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12:11 PM
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12:26 PM
have a new graduate dev, his understanding of OOP is lacking somewhat, anyone know of a good resource i can point him at?
pref something like codecademy
and the MVCS deisgn pattern
 
@DrogoNevets fowler
The GoF book is a good read
Refactoring by Fowler is a good book.
 
Should probably read code complete.
 
@DrogoNevets Hmm, that's a problem. How to teach OOP while avoiding all the common pitfalls of OOP thinking
 
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12:33 PM
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Q: Bootstrap modal on click of close or outside click not stopping youTube Videos

Nathan LeeI am working on bootstrap modal pop up to play a youtube video and should stop it on click of close or close outside. Below is my code. <div class="modal fade" id="myModal2" tabindex="-1" role="dialog" aria-labelledby="myModalLabel" aria-hidden="true"> <div class="modal-dialog"> <div clas...

 
@Neil mmmm, im running through the codecademy one atm to see if its any good
 
CodeCademy is amazing for beginners, but it doesn't really step into OOP or architecture, or anything like that
 
@NathanLee Your answer is in one of the referred questions in your question
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Q: How to stop a Youtube Video Playing on Twitter Bootstrap Model Close

Dan LeeHow do stop a multiple Youtube Video's Playing on Twitter Bootstrap Model Close? This is what I have... When I have just one video it works fine... var player = document.getElementById('MjXAo2qxMlA'); //save the object or embed youtube video in a variable $('#ttvideoModalTwo').on('hide', functi...

 
12:48 PM
y['whxs89']={z:function(){console.log(y.constructor.name)}}
how to get 'whxs89' out of that inside the function ?
 
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Hey guys
 
@CSᵠ you can't
 
@JanDvorak yeah.. i wanted a fix quick :P))
or quick fix
 
12:55 PM
why do you want it?
 
The reason you can't is because you could have
y['whxs89']={z:function(){console.log(y.constructor.name)}}; y['other']=y['whxs89'];
 
Could anyone explain to me why on phone browsers one of the href's on my site is added in the url?
 
because it was clicked?
 
Though on pc's it doesn't do that
It would work as intended only on phones it does otherwise
 
do you do something on hover?
 
12:58 PM
Even just href="#" refreshes the page on phone
Nope
 
Is the url external? Did you add the protocol to it? Sometimes, even if it's www.-, it will just append it to the current url.
 
No it's internal, I added a JS to make it pop open a hidden UL on the same page hence the reason I have #idofthethingthatpopsopen in my href
 
Oh, so you're talking about on page load?
 
Mhm
 
@DrogoNevets Can you not address the particular issue this graduate has?
 
1:01 PM
Weird
 
I'll try and make a fiddle hold on
 
Or is it a more general lacking?
 
But before I do that, is there a general difference between phone browsers and on pc?
 
@dystroy i don't have that, could i somehow get the prop name?
 
Regarding usage of JS
 
1:03 PM
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In general javascript runs the same on phones and desktops. Though I guess some slight differences may occur, though they are mostly in less common cases, I am not entirely sure what you are trying to do, without any example of your code, so I can't say much more beyond this so far :P
 
@DavidH Aside from resolution, generally no
 
Googled PPK, did not find what I expected :P
 
There are some features which are not yet supported, but they are, for the most part, the newest features
Most phone browsers (save for those included in Windows 8 phones *ahem*) will work fine with html 5
 
1:10 PM
@Magikaas ... what did you expect?
 
Hmm
 
... from a description like "is probalby the foremost expert on [stuff]"
 
@RyanKinal A website/blog or something about mobile first development
 
Remember that phone users can't "hover"
 
I'm checking out @RyanKinal 's link i'm currently reading about prevent default, since it might seem like I need to use that
 
1:11 PM
@Magikaas (1) It is a website/blog (2) It's about mobile development
It just happens to be run by a guy called Peter-Paul Koch (PPK)
 
I know it is, now, but I didn't find that in the first 4/5 results in google
It showed me a gun, a russian trance artist/band, a children's psychiatrist and a website about vegan cooking
 
Remember that phone users can't "hover"
 
Hence my reaction :P
Then I noticed it was a link, I clicked it and found what I was expecting to find in google
 
;-)
 
Still a bit new to this chat, so I thought it was just yellow because it was a new post or a post by a mod or similar (your name is cursive)
 
1:14 PM
s/cursive/italic/
And it means I'm a room owner
 
@CSᵠ yes. Just iterate over the properties and take the one whose value is arguments.callee. But the fact you need this means your design is broken.
 
Aha, I see
 
Ugh I suck at making fiddles
 
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Then again I have one nested menu..
 
1:18 PM
hi
 
Piece of sh** microsoft file control
 
One thing I can say, after having practiced OOP in javascript and just generally working with and developing in javascript, javascript is great and you can do a lot with it (especially with the right libraries). You can basically make 'normal'-looking applications, like you would make for a computer as an installable application, and have them work in a browser, given the time and effort
Now I am still fairly new to this whole OOP javascript stuff, so I reckon it'll only get better :P
 
I kept trying to figure out why the little open file icon on the right side of the control was being replaced by "..." and not working.. Turns out it was because I was calling EnableBrowserButton(TRUE)
Makes perfect sense
 
@Magikaas Yep. JavaScript rocks.
 
@AbhishekHingnikar Hello :P
 
1:20 PM
Geez I just noticed that when I add prevenDefault it correctly opens the sub menu but not the menu itself
At least it doesn't do funny stuff with the URL anymore
 
@Magikaas I think it's worth the effort because nowadays, most applications written in C# or Java can actually house html within the application
So with the right libraries and a little background in C# or Java, you can write applications using Javascript
 
@Neil Even runs the javascript it gets out of the html? Cool
I have some background in C# and Java, though not too extensive, a few years in college.
 
@Magikaas Are you by any chance Dutch?
 
@Magikaas Yeah, it can emulate ajax calls to call the "back of the program"
 
@DavidH Just by chance, I do happen to be Dutch, yes :P
 
1:23 PM
No other language can claim that sort of power
 
Awesome! I assume you have an HBO diploma, if so where'd you go to school for it?
Also was it even in webdevelopment?
 
Would be nice to see some sort of library that minimizes the types of changes you'd need to make it work on the web or in an application though
 
France is really finished
America’s favorite cheeses: http://www.vox.com/2014/6/5/5780694/americas-favorite-foods-in-four-charts http://t.co/MOHbs5izcp
 
@DavidH HRO (Rotterdam University of Applied Science) and no, just general Informatics, I taught myself PHP and most of my javascript
Sorry Neil, wrong person :P
 
No problem
 
1:26 PM
Oh interesting, we'd still need the diploma of course! I'm kind of not sure yet where to go and get my HBO diploma yet, is it a good school?
I do live in Rotterdam as well by the way :P
 
@dystroy Why france? America if anything
 
I have about a year to decide but still.
 
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@dystroy indeed it is, thank you, made it so i don't need it
 
@Neil What do you mean by that? Minimize changes you'd need to make. I am trying to imagine what sort of application you could make with it, technically anything, of course, but considering you are probably going to have to make an API to talk to your application, the changes to make to a server-based application written in Java or C# would still be quite large, if you have no API on it yet, otherwise you would probably want to adapt your javascript application based on the API's data
 
1:29 PM
@Neil I thought the last positive thing for which France was still well known and appreciated was the cheese. Not even.
 
@DavidH It's pretty good, I am not really the type to go to a mentor for questions or advice, apart from getting results for reports and such, but most are very supportive of students and will help you with advice or possibly even extra lessons if you might need them, otherwise there are also student-teachers
 
@dystroy America is beyond hope for what concerns cheeses..
 
@DavidH I myself do not live in Rotterdam, if you thought that :P
 
I've come to enjoy cheeses because I've been in Italy for the past 8 years, but otherwise I'd still say cheddar were my favorite
 
A good cheddar is still pretty good... but by no means my favorite
 
1:31 PM
@Neil I enjoy most cheeses, but there is at least one I really can't handle, gorgonzola xD That stuff is too strong
But I'm not really a cheese-expert, so for all I know I've been eating the same cheese with a different name so far, hahaha
 
@Magikaas That sounds great, i'll definitely note it down. I currently attend to Grafisch Lyceum Rotterdam, not sure if you've heard of it? It's pretty good but since next year is my last year i'll not to look beyond it :P . I did actually but regardless thanks for the tips/info!
 
@Magikaas Gorgonzola is a strong cheese... if you know only the most popular cheeses
 
@Magikaas Depends on what type of gorgonzola you eat. The "blue cheese" variety that is available in America is powerful and really only good for salad
 
My name is dutch for Magicheese, random note :P
 
@Magikaas Now I notice it
 
1:32 PM
@dystroy I guess I only know popular cheeses, haha :)
@DavidH I have heard of it, yeah, I believe my neighbor has studied there, but I don't know his opinion of the school
 
I'm a big fan of brie
 
@Neil Yesss, I love brie :D
 
I could eat that cheese on its own
 
@Neil vs ?
 
Pretty sure you could eat any cheese on its own
 
1:37 PM
Pretty sure we French eat Brie most often on its own
 
I'm still not sure what exactly the difference between brie and camembert is
 
Difference (according to google) is where it originates from
 
They also have very different tastes and perfumes
 
Well one is tasty. And the other is yummy.
 
Hahahaha
 
1:39 PM
@dystroy Disagree with you on that
 
Cheese wears perfume? Nothing expensive I hope? I don't like those haughty taughty expensive perfumes
They make me sneeze
 
!!s/sneeze/cheese/
 
@Kippie They make me cheese (source)
 
@Neil And steak. And burgers.
 
@Kippie You can't. I've more experience in eating French cheese that anybody else in this room. Possibly more than your cumulated experience.
 
1:40 PM
._.
What did you do? D:
 
Being from upstate New York, however, I'm going to have to declare Vermont white cheddar as being the clear victor in any and all future cheese wars that don't include Danish Havarti with dill which is of course my cheese lord and master.
 
can I ban him ?
 
Hahahaha :P
 
My favorite cheese would still be Roquefort
gotta love me some good ol' blue mold
 
@ErikReppen Which part of upstate are you from? (I feel like I've asked this before... but maybe it was someone else).
 
1:42 PM
I feel like my cheese-knowledge is lacking significantly. I can not begin to compete with the cheesology being spewed in this chat
 
Smoked Gouda++
 
I grew up in Albany-area. Glenville (close to Schenectady) more specifically.
 
@Magikaas That's because all you dutchies know is gouda and old amsterdam
 
I've lived as many years in the midwest at this point.
 
Gotcha
I'm from the other end of the state... West of Buffalo
 
1:43 PM
'Schenectady' that sounds like you're just making up placenames
 
Though I have some good friends from the Albany area :-)
 
@Kippie To think, Dutch people call eachother 'kaaskoppen' (cheeseheads), but hearing this makes me think twice about that xD
 
@Kippie All place names are made up.
 
@Kippie zip code 12345 and voted the most boring city on the planet by some council.
 
@RyanKinal Shut up with your logic!
 
1:44 PM
BLEW YOUR MIND
...
 
hmm, I forgot the command for blowing minds
 
Friends in Albany? That's... strange. Oh no wait. I dated a girl in Albany. She was French.
 
a little help, caprica?
 
All hail paprica!
Caprica*
 
@Kippie you can use a gun for that
 
1:45 PM
I love the Adriondacks but it's hard to imagine living there again. But for FFS Illinois could seriously use some terrain variation. The flatness is making me crazy.
 
@dystroy I'd prefer the Eric Wareheim gif, though :(
 
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@dystroy If his name is any indication, he's Dutch, we're not allowed to bear arms in public (as far as I know) xD
 
WOOOSH!!!
 
Hello @rlemon
 
1:47 PM
I hate job-searching. It's like every time I do it the requirements involve shittier frameworks.
 
Ello :P
 
@ErikReppen shittier?
 
Holas
 
@Magikaas Pretty sure everyone has the right to bear arms.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yea. like my second trip to the park for the day.
 
1:48 PM
@Kippie Not if it's not hunting season :P
 
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@rlemon that's the one I was looking for.
 
Bwahahaha :P
 
@LemonFlip bro(ette) you just wondered into the wrong neighborhood
ಠ_ಠ
 
1:48 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Everybody in Chicago wants Bootstrap all of a sudden. And I'm skeptical of Angular. I don't care about "after the learning curve." Why is there even a learning curve if it serves such a basic purpose?
 
I wonder...
 
There's a learning curve with angular?
 
Somewhat. I find it overwrought. And that's what everybody says. Learning curve. Mostly it bores me to tears reading about it.
 
Still seems easier to step into than knockout
 
Anyone here hates the angular template syntax? Those blobs of directives in html dont look very fascinating to me, but most people seem to be huge fans of it
 
1:51 PM
But Bootstrap is the pisser. How the !@#$ did the Twitter devs become universally acclaimed as the guys with UI and layout chops? It's not like Twitter is this crazy UI circus or something.
 
I hear more and more about Angular, have not tried it yet or read much about it. Don't really know what it could be used for
 
@ErikReppen it's a framework. Doesn't really have all that much to do with twitter's own UI
 
I don't use css frameworks, least of all bootstrap -.-
 
T'was a good idea it seems not to use SSL for miaou websockets : isc.sans.edu
 
@Magikaas Single page applications or you might say, rich js apps
 
1:52 PM
Oh nice
I might have to switch to Angular for what I'm doing right now as a hobby project :P
 
I hate how people keep saying "spa" as the first thing to use angular for
 
Though, Angular might be too big for what I'm doing, depends on how hard it is to get into
 
@Kippie It's a lousy framework. And you wouldn't learn much about writing a good one from supporting Twitter, IMO.
 
it's a data-binding framework with which you can make SPAs (quite easily), but it's not the only thing it's capable of, nor what it was made for
 
@Magikaas I suggest trying Backbone first. Much more configurable.
 
1:53 PM
Bootstrap. I'm undecided on Angular due to sheer popularity but I find it annoying so far.
 
Right now all I'm using for my hobby project is self-written code :)
I'll have to read up on those two
 
@Magikaas Your code is bad and you should feel bad.
 
@Kippie T__T Y u gotta be so mean?!
 
Backbone seems reasonable. I didn't like that Knockout seemed to want to reinvent inline event handlers.
 
So, using a lib suddenly ups your code qualtiy?
 
user1596138
1:54 PM
@bendtherules NO
 
@Kippie why ? Just because it doesn't use any preexisting software like an OS, a text editor or a javascript engine ?
 
I never said that :P Nor did I personally say my code is bad, though it most likely is
 
@Magikaas Haha
 
Angular just feels like this big huge honking layer that wants to sit on top of everything and after years of thin-client shenanigans that bugs the hell out of me by default.
 
I'm already having to come up with creative solutions for bad design decisions, and I'm not even halfway into the project >_>
 
1:56 PM
Anyone likes the approach of reactjs?
 
user1596138
@bendtherules you're a man, or a woman?
 
@Jhawins why is that?
 
@dystroy Lighten up. 't was only a joke
 
Gender decides the framework for you :P
 
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@bendtherules Pythonista implies woman. You wanted Pythoneer on your about.me page. Hahahaha
 
1:57 PM
@Jhawins Maybe he's a... gender bender
 
@Jhawins Lol, didnt know that
I never heard of a pythoneer though
 
user1596138
In english usually appending "ista" is for women lol
 
@ErikReppen because it requires understanding some fundamental aspects of UI a lot of other framework's don't
 
You've heard about pythonista, then?
 
Also, learning it is easy
Also, Angular is very mediocre, it's not awesome as people make it to be
 
user1596138
1:58 PM
Pythonist I guess
 
It has a good use case which it solves well, but it's not the best thing since sliced bread
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum but Google! GOOGLE! you lie. it is totally awesome
Disclaimer: never used it.
 
I'd want someone with more experience to look at my code, but I don't want to use up other people's time, seems selfish. Yet I don't know if I'm doing it right or wrong if I have no input or comment on anything I write xD
 
@Kippie yup
 
1:59 PM
I was about to ask if anyone knew something like that
But you beat me to it, hahaha
 
;)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum That's not my impression of Angular at all but I haven't built anything with it yet.
 
@rlemon o/
 

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