast when I'm just writing the words in my head.
 
Yea, typing "show head when solitare dawn silence when if" isn't something I would lose sleep over.
 
Yeah, the senselessness of the words doesn’t make it simpler :P
 
7:28 PM
I find I type faster when the sentence makes sense, rather than random words. No doubt the words are random to make it fairer.
 
But we should really do this with a pen writing on paper once. I imagine that we would get very diverse results. I haven’t written multiple words on paper for ages, I’m probably super slow..
 
Let's write a typing test site that uses a markov chain generator to make semi-coherent sentences, and which also follow the usual frequency of common words
 
I hate writing now -___- my writing was always bad, it's gotten to the point now that I'm like some ape holding a pen making marks and getting enraged.
 
To this day I chalk my math performance up to the annoyance of learning to write.
 
My dad has awful handwriting, so in youthful rebellion I cultivated a precise and clear style.
Although I've gotten a bit sloppy since then. Genetics! shakes fist
 
7:31 PM
"I'll show you Father, I'll be the most eloquent of them all!" "But...son...that's what I wanted all along..." "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!"
 
Is there an easy way to read every other line of a text file? Can I just do
 
user559633
I overcame my poor penmanship when a rival calligraphy store moved to my hometown and threatened to displace me and my rag tag group of handwriting enthusiasts from our hangout spot unless we won a handwriting contest
 
I seem to recall islice accepting files or such?
 
file = open('file.txt', 'r')
for line in file:
    do_stuff(line)
    file.read()
 
7:35 PM
something like for line in itertools.islice(file, 0, None, 2)?
 
@Ffisegydd Ooh, even better. Thanks!
 
Yeah, that works.
I just tested it.
 
Typing of the Dead... now that is a game I have not heard for a long time. :O
 
It's a useful bit @Morgan as, iirc, you can't do for line in file[::2]. It does the same thing effectively.
 
7:40 PM
@Ffisegydd Yeah, I knew you couldn't slice a file. I was thinking there might be some ugly way with .seek() or .read(), but I like that itertools method much better.
 
Am I missing something on Creating a cross-platform GUI in Python 3.4? If you want a cross-platform app, why would you compile it into an exe?
I was under the impression that Mac and Linux can't run exes. Is that wrong?
 
user559633
Mac and Linux can't natively do exes, no.
 
Macs can't without emulation or such.
Macs have their own kinda version which is .dmg. It's actually a disk image but works (for the user) in the same way.
 
Macs can run .NET exes using Mono
 
Maybe OP means "I want it to be compatible between multiple computers, all of which run Windows, and none of which have python installed"
"By cross-platform I mean Windows 7, 8, and 10. You know... The important OSes"
5
 
7:50 PM
Don’t forget 9.
 
Can cx_freeze produce elf executables too?
I'd assume he decided to start with Windows and got stuck on the first speedbump.
 
elf? As in 11?
 
zwolf!
 
I guess it's possible that cx_freeze can compile to multiple target OSes.
 
elf executable = linux executable

And maybe OS X, I have no idea what you guys do.
 
7:53 PM
I know, let's specify a language that is compatible across many OSes. And we'll make it interpreted instead of compiled so we can dodge these thorny compatibility issues.
 
Like "My cross-platform CMake project isn't working". Even if I've only seen it not work on windows, I'm gonna blame myself here and not windows.
 
@QuestionC Is elf what comes out when I use gcc and stuff?
 
Yea, the elf is inside the executable. Moving the bits around and stuff.
 
interesting
 
7:54 PM
never knew it had a name
 
Real enthusiasts use gnomes ;-)
 
Actually, if you want to see some cool elf shit...
http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/software/tiny/
 
@Kevin Wow, I only just got that…
 
In my previous job, the boss had me embed versioning information in our binaries. Made for a fun week of googling.
 
re-cbg
 
7:59 PM
It's not a perfect reference since GNOME isn't pluralized.
 

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