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10:04 AM
@Jeff - this is a bit inconsistent: "You have two minutes to edit your messages"
other entries are duration numbers and bolded, would be good to catch the eye the same way here
 
@JeffAtwood Maybe you want to point to the correct place to play around with formatting and report problems/suggestions for the chat?
ie. The Sandbox and the Chat Feedback room
 
@YiJiang the chat feedback room is at the bottom
but I'll look at adding the sandbox
@NickCraver good idea, that's also hard coded in the /faq which is wrong
 
@JeffAtwood, I wonder whether the 'all conversations are public/logged' message shouldn't be more highlighted, as this is one of the things which is surprising/shocking people. You could even add "so don't be a jerk" afterwards for good measure :)
@JeffAtwood, missing what here: "If you're wondering what to say to your fellow community members"
 
yeah, that's already fixed
 
@JeffAtwood, you also mention pins but don't say what they look like (I'm commenting as I read, so maybe it's further down)
 
10:12 AM
@JeffAtwood For the "What is this" Section maybe you'll want to link to the old "third place" blog post for an explanation of what this really is?
 
Hi there o/
 
Actually it might be better to solicit the opinions of new users rather than those who are already familiar with the system
 
> all the conversations are free, open and public to read by anyone.
that's in the first SENTENCE of the /faq. I don't get the "hey, whaddaya mean this is public" statements.
ok, hi @Chouchenos any ideas for improvement of our chat.stackoverflow.com/faq ? :)
 
@JeffAtwood, it's just not what people expect from a chat system (gtalk, skype, msn etc.) But I'd still add "so don't be a jerk :)"
 
I don't think we need to add that. Not a lot of jerkiness here.
and it is covered in "Do I have to be nice?"
 
10:15 AM
ok. Compromise: but all the conversations are free, open and public to read by anyone.
 
@Jeff - not sure if it's an issue since it only affects 10k+ (but 10k+ may be new to chat...) but I think color would add a lot here:
 
@JeffAtwood mmm, why not telling the keyboard shortcuts for italics and bold ?
 
how is mentions 10k specific @nick
 
since there are 2 color circles there for flags, took me a minute to realize what was going on
 
@Chouchenos there are no bold and italic shortcuts in chat
 
10:17 AM
The /faq already says : We support a limited subset of Markdown styling in chat, similar to comment formatting on Stack Overflow:
*italic* or _italic_
**bold** or __bold__
`code`
 
@Jeff - the flags portion, I had to go find out what the other circle was since I logged in while there was a flag up...2 was confusing and wasn't in the FAQ
 
test
oh
 
yeah I am hesitant to add the 10k section to the faq right now
 
ctrl+k works
 
@Chouchenos use the sandbox room if you want to test

Sandbox

Where you can play with regular chat features (except flagging...
 
10:18 AM
@JeffAtwood yeah sorry my bad
 
@JeffAtwood I think he's referring to the keyboard shortcut available in the WMD editor
 
that's OK we are adding a link to the sandbox to the FAQ :)
 
Also, never noticed the ctrl + k shortcut
 
@YiJiang Noticed it only 3 days ago thanks to a comment in a question on SO. I think it's very useful in comments (and should be on chat IMHO)
 
@Jeff - I don't think you need to add the 10k, but even saying "the green circle..."
 
10:21 AM
@Chouchenos The shortcuts? Nah, comments and chat messages are a bit short for them to be useful
 
I think we need a 10k section actually, just I am not ready to write it at the moment
thanks for the suggestions, we'll continue to refine the faq and the way it is formatted over time
 
@YiJiang Well, I like when my message got code into the code format and that I can empathize with bold and italics. Keyboard shortcuts are definitely a plus in comments to me :)
 
it is getting better over time
@Chouchenos SO comments should never contain any significant amount of code that wouldn't work with backticks
otherwise, it REALLY should be an answer, not a comment
therefore, I don't agree
 
@JeffAtwood yeah definitely. You can't put a loads of code in comment. I agree. The code format is just to be clearer and more understandable in comment. It's just graphic, like bold and italics.
 
correct, so use backtick to do that -- it's a <code> span
 
10:30 AM
I know that, and in comments, the ctrl+k works adding backticks if you select some words (and now it doesn't seem to work today -_-)
 
real men type backticks! :)
 
Well, on azerty, it's pretty annoying :(
(though, I dunno on qwerty ¬_¬ so my comment is useless)
 
It's a direct key, lucky you...
 
wds
they're not that hard to type on azerty
though I prefer qwerty
 
10:38 AM
@wds I don't use AltGr a lot, so it's an effort to me ! :D
 
10:55 AM
@JeffAtwood I've done the test on IE7+, Firefox, Chrome, Safari and Opera. In all instances the difference between the versions are negligible. Of course you might want to do more extensive testing.
$('#recent-badges .badge-tag, #recent-badges .badge')
    .unwrap().unwrap().unwrap().unwrap()
    .each(function(){
        $(this).next().andSelf().wrapAll('<li />');
    }).parent().wrapAll('<ul />').parent().css({
        'list-style': 'none',
        'font-size': '100%',
        'margin': 0
    });
Running this code will replace the table with a list, and drop the necessary CSS on the list
 
11:41 AM
@YiJiang that looks like a no-op here
oh wait -- badge list.
you still want to handle overflow like tables do
@JeffAtwood You're lucky you have backticks on your keyboard at all!
On Windows I had to make a custom keyboard layout to get backticks.
 
12:28 PM
I have a crazy keyboard as a defence against RSI, so I'm used to keys having little or no relation to the printed text ;p SharpKeys to the rescue....
 
user379888
Does anyone know the diffrence between core 2 duo and dual core?
 
user379888
I should write hardware related questions on super user?
 
@fahad dual core is generally slower
 
user379888
@Overdose:Core 2 duo is 1 processor splitted into 2?
 
12:34 PM
8
Q: Whats the difference between intel Dual-Core and Core 2 Duo?

WindyCityEagleWhats the difference between the Intel Dual-Core(brand name) processor and the Core 2 Duo? It seems like clock speed is the only difference, but I want to make sure that is the case. It seems like anything over 2.6GHz is Core 2 Duo, and anything under 2.6GHz gets the label Dual-Core.

 
user379888
@badp:thanks
 
12:50 PM
That's the difference
 
user379888
@spoulson:Just the L2?
 
@fahad Surely, you clicked the link...
 
user379888
@spoulson:yes,thats a unique way of telling the diffrence
 
o_O
 
 
1 hour later…
2:10 PM
Morning people!
 
morning
it's been a quiet one
 
I mean tough crowd right
Morning Daniel!
 
Morning
 
@spoulson 'ello!
 
Wow two people proving that computer nerds can talk and have social skills - good morning spoulson
 
2:14 PM
@Doug I was secretly worrying that this "being polite" thingy might end up with me being mugged or something
 
Hey! I resemble that remark
I do NOT have social skills
 
sometimes i think "general" is just too general to get conversation going
 
Ha Ha
@Yi Jiang I guess sometimes you have to just take a risk ;)
So what did everyone have for breakfast.......
I had Quaker Oats - Yummy!!!
 
bagel
multi-grain
from starbucks because i was lazy
 
Daniel - this is so lazy lol
Multi-grain bagels are good for you though
 
2:22 PM
Yes. And filling. And, for Starbucks, really cheap.
 
3:00 PM
Hello
 
 
2 hours later…
5:19 PM
'this thing still working?
 
yep
 
5:41 PM
good mornin'
 
g'afternoon (;
 
6:11 PM
anyone running Skype 5 Beta? If so then do an update (to 5.0.0.152) as the latest version will give you the option to remove profile pictures form your contact list and you don't get the 'Skype Home' window every time you start Skype
 
Just stopping by to make sure the site isn't thinking I'm Yi Jiang anymore.
 
o:
 
Anyone else experienced that? The top grey bar sometimes shows someone else's name
Just a few seconds though. I presume the site mistook me for Yi Jiang because we're geographically close.
 
Which top grey bar?
 
The one with the SE logo, some navigation links, and the search box.
 
6:21 PM
Ah, you mean on SO, not on SO chat?
 
Yeah
Refreshed main SO and it's alright now. That was scary.
 
Anyone else think this is better than IRC?
 
I forgot how to use IRC.
 
the protocol, or irc clients? not across the board, they each have their own strengths and weaknesses
 
Unlike IRC, everything you say here is logged and indexed by search engines for all eternity, be aware
 
6:26 PM
Well... bash.org and irclog.org
 
Wondering if I should post on meta about that login session accident I just experienced.
 
Like any human being I am irrationally basing my decision on my experiences with MIRC only.
 
basic mirc is...well...basic.
 
@BoltClock @YiJiang has already posted on meta about this.
You aren't actually him, but you get served a page with his details for reasons likely involving some incorrect caching behaviour between your ISP and SO.
 
@TimStone Jeff says "This has since been fixed." Now I can put all the blame on my crappy ISP :)
 
6:33 PM
@BoltClock The problem that Jeff was referring to has been fixed, but there is definitely another problem. Jeff can't reproduce it though, since it only seems to happen to you guys, so narrowing down the exact culprit is difficult. :)
 
@TimStone So he's aware of this other problem?
 
But don't worry, if you try to do anything "as" the other person, it won't work, nor can they assume your identity.
@BoltClock Yep :)
 
That's good to hear. I'm all ready to flame my ISP anyway ;)
 
Name and shame?
 
Heheh :P
 
6:36 PM
Nah they don't even deserve to be named :P
 
Hah, that bad? :D
 
lol
 
That bad.
 
6:49 PM
Why is this closed?
1
Q: Whats the importance of data structures and algorithms for programming?

Zepel M Possible Duplicate: Why should I learn algorithms? Hello, I'm a curious beginner and I don't understand how algorithms and data structures are useful in programming. Are they crucial for being a good programmer? Why should I learn them and how they actually help me when writing code? ...

I looked at the dupe link and that one doesn't mention data structures, although a handful of its answers did.
 
 
3 hours later…
9:37 PM
@Yi - Whats up
 
@Doug, notifications are done based off of 3 characters.
 
@rchern - explain
 
@Yi is 2 characters. notifications require 3 characters.
 
@rchern - not sure i know what a notification
is
sorry
 
when i say @Doug, notice how it is a different color?
 
9:42 PM
@Doug You get that little green bubble show up next to your gravatar. Like it will, now
 
Ahhh
ok thanks :)
 
now notice it isn't there if i say @Do
 
@rchern - Thank you
 
The names also need to be have spaces removed, so it's @YiJ at the minimum
 
@rchern - I think you are the only woman on SO
 
9:45 PM
Dori, Healdsburg, CA
314 2 5
 
ha!
far from it
 
@rchern - no offence to Dori but normal attractive
 
I heard there was a female on SO; is this true?!
 
@johnb - yes i know its amazing
 
Well, if you want to I can go on
 
9:47 PM
wow, there's a glimmer of hope in my otherwise sub-standard life after all.
 
@Yij i mean i think its a fake picture, but i guess rchern's is real so you never know
 
holy cow, Sara is stacked
 
15
Q: What can StackOverflow do to persuade female programmers to participate more?

lkesslerI know a lot of female programmers, and I know there are a good number of them out there. But I don't recall ever having one of my questions answered by, nor have I ever answered a question by a female programmer here at StackOverflow. Now I mostly deal in the Delphi tag, and that may make a di...

 
heh
 
StackFlair! rocks
 
9:57 PM
\o/
 
/o\
 
@JohnB Could that be why there aren't more females here? ;-)
 
I love the "ignore this user everywhere" option!!
lol
 
Ha ha.
 
feel free to add StackFlair feature requests (:
 
10:02 PM
no exception when you you click the "generate flair" button with on settings
 
?
 
There's nothing I hate more in IEEE emails than the CONSTANT stream of articles on how to get more women into tech. They'll get into tech when they want to get into tech. Competent people are always in demand. They just need to stop trying to make it happen, and let it happen.
 
@rchern - if i go to your page and click the "generate flair" button i get an asp.net error page
 
ah yeah, i guess everything has a default value except for the user
 
@rchern - nothing like having a bunch of people pick your app apart right
 
10:06 PM
it is good
but i want it to be great (:
 
@rchern I'm surprised it's taking you so long to deploy the UI changes I suggested :)
 
@rchern - you are well on your way! Nice Job btw!
 
@YiJiang, next time you see me working on SEChatMod, yell at me >_<
Shout by @codinghorror when SO sank: "why did we trust @rchern ? WHY OH GOD WHY" - http://i.imgur.com/BNChA.jpg
|:
 
@rchern - logged a new ticket for you to fix!
@rchern - there is a dup you will have to delete though
 
10:32 PM
`Server Error in '/' Application.

Sequence contains no elements

Description: An unhandled exception occurred during the execution of the current web request. Please review the stack trace for more information about the error and where it originated in the code.

Exception Details: System.InvalidOperationException: Sequence contains no elements

Source Error:

An unhandled exception was generated during the execution of the current web request. Information regarding the origin and location of the exception can be identified using the exception stack trace below.
 
10:46 PM
Lots of time, minimal motivation... maybe reading a programming book for a while will get me going
 
11:08 PM
...and i'm back
 
11:41 PM
just thought i'd drop by to mention my awesome reputation right now
it's very devilish
=)
 
hehe
 
@rchern don't feel bad, you became a SO beloved fellow.
 
mmhmm
since when did laughing stock = beloved fellow? (;
 

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