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12:02 AM
Hello, I am looking to participate in an open-source java project and was wondering what would be a good start in developing a large software in Java.
I have done some small projects on my own before, but I would like to be part of a large project.
Are the Apache project generally a good start?
 
@rchern oh, I apologize. Will delete my tweet if it makes you feel better.
 
haha no worries >_>
 
12:38 AM
@user475021 What about Eclipse, an Eclipse plugin, or Netbeans?
 
12:55 AM
gah! i restarted vs and it is like my files weren't saved even though i did save all prior to closing it ):
 
gasp
that's the worst
If it weren't for clickwrap licenses, you'd be able to sue Microsoft for this damage they've caused you!
 
heh
 
did you lose a lot of work?
I will permanently delete a Visual Studio license key in your honor
 
it is weird. i hadn't worked on this file in several days, just had left vs open. so the file should have been saved days ago
 
version control? shadow volume copy? dropbox? there should always be a way to recover code that old
 
1:08 AM
hadn't been checked in yet. code had been written but i just needed to do testing
so basically i fail hehe
 
2:08 AM
[Working on personal site in the unlikely event someone reads it and wants to send me work]
 
2:36 AM
Tweeted a link to this room and nobody joined, I have no influence :[
 
so i'm rewriting this code, and i'm stuck on the same damn part and don't remember what i did ha
 
@rchern Used jQuery?
@DanGrossman Maybe they just don't have enough rep!
 
Possibly
 
@TimStone hehe yes, jQuery IS the problem (;
 
Heheh
 
2:41 AM
I always wanted to build up a lot of reputation so I could link to the SO profile from my portfolio site, but it takes a huge investment waiting for questions you can help with and getting in before someone else answers
 
3:28 AM
Coming along... I now have a relatively up to date profile dangrossman.info/profile
resume needs to be redone from scratch now
 
4:00 AM
@DanGrossman The last part is way too humble
 
really why
 
"d love to build you a WordPress plugin or custom develop a new feature for your website."
seems you are offering to do just small things
 
I don't really know what I'm offering :x
 
nobody does
:)
Just try to sell better
:)
 
I don't really need to find work I just have all this free time going unfilled
wish I had occasional projects for other people to fill it
haven't been motivated enough to fill it with my own for some reason
 
4:04 AM
ohhh well ... inspiration comes and goes
where are you from?
 
back when I was supporting WP Review Site (a wordpress plugin) I got a lot more mails asking me to make WordPress plugins and tweaks, haven't gotten those since I sold that project half a year ago
Pennsylvania, USA
You are in Argentina?
 
I'd try to engage in another technology. Not because WP is bad, but if you don't get something excuting there, look somewhere else ... then return (perhaps)
yep, buenos aires
 
I'm trying, I usually work in PHP or Python, I'm using Ruby/Rails for a new service but haven't been motivated to work on that much this week
 
Are you freelancing only, or do you have a paid job?
 
Neither really, I mostly live off revenue from subscriptions to my webapps
 
4:09 AM
goooood
 
If I don't give myself work I can waste away entire days and nobody notices
 
that's really good
go fishing, hunting or dancing, or university or whatever
 
hehe, I probably should go on a proper vacation one of these years
 
yeees
very good idea
 
I promise no greater than 2 business day response time for customer support, I have not been away from a computer for more than 1 business day in over 6 years
 
4:13 AM
Doesn't seem too bad for me. I have been in this for more years than you can count :)
 
cool what do you do
I see cobol in your tag list, that's definitely before my time!
 
Nowadays mainly consulting .. whatever it is :)
wow! I reached daily cap two days in a row with the same answer.
And damm ... 4000 rep points to trash
I did cobol for 15 years. Banking. There are still a lot of cobol apps, but I didn't touch a cobol pgm in ten years
It's not as bad as non-cobol programmers think
 
I saw a little COBOL still in use at DuPont when I did an internship there... and ancient data in DB/2... they transferred a COBOL developer onto our team to write C++ and he wrote 300 line nested if statements
 
well stupids can program in any language
:)
 
very true
 
4:22 AM
the problem with most cobol programmers is that they were reluctatnt for many years to learn other technologies
bad for them
I was more on the tecnical side
As a "systems programmer"
It was an old mainframe job
 
i see
 
We were in charge of the OS. Very complicated beasts
 
Those are still good jobs since nobody is teaching new people to work on them
 
Yes, but the downside is also pretty big
you have to be permanently actialized on obsolete technologies
please forgive my English and typing .. :)
 
your english is fine :)
 
4:27 AM
Thanks!
It used to be better
How are your PHP skills?
 
Very good, it is my main language for the web
I wish it had a better reputation
 
A friend of mine is going to sell me an app for the health industry in PHP. I'll need someone seasoned to take a look at the code and give an opinion
I mean , quality, manteinability, etc
not the functional side of things
only the technical
If you are in the mood, just drop an email and when thing happens I'll contact you
 
I wouldn't mind taking a look for you one day, and at least tell you if they're doing something horrible
Sure, my e-mail is dan@dangrossman.info, and there's a contact form on my website if you bookmark
 
yeah, that's the first thing I need - a GO ' NO GO
I don't know how public is this chat
damn
 
The transcript is Google indexed
 
4:39 AM
anyway my mail is oboriso at tic2g dot com dot ar
 
eventually
 
well is like speaking openly to the world :)
/// test
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A: Understanding "randomness"

belisariusJust a clarification Although the previous answers are right whenever you try to spot the randomness of a pseudo-random variable or its multiplication, you should be aware that while Random() is usually uniformly distributed, Random()Random() is not. Example So, both are "random", but thei...

wow
 
any wpf geek in here?
 
nope, thanks God :)
 
except me
and why thanks god??
 
4:58 AM
Was a joke, don't mind. I was involved (entering late) in a project where the main issue was migrating form .Net 1 in the middle of a big development.
100 developers ... ha!
They weren't able to do it
and the project went ashtray
 
@rchern I feel for you. To share, my standard facepalm is: we use our build script to combine multiple js into a single (or few) js. So you edit the individual files, but the client sees the composite...
...now imagine you've made some complicated change to the js, requiring actual thought etc. Smugly sit back and press [Ctrl]+[Shift]+B (I'm in VS). WTF!!! where did my work go! Dammit, editing the composite file again!
 
5:24 AM
interesting
got what sounds like a fax on voice mail, and lookup says the sending number is a cell phone
who sends a fax at 1am
 
lol
 
 
1 hour later…
6:54 AM
~ Still alive ~
 
:)
 
@DanGrossman do you have proof?
 
Perhaps we should administer a Turing test?
 
OK; Q1: are you a human?
 
I believe I am a human
who is playing Starcraft 2
 
7:39 AM
Darling, you remain as aesthetically pleasing as the day we met. I believe I am the most fortunate sentient in this quadrant of the galaxy.
 
if you really want to cause offence, go for "aesthetically adequate" or similar ;p
 
7:58 AM
Scary, click this link and find out how many behavioral ad networks have cookies in your browser
 
8:41 AM
Wow, apparently I filled my PHP error log (2.1GB)!
 
@DanGrossman "ERROR:Either your browser does not support cookies or they are currently disabled in your browser's settings." :P
 
@DanGrossman Eh... was that over two years or in a single afternoon? ;)
 
cookies are for the kids.
 
oh a very long time
this server must be at least 2 years old
I was wondering why running php at the command line was suddenly giving me "file size limit exceeded" errors... that didn't sound like a PHP error!
 
@DanGrossman you should start using logrotate.
@DanGrossman or is it Windows? hah.
 
8:46 AM
no, redhat
logs are rotated, but not the php error log
I am starting to spin up Ubuntu servers instead of RHEL/CentOS servers recently, getting tired of having to set up all these alternate package repositories to get any recent versions of software on RedHat... the enterprise-certified versions are always very old
 
@DanGrossman ouch. Looong time I don't use PHP, well, except for some quick tests I made using CodeIgniter and CakePHP few months ago.
 
I've had this book preordered for over a month, they keep pushing back the publish date
 
9:16 AM
<[^say>ola]
:P
 
no comprende
 
@DanGrossman copy and paste my text and you'll understand it.
 
maybe because it's 5AM and I haven't slept yet? but I don't get it
 
@DanGrossman no worries. It's 7am here. I completed all my tasks, so I have the day off. Will spend it sleeping though, haha.
 
I'm seeing things that aren't there out of my peripheral vision
I should go to sleep
 
9:24 AM
@DanGrossman your sleep abstinence seem to be a quite effective drug.
 
aha
it doesn't work in Chrome
I switched to Firefox to see
 
works fine on my chrome.
 
nothing here on Chrome 6
 
So frustrating, I realise there's no-one I know with whom I can share bobince's masterpiece
 
@Benjol reality is really tough.
 
9:44 AM
The <center> cannot hold it is too late.
 
 
2 hours later…
12:06 PM
So. Good morning all.
It's a beautiful day in New Orleans. Hopefully the same to all of you.
 
It's nice, although a bit cold, here in Norway
 
I shudder to think what "a bit cold" means in Norway.
A bit cold for me is 10-15 C
 
@DanielStraight "A bit cold" in Singapore is the temperature falling below 20 degree C. It never does that, not even after 2 straight days of raining. You'd only get that in artificially cold environments
 
That doesn't seem altogether bad.
 
@DanielStraight Except for the mosquitoes. Living on the fourth floor of an apartment block beside a park guarantees mosquitoes at all time of the day
Oh, and staying in the sun for any extended period of time from 11am to 5pm would get you sunburns
 
12:14 PM
Mosquitoes we have in abundance in New Orleans. Though not so much now that it's "a bit cold."
 
@DanielStraight 8C by the looks of things: accuweather.com/en-us/no/oslo/oslo/quick-look.aspx
Not much better here in Swissland
 
Well 8 C doesn't sound so bad.
 
12:38 PM
I need somebody here to say something, so that I can test out this script I'm working with, but please don't @-mention me, that part of the script isn't ready yet. Thanks.
 
cool
Now tell me... Is it working ?
 
@Chouchenos NaN error... well, this needs more testing
 
That was kinda vague
 
:(
I don't know why
But I want it to work
 
@DanielStraight Well, I'm trying to create a script that instead of using title to notify you, uses the favicon instead
 
12:41 PM
Interesting.
 
I don't like the sound, and want to pin these rooms so that I can save some space on the tab bar
 
There's a guy on the New Orleans Urbanspoon who is going through and adding every single location of every single chain restaurant in the city. I have the Urbanspoon New Orleans new restaurant feed in my Google Reader. All the useless new items are maddening.
 
1:02 PM
@MarcGravell ouch ):
 
what is it with all inane questions on SO lately?
 
there are no stupid questions ....? Well, till people ask them i suppose ...
 
@Hannes - that's a total myth, there are lots of stupid questions :)
 
well, inane is not necessarily stupid, it's more "meaningless"
 
@Simple, easy, all the intelligent people have been nerd sniped by chat ;)
 
1:25 PM
I've been nerd sniped by wondering how chat is a nerd snipe
 
1:35 PM
Chicago is sunny today!!! wooo hooo
 
@Doug Lucky you.
 
I wish I could tell if it was sunny or not
 
&Chouchenos I know!!! :)
@Daniel - Go for a walk
@Daniel - They have you tucked deep inside the pentagon eh
 
Well, no pentagon, but definitely deep
No windows in either the room I'm in or any immediately adjacent rooms.
 
@Daniel damn
@Daniel like a casino
 
1:43 PM
Technically no windows in any room immediately adjacent to those rooms either, but one of those rooms is the warehouse which has a permanently open sliding door
 
@Daniel - ohh yes the warehouse
@Daniel i wish i had a warehouse at my office
 
I'll trade you for a window
 
@Daniel just lots of people waking around who can barley speak english
@Daniel it might not be worth it
 
Well everyone here is fluent in English
 
@Daniel - see exactly my point ;)
 
1:58 PM
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2:42 PM
yaaaawn
 
 
2 hours later…
4:46 PM
whats up people
 
5:08 PM
.
 
5:41 PM
So, it seems quiet is the theme of the day
 
5:57 PM
@Daniel - Apparently
 
@CadeRoux Did you make it CC B&BBQ?
I confess I don't have much to add to break the quiet.
Unless anyone is interested in how incredibly delicious lentil sloppy joes can be
 
It's quiet in SO chat most of every day :/
 
Yes, this does seem true.
 
@DanielStraight Only on Saturday. Caught the end of Stanton Moore Trio w/ Anders Osborn through to most of Luther Kent. Had cochon de lait po boy, vaucresson's hot sausage, spring rolls.
 
I was there about the same time. Missed the hot sausage, but tried the BBQ chicken. Also had jerk chicken and pork and a pulled pork taco. Tried a bite of the cochon de lait too. Delicious.
 
6:07 PM
They were sold out of the BBQ chicken sausage, so I had to settle for the hot sausage, and I was looking forward to trying to check it out on Sunday, but it was not to be.
 
making me hungry!
 
I'm getting hungry again, and I just ate lunch myself!
 
6:19 PM
Hope you guys are getting your 5-a-day. You need to take notice of what Jamie Oliver has to say :)
 
Weird. When I was there, they were sold out of hot, so I had to settle for chicken.
5-a-day of what?
 
@DanielStraight That's really weird.
 
The Joint sold out basically when I got there, so that didn't help.
 
@DanielStraight fruit and veg - I know these may be foreign words to you :)
 
@DanielStraight Yeah, when I got there, one thing was taped over and the next time, they were done. Not sure what the deal is with that - how can that happen on the first day?
 
6:27 PM
@PiersMyers Not at all. I don't even eat meat at home.
@CadeRoux It seems the turnout was higher than expected, but still
 
@DanielStraight Looking forward to Mirliton Fest.
 
@CadeRoux Don't know if I'll make it out for that one or not.
Though I do love mirlitons
Why does the .NET standard library sometimes copy objects by a method, sometimes by passing an existing object to a constructor...
 
@DanielStraight The mirliton bread is good. That pickled chow chow is good (I think you can get that in supermarket, though).
 
@CadeRoux Does mirliton bread taste anything like zucchini breaD?
 
6:43 PM
@DanielStraight Yes.
 
sounds good
 
@DanielStraight What do you mean? Examples?
 
I guess I may be imaging things, but I was working with XElements are surprised to find a constructor for copying rather than a method. I can't think of a counterexample off the top of my head, but it was my expectation.
*imagining
 
Do you mean the difference between:
var x = existingObject.Clone();
and:
var x = new SomeObject(existingObject);
 
Yes, in general
 
6:55 PM
You can edit your last message by hitting the Up arrow-key, within 2 minutes of posting it, and you can edit the other messages (also within 2 minutes) by using the little dropdown-menu to the left of it
 
Well that's darn helpful
 
Is there a way to use an IRC client with this chat?
 
8:02 PM
dances
 
8:14 PM
hope your dancing is better than the guy in this video:
 
that was quite disturbing :)
 
You're welcome
 
8:44 PM
 
wow, the tavern is open on chat.so now. Cool!
 
9:02 PM
Wish I had invested more in Apple when it was cheaper
their holiday quarter is going to be amazin
 
9:29 PM
Why would you pay huge amounts of money to attend college and take programming classes.. then pay people to do the programming assignments for you?
 
9:47 PM
these squirrels must be blind
 
looking for a good IRC channel for discussing data structures and algorithms. any suggestions?
 
threw a big handful of peanuts into the rocks outside my glass door, they stand there on the rocks like they cant see the nuts that are on top, digging through them to get nuts that fell between rocks
that's an odd topic for IRC
 
10:07 PM
@spoon16 Why not here, or one of the other rooms here?
 
Heya. I've got a question regarding why Tkinter isn't working for me in the Python room. If anyone could take a look I'd appreciate it. chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/15466#15466
How does the markdown work for code I couldn't seem to 'get' it by using back ticks.
 
@DanGrossman Thanks Dan but I don't get it. It sees the module path ( ile "/opt/local/Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/2.6/lib/python2.6/lib-tk/Tkinter.py", line 39, in <module>)
Ooh hang on. albino:etc gyaresu$ echo $PYTHONPATH
/opt/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages:
That doesn't look very 2.6 now...
 
hehe nope
I can't really help much, setting up python environments isn't something I have a lot of experience with
if it doesn't work out of the box I spend a lot of time figuring out why
 
10:22 PM
Thanks Dan. It helps to think aloud sometimes though :)
Separate question though. The markdown for code didn't seem to do much for me. I'm obviously not driving it right. Suggestions?
 
Yeah that.
Back ticks just seemed to show up.
 
I know I made it work before but I don't remember how
 
As long as it's not just me ;)
 
well, github gists would still work?
 
10:40 PM
Hey @DanGrossman stopped seeing things that aren't there?
 
haha yes
can't decide what to get for dinner...
was thinking Domino's but my local Domino's won't even honor the deals run on national television, so I'm kind of put off from giving htem money now
 
@DanGrossman good. Believe it or not, I slept ~12 hours straight. Tonight will have more fun with mod_ssl.
 
wow that's a lot of sleep
My accomplishments so far today... responded to half a dozen support tickets and fed squirrels.
 
@DanGrossman yeah, unfortunately sleeping that much I feel like crap. But gym will recover me, hopefully.
 
11:28 PM
Wawa's "The Gobbler" = Very tasty Thanksgiving-themed sandwich! Hot roasted turkey, stuffing, gravy and cranberry sauce on a roll.
 

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