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12:00 PM
might be slower, sure, but it doesn't change the outer API in the slightest
 
Right, but it breaks the abstraction.
You can create your whole DOM with absolute positioning and createElement calls too
 
> Didn't they say that they got the inspiration from how games diff and re-render only whats needed
 
tree diffing isn't really a good abstraction for canvas, React's other ideas are cool though - build something with them
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum didn't I just say that I don't care about the diffing ;)
@Abhishrek no games do that really
 
vOv
 
12:02 PM
@Abhishrek lol, and apparently it's unmaintained
 
we're not in 1980s anymore
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I have 1 commit on it!
 
@BartekBanachewicz right, no no react-X, just X :D
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yeah. I'm trying to build the UI system for Hate now.
I mean I already have something, but I'd like to introduce better component isolation
 
look at elm or cyclejs
much closer to what you need
 
12:03 PM
Elm does linear FRP, I don't like that
 
Then you won't like cycle much either, it does model-view-intent through frp.
Not as linear but almost as linear
 
React packs things in components that define their whole operation in terms of simple typed input and output
and that's what I'd like to have
I'm kinda stuck on implementing that ATM, thinking about using data families for that
 
@BartekBanachewicz keep me posted if you come up with something.
 
@Abhishrek you do realize I'm writing this in Haskell right
 
@BartekBanachewicz language doesn't matter, it sounds interesting :P
 
12:06 PM
sure it does, I wouldn't bother otherwise
it's pretty challenging as well
 
I am learning haskell, among other things.
 
how is it going?
 
@BartekBanachewicz you don't like functional reactive programming?
don't forget that Elm converts into js under the hood
 
@KarelG irrelevant
@KarelG "linear FRP"
 
you cannot say "functional" to a procedural language, even if you decorate it or apply many make-up tools on it
 
12:09 PM
@KarelG what
 
Not very far gone yet, but I will get a lot more free time following this week. So I look forward to making some simple apps with Haskell :->
 
what even are you on about
it could compile to PowerPC assembly for all I care
@Abhishrek well then if you're into things that resemble games you can always try out Hate. It's pretty early still, but at least I provide support ;)
 
Not games, I tend to go too far when wanting to make games. Usually they end up abandoned.
 
@Abhishrek remaking old arcade titles is a good exercise for that, methinks
 
HateInvaders ?
 
12:13 PM
Space Invaders, Asteroids, Lunar Lander
they look nice and are playable, but their implementation is very narrow
 
Love and Hate, I see.
 
@Abhishrek yeah, Love2D was the main inspiration for Hate
it was called differently before but then I've changed the name
 
Howdy
 
I also had a nice logo but never made it nice enough to publish it
 
@BartekBanachewicz Lua - Love, Haskell - Hate, JS Port - Jerk ?
 
12:16 PM
I'm not thinking about the JS port yet
I was evaluating compilation to JS briefly but that's abandoned for now
a real port would need to be more idiomatic in JS
 
hence jerk.
 
did someone passed quiz davidshariff.com? I can not unserstand davidshariff.com/js-quiz/#q=15
its like putting in console foo: {a: 1} is returning 1 and i cant get what the fake
 
You're speaking in riddles
Which is funny, because you mention a quiz
 
what the fake
 
the fake is defining property not within object not returning any kind of error
 
12:19 PM
@Appeiron do you mean that you don't understand why the outcome is ... (see history)
 
@KarelG type in console foo: {a:1}
you ll get 1
 
that isn't valid js
 
it is
coz its working :D
 
o.O
 
@KarelG Im confused as well
 
12:21 PM
@Appeiron the fact it's working doesn't mean it's valid
 
@BartekBanachewicz Okay, then why its returning last defined value then... i can not understand what type conversion is happening
 
@Appeiron So, you're typing foo: {a: 1} ?
 
@littlepootis yup and hit enter
 
It works because labels
 
yeah I thought it's a label
 
12:25 PM
@BartekBanachewicz oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh
 
why do we have labels in JS?
 
because it's a shitty language
with gotos and other dragons
 
Beware, there be dragons!
 
@Abhishrek that's essentially what we are doing, but with more hacky machinery to support hot-reloading without restarting the server itself
 
12:26 PM
@BartekBanachewicz Dragons are the opposite of shitty.
Thought they'd probably shit a lot.
 
@AwalGarg node-mon + an fs walker should be fine
or fs.watch and a walker
 
@Cerbrus why? Do they smell like potpourri?
 
anyway thanx
 
@Abhishrek no because we need source transformation to automatically transform every module into a generator function
 
@AwalGarg where can i read this discussion about generator? and other design choices?
 
12:29 PM
@Abhishrek mine and benji's hangout logs? well they are privy :P
 
open-source them!
 
@Neil I can't believe I have to explain dragons are goddamn awesome
 
or in the spirit of open development, explain me privately on hangouts
 
no
 
I may have changed my stance on serious git usage having to be done through a console only. Can anyone vouch for GitKraken?
 
12:31 PM
@Waxi Good luck handling merge conflicts through a console.
 
The only thing Git GUIs are useful for is visualizing how far your project has come to make you feel good about yourself.
 
as much as I like git on the command line, I'll never, ever use it to diff files, let alone resolve conflicts
 
diff a b > out.txt
 
Guys, move on. It's 2016.
Any halfway decent git GUI will save you time compared to using the command line.
 
if you're into that sort of thing
use whatever you find productive and move on
 
12:36 PM
@rlemon Actually, that's probably the best answer.
 
there are IDE's that integrates git UI which i use
 
but i often use git by ps
 
I don't use git at all.
 
Do you think it's possible to run a client only chat?
 
12:39 PM
Sure it's possible
There'd only be yourself to talk to, though.
 
You'd need a server to set up different people...
 
webrtc
 
I mean, there's firechat... I'm not sure how those work.
 
@littlepootis that, but also helps find changes
@Thaenor you can back it with firebase or something
 
@rlemon I'll have to take a closer look at that.
 
@Thaenor That's p2p
 
@Cerbrus good point. I wonder if there is a javascript p2p lib
 
@Thaenor I'd be surprised if there is.
 
12:44 PM
@Cerbrus there is, Peerjs, I just linked it. All you need is someone else's ID and you can reach them... or at least that's what it says.
 
Ah, I see
Requires a server though
 
oh... you're right... nvm then
 
heroku
they even have a handy button on their github
 
It would be fun if there was a chat app without a back end. Just direct communication... but that doesn't feel feazable... unless...
 
@Thaenor read on webrtc, then look at peerjs
 
12:48 PM
@Abhishrek We just established that peerjs requires a server
 
@Cerbrus for signalling
 
I know
But a server is mandatory.
 
@Cerbrus well technically you can skip that using something like webtask.io or amazon lambda
 
dat title
 
12:50 PM
and it will scale well too :-> or support microsoft's ORTC spec where signalling isn't so tightly defined.
 
@Abhishrek I'm not familiar with either of those
 
@Cerbrus I'd recommend webtask.io
 
Looks like they are basically "not quite servers"
 
run a function :P, or an express app
 
But still, a 3rd party
4 mins ago, by Thaenor
It would be fun if there was a chat app without a back end. Just direct communication... but that doesn't feel feazable... unless...
 
12:53 PM
a decentralized approach
 
the "unless" backfired quickly... in theory it would work... but I would still need a server.
 
So re-implement DNS?
 
> Note that in either form the callback is optional:
does that mean the call becomes synchronous?
 
@BartekBanachewicz Source?
 
12:56 PM
callbacks are not what make APIs synchronous or asynchronous :) forEach takes a callback but is sync
 
Or use what we already have. What if, we had an app that started a mini server on your phone/computer, that server would register a domain, maybe a sub level domain like myblog.wordpress.com, so it would be something like username.PatentPendingApp.com - then people would find each other and comunicate through various ways.
 
i have no fucking idea what it does w/o the callback
if (callback && process.domain) callback = process.domain.bind(callback);
 
it sounds too overkill. In the end it would either be too expensive, resource hungry, slow or all of the above.
 
fuck node and its shitty libraries and their shitty documentation
I want to go home already
 
@BartekBanachewicz the general api pattern is that you execute an async function, and then the function calls your function when it is complete. so if you don't pass a callback, nothing happens
 
12:58 PM
which means you're essentially playing die with v8
 
Are you trolling or just hating on node ecosystem for the sake of hating it? :P
 
no-callback mode is probably just a way to say "I don't want to hear about when this finishes; I don't care"
 
@AwalGarg ugh, neither
I'm stating the sad fact
 
@apsillers we should all strive to be more caring individuals
 
there is no playing dice or random behavior in what you/me described till now, though. it is just following a specific paradigm. whether that paradigm is a good one or not is irrelevant.
 
1:00 PM
I'm saying that the docs suck
 
I give you that, yes.
 
Guys, I have a windows question. Is there something preventing a web application in tomcat running as a service to access files with a \\some_ip\some\path UNC path assuming that the service's user has been given the needed rights to read that directory ?
 
FFS
 
@DenysSéguret are you sure that the service was run with that particular user?
 
I just closed a "how to split a string on a character" question as dupe
Some gold badge holder re-opened it
Then answered it.
 
1:02 PM
@Cerbrus link
 
Someone with Mjolnir, please close stackoverflow.com/questions/36938694/…
 
gf a JKIL;'
 
@Neil No. My customer just says there's no way for him to configure that because a service can't access an UNC path (he doesn't know that term)
 
Sweet jesus I'm so hungover
 
1:03 PM
@DenysSéguret I think you can blacklist/whitelist folders that tomcat can access
If you don't know how it is configured, then you can't say with any certainty whether or not your client is a douche
 
Isn't there anyone with a JS gold badge around?
 
@Cerbrus in spirit I have a gold badge
D:
 
@SterlingArcher boyscout badges don't count
 
@SterlingArcher more like this: *
:D
sorry
 
@AwalGarg lmao
 
1:08 PM
Thank you, @DenysSéguret.
 
@Cerbrus the gold badgers answer is fucked up
 
I know.
 
@Cerbrus I only id it so that you can answer my question
@Abhishrek Yeah... I'm answering dumb regex questions so that I get a hammer to close the following ones :)
 
@DenysSéguret linkplz
 
8 mins ago, by Denys Séguret
Guys, I have a windows question. Is there something preventing a web application in tomcat running as a service to access files with a \\some_ip\some\path UNC path assuming that the service's user has been given the needed rights to read that directory ?
 
1:09 PM
I have no clue
 
@DenysSéguret I had a similar issue with apache on Fedora and it was SELinux.
 
My brother just texted me lol
> Dude I threw up on the puppy pad, on the wall and then when I got to the toilet I didn't open it and threw up on the closed toilet haha
Now I'm starting to understand why his fiance was pissed at me LOL
 
fuck that, she is marrying a man child or an adult?
you are not responsible for his over drinking
he is
 
I didn't even know he was stupid drunk tbh. He had 3 big beers and 2 shots
 
1:14 PM
@SterlingArcher my friend once told me about a time when he was designated driver at an event and his friend got so hammered that on the way home, he forgot the window was up and slammed his head in the window when he had to throw up
 
We drink more than that all the time
 
He got more drunk after you left
 
So he slams his head against the window and vomits all over himself
 
@SterlingArcher really sounds like she's deflecting any blame away from him and onto you unjustly.
 
1:16 PM
@littlepootis Obviously fake. Apple devices can't transfer files to other devices.
 
Glad that wasn't my car
 
@rlemon probably. I wasn't too happy when she said something like "He takes care of you" and slammed my door
 
@SterlingArcher American "big" or European "big"?
 
Iunno.. like a 32oz
 
What's that in common sense system?
 
1:18 PM
!!convert 32oz g
 
@Zirak Cannot convert <ounce> to <liter>.
 
I'm stupid
 
@SterlingArcher wtf?
 
@Zirak 907.1847 g
 
lol
@littlepootis eh?
 
1:18 PM
Close to a liter...
That's "massive" as far as drinks go.
 
Why in the world would anyone drink 3 liters of beer in one go
 
@littlepootis 2.7 ;-)
 
Yeah but tbh we've drank twice that much in the same time and people thought we were sober
 
People were being nice.
You don't drink 5 liters of beer and appear sober.
 
You haven't met my brother lol
 
1:19 PM
Even if there's no alcohol in it.
What kind of timespan are we talking here?
An evening?
 
I blacked out saturday, and when I came the next day to pickup my car my bartender said he thought I was sober
We drank for the hockey game, which went into overtime
 
so... 8-12?
 
@SterlingArcher thats it?
 
no... 11:30 ish
 
1:22 PM
The bartender thought you were sober?
Sorry, I can't believe that.
 
> You know when you're an alcoholic when the bartender knows your name... and you've never been to that bar
6
 
You'd get kicked out here.
 
I'm a very calm and collected drunk.
 
@Neil +1
 
Believe what you want, I'm not 18 I don't lie about my drinking patterns :P
 
1:23 PM
@SterlingArcher A bartender, of all people, will recognize that.
 
@SterlingArcher who has 11 childrens that he is unaware of?
 
I've been a bartender.
 
Yeah, but you haven't been me
 
Not a single bartender worth it's salt can't tell if someone's drunk.
 
Cerbrus: Thats what they all say
 
1:23 PM
No matter how sober they act.
 
@SterlingArcher I'll need to check and verify this myself then
 
@SterlingArcher me too
@SterlingArcher Lets record you super drunk in August?
 
lol I'll gopro myself in vegas idc
 
I will be in Herndon in August \o/ (also it'd be nice if you can ping me back on hangouts)
 
I've served, taken smart serve (ontario training program) and worked for D2L when they developed smartserve.org -- I'll be the judge of his drunkness when he visits
 
1:24 PM
@SterlingArcher when are you in Vegas?
 
That bartender was just humoring you.
 
@GNi33 august, early on
 
@SterlingArcher wait why Vegas?
 
:(
 
Brother's bachelor party!
 
1:25 PM
@SterlingArcher Enjoy!
 
too early!
 
@Cerbrus is it that far out to believe that I don't go buck wild when I drink?
 
"not going buck wild" != "look sober"
 
Ok, is it that hard to believe that I don't get the downs syndrome look on my face when I get drunk?
 
actually... yes :D
 
1:27 PM
Fuck you lol
That's just my resting Down's face
 
haha
 
Hi everybody
 
lol
 
@SterlingArcher You don't have to go buck wild to see you're drunk.
 
@JonathanLafleur Hi!
 
1:28 PM
@Ab
 
@SterlingArcher I still have that picture sitting on my dekstop
 
HAMMERTIME!
 
@SterlingArcher can you ping me on hangouts (:
 
@Abhishrek how are you :)
 
Vibrating, you?
 
1:28 PM
@SterlingArcher youtu.be/qMSrpZi_6WM?t=38s he's a good sport
 
I just don't believe there's nothing visibly indicating you've been drinking, after downing close to 5 liters of beer, 1 liter an hour.
 
@Abhishrek I will soon
 
@SterlingArcher thanks mate :D
 
@Abhishrek ~_~
 
Hey mates, if I have a couple of elements on a page and I want to bind them all different change action, is there a easy way to bind them all at once ? (Sorry my english is bad... I create this fiddle to maybe help you understand my question) jsfiddle.net/mqxrszo3
 
1:31 PM
@AwalGarg That is my normal state, nothing perverted about it.
 
suuuuurree
 
@AwalGarg seriously, this time when I am in Delhi meet me and you'll see
 
@Abhishrek I'm sure you've seen them, but just in case, there is these shake-reducing pens and spoons and stuff online
 
Should I use react? Is it gonna stick around longer than five minutes like most JS frameworks?
 
@rlemon I've got them, and am using swipe keyboard mostly (:
 
1:33 PM
@Abhishrek whatever happened with the medication you were taking?
 
@Abhishrek working out?
 
@AwalGarg Restricts thinking.
 
@corvid No, it was written to be discarded after five minutes
 
@rlemon yep!
 
gl mate
 
1:33 PM
\o/
 
\o/
 
user image
11
(just boasting, in case it's not clear)
 
lol
 
Nice
 
@DenysSéguret downvotes
 
I'm pretty close to 200k as well
 
!!should I start making rep?
 
@Abhishrek But of course
 
Okay.
 
@AwalGarg Yes, I needed to downvote to have it round
 
1:35 PM
@rlemon lol
 
@DenysSéguret so you downvoted some random person :O ?
 
@Abhishrek nah, he just went to the jQuery tag
 
good point or php
 
I always have a list of starred bad questions
(they always have bad answers)
 
1:37 PM
I am at 3299. Damn!
 
I am 43
(or 44)
 
!!stat DenysSéguret
 
@rlemon That dude sucks
 
welp
 
Oh that I am edging 23
 
1:37 PM
I suppose that is that
 
Can't argue that
 
!!should i spend 2 hours answering questions on stackoverflow?
 
@Abhishrek By all means
 
2 hours is a little too much for sanity, unless you're focusing on a language you don't know...
 
@DenysSéguret true
 
1:47 PM
I spent an hour last night trying to answer/comment and in the end I got 0 rep lol.
 
@Waxi You don't get rep for comments.
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@AwalGarg pretty much everyone who uses ubuntu has seen that, its preinstalled on buntu I think
 
you are your silly distros don't matter
 
1:51 PM
@AwalGarg Just tried it. It's cool!
 
yeah I installed it too. best thing ever.
also, read the man page's bugs section :D
 
looks like a feature
 
imgur.com/blsN3Bl holy mother of pizza
 

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