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12:46 AM
 
Wil
Are there any Visual Studio Experts here? Have a quick question that has been driving me mad all day... (Not really suitable for a SO question)
 
o:
 
1:11 AM
@YiJiang lol
 
I'm digging this
 
1:36 AM
@Wil what is it all about
 
Wil
@Shimmy Basically, I am trying to dig deeper in to VS and getting completely confused... In 2008, there was the device manager for messing around with emulators and devices - in 2010, when I install the Phone tools, I now get that drop down option again, but I was just wondering if there is any way to add more options like in 2008... it just seems like a backwards step
After digging around for ages, I found the %localappdata%\Microsoft\Phone Tools folder - but that is the furthest I got... I was just wondering if the target device field is just for the phone tools and nothing else... e.g. completely un-configurable
 
In fact I don't really work with WP... so I donno, but I think it would deserve an SO question if there isn't yet
 
Wil
You are probably right.... I wrote it all out, but I just thought I really want to have a chat with someone about it, rather than just get an answer... now I am talking (slightly) I think it would be a descent question!
 
I know what you mean, I am just not sure what's missing overthere, since it didn't came out to me to develop WP on VS2010, I used to do it in 2008
And don't be sure that if I didn't manage to help other won't either :)
I am pretty sure that not...
 
Wil
I just have one old program that is for Windows Mobile 6, the .bin image file works with the new emulator and I just don't want to install the entire VS 2008 just for this one project that needs a tiny change! Don't even really need the debugger, just want to make sure it works.
but also, I just want to learn more about VS and this has been driving me mad, not even sure why!
 
1:49 AM
I don't think I will be able to help you out, maybe on the 'General' chat where Yi Jiang is wandering, maybe he knows the answer..
I invited you to that chat

General

General discussion
 
Wil
@Shimmy Thanks - it's ok, I am writing it up again for SO
 
@Shimmy Eh... no
I'm also lurking here, you know ;)
And no, I don't use VS, so I can't help
 
Hi folks
 
2:11 AM
@YiJiang Life is made of trials, you know
shit im bored dont wanna work
 
Do you have to?
 
i have millions of things to do
ran out of coffee out of beer, out of cigarettes
can't work!!
@DanGrossman oh yeah I have to big time
 
Oh, that's a shame
I am very lucky, if I don't want to work I just don't
 
@Wil Include the link to the question, maybe ppl'll see it
@DanGrossman I can choose not to work but i cant get to sleep either and most important my boss will realize where im up to and scream like an elephant
so you're still lucky anyway
 
Wil
@Shimmy do you have the phone tools installed? If you don't, can you check something quickly?
Just want to make sure I am not being stupid...
 
2:25 AM
I think I did :(
 
Wil
No problem - I just don't fully remember and was wondering if the device target is greyed out or simply missing on a standard installation... i'll take an educated guess on missing!
 
Wil
2:40 AM
Here we go!
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Q: Visual Studio 2010 with phone tools - Any advanced/configurable settings?

WilIn Visual Studio 2008, there was the device manager for setting up additional templates and options for the emulator. None of these options are available with Visual Studio 2010 which I understand as the features were removed. When the Phone Tools are installed, the device target box comes back ...

 
 
1 hour later…
4:03 AM
I'm 26 and eating Lunchables.
 
No shame, lunchables are kinda.... Okay, maybe there is some shame, but it's marginal :P
 
I like the "supreme" kind better :P
 
I don't know what that is, but SUPREME always sounds good
 
They come in the larger cardboard boxes? They're usually right next to the ones that come in the smaller sizes.
My favorite is the pizza :/
 
4:48 AM
poke
 
5:45 AM
Authorize.NETs documentation is very conflicted!!!
 
How so?
I've implemented the AIM, ARB and CIM APIs
 
They list the number of fields in the payment gateway response table at 55
then they go onto say a bit later that in version 3.1 the response string contains a total of 68 fields
 
i guess 55 on are user defined
 
is there a reason to worry about the field count? you probably only care about the response code and error code
 
5:48 AM
yea you're right but i am just trying to code a response class that maps all the fields
to properties
 
i see
maybe not a good idea
at least not with hard coding the fields
 
yea maybe not
well i am just returning the array at a given position from a getter
so its flexible
i guess i just wanted to bitch about how the documentation isn't really cohesive
paypal is even worse though
 
heh
PayPal's developer site is huge, I don't even want to touch it
 
papal's docs are totally written with a slant toward you buying into all their services
and they make is very difficult to get to the info you need
 
if you go beyond Website Payments Standard you pretty much are
 
5:52 AM
its all a sales scam
yea
 
the TOS for Website Payments Pro says that if you implement the Direct Payments API you must also implement Express Checkout earlier in your checkout process
 
agreed
oh yes
i have done an implementation of that
and no you really dont
 
i've seen plenty of sites that ignore that :x
 
but they want you to have the express checkout button on your site
right on
 
I have Payments Pro active on my account even though I don't use it on any website
 
5:53 AM
they make is seem in the documentation that if you dont put the buttons in the right spot and use eveything they say somehow bad things will happen
oh really
so you pay the 30 bucks a month
or your just not using it?
 
pay my $30/mo so that if for some reason I couldn't use my merchant accounts to take credit cards, I could immediately use PayPal instead
I don't trust any payment provider :/
 
you u use authorize.net at the primary
me either
 
Today, PayPal sends me fuzzy messages like "because of your high transaction volume and history of low chargeback rates, we're allowing you to keep the funds from this disputed payment until the chargeback is resolvd". Tomorrow, if I do something wrong, I know they won't hesitate to freeze the account.
And yes I use authorize.net and PayPal standard primarily
 
i see
do you use a ipn callback for paypal standard
 
5:56 AM
does it work reliably
 
100% for many years
 
nice
 
the worst that's ever happened is a slight delay between the payment completing and the IPN post coming in
 
that the next implementation i am going to work on after the authorize.net
 
even if your own server goes down, they'll repeat the POST at increasing time intervals until it's back up
 
5:57 AM
nice
yea i read through the docs briefly
 
honestly I wish all payments on the internet worked like PayPal
 
any words of wisdom re implementation for paypl ipn
 
that everyone was used to going to a trusted 3rd party to pay without telling the site their information, that every payment provider had a simple postback to notify you of payments and updates to them
nobody but the providers would have to worry about PCIDSS, and they'd have better fraud detection than random webmasters setting up their first shops
 
agreed
 
not really, IPN is very straightforward, there's no gotchas
 
6:00 AM
how fast does the callback happen
delays?
 
normally, within 1-2 seconds of payment
 
its async right
ok
 
Dan, thanks for all the helpful info
 
you have to assume it might happen later, i.e. send your customer to a thank-you page before you really know they paid
 
6:01 AM
right
 
but you just script any actual order completion stuff (marking an order as paid, sending a confirmation mail) as the response to an IPN post, instead of to reaching the end of checkout
 
just delay the sending of an invoice maybe
got it
Have a great night - I am crashing!
catch you on again
 
g'night :)
 
night :)
 
6:21 AM
so tempted to go out and buy some junk food, that i really dont need at 2:30AM
 
 
4 hours later…
10:37 AM
Quiet sunday morning
 
10:52 AM
@LasseVKarlsen All Quiet on the Tavern Front
 
 
1 hour later…
12:03 PM
Sometimes it feels like the whole SML tag should be renamed to plz-send-teh-codez... Almost makes me wish universities wouldn't teach SML anymore.
 
test
 

Sandbox

Where you can play with regular chat features (except flagging...
 
 
6 hours later…
6:08 PM
I'm loving the mobile view of this chat
 
6:21 PM
yeah, it has evolved nicely
 
6:32 PM
Is every sunday going to be this quiet around here? :)
 
 
2 hours later…
8:03 PM
@LasseVKarlsen yes.
 
 
2 hours later…
10:09 PM
ELOH
 
10:23 PM
Has it been 2 hours yet?
 
?
 
10:37 PM
?
 
that's what i said!
 
SO is seriously quiet today. You'd think people have lives or something....
 

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