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6:02 AM
...oy.
 
@dan chat.so has its own rank, they aren't really related
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Q: Are page ranks for subdomains independent?

Brian R. BondyIf I have a domain name say stackexchange.com and I want to host 2 sites X and Y as subdomains of that site. Will x.stackexchange.com help out y.stackexchange.com in page rank? Or will google treat them as 2 separate sites as far as page rank is concerned? Is there any SEO benefit at all? Th...

BEHOLD THE MAJESTY OF OUR NETWORK
 
it has backlinks from every page on SO, that's as powerful a link network as any
these chat rooms will be 1 page separated from a domain with more PR than any individual user's personal site is lkely to have
still worried :/
ooh John Conde wrote the top answer to that, used to spend a lot of time with him on the SEO forums at SitePoint... guess that's one of the places he moved no to
 
I come up as some dead kid on Google anyway, I'm confident that'll throw people off my trail. I'm also not concerned about anyone who wants to invest that kind of time trying to dig stuff up on me, since I haven't said anything here worth that kind of effort, heh.
:11341 You know what they say about all work and no play..
Hahah
 
case closed
Mind you, no different to a forum I suppose
I'll just have to ensure I am of sound mind all the time
 
You don't have real-time back and forth on a forum, it's a lot less casual, and there's an expectation of permanency... chat has always been transient
 
6:11 AM
If you get too rowdy we'll just flag your messages into oblivion ;)
 
lol @TimStone my comment about retarded babies still lives on
 
forums do let you delete your posts eve a year later though
 
@DanGrossman yeah John Conde is great!
@DanGrossman but transience leads to .. transient behaviors which are NOT good.
 
Wow, this client is quite rich. Me likey.
@JeffAtwood Perhaps it should be a little more prominent that things on this site get retained? I skimmed the FAQ as most users probably will, and didn't get that impression.
 
shrug. it's in the faq
> All conversations here are public, and they are logged and licensed under the same cc-wiki license as Stack Overflow.
 
6:16 AM
I guess I must be one of those awful users who ignores the "how to format your post" help text
 
Crap, 20 rep!
 
hmm why not put the youtube embed here in the chat?
 
6:20 AM
also @JeffAtwood those RSA vids are awesome
 
Research shows that if you want to be a happier person don't read self help books. Just have happier friends.
 
What is this "friends" you speak of?
 
I believe he's talking about those shady people in the background that upvote you occasionally
 
ah right.
 
Thiis increases your StackExchangeâ„¢ EgoEmpowering HumanWorthâ„¢ measure and thus improves your mood.
 
6:23 AM
Perhaps some of these "friends" should upvote this guy
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A: Could I have some suggestions on data-mining tasks please

Anon CowardI found data mining useful when conducting link-click analysis on websites. This information was used to optimize the user-experience by fine-tuning the most appriciated navigation through the site.

Who I immediately like for some reason
 
sockpuppet alert! :P
 
The QR code tells all
 
Is there a badge for setting an avatar? It's hard to remember people that use the generated images
 
I thought CW was dead?
 
not retroactively...
 
6:26 AM
I was speaking to two different Dougs last night in chat, separated only by slightly different computer generated avatars
 
I ... I mean, that guy... just gained enough privs to "create wiki posts"
 
@AidenBell Yeah, there was a MSO question about that already I believe :P
 
I am afraid I might be a spam bot
 
hey @TimStone - How good was that answer above. That guy sure deserves an upvote
 
6:28 AM
SO just threw the "are you human?" page at me, and I can't decipher the CAPTCHA at all.
 
@DanGrossman remember that what distinct bots from humans is the IQ, solely.
 
all these Rock Band 3 videos on youtube are taunting me.. people getting the game early
 
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Q: Impossible Captcha with non-keyboard characters

Sky SandersAm I a human? Yes. Can I type phi off the top of my head? No.

Heh
@AidenBell Why have you spawned a sock puppet? :P
 
@TimStone - I'll be frank - I want to keep chat and 'answering stuff' accounts distinct
 
for what purpose, to what end?
 
6:31 AM
@AidenBell don't you feel comfortable with public conversation logs?
 
@JeffAtwood - Because I like to think I have a choice
 
37 mins ago, by Aiden Bell
@JeffAtwood You know those emails you write at 3:22 and think why oh god why did I send it ... this is that .
 
And can enjoy the fine pleasures of SO chat and its amazing people without an epic record of my waffling being stuck in Google
 
meh, that's like gluing the top of the cookie jar shut. Not a real solution. Better to learn to eat cookies in moderation.
but, your accounts, your call
 
@JeffAtwood - This is true, but we are all human
 
6:33 AM
I told you to stop porn chats while you weren't an addict @AidenBell.
 
And I have better things to invest self-correction time in
 
@AidenBell What have you been doing to poor waffles?
 
When Google starts installing microphones on every street corner to index every word you speak in public... will we just say "better learn to mind every word you say"?
 
@DanGrossman not a fair comparison, you still have a choice to not use the chat.
 
6:35 AM
@YiJiang Hahah
 
It is true, but it'd be nice to not have to leave
I would prefer to be here than IRC
 
@TimStone The first paragraph is brilliant
 
@DanGrossman - Ill be honest, that microphones comment sounds tinfoil hat
 
@DanGrossman what's your real concern about the chat? the logging?
 
I log all the IRC channels I'm in, heh.
 
6:36 AM
It is, though Google has already done trials with listening to ambient noise through cell phone microphones to deliver ads
that was almost 5 years ago
 
@DanGrossman hopefully that will bring us not-totally-stupid-ads. hah
 
The way I see it, when I am sat chatting with mates, having a laugh, shootin' the breeze ... I don't expect it to be a) taken too seriously or b) to loose context or c) to last forever.
Why is this different because it is virtual?
 
like I said, transience leads to transient behavors. Your "bar" would devolve into a place no human being would want to ever visit.
 
Google doesn't preserve the mood of the room
 
6:38 AM
you can build that chat site if you want; it's just not our goal
 
Jeff, are you saying that all internet chat everywhere has always devolved to a place no human being would ever want to visit?
 
@JeffAtwood - Fair enough.
 
How does it function now if that's the case?
 
people really do behave better when they know everything is "on the record"
@DanGrossman pretty much -- I never go to IRC, never will, either.
 
I see
 
6:39 AM
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A: What about the IRC channel?

Jeff AtwoodWhile we're on the topic of IRC: #SOMafia on irc.slashnet.org is NOT associated with Stack Overflow! I've gotten several email complaints: Yesterday, just out of curiosity, I joined #SOMafia on irc.shashnet.org and there was a JeffAtwood op there. If it wasn't you, then I'm sorry, please ig...

 
IRC is front line support for much of the technology used in the startup world, not exactly troll central
 
sez you
 
@JeffAtwood have you been virtually molested? lol.
 
my experience has been distinctly different
 
@AidenBell Things that people half remember concern me far more than things that are plainly recorded. That being said, I also don't find fault in your not feeling comfortable with the scenario either.
 
6:40 AM
oh goodie, irc talk (;
 
Also, casual talk IRL rarely devolves into dire and unhealthy levels of opulent whimsey
 
yeah but IRL is different than online; comparing physical watercooler talk to virtual is just .. well, a lie
 
@TimStone - I don't care that much, but I am prepared to play devil's advocate on this
@JeffAtwood - A lie when that isn't the place's stated goal you mean?
and only because it persists
 
just that there are so many constraints around IRL "watercooler talk" that replicating it online is basically impossible -- apples and oranges
 
this is as close to a watercooler chat as I expect to be any time soon
 
6:44 AM
@JeffAtwood - Not sure how much I agree with that. I can watch what I say online, but something about the recording of it is instinctively uncomfortable ... without reason or logic most likely considering I don't say anything on here I wouldn't shout from the rooftops.
 
@JeffAtwood they just responded badly to an impersonation. This happens every day to public people. And the worst is the media making it bigger than it really is.
 
yeah but how is that different than Stack Overflow? What can you do "in private" on stack overflow? private messaging is WAY off mission.
the whole point is to do as much as you can in public so everyone benefits
 
SO answers, a long chat -- Apples and Oranges
 
Why was non-question-based chat created?
 
that was a delayed entry event hehe
 
6:45 AM
It's more like private messaging (IMs) than it is SO
 
which is related to why SO answers get closed for subjectivity too
 
these are public rooms; anyone can walk by, enter, and listen. anyone with 20 rep can walk by, enter, and talk.
 
But someone with Google-esque memory?
 
@JeffAtwood I was thinking, then, maybe get room owners to decide if it's publicly logged or not... not sure it's a good idea though.
 
Prepared to write-up and distribute said words?
 
6:47 AM
terrible idea
evil festers in the dark, dank, unobserved places
 
well, until now I'm in favor of public logging, but if most people don't feel comfortable, can't say much against it.
 
I mean, if you want private person to person chat, there's a zillion places to do that
 
@JeffAtwood - To be clear, I am 50/50 on it ... I think the real choice is to chat or leave ... I just find it interesting the different standards we impose in real-life vs online
@JeffAtwood - True, and there is no debating the goals of the SO chat .. so the argument about this chat is moot
 
@JeffAtwood I agree with that point, that's what I said earlier - you still have an option to leave and not use it when you don't want to.
 
:11467 like some dev team's rooms
 
6:49 AM
Hi all, I can think of at least one person who decided that publicly logged chat was not for them, and left directly. I'm still on the fence, and slightly too hooked to decide :)
 
@Benjol hehe
 
sure, fine, don't like it .. don't use it. Keep life simple.
world's a big place, go explore somewhere else and find interesting stuff.
 
Problem is Jeff
 
<cheek><tongue/></cheek><edit-fail/>
 
Not a critique of this chat btw
 
6:50 AM
@JeffAtwood I'm not so worried about evil, as my own stupidity (read: witty-but-not-so-much-in-hindsight) flourishing in view of all, for ever.
 
dives for cover
 
if we go somewhere else, we don't have the opportunity to chat with a bunch of other interesting developer types
 
and it'll be interesting and not devolve too far, because it IS all on the record
 
@Benjol If people want to see your stupidity they look for your tagged photos on Facebook your "friends" uploaded...
 
that's what I'm saying
 
6:51 AM
@DanGrossman - to be fair, Jeff has a valid point that you can build one yourself ... if you invest the time to build that community -- make up your own mind
 
gah
@rexm I agree completely, but the "use IRC, idiots" crowd is really REALLY vocal (though I suspect small)
thanks @JeffAtwood |:
 
I have tried in the past, worked with others to build a chat channel around the SitePoint Forums community... never gained traction
 
@badp, I'm not on Facebook - that at least I managed to resist :)
 
@Benjol +1
 
it's a very hard thing to do, SO has done it, so the fact that SO has this added permanency of everything you say is frustrating
 
6:52 AM
the best civic behaviors come from people who know they are in a public place
 
@DanGrossman on that matter, the conversation should be healthy to be considerer interesting, so logging isn't a problem IMO.
 
@Benjol nor am I, but people around us are and can and will upload photos with you and tag them with your name and surname
 
here's an idea, let's call everyone that thinks irc is useful an idiot. ):
 
ever noticed how people will behave in private, in ways they would NEVER behave in public? Well, this is like that. :)
 
This debate has devolved.
I see @JeffAtwood 's point and 100% agree in relation to SO ... but generally ..
 
6:53 AM
@rchern no, I'm saying that the tone of the people who are so aggressive and insistent about using IRC is to call us idiots
 
that's a different matter
 
@JeffAtwood the problem is that people behave virtually in ways they never would face-to-face. I'm not sure if 'public forever' mitigates that, or just preserves it for posterity...
 
IRC just sucks
 
@JeffAtwood, that's your opinion. it isn't fact.
 
I created this reality, therefore it is fact in MY reality :)
 
6:54 AM
fact: had IRC been adequate, we'd be using it now.
 
that's the beauty of software
 
points of view tend to diverge ;)
 
nor is me saying it is 100% useful fact. it is my opinion.
 
don't like the world you live in? create a new one!
 
node.js, mongodb, couchdb... pick your favorite buzz-worthy technology, and the main developers are on IRC every day
 
6:54 AM
each has its strengths and weaknesses.
 
"I created this reality, therefore it is fact in MY reality :)"
don't like the world you live in? create a new one!
End of story people.
 
IRC is an non-horrible, resilient protocol from the 80s
 
@AidenBell, i use both. and it is really old having people diss irc left and right .
 
I though we had overcome the IRC talk, but apparently.. hehe
 
6:55 AM
rchern see
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A: What about the IRC channel?

Jeff AtwoodWhile we're on the topic of IRC: #SOMafia on irc.slashnet.org is NOT associated with Stack Overflow! I've gotten several email complaints: Yesterday, just out of curiosity, I joined #SOMafia on irc.shashnet.org and there was a JeffAtwood op there. If it wasn't you, then I'm sorry, please ig...

 
i've read it previously
 
That can happen here too Jeff
 
every tiny interaction I have ever had with IRC has been a soul-crushing window into the abyss of despair
 
someone could impersonate you in a negative fashion on any communication medium
 
That's more a symptom of the people involved than it is anything to do with IRC, heh. :P
 
6:57 AM
note that our reputation system, and the fact that everything is public and indexed by google prevents pretty much all the things I dislike about IRC
 
@rchern - it is OK I have no opinion of IRC
 
Why can't the trolls just use throwaway accounts (after quickly gaining 20 karma) to do the same here?
They don't care about the reputation or indexing of things on made-up accounts they may use
 
IRC just devolves into ... a wretched hive of scum and villiany because the software itself ALLOWS it to
 
"It would be a problem if your dear reps vanished in thin air... you wouldn't want any harm for your reps, capiche?"
 
@DanGrossman, they can, but that wouldn't match with the zomg you said irc wherez mah torch!! closed-mindness >_>
 
6:58 AM
well, that's why long term we would frown on puppet accounts being used in chat
 
@DanGrossman or even stolen accounts.
 
Alright ... im off. No system is perfect. Smile everyone!
 
Unless you have a way to tie chat accounts to real physical people, then none of the supposed behavioral benefits of being logged really exist
 

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