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12:56 AM
that question about multiple inheritance is questionable at best
 
Your formatting looks bad. :P
 
since he is not really doing python super calls ... its hard to call that pythons method resolution order ...
yeah i know its the end of the day and im lazy :P
 
Also the other day when I was doing some mult-inheritance stuff w/o super, I realized that a few stuff has changed from 2 to 3
 
1:45 AM
Multiple inheritance? -dramatically- What's THAT?
 
2:30 AM
@BhargavRao you're supposed to convert to new-style objects so that doesn't happen.
 
@Aaron I didn't quite follow
 
3:01 AM
Hi everybody. The question is. How much memory cost on hard drive 1 row
With Django model like this.
user = models.ForeighnKey()
datetime = models.DateTime()
value = models.Integer()
and how to calculate it?
In plan i think to store in PostgreSql 500- 1000kk of that type of records. So How to calc size? Thanks.
 
3:33 AM
@BhargavRao perhaps I misunderstood you. You said you were doing multiple inheritance, and then realized that things changes from 2 to 3. All super does is follow the mro. The only thing that should have changed was using new style versus old style objects. Were you inheriting from object in your 2 code? If not, you should have been.
If you were then perhaps you have something you can educate me on.
Catch you later!
 
Well sqlite has 260kb per 1000 records
 
3:51 AM
Try searching "postgresql row size", the answer's right there...
It's not really useful to calculate though. Unless you are storing some truly massive data, it will not be a problem.
 
4:04 AM
brief cbg all
 
does anyone know offhand how to get the current_request object from falcon if you are not in one of the falcon views?
@davidism made me look at that package and now im trying it out ... it would be nice to be able to get that from an import :P
but not the end of the world if i cannot
 
4:40 AM
Cbg all
 
So how is climate today
 
4:56 AM
Supposedly meant to reach 33 today... but not bad/too uncomfortable at the moment :)
 
Staying at home/office may be the best thing then
 
5:12 AM
Well - gotta take the dog out at some point - but I doubt we'll go a full journey :)
 
He he
 
 
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6:49 AM
Hey up
 
Hey up fizzy
 
Cbg
@tristan just to add to your picture of SA, they've announced there'll be no water at work tomorrow, so they're bringing in portable toilets :)
To be fair though, this is only the second time it's happened since I started here in mid-2013
 
7:08 AM
@Robert I read that as an interesting alternative to just buying bottled water...
 
That's an expensive way to flush a toilet :)
 
Nicer to drink though :)
 
Yeah, well there are also water coolers :)
I only use the toilets for elimination and washing my hair
 
Right... gonna walk to the shop for tea and milk before it gets near the 35C that's been threatened
 
Update quick Apple users, these all sound bad
 
7:15 AM
@JonClements may mod be with you
sorry god
Anyhow the milk will be warm when you bring it home
 
7:40 AM
It's already too hot.
23C is the melting point of the average Welsh man.
 
I'd conduct that experiment
 
I already have. Many Welsh men died to bring us this data.
 
:)
I need to verify
 
Mornin'
 
I'll have some Welsh men sent to you post haste.
 
7:47 AM
People fear the oncoming summer, but I see it as a natural cycle of life. Without mother nature regulating the number of Welshmen, we'd be inundated with them.
 
Hey up chuckles
 
The heat was so bad in the office yesterday, I was geniunely rethinking my life. Was massively depressed
Felt completely fine the moment I went outside though
Bobby G is all like: "Man up. You should come to SA sometime"
 
Cabbage
 
Nah it's generally cold indoors in winter, even though the outside temp never goes that low; buildings are pretty poorly constructed. No double glazing, concrete floors so heat gets sucked out.
But yes you should come to SA because there's cool stuff to do
 
Hey, Fizzy. Can you recommend algorithms for data clustering that don't need to know in advance how many clusters the data has? I'm asking in ref to this question, but I'm also interested in the topic myself. I'm assuming you know about this stuff because allegedly you're a bit of an expert in data representation. :)
 
8:01 AM
:P hmmm data clustering, let me think.
Not knowing the number of clusters in advance complicates it I think.
 
I thought with k means clustering you need to define the cluster's starting points, otherwise the whole process doesn't work
 
I don't think you typically define the starting points but you do have to tell it what k is.
 
Or am I thinking of k nearest neighbour?
 
@PM2Ring I think HCA may do it, but it's pretty slow at O(n**3) or O(2**n) depending on what type you do. Alternatively I think you have to determine the number of clusters in advance.
 
@Ffisegydd Indeed. I suppose one way around that is to initially over-estimate the number of clusters and then merge clusters that are "close" to each other, or redistribute elements of the least significant clusters to their neighbours. But both of those seem messy. And the 1st one needs a good way to identify "close" clusters. And the 2nd one needs a good way to identify the least significant clusters.
 
8:09 AM
The 1st sounds like one of the methods of HCA, each point is its own cluster and you merge them slowly.
 
Cabbage
 
Closeness is relatively easy to calculate, there's a lot of "distance" algorithms out there.
 
@Ffisegydd I like your daring use of bold
@poke cbg
 
YOU SAW NOTHING.
 
Scratches out eyes
Not my eyes, obviously
 
8:10 AM
Touché.
 
Now I just need three daughters and a lot of hubris
 
Surely you have enough hubris by now?
 
NOTHING CAN COME OF NOTHING; SPEAK AGAIN!
And that's all the clues I'm giving you
 
@Ffisegydd You're right. mutters under breath
 
@IntrepidBrit Well, you can initially choose arbitrary cluster centres & then shift them towards the mean (or median) of the data in the cluster.
 
8:13 AM
googles Aha! King Lear.
 
Actually I think King Lear could be adapted well to a modern script etc
 
Game of Thrones stylee?
 
I used to love it
 
@Ffisegydd Thanks for the links. I've seen the HCA one before, but I should give it a closer look. And somehow I totally missed that determine the number of clusters page in my earlier research.
 
Yeah, or even a modern tale, Mafia or some such
Mind you, with TV being what it is now, it probably wouldn't get more attention than say a single episode of Castle being based on it or something
 
8:15 AM
I don't get what the OP is trying to do
@RobertGrant Just need to wait until hiatus purgetory, what period of time where all the decent TV has gone on holiday
 
That sentence is pretty Shakespearian; nice.
 
I'm personally interested in this stuff because I've been playing with improved ways of choosing good palettes for GIF anims. There hasn't been a lot of work done in colour quantization in the last decade or so; I guess the ubiquity of 24 bit displays has reduced the demand. But GIF anims are still quite common on the Net, and I suspect that they'll continue to be common for the next few years.
 
@RobertGrant And slightly mortifying :P
 
:)
I think it's got a certain poetry to it
 
@RobertGrant In high school, King Lear was my favourite Shakespeare play. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if there were already one (or more) movies / TV shows based on King Lear in a more modern setting.
 
8:22 AM
Yes! A fellow Lear...ite?
 
Leary?
 
@PM2Ring That I can understand, but I just don't get what the OP's end goal is
 
Has never read King Lear and doesn't know anything about it.
 
@IntrepidBrit Me neither, which is why I said in my comment the question was rather vague. :)
 
8:26 AM
Wow, they literally did a Mob film already
"The following year My Kingdom grossed $2,607 on its opening weekend in Los Angeles for an eventual domestic gross of $4,296 in its US release."
Brilliant.
 
I hope it was an old film, or that's just depressing and not really worth having on wikipedia
 
2001
 
Ouch
 
British film, that's why
Britain: amazing actors, rubbish directors.
 
rbrb
 
8:59 AM
@RobertGrant I blame the active theatre scene in the UK ;)
 
cbg all
 
cbg("jonny-come-latelys")
I should stop looking over old answers
 
My question on Meta has been answered in the comments. https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/298260/inserting-an-image-in-another-persons-question-by-edit

Should I create an answer with comments that answered my question, as quotes.. and accept it? (seeing the comment authors decided not to post them as answers)
 
Hi @user5061. Could you please take a look at the room rules? sopython.com/chatroom. Specifically taking note of the "Posting Question/Answer Links" and the relevance to the Python room.
 
9:12 AM
@IntrepidBrit Hello. I ve read it a few months ago, i read it now too. What about it?
 
"3. You should never simply link your question into the chat room without staying to discuss it and should usually only link it when having been asked by others."
And it's not particularly relevant to Python.
 
"usually".
Neither are cats or images posted here all the time.
 
(It generally nips me when people drop into the room and links to their (non-python) question)
 
It is somewhat related to python but anyway. I can ask in some other room i guess.
 
Hey, don't get me wrong. I'm practically the King of Off-topic - and not saying it doesn't happen. Just want to discourage the kind of drop in, post question and leave, spammage
 
9:18 AM
Well, it did annoy me a bit to be honest. Scrolling up i found this https://chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/24192444#24192444

Yet I doubt if anyone would ever complain about this. Anyway, I wont waste your time anymore. Have a nice day.
 
@user5061 Difference is: he was in the room, discussing beforehand. If Kevin had just jumped in the room and posted a link to a question and disappeared, it would have been a different matter.
 
The rule doesn't say no off-topic, it says don't post links to Qs without being asked for them
 
Why not Robert?
@IntrepidBrit That doesn't make it less irrelevant to Python.
Also now that I think of it, i have posted possible spam questions here so that they get locked instantly. No one said anything about it not being related to Python.
Sounds more of an excuse to me.
 
> want to discourage the kind of drop in, post question and leave, spammage
 
I didn't make the rule, I'm just reminding you that that's what it says, because you linked some off-topic chat which isn't relevant to that rule.
Therefore is pointless to link to in arguing that the rule is enforced badly
 
9:26 AM
@user5061 The key point here: the posting of a question without discussing it before-hand.
(It also happened to be off-topic)
 
Posting to close stuff works slightly differently than please help me with this question, in my experience
 
@IntrepidBrit It causes no harm. It's clearly not meant to abuse anything (e.g. getting more traffic like 20rep user would do to his "amg why my code no work"). I simply asked what I should do if a meta question was answered in the comments.
 
@user5061 Yep - and if other people see you do it, they'll do exactly what you did and ask: "But why is it different between user 5061 and me?"
 
I am getting a popcorn this is nice
 
As for it being offtopic, its a non-issue as the regularly posted offtopic images and videos of cats here suggest.
@VigneshKalai attention seeking?
 
9:29 AM
@user5061 stop mentioning offtopic; I already dealt with that, unless you reply specifically to what I said.
Anyway, unless the canteen has something tempting, a mega mac is in my future
 
@user5061 yeah may be
 
@RobertGrant It was definitely not a "help me with this question".
 
ponders if it should be "...different between user 5061 and myself"
 
It is different. Someone coming here with "noone answered my unclear question, here let me rub it in your face so that you do" is completely different than asking about Meta policy.
 
@user5061 you could answer your own question even if someone commented about it saying that I did as commented
 
9:34 AM
For example: if you had come in here and asked "Should I create an answer with comments that answered my question, as quotes.. and accept it? (seeing the comment authors decided not to post them as answers)"
We wouldn't likely be having this discussion
 
So it was the link that bothered you? Initially you claimed it was it being offtopic. The only reason to post the link (since I apparently don't gain anything from more traffic to my question) was to make it easier to advice me on given situation.
 
Actually, what I said was:
"3. You should never simply link your question into the chat room without staying to discuss it and should usually only link it when having been asked by others."

Followed by - "and it's not particularly relevant to python."
That was an aside, but in nearly all of the follow up comments, it was about the "link-dropping" aspect of it
I did also say that: "Hey, don't get me wrong. I'm practically the King of Off-topic - and not saying it doesn't happen. Just want to discourage the kind of drop in, post question and leave, spammage"
 
@IntrepidBrit Me, myself and I think that it should be me. However, I rarely use myself, myself.
 
"drop in post leave" does not apply to me.
 
Very true.
 
9:40 AM
hmm perhaps i didnt express it as i meant it. (english not being my native language). I mean it's clearly not something I did.
 
Good to know. However, at the time of referencing you to the rules, how am I meant to know the difference between you, and the average person who link bombs?
 
Ooh - for those interested - I accidentally left my terminal in chcp 65001 after yesterday's "cmd does unicode" shenanigans and pandas chucked me this LookupError: unknown encoding: cp65001. Further grist to @Kevin's 'I shun unicode' mill
 
Well, I posted a meta post. No rep to gain there, no problem to pressing matter to solve.
I assume most users that drop-spam-leave are low rep users, linking non meta questions.
 
Either way - the rules don't specify anything to do with urgency, or how much rep is sought. It's just a behaviour that we want to discourage.
 
You boys playing nicely?
 
9:44 AM
Not to mention if someone link bombs, doesn't realise it's against the rules, but does what you did and flick through the transcript and sees that you're allowed to link-bomb, will ask they question on why you're allowed and they're not
 
I think, maybe, you are assuming that we are assuming some things about you that we are not @user5061. We don't think you're spamming for rep, or have some kind of bad motivation. We're just trying to keep a consistent set of rules so that we don't get that stuff. You have demonstrated that you're happy to talk that through etc - seems fair enough to me.
 
Basically, the rules are there. I reminded you of the rules and quoted the relvant section, nobody's taking any action against you. Nobody's been rude or abrasive, and I've just been trying to steer you to the part that I(/we) are bothered about
 
I always play nicely Dr @Ffisegydd :) I am particularly happy today, as I bask in a naturally ventilated building with 20 degrees + outside.
 
I hate you.
 
@Ffisegydd Only when I'm not biting people :)
 
9:46 AM
I've been moving about and packing stuff so I'm quite warm, though now I've sat down starting to cool off.
 
I came in prepared. 4x fans and a beer fridge filled with coke/ginger beer/7-up
 
It's gone overcast here at least.
 
It's a bit early for G&T on the rocks, I guess
Not that I'm a big respecter of convention
 
Yeah better skip the tonic altogether.
 
Thus breaking both conventions. I heartily approve.
 
9:48 AM
Two wrongs make a right.
 
My building - a case study in sustainable passive ventilation cmiserver.mit.edu/natvent/Europe/queens.htm Unfortunately - it looks like the prison from Porridge inside
 
hahahahaha. It really does.
 
The buildings at nottingham uni that I had lectures in were passively ventilated
 
Yes - I know - horribly off-topic BTW. Although, being British, the heat is always on-topic
 
Quite fun-looking, as well
 
9:51 AM
Umm... everytime I step away from the keyboard I miss something interesting happening :)
 
Ref picture 80 is my actual office. No longer a mechatronics lab (more's the pity)
 
@JonClements are you the Blitz?
 
huh?
 
...not a How I Met Your Mother fan then? :)
 
"Awwww, man!"
 
9:54 AM
Not a show I watch I'm afraid :)
 
It's a shame. Good casual distraction
 
To confirm my earlier statement ref the British and heat - I have just received an email from our estates department entitled "Hot weather health and safety advice". I kid you not. Half our department is from North Africa or the Indian subcontinent.
 
It was very fresh when it came out, so it's worth watching the first season. After that you'll know if you'll like the other seasons, as they're the same
 
@JRichardSnape Some people say we're a nanny state. I prefer to think of it as looking after people. Or else.
Ditto on HIMYM, it's an entertaining distraction, but not necessarily worth watching all the way through to its conclusion.
 
I think it's awesome that people get looked after; emails like that might go a bit far, but in general if it helps stop one person a year from dying of heatstroke, then go for it
Over here, if you tried to get them to put that knobbly pavement down (that's at every crossing in the UK to let blind people know where the crossing is), they'd laugh at you and tell you they'll need to lay a lot of pavement first, because there generally isn't any at all
A good mark of an advanced society is that they cater for smaller and smaller groups of people (e.g. those likely to suffer heatstroke, or the blind)
Steps down from lecturn
 
10:09 AM
I like the fact that the state / employers / authority look after you. I also like to laugh at them and point out their ridiculous quirks. Rather like my parents, actually.
 
I feel the urge to clap.
 
HIMYM has its ups and downs, definitely. Worth a go though.
 
Plus it's got Alyson Hannigan in it... that's a winner for me ;)
Why are they flagging that instead of just moving it to the bin sighs
 
user559633
10:38 AM
Please don't melt today my british friends. I know that a good soaking of light can make you feel dizzy during your mid-afternoon croquet tournaments.
6
 
Might be too late - already feeling semi-fluid :)
 
user559633
@JonClements Oh no. Think of the queen and run your hands under a cold tap.
 
Thinking of the queen is basically already a bucket of ice-water
 
well.. technically thinking about a woman with tons of money and the power to do everything....
 
user559633
10:46 AM
@PaoloCasciello if she had the power to do everything, london wouldn't be so dreary and her department of nannies wouldn't have to email people telling them to not faint
 
@tristan why? if you can do everything you can even do nothing.
 
@tristan two years ago I actually partook of a croquet tournament. It was... unexpected.
 
user559633
@PaoloCasciello she laughs at us from the tea cake dimension
 
@tristan she doesn't mind us at all.... :D
probably there's a "laughs team" responsible of laughing at us...
that's the real thing of having lot of power :D
 
user559633
@JRichardSnape I was going to ask you did by asking about your banana cannon performance, but i stumbled on this and the amount of rules really is more british than croquet itself
 
10:51 AM
The game we excel at is the one of making the most internationally-adopted games :)
 
I think it was when we were told to place the ball a shaft's length from the boundary and give it a stroke that I collapsed.
 
Probably from heatstroke. Didn't you get the mail?
 
user559633
"right, so you want to stroke the ball, but not more than a shaft's length, otherwise it's probably too rough" faints
 
@RobertGrant very good, sir
 
user559633
can we have croquet at sopycon?
 
10:56 AM
Weather permitting
 
user559633
:D
 
Ie - let's not have sopycon in Scotland.
Not to mention some of my compatriots would probably beat us up for being too posh
Although personally, I don't see what ships have to do with it.
 
user559633
We can play it with cricket bats and crushed beer cans if that helps your "street cred"
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd Oh god, at that rate of geometric expansion, soon everything will be cats
 
10:58 AM
That's the plan.
 
adopts captainly voice Starboard home, @intrepid? Why of course.
 
"You can't fool me mister! It'll be cats, all the way down"
 
On first glance, I though the lower row were mice and this was the inception of a bloodbath.
 
second to the right, and straight on till morning
 
user559633
@JRichardSnape Nope, just liquid that came out of the organs of a different animal.
 
11:03 AM
Uhhh
Does anyone have a handy guide for manually setting up partitions for the Ubuntu set-up? I'm normally confident with it, but it keeps yelling at me and warning me. Losing my mojo
 
user559633
@IntrepidBrit you're not just mounting everything on / ?
 
Better set it up with a 300GB /swap, just to be safe
 
Shhh Trolly G.
I have multiple drives with multiple partitions. Replacing my borked Ubuntu 14 with Ubuntu 15 (Canonical's last chance saloon). Wiping the old partition, replacing and mounting / there
As well as flagging it as bootable
 
Dude just move to Arch.
@Peter and @davidism (as well as others possibly) will approve heartily.
 
Hm
Seemed to like it that time. No shouty shouty
I am now worried
 
11:06 AM
:)
 
disk on the way out ?
 
Arch is just amazing :)
 
     for key in sorted(params.keys()):
        sig += '|%s=%s' % (key, params[key])
    return  hmac.new(secret, sig, sha256).hexdigest()
 
See? Listen to the man, abandon Ubuntu.
 
they call this a Python 3 library??
this is the fscking instagram
 
11:07 AM
partition working one moment, not the previous is a warning, in my experience.
 
I've tried Ubuntu and Redhat I think, multiple times, and both were shoddy.
 
guess with 1 billion $ they could write a proper client library
about to post a bug in ALL CAPS
 
@IntrepidBrit funny fact: you can even use Unity if you weant on Arch
(not recommended)
 
.... that's not even funny!
 
user559633
@AnttiHaapala just take selfies of you getting frustrated with their code
 
11:07 AM
since Arch is a meta-distro => it is you who is in control, and building the OS for yourself
@IntrepidBrit :P
 
@tristan can't, I'd break the camera :P
 
ANTTI SMASH
 
I guess I have too friendly avatar in github
 
The only reason why I go for things like Ubuntu is that I spend the minimal amount of time tinkering with the OS, and more time being productive
And I would sink loads of time into Arch :)
 
it was taken in 2006 when I didn't work for new media shit and deal with all this OS crap on github :D
 
11:08 AM
hehehehehehehehehehehe.
 
@IntrepidBrit yeah same
 
So, Intrepid, how many months have you spent getting Ubuntu to work?
I mean, I seem to remember you struggling with it back in Feb, and it's now July.
 
Although that's a good point
 
user559633
@Ffisegydd Dangerous question.
 
But that might mean that arch would be worse
 
11:09 AM
You're right. I just haven't spent any time on Ubuntu 14.04 working really
I've been making do with Windows
 
user559633
I just went to the apple store after realizing it would take me another 5 hours to get ubuntu set up the way I wanted.
 
@RobertGrant && @IntrepidBrit well, yeah, the truth is, you need at least a week to build and get used to your freshly installed OS
but after that
all you have to do is pacman -Syu or sometimes yaourt -Syua each day and you are good to go
I'm using at work (8-10 hours a day) since 10 months now, and at home (teh rest of the day) since 2 months now and I even had to bother tinkering with the new XFCE4 desktop release for 2 days
that's all the cumbersomeness (is it a word?) I had with it
 
user559633
I love this question. I edited it from some nonsensical word-soup to something near-answerable and he reverted it to a slop of wtf
 
Mmmm. Cumberland sausage.
 
*cumbersome / cumbersomeness
 
11:12 AM
and as a plus: I learned so much more about linux/unix than ever before
 
How much space does Arch take up?
 
issue reported already
 
Might fire up a mini-play partition
 
FSCKING 3 MONTHS AGO!
 
11:13 AM
I think Antti is breaking down
 
@IntrepidBrit the installer is 500-600 megs (the dual boot one) and after that, it's up to you.. it is happy to run on a 5gigs space so no worries
@AnttiHaapala :P
 
So definitely doable then. I will ponder thine wise words
 
The only issue with it is that, if this works out, davidism will have yet another acolyte on his side in our eternal battle of Linux vs OS X D:
 
user559633
@IntrepidBrit about the angle over 2 pi
 
imgur.com/Nus73SE – I can’t take any more cuteness Q_Q
 
11:15 AM
@IntrepidBrit btw: if you don't want to bother the installation and setting-up first => you should grab a beaglebone black (or even a raspberry pi) and install arch linux arm on it, to figure out if it is good for you
(ofc the arm version is not blessed by the "official maintainers" of arch, but it is still a superb alternative -- I use the arm version every day, as my local "cloud" system is driven by a BBB)
 
Welp, I'll soon be looking at OSes to recommend for a RPi based project
So it would be a good shout to try Arch on my RPi to see if it'll work (and get paid to do it too!)
You're a genius Peter, a genius!
 
it really depends on what you are trying to do: for tinkering (IoT and other hardware stuffs) use Arch, for "no maintaining needed servers" use teh Raspbian or anything which is not a rolling-release thing
(although I still love the idea of having the latest and greatest, bleeding edge relesae of everything)
 
@IntrepidBrit I really want to star that message :)
 
@AnttiHaapala Harsh, but fair
 
11:20 AM
there are pull requests hanging for 4 months there
they don't give a shit to the python api it seems
 
anywho -- back to work now
rhubarb all
~
 
Weird, because I thought instagram was written in Django or something
 
@RobertGrant EXACTLY
 
cowers
 
@PeterVaro You starred it, didn't you? :P
 
11:22 AM
@IntrepidBrit you would do the same if you were me, wouldn't you? ;)
 
(Still loving the Batman game)
 
I am so fscking pissed off at this shit
Facebook has automated system for doing CLA... and
 
I'd ask a question on Quora about it
 
they require ppl to assign copyrights to them,
 
That seems to reach the right people at the moment
 
11:23 AM
and then when ppl do, they do nothing to merge patches, or even fscking comment.
 
@PeterVaro Of course I would ;)
 
That's because you're the best, @IntrepidBrit!
Tries to revive his flagging star stock
 
waits for the edit period to pass
 
re-cbg
 
recbg @PM2Ring
@IntrepidBrit /me tries to stay away from the delete button :p
 
11:32 AM
When it comes to starstocks, I feel like I'm the penny stock. Don't perform well, but sometimes I can surprise you. Incidentally, my girlfriend says this to me as well, but I don't get it.
 
@poke That was Ninja puppy's training session
 
re-cbg @PM2Ring
 
Hmm, I haven't seen Daniel Roseman in here for yonks
Did someone bite him? looks meaningfully at the puppies
 
Why are you looking at me? I am a soft, cute puppy... Gr.r..r
 
@AnttiHaapala So there's no point in you writing a patch for that HMAC thing because it won't get merged anyway?
 
11:34 AM
@IntrepidBrit He was never a regular member - don't think he generally frequents chat
 
Fair enough. Just saw him comment on one of my Django answers and thought
 
@PM2Ring it was fixed by someone there already 2.5 months ago
no one even comments
 
@AnttiHaapala That's bad.
 
the thing is: they say Python 2/3
then they write that kind of crap that nothing absolutely nothing can work in Python 3
 
FWIW, I managed to "steal" the accept from the previous answer with my "tome" about geodesic triangulation on SE.mathematics. :) I've never had that happen before on any SE site.
 
11:37 AM
and release in pypi
 
@AnttiHaapala You'd think they'd be able to get something as basic as passing a byte string instead of a unicode string. Especially to something that's obviously byte-oriented, like a message digest function.
 
and that if they say they have a python 2/3 library, that they'd test python 3 at least superficially
all the api usage breaks.
I for one wouldn't ever want to work there. :D
 
@PM2Ring well done, sir - well deserved. Have an upvote too (couldn't do it the other day when we spoke as I was on my barely functional smart phone)
 
Thanks, Richard!
@AnttiHaapala Oh dear. It would be bad enough if it were just isolated examples, but that really sucks.
And thanks other anonymous person. :)
 
Honestly, I don't know what this answer is missing.
 
11:49 AM
Oh god damnit. Why do I have three Windows OS entries in GRUB?
 
Ugliest code I have written today: return Rect(*[d.get(attr, getattr(self, attr)) for attr in "left top right bottom".split()])
 
Oh radishes. Grub entered rescue mode
 
@PM2Ring no probs!
 
@thefourtheye kasra's answer is better in that the escaping does not work in all regexes
also the \ vs \\ gets very confusing
 
Hmmm, that's true.
 
11:56 AM
@JRichardSnape is your name Richard or J-something?
Or is your first name J? Am I being really insensitive?
"God Fizzy you can't just go round and ask them if their name is J-something?"
 

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