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5:00 AM
Haha what?
@Sheepy Yeah, I think that's an inevitable realization
 
user4196492
I spelled constructor wrong -_-
 
lol
 
user4196492
Sorry to anyone who looked through that code
 
user4196492
and it renders now
 
I was considering how to tell you that. Good.
 
5:08 AM
hey make me room owner, I want to see deleted messages
 
Hey. I've never done serious web development before and I was wondering. This whole Angular/Ember frontend thing. Do these frameworks replace some of the functionality of a backend? For example, can Angular or Ember talk to a database directly (like ElasticSearch or Mongo), get values from a database, and put those values into the web page without a web server?
 
@MichaelLafayette Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
no. always need a backend.
 
@Luggage So if you still need a backend, what is it for? Can't I use JQuery to grab HTML from a server and put that HTML in place of one of the DOM elements?
 
they replace the jquery.ajax -> html loop with a more modern all-client-side application framwork
 
5:12 AM
@MichaelLafayette And how does that html read from database?
 
@MichaelLafayette You can definitely use jquery. jquery is a library whereas angular or ember are frameworks.
 
@Luggage Huh?
@Sheepy - That HTML on the server side can be a template and that template can get values from a database.
@Mr_Green - When do you know you need something more than JQuery?
 
@MichaelLafayette when requirement is like that
 
For my website, I 100% need search engine optimization to work for every web crawler, not just popular ones in the US. I am also 100% not making a mobile IOS or Android app, but the website will have to work on mobile.
@Mr_Green Huh?
 
@MichaelLafayette That's the backend part of angular. So it's still a backend. And have or have not a backend does not affect your SEO or mobile compatibility at all.
 
5:17 AM
if the project has requirement similar to already present framework, then you should opt for a framework.
Frameworks are nothing but bunch of libraries like inbuilt components, inbuilt api calls, inbuilt dependency injections, inbuilt utility functions and lots more
 
@Sheepy - I am not aware that my requirements were similar to an already present framework. The way I did it in my prototype is I had a template for every page and that template had a body and a header. When the user went straight to the page, they got the whole thing loaded (body and header). When they clicked a link, JQuery just got the body and replaced the existing body with the new body and changed the URL using pushState/popState to make it look like it was a whole new page.
But the header stayed the same.
There were no page refreshes except for the first page.
 
@MichaelLafayette It seems you are not in a state to decide what technology to use. Let the senior dev or architecture decide this for you.
 
But if the user did not have Javascript, the links triggered a full page refresh (it went to the URL and got the header and the body).
I am a college student doing a startup on my own.
@Mr_Green This startup is very important to me.
 
then you need to learn alot
do somethings and make many mistakes while doing it.
 
I learned Play Framework, Django, Rails, HTML, CSS, LESS, SASS, Javascript, and JQuery
 
5:22 AM
ok good
 
I have not learned Angular, Ember, React, or Node
 
It is not necessary to learn everything. learn it if they cover your requirement.
 
The requirements are that this website absolutely must attract users from all over the world using all sorts of search engines. It cannot rely on weird hashbang directives or web crawler javascript execution to index a page.
 
ok do one thing. make a comparison table of the frameworks and decide whether to use one or not.
 
There is no chance that the initial product will need a mobile app (users will not want to get notifications on their phone)
 
5:24 AM
I agree with Mr_Green. Frameworks are not silver bullet. You need a backend, in any language. Doesn't really matter which at your stage, just find a tutorial site you are happy with and stick with it until you get it done.
If your requirement is "attract users", technical implementation is the least of your worries.
 
The thing is, I don't even know if a javascript framework will be beneficial. I mean if it messes up search engine optimization I don't want it. And if the only benefit is to be able to provide JSON instead of HTML so that the same backend can be used for both an iPhone app and also a web page, I don't want that either.
 
@MichaelLafayette you can just do most of the stuff in the back end. That works too and is better for SEO and disability.
 
@MichaelLafayette Search engines don't run JS at all. Hope that answers your biggest question.
 
there are pros and cons for each framework. You must decide based on your requirements. If you are unable to decide then don't use any. Go with JavaScript/jQuery.
 
@littlepootis "better for SEO and disability"- you mean like screen readers? I would like to be able to have blind users as well.
 
5:29 AM
@Sheepy Google does
 
I wrote an article where I explained the same. uxrim.com/technical/2016/03/29/required-js-libraries just grasp whatever seems necessary for you
 
@littlepootis Let's not distract the discussion by getting really technical...
 
@MichaelLafayette if you care about accessibility, don't use front-end frameworks. And thanks for caring about them :)
 
We need internet education in schools, to teach people how to check if something written on internet is valid.
 
@MichaelLafayette Don't forget to test for color-blind. Even if you only design for partial colour blind, it will be very much appreciated.
 
5:30 AM
@Abhishrek how do you check that?
 
@AwalGarg how do you check how credible is a book?
 
You can't without good previous knowledge about the topic at hand etc.
 
@AwalGarg yes you can :-|
 
educate me, then
 
@AwalGarg Author, Publisher, other work cited etc etc.
 
5:32 AM
-_-
 
lol
 
"YOU KNOW YOU SHOULD JUDGE ALL THESE BOOKS BY THEIR COVERS" ~ Shrek for President 2016
 
@AwalGarg not by the cover :P, also that proves you have never read any good paper.
 
I judge novels by how long the series remain featured in bookshops. In term of years.
 
@Sheepy Thats not possible with scientific articles, is it?
 
5:34 AM
I judge novels by reviews
 
Scientific articles is a lot easier. Find how many times it is quoted by other papers.
 
@Mr_Green shh, we don't like sensible talk here
 
!!game or learn
 
@Shea learn
 
it is true :)
 
5:35 AM
^
But when you check the reviews for a book by say Richard Dawkins, thats a subreddit in its own regard.
 
Ultimately, you must read it yourself to decide. Other people trust it doesn't mean you must trust it too. Do you trust your church's interpretation of the Bible?
 
Yes, whole-heartedly
 
I read few starting pages, if it seems interesting I continue otherwise I don't
 
:D
 
:P
 
5:38 AM
> Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
goes to church on the first day
 
I didn't believe The Art of Programming is a must read. Until I saw it in the library and give it a try one day. Then the second book. Then the third. Then I am a believer. ;)
 
I haven't read it yet
 
I am ok without reading art of programming
will give it a try.
 
@Mr_Green who was that guy from the hinduism room who was a movie fanatic?
 
Yeah. Time change. I'd say it is less useful now than then, but should still be inspiring.
 
5:45 AM
@AwalGarg Ankit sharma
 
I wish I had the mental capacity to finish a book
 
why?
 
@Shea Train thyself
@Sheepy That's pretty much why I haven't started it yet
 
it's okay, no need. I (should) start meds on Thursday
 
Seems like it'd be very educational, but in a more "how things came to be" sense than "now you can do this!"
@Shea For what? ADHD?
 
5:46 AM
yeah
took me 7 hours to finish The Matrix today
 
@Sheepy "The Art of Programming " looks scarry. The last time I tried a mathy programming book, it was the book "Category Theory by Awodey" and I didn't understand a damn thing.
 
@MichaelLafayette Haha, I know that feel. The key is to keep re-reading / Googling things until you do
 
I think I'd now recommend head first design pattern as the intermediate programming book of choice... see how low I have sink...... Q.Q
 
And the thing is, I took calc, stats, diff-eq. But that category theory. Apparently "algebra" is both a grad level math course and also something you take in seventh grade.
@Sheepy "head first design pattern"... I read like 10 pages out of that book. It was pathetic.
 
Hmm. I like it better than GoF's classic.
 
5:52 AM
It used cute phrases to describe CORBA and skeleton proxies.
 
Exactly! I love it! :D
 
:-(
The best software book I have ever read is "Two Scoops of Django". "The Mythical Man Month" gives classic advice like "make a prototype to throw away, and then grow software gradually", but the Djengo books actually gives modern advice like how to best use a logger for a system with multiple modules, how to debug, etc.
 
It is one of the few programming books with a female author, by the way. Just learned that this month.
Mythical Man Month is a great one too. Didn't read the other.
 
No wonder
 
I think the prototype advise is very sound from my experience. Which should be, hmm, above average.
 
5:57 AM
"Two Scoops" is for if you are going to be doing any sort of MVC web developement (Rails, Djengo, or Play).
@Sheepy What year are you?
 
@JasonMarsh Still haven't come up with a plausible solution, still
 
I have to compare the array element to it's neighbor and establish if it's bigger, then set it to the lower
then sum them up somehow and their speeds
 
user2620028
@Zirak I don't want to bot anymore
 
@MichaelLafayette I'm in my early 30s. Still a long way to go...
 
6:02 AM
@Sheepy I'm in my early 20's, lol
 
@TsvetanDimoff For each group, you only need to record the sum and the speed of the first car. Other cars must be slower than it. Any car that is equal or slower is a new group.
 
I'm about to log off, but my email is johnmichaelreedfas@gmail.com .
 
You're welcomed here any time~
 
you should not post personal contacts here
 
@Sheepy I'm trying to wrap my head around it
I'm trying to push the values to an array and then operating on it
 
6:06 AM
I think he is gone, shall we call mod to delete the above msg?
 
Sorry it's time for my flock to graze. I'm sure others can help too. Best luck and bye~
@Mr_Green No need. Some people leave public contact. See linkedIn.
 
I am ok
 
6:40 AM
long email is long
!!> 'johnmichaelreedfas@gmail.com'.length - 'awal@js.org'.length
 
@AwalGarg 17
 
@AwalGarg O-o
 
hi
 
hi
why you keep a gay guy as pic?
what you said?
 
@Mr_Green Because i am not homophobic
@AwalGarg hi
@Mr_Green Who is sad?
 
6:46 AM
even I am not
@AnkitSharma said not sad :/
 
you guys still go to hinduism.se? I keep getting notifs for that account and a couple upvotes randomly every other day or so.
 
I do occasionally. he is mod there
 
Hi all, need help with this question...
 
..
 
lol
 
6:49 AM
@AwalGarg I am mod there, so i have to
 
I see :)
 
@Mr_Green shut up
Don't be so jealous
 
Being able to be jealous of a mod on a random internet site gotta take some guts
 
hey don't worry he is mod on stackexchange not here
 
6:52 AM
Yeah both of my diamonds belongs to chat.stackexchange.com
@Mr_Green But for ur GK, edited message are not that secret, we can check the history, no mod power needed for it
 
yeah I understood that just now
I should have deleted that
 
its almost like ankit is gonna stab green over the internet because of that message :P
@AnkitSharma recommend me some scifi movies? I don't watch TV so my knowledge about those things is 0. But I wanna pick up some these summers
was watching some wolvering movie yesterday while having cookies. it looked good
 
The last one i checked is The butterfly effect
 
@Abhishrek ^
 
@AwalGarg Star Trek TNG
 
6:57 AM
@Mr_Green what?
 
@AwalGarg why u left Hindusim.se?
 
or Stargate SG1
 
@AnkitSharma time
 
ohhh
 
@AwalGarg lmme link you something on hangouts
 
6:58 AM
@littlepootis HE had issues with my profile picture, He is a gay character from Game of thrones
 
@littlepootis Renly baratheon
 
Actually I am sorta shy of my hinduism profile now. @AnkitSharma wanna disassociate all my content from my account? (I guess using those mod powers must feel nice) :P
 
@Mr_Green Anyways do you hate that character?
 
doesn't matter. he is dead.
 
@MadaraUchiha can awal garg be freed form his past assosication to hinduism.se?
 
6:59 AM
@AwalGarg shut up
 
Is that homophobic?
 
@AnkitSharma Why?
 
@Abhishrek he is joking, never take him serious
 
@AwalGarg are you?
 
@AnkitSharma I am serious. What should I do to get this done? Flags?
 
7:00 AM
I don't really think he's better or worse than most of the thousand+ characters on that show
 
@AwalGarg ping madara?
 
@Abhishrek he isn't a mod on hinduism.
 
@Abhishrek Manadra is not CM, so he can't help
 
but I might ping him later to have this conversation eradicated too
 
shog can help
 
7:00 AM
@AwalGarg but he can ask if its even possible.
 
@AwalGarg don't be there are users who asked more worst questions. take ankit sharma as example. (you will know when you check his top answer)
 
@AwalGarg I don't have powers on all sites
You probably need an employee.
 
@MadaraUchiha you have in this chat, and the "conversation" refers to this specific conversation :P
 
@MadaraUchiha so you are just our King Kai?
 
@AwalGarg Do you know your jokes, are creating issues?
 
7:01 AM
Use the contact us link on Hinduism
 
@AwalGarg brb scraping all your posts on Hinduism.se
 
I thought of you as beerus :-|
 
@AnkitSharma huh? I am serious. no jokes dude
@littlepootis I will fucking kill you :D
 
Oh yes!
thats a wonderful Idea
screenshots on!
 
@AwalGarg Then i didn't got the reason
 
7:03 AM
Its his choice, he is entitled to it.
 
@Abhishrek On chat, he has full power, on SO ans SE both. So u can call him beerus of chat ;)
 
!! /didn't got/didn't get
 
@Mr_Green That didn't make much sense. Use the !!/help command to learn more.
 
@CapricaSix lol
 
I don't always want to be offended, but when I do, I turn to the internet.
 
7:04 AM
@Abhishrek yeah but his message (chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/30239340#30239340) clearly targeting me and ended with ":p"
 
@AnkitSharma that account just feels stupid to me. the answers, questions, everything is just silly. I didn't contribute massively either ways. I was just one of the top users during the starting phase of the site. and now it appears on my list of top accounts on the SE network
 
> Why didn't Kamsa keep Vasudeva and Devaki in separate cells?
 
@AwalGarg so you can hide it from account list
 
Ahem.
 
@littlepootis XD
 
7:06 AM
no need for disassociation
 
@AnkitSharma how
 
4
A: What is a "hidden account"?

user306364A hidden account is one that is...well.. hidden from view. You can see this in the Edit Profile & Preferences, then click on Hide Communities, there should be two lists - Visible Communities and Hidden Communities and options to hide and unhide communities. To see your complete list, go to your ...

But site mod can check you hidden Communities
@AwalGarg Other option is to come back on hinduism.se and try asking good quality questions :)
 
@AnkitSharma cool, done. thanks.
12 mins ago, by Awal Garg
@AnkitSharma time
 
disassociation is too drastic step and can't be reversed at all
@AwalGarg hmmmm
 
@AnkitSharma share your hinduism top answer with us here
 
7:11 AM
23
A: What does Hinduism say about masturbation?

Ankit Sharma The Hindu treatise on sex Kama Sutra (4th to 6th centuries AD) does not condemn masturbation at all and moreover explains in detail the best procedure to masturbate; "Churn your instrument with a lion's pounce: sit with legs stretched out at right angles to one another, propping yourse...

hahahahah
I remember some comments about this, wait
 
@AwalGarg they are all deleted
 
@AnkitSharma I took a screenshot
 
right!
@littlepootis ^
 
I remember that screenshot
 
7:13 AM
...
 
haha
 
facepalm
 
I can't stop laughing. laughing like mad
 
I still think question is not wrong or answer
we are not "dharam k thekedaar"
 
yeah but comments were funny. alien said not to do that, that made me laugh
 
7:16 AM
So we should have open opinions
And should be civil and open minded at same time
@Mr_Green But it went too fat that we had too remove those comments
 
yeah true
 
It was mostly because of me trolling like crazy. the "live demo" stuff
 
hahahahha
 
and I said to a guy if he can't understand then go with aliens answer. haha
 
@AwalGarg Anyways ur Q/A is not as bad as u think it is ;)
 
7:19 AM
@AnkitSharma They are good according to that site, but I am talking about that site as whole. It is silly :P
 
@AwalGarg wow, you hurt my feelings
Anyways there is people getting interested in meta and i think it's a good sigh
 
I don't think they are silly even if it is considered as whole
 
Problem is we need more people answering the question and i think more editors/voters too
 
I have a feeling that this is not a conversation for the JavaScript room on Stack Overflow.
@SomeKittens Neat! Bought
 
7:21 AM
@MadaraUchiha Chatrroom can be off-topic sometime ;)
 
@AnkitSharma it's rarely on topic
 
@MadaraUchiha chill. it is not religious and still more on-topic than reddit's front page because this is about SE anyways.
 
Anyways you guys can carry on JS thing, i will go then ;p
 
@AwalGarg Yeah, that's not what I meant @AnkitSharma
 
no stay. you came after long here.
 
7:22 AM
We can (and often are) off-topic
But this discussion sounds like something that should be on your chatroom over on Hinduism, or in your meta
 
@MadaraUchiha When are we on-topic?
 
everybody panic! :D
 
The last I remember, an on topic discussion about js in this room took place on the day Zirak sacrificed a goat on his 13 birthday!
 
we are not talking anything about Hinduism. was just fun about a post :)
 
zirak is 13 already? hwat
 
7:24 AM
Zirak is 13 days old already?
 
@Mr_Green Did i ever came here before O-o, i think i only came to HTML room only on SO
 
no you came here once arguing with a guy that he told you stupid. I think you forgot that.
 
@Abhishrek :O O-o
 
you stupid :P
 
Zirak is 94 you idiots!
 
7:26 AM
Room 11 is the most on-topic room on SO.
 
@MadaraUchiha No we were just discussing about a controversial Hinduism answer and bizarre comments under it , awal abandon us , so we can't discuss it fully on Hinduism chat
@Mr_Green grrr.....that was also because of u. Anyways u also fall for that trick
 
@littlepootis next comes python I think
 
@AnkitSharma Who is U?
 
@JanDvorak *are
 
@JanDvorak pls
 
7:29 AM
and U should be small.. u
 
rekt
 
are you saying that he is a u?
 
What's the topic?
 
@JanDvorak he is u
@winhowes u is
@AwalGarg I've only been there once, so I don't know
 
7:32 AM
@JanDvorak So u mean only a she can be u and he can't be u or u mean @Mr_Green can't be he or he can't be u :O
 

Jan got rekt

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Bookmarked 9 secs ago by Awal Garg

 
@AnkitSharma what do you mean?
 
@AnkitSharma ok now go off
!!urban rekt
 
@Mr_Green Rekt When someone gets completely destroyed.
 
"Wrecked" in l337 talk
 
7:38 AM
Wait, I got wrecked? Somehow I didn't notice.
5
 
@JanDvorak Ewe
 
@JanDvorak You said who is u(you), even when i clearly used "@Mr_Green" in start made me wonder what was wrong with the word "u", so i tried to clear it
 
poor Jan got so much wrecked, he wasn't even able to notice
 
@JanDvorak no you were right
 
@Shea But who is you ;D
 
7:41 AM
who are Ankit?
 
idc
 
ok now stop show off
 
@Mr_Green what? When did I?
And don't ask me who is I now
@Shea but u asked ;)
 
rhetorical question
 
7:47 AM
hmmmm
 
rhect
 
such use of complex words makes me feel weak :(
 
hahahahha
 
@rlemon That's pretty nice, imagine the fingerprints
 
rhetoturtacticotactal question
 

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