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2:00 PM
@ErikReppen I recommend building with it anyway, it's worth learning, there are a lot of cool things about it and a lot of less than cool things about it.
Bootstrap is teh silly
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum If you want to learn cool things, dont use it. If you want to get cool things for free, go ahead.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum - Bootstrap is silly, but at the same time it's great when you need to throw something together fast without doing UX stuff
...like a website in ten minutes, wordpress plugins etc.
 
how do you tell jshint to allow me to use non curly braced if statements?
I don't like: Expected '{' and instead saw ....
 
Every time I've tried to leverage Bootstrap to do anything I've had to go back and redo from scratch. It's way too limited or just does overly yucky things. Setting everything with * to box-sizing:border-box is particularly obnoxious.
 
@FutuToad Is that actually valid code?
 
2:03 PM
this is sad (I'll star node, just because)
 
@bendtherules I try this:
 if(Obj.softSearch)
       Obj.softSearch.enable();
 
@FutuToad Are you from Python? Just saying
 
And don't get me wrong, I love box-sizing. It's huge. It's just !@#$-tarded from a CSS perspective to redefine the default box model for every single element like that.
 
nah c#
 
@FutuToad Thats actually very bad practise. I am not sure if you can configure jshint.
Although jslint, from what I have heard is configurable
 
2:05 PM
@bendtherules bootstrap always wastes time.
 
@RyanKinal ahoy!
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum why ??
 
I guess I just know CSS
I don't gain anything from it really
Coding is the really fast part, the slow part is figuring out what to do
Bootstrap doesn't help me with that.
 
Yes, it just puts the commonly used stuufs in one place
 
That's not necessarily a bad thing, though, is it?
 
2:07 PM
@FutuToad jslint is bad but your code is very very dangerous. Don't do that
 
Morning y'all
 
function getObject() {
  return
  {
    foo : 1
  };
}
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Learning part, you mean. Thats true for any lib
 
Morning :)
 
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2:07 PM
@FutuToad what do you think the code I just posted does ?
 
@bendtherules no no no, I mean, it doesn't help me at all
 
returns an object
 
@FutuToad it returns undefined
because of automatic semicolon insertion
 
True dat.
 
yikes
 
2:09 PM
Please follow the standard formatting rules in JavaScript until you're a master
 
Like, jQuery does
Underscore also doesn't
 
Most of the latest popular CSS crap wastes time if you already knew CSS well, IMO. But that's the problem. Too many client-side devs can't be bothered.
 
@RyanKinal What kind of monster are you? Steak!?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum I like _.
 
!!s/automatic semicolon insertion/Twitter Devs Magic Mechanism/
 
2:09 PM
@rlemon because of Twitter Devs Magic Mechanism (source)
 
@ErikReppen I completely agree.
 
@ErikReppen what do you mean ? Do you include in that statement things like the flex-box model ?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Because that functional thing is not very hard to write yourself, but quite handy
 
I can be bothered to learn CSS, I can't be bothered to force myself to be a good designer.
 
No, not new CSS. New CSS helpers brought to us from Needless Dependency and Friends.
 
2:11 PM
@ErikReppen oh ok
 
If you come to italy and ask for what they call a "fiorentino", they'll give you about a half a kilo of thick-cut steak, and to say it is "cooked" is a stretch.. more like seared.
 
@bendtherules everything it does is native for a long time, seriously, _.map is Array#map, _.reduce is Array#reduce etc.
 
Actually, I prefer raw js to every other lib,
 
If you dare ask for catsup for fiorentino, they will shoot you.
 
@rlemon BTW, you know there are opportunities in Miaou for a designer like you to be unpaid doing marvelous things (like the mobile version of the intro page)
 
2:12 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum If you have good browser support, that is :D
 
@dystroy honestly canvas for that in the HTML room
i'm sure some of those guys will gladly contribute
and I generally go there for 'design' tips
 
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@Neil well... seems fair
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Have you tried lo-dash? Its great, I have to admit. Just like _, but lazy evaluates everything.
 
@dystroy I can see how that would be fair, yes
 
2:14 PM
in HTML / CSS / WebDesign, 34 secs ago, by rlemon
do you guys know about Miaou yet? It was made by a regular in the JS room (dystroy) - it is open source and FULL of features (way more than the SO chat). Check it out and maybe contribute a bit?
cc @dystroy FYI
 
Btw, anyone knows how to write functions that lazy evalute?
 
@rlemon I couldn't pick a non-horrendous color scheme (somehow I always end up trying salmon - I have no idea how) or design a decent logo to save my life.
 
However, the same thing in America is not only accepted, people will actually think you're uptight and prissy if you don't use catsup
 
@ErikReppen yea I just look at what other people are doing and try to emulate that
I'm not above using a css framework (not bootstrap, don't worry)
and i'm not above buying a design and altering it to my needs
 
What a difficult world we live in.
 
2:15 PM
@Neil what? I never put it on anything
Especially not steak
 
@Neil Oh hell yes. Steak and blue cheese is friggin' amazing
 
But the CSS for custom UI work is huge.
 
@KendallFrey You don't accompany steak with anything?
 
With some mushrooms?
 
@ErikReppen Or beteer call them designers.
 
2:15 PM
DAMN
 
@RyanKinal Mushrooms, ok.. blue cheese?
 
@Neil Maybe a baked potato.
 
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Why would I add something to a steak?
 
@KendallFrey You're a better man than I then.
 
2:16 PM
addSteak() :D
 
@Neil It's brilliant. Trust me.
 
Steak sauce is gross. I want to taste the flesh, not smother it in sugary shit.
 
Just the idea of putting ketchup on a steak makes me laugh
 
Are we programming food in javascript now...? sounds.... tasty?
 
I don't mind steak sauce, but it can't be the run-of-the-mill stuff
 
2:17 PM
Ew. I do like bleu cheese with steak, though. That's pretty good
 
@NinjaKC Never heard of steak API?
 
@Neil sorry just seen this, just basic OOP concepts would be good, he did a web dev course at uni and theyve seemingly not covered MVC or the concept of what a model, etc is
@Jhawins dude! got my baby back today
 
@DrogoNevets universities nowadays.. pff
 
I haven't had steak in forever...
 
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@DrogoNevets Nice!! Ride her over here. lol. You'll need a sand paddle and a planer, and you can't stop at all.
 
2:19 PM
Google returns no steak api... it saddens me...
 
I guess that is something you'd have to address
 
@Neil i dont know if its unis these days or lithuanian unis, but either way
@Neil indeed, and we are trying, hopefully he'll pick it up
 
Beginning to get hungry
 
My wife and I are actually mere alter egos. Our real identities are Condimentia and Meat & Potatoes Man.
 
@Neil shut up, me too!
 
2:19 PM
I didn;t understand what a Model was good for while I was using a flat-file system. It wasn;t until I switched to use a DB that models made every sense in the world.
 
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I decided to go for one of the BMWs or a Triumph Tiger. Need ~200 miles on one tank and the aprilias did <130 each
 
@DrogoNevets If he's bright, he'll pick it up. I think that's ultimately what counts
 
I'm just hungry for bacon
 
@bendtherules I do
Why?
 
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Thinking the fs800 adventure fits me best. Now it's just going to be down to test rides.
 
2:20 PM
Even the best steak can't beat some good pork.
 
@Jhawins the GSA can do 300+
 
She'd put steak sauce on a mint.
 
I think I rote one in the chat some half a year ago for kicks, it's really not too hard, you just queue operations
With ES6 generators it's trivial.
 
@Neil thats what we counting on
 
Charcoal grilled chicken > Steak > Porkchops
 
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2:21 PM
@DrogoNevets Eh, I'm trying to save some weight. The fs800 is plenty of power for me and I've no experience on heavy bikes.
 
anything > prepared by Norwegians
 
I clearly remember one of the first lessons I took at my university for computer science where we were talking about c++ pointers. What he said was this, "Pointers.. you love'em or you hate'em, but sooner or later you will understand pointers or you will change majors" XD
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Can you point me to some article/book/anything on how to do it?
 
I'm about half Norwegian :p
 
@Jhawins f800gs is a beutiful bike! played on one in portugal and boy they are fickable as sin! and perfectly capable off road too
 
2:21 PM
I love my parents but holy crap did I not eat well growiing up.
 
The other half is mostly Irish
 
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On my bike I can literally throw it into turns and whoops. I want to make sure I can at least toss what I get
 
if weight is an issue try the f700 too
 
@bendtherules the concept is really not that hard
 
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@DrogoNevets Oh man is that good to hear!!
 
2:22 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yes, but how do you implement them?
 
@bendtherules I invited you to a room
Join it
 
Food, vehicles, and javascript.
 
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Nah the 800 comes in at just about right on everything I want. And these BMWs are the only bikes that still look damn sexy with full hard panniers and luggage.
 
I think Norwegians design the main course to kill your appetite so you don't overeat the yummy desert.
 
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I want to take a coast-to-coast on what I buy with my brother who's done it before ;)
 
2:23 PM
@Jhawins stevecolemanwilliams.com/my-self/gallery.php check out the portugese paradis album (2nd from last)
 
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@DrogoNevets Looks like a lot of fun. How does one go about riding in your area as a foreigner? Or in EU at all? Can I just show up and rent a bike? Renting a decent adventure bike within a thousand miles of here is not going to happen unless you go to the only place that does and you're 30
 
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Reason being I have some serious vacation time coming up. All I know for sure is I'm getting a bike and have money left for my first overseas trip. Haven't decided if I'll even take one soon though
 
@Jhawins not sure tbh, assuming your licence is valid over here then yea, most dealers will allow you to rent a bike off them
 
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@DrogoNevets What?! You just ask a dealer?
 
@NickDugger agreed, but bacon > ribs > ham > chicken
 
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2:27 PM
Do they have "renting bikes" and "sale bikes"?
 
@Jhawins most of the time, their rates are quite high, and there are companies that rent only, but dealers will do it too
 
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Interesting. I wonder what 4 days or so costs.
 
Here they have a bike rental program where you get a card and where ever there is a bike station, you can get one bike and ride it to antoher station throughout the city
 
rentals will bve the demo bikes, as i say the rates are quite high, but there are palces that will rent, or if in UK you could always as your friend Drogo to borrow one of his (with a few conditions re deposit and excess, etc)
 
It costs 25 euros per year
 
2:28 PM
@Neil Borris bikes! but they dont have engines in them
 
Bacon is alright, but It's so bad for you, I don;t get it often. I'm fat enough already.
 
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Says you gotta be 25 minimum, like everywhere. You guys have silly engine displacement specific rules by age don't you?
 
@DrogoNevets No, they're bicycles :P
 
@Jhawins depends on the make/model of bike, 72hrs in italy on a bmw r1200rt will set you back just over a grand (we did in nov)
 
oh, thats what you meant by bikes
 
2:29 PM
(GBP)
 
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@DrogoNevets Will keep that in mind. ;)
 
@Mosho are you here?
 
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Yeah looks like about a grand USD from superbikerental.co.uk
 
Cripes. !@#$ my job search. I need to write a UI framework that doesn't suck complete ass so I can point and tell people they're !@#$ing idiots when they ask me if I'm an expert at Bootstrap.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yeah
 
2:30 PM
oh man, I've read this entire conversation without once realizing it was about motorcycles rather than bicycles...
 
Off-roading was the tip off for me.
 
@Mosho I gave guys here a few months back mock interviews, did I give you one?
 
nope
 
ok cool
Gilad is going to ask something completely different, wanted to make sure I'm not throwing you off :D
 
what is he going to ask? :>
 
2:32 PM
(Also localstorage)
 
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@DrogoNevets how much are bikes over there?? I could go to the UK and buy my bike, take a few week vacation for touring and bring her home. Sounds like a mess tho
 
@Jhawins again make/model
 
user1596138
Oh cool, the fs800 is rentable at 21 instead of age 25.
 
could always buy one, and then sell it to someone (dealer) or get someone to sell it for you
?
 
Crotch rockets make me want to kill myself.
 
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2:33 PM
@DrogoNevets Sounds messy...
 
ive done it a couple of times
 
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Domestically, I'd wheel and deal all day. But overseas? Sounds awful
 
you'll lose money, but not much if you are sensible
then get someone you know to do it for you
 
user1596138
;)
 
user1596138
Thumpertalk ftw
 
2:34 PM
its dirt easy to sell a vehicle over here!
 
@Mosho questions about love
 
user1596138
Or you. Are you on TT?
 
@NickDugger I never quite understood the crotch-rocket hate.
 
@RyanKinal ime not a big fan either
 
It's not about hating the vehicles, it's about hating the d-bags that ride them. Most of them are the biggest, stupidest tools ever.
 
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2:35 PM
Also, over here a motorcycle over 50cc is a motorcycle. Over there there's a bunch of classes it seems.
 
o/ all
 
Ah, understood
It's like not hating [online pvp game] as a game, but hating the d-bags that play it.
 
I dunno, I never played it
 
@NickDugger +1
 
@Martin Hello
 
2:36 PM
@Jhawins kind of....but not really
 
@Mosho it's going to be a programming task, a pretty simple one and then you'll discuss why you did what. You're expected to complete it in a reasonable amount of time, I don't think it should take you too long
 
user1596138
Ooh I can ride a 125 baby bike in Europe now legally because of age. But I have my baby 350 already haha
 
@Jhawins how old?
 
user1596138
@DrogoNevets 19
 
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2:38 PM
ah you're a baby! how sweet, youre about a year late, april last year they changed the laws, before then you coulda jumped on any bike you like as long as you have a full licence for 2 years
 
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Well I'll be 20 by the time I make it
 
user1596138
What about my USA Motorcycle endorsement? Not a free pass? :P
 
@Jhawins i dont know, it may be, but genuinely im not sure, contact the locla british embassy or the FCO in london
 
Thank you @CapricaSix! No questions actually, I was just curious about this chat stuff :D
 
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> You can drive any small vehicle (eg car or motorcycle) listed on your full and valid licence for 12 months from when you last entered Great Britain (GB)
 
2:40 PM
Chat: Where the cool kids hang out
 
user1596138
Says gov.uk :P
 
so thats a free pass to me
 
@link sarcasm? :D
 
user1596138
Yup looks like it!
 
@bendtherules Actual reply to the bot, looks like.
 
2:42 PM
@Jhawins bonza!
 
So he didnt get that its a bot?
 
@bendtherules quite :D
 
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@DrogoNevets Ha, I think Grooveshark and the other potential employers woulda been surprised to figure this out too ;P
 
Well played
 
@link it happens a couple of times a day
 
2:42 PM
@link :D
 
Come on guys, the bot is a blonde
I couldn't ignore it
 
!!Are you a natural blonde?
 
@NickDugger But of course
 
her* :'D
 
@link pickup line for the bot? :)
 
2:43 PM
@Jhawins huh?
 
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@DrogoNevets The age thing. I hadn't seen it lol.
 
@link lol
 
lol
 
user1596138
Anyway, that's definitely exciting. I thought I was going to be screwed by weird laws when I can already ride anything I want here. I rode a vtx1800 before I was 18 :)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum sounds fun
 
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2:45 PM
800lbs lol.
 
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Anyway, I need to hammer some stuff out at work
 
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@CapricaSix So, you sit around all day welcoming people? Tough job :)
 
@Mosho it is, like, 10 people in this room volunteered to do the last one
 
@CapricaSix Thanks for welcoming me, but I'm just looking around :)
 
2:49 PM
@Mosho also, we're not shitty so you get to use whatever you want for it, whatever framework/library/whatever as long as you can justify it.
 
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@léolam don't talk to her like that!
 
!!Caprica are you a bot?
 
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@NickDugger I expect so
 
@bendtherules She also bends to our every whim
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum cool, what was the context?
 
2:50 PM
Hmm, indeed.
 
I mean... does us favors?
I mean... takes commands?
...
 
@CapricaSix So, you are expecting? Good to know :D
 
@Mosho I was testing a bunch of questions
Make sure you know your APIs and have a basic knowledge in CSS/HTML too
 
Man, I thought I had my caching issues resolved... but no. My Angular templates are still very aggressively cached.
 
@RyanKinal Agressive Angular .. Makes for a good headline
 
2:54 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum roger. will I do it on my own or while screen sharing?
 
Indeed
 
@Mosho not sure
We like looking over peoples' shoulders very much, but then again - you're at the other side of the planet
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum what kind of questions? interested!!
 
I'll do a round here some time, kind of busy now :D
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum do you hire people over remote work now?
 
3:05 PM
@FlorianMargaine not programmers, no.
Some people work remote some times, that's not a problem, but everyone checks in at least once a week.
 
I don't like working remotely. I get more done in the office
 
!!s/don't//
 
@KendallFrey I like working remotely. I get more done in the office (source)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum k
you're going to relocate mosho for his internship?
 
@FlorianMargaine he's from Israel, you know
 
3:07 PM
oh
 
He's just studying in Canada
And did an intership there
 
Lot of Israelites here
 
lies. I've seen him. He is actually a Polar Bear.
 
!!s/bear/doge/
 
3:09 PM
@RUJordan @Magikaas Pretty sure everyone has the right to doge arms. (source)
 
lol
still made me lul
 
!!s/doge/noodle/
 
@NickDugger @RUJordan @Magikaas Pretty sure everyone has the right to noodle arms. (source) (source)
 
Who what where? O_O
 
mis-ping, sorry lol
 
3:10 PM
Hehe ^_^'
 
my regex didn't target the capital B
 
@RUJordan *Israelis
 
I know what I said :3
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum are you not a "Child[ren] of Israel"?
 
@Mosho hey theres a framework with your name github.com/pdehn/mosho
 
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3:17 PM
 
@Jhawins LOL
 
hrm, I suppose it only applies to Jewish people. Wiki pedia article isn't the clearest :/
 
Not really
 
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@BenjaminGruenbaum lol I know I know. But still funny :P
 
user1596138
At least I refrained from this one
 
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3:19 PM
Hahahahahaha
 
> In modern Hebrew, B'nei Yisrael ("Children of Israel") can denote the Jewish people at any time in history; it is typically used to emphasize Jewish religious identity. From the period of the Mishna (but probably used before that period) the term Yisrael ("an Israel") acquired an additional narrower meaning of Jews of legitimate birth other than Levites and Aaronite priests (kohanim).
> In modern Hebrew this contrasts with the term Yisraeli (English "Israeli"), a citizen of the modern State of Israel, regardless of religion or ethnicity.
 
!!afk work
 
it says "In modern Hebrew" twice and says different things doesn't it?
ohh well. you live there, I'll take your word
 
 
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@Neil OMG it's real hahaha
 
3:28 PM
Proof that Google has a sense of humor
 
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the only pc I have on hand with a native serial port on it is a decade+ old laptop
this sucks.
a "Dell Latitude CPi"
go look at the specs on that hog
 
Also, found this interesting: i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/5591221760/hDB56ECD4.jpg
Would buy.
 
@Neil That's kind of brilliant
 
3:42 PM
they sell those in the hardware store by my house
 
@rlemon just get a PCI card
 
I'd probably cut myself getting the middle knife out, but it'd totally be worth it *imagines self with thumbs up in hospital gown blood drip and cuts all over hands and face*
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum probably will
 
@Neil kinda reminds me of this one: s3.thcdn.com/productimg/0/600/600/53/…
 
@mikedidthis Hah, that's clever
 
3:47 PM
awww, hello all
 
@mikedidthis "...what do you mean you want to cook with me?"
 
i got a question, how to make any-type values to be quoted while JSON.stringify ?
 
@Abyss Convert to string first :)
 
@Abyss Not sure what you mean by that, but check out the 2nd parameter to the mentioned function
!!tell Abyss mdn JSON.stringify
 
yay, ill try, anyway thanks
 
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!!s/google/google google/g
 
@Shmiddty Difference (according to google google) is where it originates from (source)
 
3:51 PM
!!s/google/google google/g
 
@Shmiddty @Shmiddty Difference (according to google google google google) is where it originates from (source) (source)
 
It places the cursor after the replacement
 
I noticed
!!s/google/google google/g
 
@Shmiddty @Shmiddty @Shmiddty Difference (according to google google google google google google google google) is where it originates from (source) (source) (source)
 
!!s/google/google google/g
 
3:53 PM
@Neil @Shmiddty @Shmiddty @Shmiddty Difference (according to google google google google google google google google google google google google google google google google) is where it originates from (source) (source) (source) (source)
 
Soon the universe will divide by zero and we'll start over again
 
When using dependency injection, to make unit testing more sane, how do you deal with the not being able to inject anything into the highest level?
 
@twiz go higher
 
The only thing I can think of is to wrap that in another module
 
'course you can
 
3:54 PM
Yea, that haha
 
What do you want to mock?
 
moduleception
 
we have to go higher
 
I'm just talking in general.
 
Give me an example where you think DI will be problematic.
 
3:54 PM
It seems eventually you will end up with a module that can't be unit tested.
 
document?
It fell out of fashion (thankfully), but you've probably seen the old (function (window, document, undefined) { ... })(window, document)
 
Lets say you're creating a node library.
And you don't want your unit tests making cURL requests, or something like that
 
@Zirak - old? I still use IIFE's like that all the time?
 
@adeneo ...why?
 
For minification and to make sure the arguments stay constant ?
 
3:57 PM
I did post this question on SO, but haven't gotten much... stackoverflow.com/questions/24042035/…
 
That undefined thing haunted me
For minification...meh. If you're doing that, you'll have other minification variables, you can place these alongside those.
 
Coding without browserify kind of hurts my brain at this point...
 
@Zirak What was the point of undefined?
 
@Neil To make sure the ghosts of undefined = 4 won't touch you
 
oh dear.. I didn't even think that was possible
 
3:59 PM
Yes, the "undefined" argument is truly undefined, as nothing is passed in
 
Yeah, undefined is a global variable whose value is undefined
Now, when has that ever happened? It hasn't.
 
The global can not be changed in ECMA 5
 

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