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4:00 PM
!!zalgo the funding round closed without they come from the dark depths of right-sizing the market paradigm changing cthulhu ftaghn
 
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srsly cap
how can you let me down like that?
 
> We want to you work harder than anywhere you've ever worked ever, for a "fair market salary"
 
@SomeKittens I was sure the first line of "Must haves" was "Whale"
 
@ton.yeung It's CRAP index.
 
4:01 PM
Bitch, if I'm working harder than I've ever worked hard, you better pay me harder than I've ever been paid
 
but they want it to be cheap/fast/high quality, can't pay you more
 
@ton.yeung Just use CC.
@ton.yeung some code coverage tool
 
@SterlingArcher don't just throw money at me, launch it out of a t-shirt cannon
 
!!kaju-kishmish or some fruit thing I can't spell
 
@AwalGarg kaju-kishmish
 
4:07 PM
People think rockstar developers will settle for shit pay lol
god dammit
 
@SterlingArcher ....
 
!!zalgo @ssube You have failed us for the last time.
 
@Trasiva @̸̴҉̠̞̲̰͕̟s̺̜͗͑ͤͧ̀̍̈s̸̙̼̺͌ͨŭ̷̏́̌ͦ͑͟ḃ͉̟̰̮̾̑͋ȩ̼̺̙̹̀ͦ̓̉̀ ͊̚͏̟͚͚̙̗͞Y̓̈̓̇̋̑o̵̴͙̻͓͑̏ͩ̌ͧu̝̤̜̩͎͊̕͜͞ ̤̜̬͎̻̭́̉́h̙̞̪̦ͣͧ̂̒̓̾̍͝a̧̺͔͐v̵͕͑͗̑͛̒̇͞ȅͯ̚ ̸̸̪̠̦̲̗̰f̹̱̼͍͗͛̍̀͢a̽͏̴̨̫̗̬̯̩̺͎͘͜i̬̠̖l̉̏҉̲̦̹̗̦̻̤e̫̰̣͂̏͌̚d̷̢̯͙͔͙̏͗̍͠ ̷̎̚҉̩̹̲͝u̺̱̳̞̐͛̽̂̈́s̉ͨ̒́͏͎̼͖̪́̕͜ ̶͔͖̃́͝f͏̛͜ő͉̮͔͕̝͖ͩͭ̀ͅr͙̯ͯ̏̆̎̂ ̮͔̙̬̰ͪ̆ͅt̸̨ͣ͘ͅh̶̴̥ͦ͋́̀̚͘͘e̬ ̵̴̨̝̭̺̱̅ͅl̸͓̬̠̆̉̇͞a̡̔̂ͩ҉̡̛̬͚͉̳̻͡s̢̢̊͏̢̛̳̺̤ț̳̲̥̖ͨ͗͌̃̕ t̷̛̙͙̬̼̟̣́̀͞ͅi̖̰̟̿ͫ̏̈m̷̍̾ͪ̀̀͟͢͡e̯ͥ̍̌̏̇̐̌.̰
 
In america lol
 
@SterlingArcher "rockstar developer" means you have no idea how businesses work and probably write phone apps
no experience = no pay, in real life at least
 
user1596138
4:12 PM
@ssube I have no idea how businesses work
 
user1596138
That's why I'm a programmer
 
user1596138
Not a BA or management
 
I don't want to be called a Rockstar developer ever, on any official paper work
it's demeaning imo
> Hiring ROCKSTAR physicists
 
I'm a Monster programmer, myself.
What do they ask for when they want to hire a rockstar?
> Hiring a developer rockstar
 
user1596138
Well now days they jsut throw random words before developer
 
user1596138
4:16 PM
> Hiring Pornstar Developers
 
> Hiring phat ass ninja programmer rockstars
 
user1596138
> Hiring Barista Developers
 
user1596138
> Secret agent developers
 
> Work 80 hours a week at a cool ass startup with rockstar stock options once we go public. We also have board games and consoles you will never get to use because you're working. We also provide unlimited vacation, but good luck taking it!
 
user1596138
> SIKE! We will never go public xD
 
4:18 PM
@Loktar -> Every startup ever.
 
lol
 
@Loktar what if Rockstar hires you to make the next GTA?
 
@ssube oh shit.. good play on words
in that case you are a Rockstar developer haha
They must be pissed at all these job posting :p
 
tbf, I probably wouldn't for them either, but I bet they're the type to demand 100+ hour weeks
big game devs are real bad about that
 
oh for sure
so many horror stories about that
Activision was sued like 5 years ago for crazy work conditions iirc
 
4:19 PM
I had a buddy who worked on Bioshock Infinite and almost went nuts
 
AUGH THE PINGS
 
but that was half Sony's fault, cause he was doing the PS3 rendering stuff
 
hah yeah I never heard good things about developing for the PS3
I bet the PS4 is a dream compared to the PS3 days
 
MS knows how to do support and tooling and sending somebody to help you for a week
side effect of working with big companies who need that to update Word, I guess
 
@SomeGuy You cheated! Though seriously, I wasn't planning on publishing this. It originally was an in-joke from a Slack channel.
 
4:25 PM
!!tell 30253464 ^
 
@Zirak You're a whale, sir.
 
user1596138
> redicuoluos
 
user1596138
> Office located in trendy downtown district in order to burn VC cash faster
 
user1596138
@SomeKittens lmfao your post had me rolling
 
4:28 PM
Shit man, White males are honestly the lowest % of people we interview
I'm beginning to think the only programmers in the midwest are on H1Bs
 
user1596138
Right
 
@Loktar nope, but there are a few big recruiters trying to make that happen
 
@ssube yeah that's what I've seen
 
user1596138
@Loktar Oh I didn't even see that requirement lol. The rest is funny asf tho
 
we go through firms for our QA and get a fair number of visas. FTE, not so much.
 
4:30 PM
the wage wage gap must be crazy
> We will pay you 50k, We will bill 100k muahah
 
user1596138
Srsly
 
oh, we pay the firm garbage
 
user1596138
We had guys on H1Bs asking for what like $108/hr??
 
they pass on nothing
 
user1596138
And they (the candidate) will see like $40 of that
 
4:31 PM
QA makes $20/hr, if they're lucky
3-month contracts for non-skilled work can't really ask much
and that's all the previous QA manager choose to hire
 
user1596138
@ssube That's horribly unfair to the QA industry
 
user1596138
They're not all unskilled lol
 
and you can use that money to pay off your college debts... muahahaa
 
user1596138
You can go make the same money as a QA programmer as we do as developers lol
 
45 secs ago, by ssube
and that's all the previous QA manager choose to hire
 
user1596138
4:32 PM
@ssube Oh I thought you were blanket shit talking everyone in QA, my mistake :P
 
user1596138
Just making sure I keep the PC bro PC ;)
 
@ssube That's close to what I make a year >.>
 
@Trasiva you make $20/hr/yr?
 
@ssube That breaks out to about 41k a year. I make 45k.
41.6k*
 
but how do you afford hookers and blow? D:
 
4:39 PM
That's not terrible for a single person in Iowa though right?
 
@Loktar It's not terrible, no. I don't know if I could afford a mortgage on it or not on it though.
@ssube I uh...don't?
@Loktar The problem is the area around here is getting tragically expensive. My apartment's $850/mo
 
but then what do you do with your life, if you can't waste it?
 
user1596138
@Trasiva That seems great...
 
yeah 850 a month isn't too bad honestly
 
user1596138
I bet you can go get a ghetto one for $600. Sounds like bottom dollar rent prices for USA :P
 
4:41 PM
you should be able to get a house with a mortgage for 850 as well
 
Should I stage/commit every time I save a file? It seems like I should otherwise I won't capture all the edits.
 
lol not saying it's amazing pay or anything, but it's not poverty level pay either for sure
 
@Loktar my house rent is $1300 for about that many square feet
 
@ssube Right now? I'm working on getting back in shape. Work 8-9 hours, come home, work out, make dinner, read for an hour or two, sleep. Rinse/repeat.
 
for a family though 45k would be pretty damn rough
 
4:42 PM
I would be pissed about getting horribly underpaid, if rent wasn't dirt cheap
with two roommates, it's $500/person after utilities
 
damn nice man
lol @ssube my mortgage is cheaper than 1300
 
user1596138
Shit I am looking to rent for that much all alone :/. No friends here to room with
 
well my current one anyway
new one will be a bit higher
 
@Loktar Oh no, you're absolutely right. I mean it's a 860 sq foot apartment with a bedroom, living room, full kitchen with an island and breakfast nook, balcony, and a small den. Washer dryer included.
My utilities run about $250 every month.
 
user1596138
Currently my housing is like $1030/mo after utilities and garage etc all said and done for a 1br apartment but I am getting screwed a bit lol
 
4:44 PM
@Trasiva do you qualify for the VA loan?
if/when you buy a house definitely look into it
no money down, and no Mortgage insurance (pmi) required (which generally adds about $100 or so to your monthly payment)
 
@Loktar I do, but I'm still doing damage control from the shit storm my credit took after getting out. Lenders want at least a 650.
 
@SomeKittens Haha, I totally did :P
This the same bootcamp channel?
 
No comments on my node PR and an unpin :(
 
@ton.yeung I opened up a small ($200) credit card. I use that for all my payments except my rent. Keep the balance low after I pay it off. On time payments with my car, phone, and utilities.
@BenjaminGruenbaum I have it a reaction...which is what I thought you wanted.
@ton.yeung Every month.
I get it through my bank.
@ton.yeung Both. There's been nothing negative on it in almost seven months finally.
@ton.yeung ...didn't I just say I get them for free every month through my bank?
USAA
@ton.yeung I'm at a point where it looks like the only thing that will actually increase my credit is to increase my credit limit.
@ton.yeung I'm waiting until I get paid and my account looks a little fatter.
@ton.yeung I'm crazy, not stupid. Even if I do blur the line sometimes.
 
@Loktar :(
actually. nvm, after conversion it isn't that bad.
but your new place looks fukin sweeeet
 
4:57 PM
@ton.yeung Before everything happened when I got out of the military, I had a 760 credit score.
 
@Trasiva then you're too sober
 
@ssube I've actually stopped drinking period.
:30253998 I'm assuming there was a smartass comment there?
 
I accused you of burning up in sunlight
 
@ssube LOL
 
user1596138
I can't find a house :(
 
user1596138
5:04 PM
I'm gonna end up stuck in my gay apartment lol
 
user1596138
Since everyone else is talking about housing...
 
@ssube There's a lot of reasons I stopped. The probably the more serious of which is the fact that the VA won't prescribe me anti-depressants anymore. I do however, burn quite fantastically if exposed to the sun for extended periods of time, so you're not entirely wrong.
 
@SterlingArcher imgur.com/a/HyeKcTa omg bro
3
 
On that note, I'm out, shit to do.
 
@KendallFrey LOL wow
 
5:14 PM
OK I think I'm starting to understand this. Git doesn't affect your files themselves, it just shows you the code that was in them, and then it's up to you to copy and paste what you see back into the file?
 
@SomeGuy Nope, that's from Angular Buddies, spiraled out of a discussion of "Ninja" in job postings
 
@Waxi no, not at all
 
@Waxi nope
 
I think I worded that poorly, here's what I'm looking at...
 
git takes snapshots of your files
 
5:16 PM
If you want to use an older or different version of your code, you use git to check out that code, and it replaces your entire project with the other version
 
it records the difference (changes, patch) between two points in time, when you add and commit the file
you can jump to any of those previous commits and git will replay the changes to produce the old file
 
OK, so Git will actually write to the file then to take me to a commit I want?
 
If you want to permanently undo your changes, I think you use revert, and it will reverse everything you changed
@Waxi yes
 
yeah, revert inverts the patch
 
note that git doesn't work on files, it works on the entire repository at once
also note that you have to commit to get git to remember your changes at any given point
 
5:18 PM
That's what I wasn't understanding, if Git was actually touching my files. What I did was commit my entire project as the start, made a change 1 file, saved it, then committed that file, but I want that file to go back to the beginning. Trying to see how Git will change my file back to the first commit.
 
git checkout HEAD~1 file.js
check out the current - 1 version of that file
or, or or or, if you're adventerous, you could read the man pages: git-scm.com/docs/git-checkout
 
Do you want to undo your change, or simply start fresh and make new changes?
there is a difference
 
I just wanted to see if my file.js gets changed automatically when I tell Git to checkout a previous version.
 
yes
in effect, checkout replaces everything with the correct version
this may mean adding or deleting files
 
@KendallFrey checking out a commit does
when you're going back in time, checking out a single file is pretty common
 
5:21 PM
OK...that's what I needed to understand!! It's not a file system, but it works within the file system...how lovely.
 
@Waxi git is a smarter version of filesystem snapshots for text files
 
@Waxi I have an excellent article that explains how source control relates to the file system, one minute
 
@KendallFrey lol nice try
 
read that
@SterlingArcher cri
 
@ton.yeung @KendallFrey Thank you for these resources. I'm moving at a snail's pace, but it's starting to make sense the more I expose myself to these tutorials and explanations. I'm getting excited.
 
5:25 PM
yeah, branches are basically different versions of a project, for example, you could have a branch that is the same as the main version, but has an extra feature
 
Luckily I don't have to worry about remote repos, just using this for local control. Working on understanding commits and how to navigate between them, then will explore the branches. I think that's all I will ever use it for. I just needed some damn control between my pro and dev environments and what I was doing was terrible and had no record of anything.
 
and when that feature is finished and ready to use, you merge the two branches together
 
I assume if you merge a feature and it breaks the master or w/e, you just roll back to a previous commit.
 
@Waxi, kind of, sort of
 
@Waxi it doesn't break master
 
5:26 PM
@Waxi You make sure the feature works before you merge it
 
because you develop and test the feature on a branch, merge master into that branch first, test again, then merge back
the merge request into master can't be approved until the tests have all passed in the feature branch
 
and if you do royally fuck it up, you can always rollback
 
once you push a commit to an upstream (fancy word for a repository everyone is reading from), you shouldn't be taking commits out
 
@ssube Ok that makes sense!
 
@FilipDupanović any server worth its space will prevent force-push or delete
or has an option to do so
 
5:28 PM
I could probably get away with just a master and feature branches. I don't think I will need a development branch.
 
typically, you don't
I'm a huge fan of deploying the exact same revision/package to dev, test, uat, and prod
 
@Waxi There are some pretty complex ways of managing development with git, but they're so powerful it's hard to imagine going back once you start
@Waxi When I work alone, I just use one master branch
 
if it's in master, it will go to prod within a day or two
if it's not ready for prod, it stays in the feature/topic
 
When you're collaborating, branches are great for working in parallel
 
Man I haven't been this excited in awhile. Learning something new and something that's going to be extremely helpful.
 
5:31 PM
If you haven't read Pro Git yet, I recommend it, at least the first bit of it
 
@Waxi version control, typically git, is also a bare minimum requirement for most jobs
even big old enterprise shops tend to use some kind of VCS
 
Anyone who develops professionally without source control is making a huge mistake
 
Yeah, I've used version control, but nothing like git before. It was typically a check-in/check-out file system lol
 
My coworkers hate git
:''(
 
your coworkers are gits
 
5:34 PM
yes
 
teach them how to use git like svn
 
omg just thinking about that made me sad
someone happy me up
 
it's add && commit && push and pull
instead of breaking them up and actually teaching them how git works
 
I'm your father
 
We used to use mercurial
which was at least better than TFS
 
5:35 PM
oh, gross
 
TFS supports git repos now, IIRC
 
@KendallFrey soundcloud.com/andyditzler/another-customer just the most adorable song ever
 
I mean the actual TFS source control
The non-source control part of TFS is ok-ish
everything about VS and TFS is ok-ish
which is why I hate it
 
I had to use IBM's ClearCase on a huge Java project once
 
5:36 PM
And love the Unix philosophy
 
ClearCase will cut your life faster than smoking tobacco
 
@KendallFrey I still like VS, tbh. It's a great editor.
The project file format is also crazy powerful if you use variables and templates.
 
decent editor, yeah. but it tries to do too much
 
I'm confused on something though, having 2 computers. Am I supposed to make a repo on the production box as the master branch while doing the feature branch on the development box while somehow connecting them? Or should I just do it all on 1 computer and then just copy and paste files to the pro? What's the setup?
 
@Waxi never copy/paste
 
5:38 PM
@Waxi so there's that concept of an upstream, the repository you cloned from; when you have something to share with co-workers, you push to the upstream
 
on your development box: make changes, changes, add, commit
when the changes are ready, merge them into master, then push that to the server
your production server should always be on master, and if you're doing CD, the latest revision
you should never directly develop on master. Always use a branch, test, then merge.
if you're running travis or gitlab CI, you can put a stanza in your build manifest to run the tests, then push master to prod
many places can't do that (we can't, because deploying code requires a manager to sign off for DHS reasons), but if you can, it's dope
 
Ok so work locally, merge to master, then push to server. Does the server need git/repo for this to work?
 
yes
 
Dang that's gonna be so slick then...hated copying/pasting files.
 
@Waxi are you using some platform for deploying your app? most platform providers have first-class support for Git
 
5:42 PM
@ton.yeung Now that would be even better.
@FilipDupanović I don't think so?
 
Woo
done my taxes
:thumbs:
 
accomplished adult :muscle:
 
till next year CRA, till next year...
Selling shivs and bootleg liquor
No license
 
love my country; a single 10% income tax rate, no forms at the end of the fiscal year for individuals...
 
sell
I can brew like 250 gallons a year without needing anything
and that is almost unenforceable.
unless ofc I have like 500 gallons stock piled
still need a license
you cannot sell or serve alcohol unlicensed in ontario
I can give it away all I please tho
(in my own home)
 
5:51 PM
Oh shit, I never even looked into laws about brewing here. I should read up before I start my next batch
 
@ndugger USA is the same (basically)
I think the amount per year differs
@ton.yeung that is my understanding
!!urban bootleg
 
@rlemon Bootleg Normally, "bootleg" refers to goods illegally sold and distributed, without proper taxation, and at a loss to the original manufacturer of the goods. This can apply to anything, from booze to cigarettes to designer jeans, etc, as long as it is sold and distributed by other than legal means. Today the term is primarily used to describe stolen audio/video recordings that are illegally sold and distributed on the Internet.
 
nahh
just not legally distributed
 
@ton.yeung bootleg liquor is liquor you sell without issuing a receipt, without paying taxes and without having been inspected/issued a license
 

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