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9:01 AM
> Harrison Ford is irradiating our testicles with microwave satellite transmissions!
 
dd5
hope im not a wampire, but if anyone has a few minutes to spare and take a look ot this question: stackoverflow.com/questions/15943205/…, i'll appriciate it. Thanks :)
 
user2157210
cant install on
 
user2157210
bluestacks
 
user2157210
it says older sdk
 
Oh the joys of Android development, I so don't miss them.
 
9:03 AM
@OctavianDamiean i know that but still
having an emulator is just stupid
 
user2157210
i have 4 android tablets arround me
 
user2157210
wait 5
 
@Darkyen No, it makes sense but having a painfully slow emulator is stupid.
 
user2157210
but i cant dev private projects on work tablets
 
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and now asshole boss stole the galaxy tab i wanted to use ..
 
9:12 AM
Ruby is for smelly hipsters
 
ruby is the language that powers golfscript
 
Anybody know anything about the new experimental transfer protocol which sends algorithms rather than data?
 
how does it send algorithms? through data?
 
The idea being that you can dramatically reduce amount of data to send if you can create algorithms which when run will produce the same data
 
that's moving the business logic to the client
 
9:17 AM
hello
 
Well it's all 1s and 0s in the end, but the idea is that you send code to launch
 
oh, no, I get it
but
 
@Neil I've read about that before, but I can't remember what it was
 
which i think is different from compression
 
it's like gzip through algorithms, right?
 
9:17 AM
can anyone tell which will be the good plugin to use to detect swipe in html+webview?
 
I think it was a study done by MIT or something, trying to improve speeds
 
Maybe there are new compression algorithms which do this, I'm not sure
 
@Neil You know, it's already done in plenty of places... you pass functions lots of times
 
But about a year ago, it was something MIT was working on
Just wondering if it ever took off
 
dd5
Hi Florian
 
@Neil the most obvious example being SQL, you send an algorithm
In mongo you send a JS function
 
@AmaanCheval Yes, that's what I read!
 
dd5
thx for the answer. How can i strip all that code, which is needed for those validations to work?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Well in that case, I can hardly imagine sending anything else
How can you make a request for data without sending an "algorithm" of sorts?
This is a case in which data should be sent, but an algorithm which produces that data is sent instead
 
@Neil Which is why I don't get the breakthrough...
@Neil Sending an algorithm is meaningless, you can send code
 
9:19 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum Because you can't send SQL instead of web pages
SQL is a highly specialized instance which doesn't compress data, just sends a request
 
@Neil Right, but you can send JavaScript instead :P
 
hi to all
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum but that Javascript needs data
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Well the algorithm would have to be written in some language
 
@JanDvorak Not entirely, the data can be embedded in the JavaScript
 
9:20 AM
You can't really send an algorithm so much as sending code which implements an algorithm
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum the breaktrough is how to make the code not need the embedded data
 
@JanDvorak It'd have to be embedded in one way or another, even if that way is the structure of the algorithm itself
 
Isn't the breakthrough that instead of sending the physical packets and doing error correction, you send an algebraic description of the data, do error correction on that, and then get the data?
 
I assume they're talking about how cellular automaton can create very large non-repeating patterns and it can work with very simple rules
 
@phenomnomnominal You'd need error correction on the algebraic description too
 
9:22 AM
@BenjaminGruenbaum programatically generating code structure is hard
 
We need to replace BGP first, that's the first problem
 
Yes, but less than for all the data?
 
Apply that concept to data sent over an http protocol and you have something which, when given simple rules, produces the data you were hoping to get
 
@JanDvorak Not always, that depends on the data, it can be impossible and not just hard in cases
 
I assume it's only cool because the description is smaller than all the data?
 
9:22 AM
Though I haven't the foggiest how you'd deduce an algorithm from the data itself
 
Again, the problem is with BGP, not with TCP or HTTP
Replace that
 
polynomial extrapolation and pray it comes up smaller
 
That's probably a field of study very much in its infancy, or at least I know nothing on that topic
 
I don't think that should be done on the protocol level (algorithm generation)
I'm all for passing code, or generating it, but it shouldn't be done on the protocol level
 
It probably isn't?
 
9:24 AM
That makes 0 sense
 
No, it wouldn't be done on the protocol level.. it's one level higher than HTTP
 
There used to be an attempt before the internet, forgot its name
Where you'd be passing code to run on distant machines
 
humans are not very fast when it comes to compression
 
And it'd run, do whatever you need, and come back with results
You'd be sending and getting agents
 
@JanDvorak Nowadays, the latency is mostly network rather than cpu
 
9:27 AM
I'm | | this close to install Arch on my office computer.
 
If you save 100 milliseconds in transfer, your cpu has 100 milliseconds to unpack it, which is a hellava lot of time
 
@OctavianDamiean Like it that much, huh?
 
Exactly, so by describing the packets algebraically, you can move the load from network to cpu
 
Apparently a memory module was faulty but not only that, the fucking nouveau diver doesn't play nice on Ubuntu apparently.
 
Also something about PostScript
 
9:28 AM
@phenomnomnominal I wonder if they took that into consideration when they were measuring increase in performance in that article
 
@Neil that doesn't change the fact that if a person spends 10 minutes compressing a file to an algorithm to save 100 miliseconds off the transfer time, it doesn't really pay off
 
The way we talk to printers is sending them algorithms instead of data
*iirc
 
@JanDvorak That's true.. though 10 minutes is probably an exaggeration
 
gzip is an algorithm as well
 
@JanDvorak, that wouldn't be very newsworthy would it
 
9:29 AM
I should probably try 13.04 before I go for Arch.
 
@OctavianDamiean Try both :)
 
Oh no I mean on this computer.
 
@phenomnomnominal what's why the algorithm needs to be generated programatically and still save bandwidth
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yeah thankfully, otherwise we'd be sending whether each pixel should be printed or not
 
Yeah exactly, they said there aren't gains when there isn't much packet loss.
 
9:30 AM
@Neil Not really an issue today, notice how many problems we have with printers and delays
@Neil If all we'd do is send them the pixels, well passing 50 mb over USB3 isn't a big deal, it was a good solution at the time but now it's just stupid
 
@phenomnomnominal then it seems like a novel error-recovery protocol, not a novel compression scheme
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum You think it's due to that? I think it's because printer manufacturers were too lazy to come to some sort of a consensus how to interpret print commands
 
@Neil It was a standards war, but it was a solution to some stuff, passing code instead of data makes sense when bandwidth is really limited
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Once upon a time, 50 mb made up most of your hard disk and memory could not hold all of it
 
I thought we already had pretty good ECCs. RapTor etc.
 
9:32 AM
Exactly, that's how they describe it. If a packet is missing, you look at the equation instead of requesting the package again.
 
@Neil Exactly, that's why it was a good solution back then :)
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Like everything else, we build on top of it rather than try to start from scratch, even when the foundation is sitting in a marsh
 
@phenomnomnominal perhaps they are describing raptor?
 
That's probably part of the reason why printers still suck :)
 
What's raptor?
 
9:33 AM
3d printers rock!
 
In computer science, raptor codes (rapid tornado; see Tornado codes) are the first known class of fountain codes with linear time encoding and decoding. They were invented by Amin Shokrollahi in 2000/2001 and were first published in 2004 as an extended abstract. Raptor codes are a significant theoretical and practical improvement over LT codes, which were the first practical class of fountain codes. Raptor codes, as with fountain codes in general, encode a given message consisting of a number of symbols, k, into a potentially limitless sequence of encoding symbols such that knowledge of a...
 
I wonder if anyone has tried to make a vector graphics printer..
 
sigh backing up an IDE hard disk is such a pain ... 27.4MB/s read ...
 
Which is to say, it draws a line when you tell it to draw a line, rather than fill in pixels where the line should be
 
it basically is a code with which, given any N packets, you can recover all N packets of data with very high probability, and you can do it fast
@neil
The plotter is a computer printer for printing vector graphics. In the past, plotters were used in applications such as computer-aided design, though they have generally been replaced with wide-format conventional printers. Overview Pen plotters print by moving a pen or other instrument across the surface of a piece of paper. This means that plotters are restricted to line art, rather than raster graphics as with other printers. Pen plotters can draw complex line art, including text, but do so slowly because of the mechanical movement of the pens. They are often incapable of efficientl...
 
9:37 AM
looks like LOGO
 
I had one at home, driven by an ATARI computer (IIRC)
 
@JanDvorak Would be fun to have one
 
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Q: jQuery - Drop Down QA

Luke AshfordHere's a fiddle: http://jsfiddle.net/YF8cg/ Focussing entirely on the javascript and on the structure of the HTML (.qapair .question and .answer), how could I improve this system? JS: $(document).ready(function() { $('.question').click(function() { $(this).siblings('.answer').slide...

 
Just have to make some sort of driver to convert svg files to executable plotter instruction :P
 
@Neil you'll need to give up fills
or plot them raster-style
(which is what printers do, except faster)
You also need the plotter, which might be difficult to obtain
1) make a sketchup model
2) unfold
3) convert to SVG
4) plot
5) fold
G2G, sry
 
9:47 AM
@JanDvorak I don't understand the first 2 steps
When you have time, maybe you could explain them to me
 
omg I think I just fixed my problem!
 
user2157210
@OctavianDamiean you rebooted?
 
I reinstalled the kernel headers and then the proprietary driver because I remembered running into a similar problem ages ago.
 
user2157210
ubuntu only problems eh
 
9:53 AM
There was a very peculiar bug with the nvidia kernel modules.
 
user2157210
which was caused by ubuntu
 
user2157210
go on
 
Dude ... shaddap
 
user2157210
i just hear you saying there was a bug in ubuntu and ubuntu bug error
 
Rigfhty, time to run.
 
9:55 AM
you know... ubuntu has nothing to do with the kernel and the drivers
just sayin'
 
user2157210
so?
 
user2157210
this conversation is just about how can we get octavian to rage
 
user2157210
which is kinda easy by telling him his ubuntu is the root of all problems
 
Which just makes you look stupid
 
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Q: Showing properties of objects in Chrome console

uzay95Video playing behind and clicking with arrow of objects is showing details. But in my console of chrome, I can't click on objects arrow to show the props. Picture is below:

 
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9:57 AM
I am stupid by all means
 
What's worse than biting on an apple and finding a worm? The holocaust
 
People are so strange
> all abt me...i am a network engineer....although u dont know me..but u can trust me.....tc...have a happy time playing
 
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lul
 
@AmaanCheval "tc"?
 
hi to all
 
10:07 AM
Take care
 
@AmaanCheval Hi
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Hi
 
@AmaanCheval @AmaanCheval @AmaanCheval Hi there
 
10:09 AM
Hahaha
 
I needs to code
However, I have to do a boring part
 
First world problems :) Be back in a bit
 
user2157210
so one user reports app works fine
 
user2157210
10:12 AM
second user same device reports does not work
 
user2157210
is he just toooo stupid?
 
Different OS version, maybe?
Wait, I just assumed you were talking about the Java thing you were working on
Are you talking about that or a web app?
 
user2157210
yeah
 
user2157210
about the java thing
 
user2157210
i deployed to two users for testing purposes
 
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10:14 AM
how do i error check?
 
Debugging when you can't reproduce bugs yourself is the worst
 
user2157210
it works fine for me in 4.2.2
 
user2157210
but in his 4.2.2 it doesnt it seems
 
Octavian would know more. I don't know much about Java, much less Android
 
user2157210
i just tell them to buy other device
 
user2157210
10:15 AM
fuck users
 
user2157210
so i have to make beta release to get more testers?
 
What else?
 
dd5
@Florian Margaine regarding the SO question - will resources be ok now?
 
user2157210
meh
 
user2157210
what is the android distribution?
 
10:22 AM
The Play store?
 
user2157210
there are arround 1000 users im targeting so i guess 20% of them got android right
 
@dd5 yeah it's nice now
 
user2157210
of those 20% maybe 10% will use the app
 
user2157210
its targeted
 
10:25 AM
Or less
 
user2157210
well guessing right now the current solution i provide to them is used by aprox 20 guys
 
Just because you have an Android phone doesn't mean you actually check the store or anything at all
 
user2157210
im not deploying in store
 
user2157210
dont want to get legaly linked with it
 
lol
So, what's this app about?
 
user2157210
10:27 AM
related to videostreaming
 
user2157210
its just making those dumbfuck android users able to watch the mkv streams on android
 
user2157210
nothing against android users in generall but against the one of the community im talking of
 
@Neil I'm back; I had an interview
 
@JanDvorak How'd it go?
 
Quite well; she checked my english. That was just a personalist.
 
10:43 AM
Is a metaphor like a simile?
 
is printing labels like a bauce
 
user2157210
should print a label with "bauce" on it and stick to forehead
 
I should.
 
user2157210
So do it
 
user2157210
10:52 AM
old
 
user2157210
i liked this more
 
@JanDvorak I've done quite a few of those interviews in my lifetime
 
@Nexxpresso lol
 
@Neil did they bear fruit?
 
10:56 AM
@JanDvorak Rather pointless if you ask me.. I've always moved on to the 2nd interview.. they must do such interviews to ensure you're not some homeless guy smelling of urine
It's the 2nd interview that the real interview is performed
 
Hello @FlorianMargaine
 
What if I'm not homeless yet smell of urine?
 
@OctavianDamiean Then you might make it to the 2nd interview
 
I hope I don't smell of urine
 
10:58 AM
I don't think they're that picky
I find myself having to explain the difference between javascript and java to the interviewer
The trickiest part about that is not to sound condescending
 
This one was tech-savvy
 
@JanDvorak Ah, a refreshing change then :)
 
I had one interviewer checking I could speak english, then having to check he understood me.
 
@dystroy hi
@dystroy how are you doing?
 
(my native language being czech)
 
11:02 AM
NK right now
 
BRB, relocating
 
@JanDvorak At least I have that going for me
 
@FlorianMargaine Fine. I just had the occasion to write some Go. I inherited a huge (1Go, 14500 files) web site made on windows in 1996-1998 and I had to fix all links (the case was all wrong). I wrote a go program, parsing all files, copying the whole site, rewriting all the HTML to fix the links. Easy to write and easy to run (38s). I love that :)
 
I don't have to worry about knowing english
Not that you have to worry about that for that matter
NK in about a month's time
 
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image not found
 
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11:06 AM
now its either the image not found or you wanted to do this
 
@Chris Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
user2157210
@OctavianDamiean i got a string foo if its empty is it null?
 
user2157210
or is it ""?
 
user2157210
or what is it
 
user2157210
ITS THERE
 
11:09 AM
> For all reference types (§4.3), the default value is null.
 
user2157210
yeah but checking for null does not work
 
Well, if you've initialized it to be empty then it's just empty.
 
user2157210
oh there is string.isemtpy()
 
@dystroy hehehe nice
 
@Nexxpresso wut!?
 
11:13 AM
I really like that Go has such a huge standard library
and a whole toolset provided out of the box
 
user2157210
@OctavianDamiean yeah
 
user2157210
i just use foo.isEmpty()
 
What I really like is that the library isn't huge in size, it's very complete but you can find your way very easily as it's so small.
 
@dystroy it's also why I don't like it very much: you have to know a lot of the API before starting to feel its power
oh?
I thought it was the opposite tbh
 
@Nexxpresso I was looking at the 1.5 reference page ... never mind.
 
11:15 AM
Well, look at any package, you can read the types and functions very fast : with some experience it feels natural. You almost know what there will be in the package before you look. It's the opposite of java in which you spend your time following strange inheritance and implementation links
 
user2157210
only have to wait 20 minutes
 
user2157210
until the emulator started
 
@dystroy nice
is there some package sharing platform, similar to npm?
 
@Nexxpresso Why do you even close it!?
 
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@OctavianDamiean because i can
 
11:16 AM
@FlorianMargaine you type go get package_name
 
oh right
I love that! :P
 
go get drunk
 
damn
ninja'd :(
 
go get laid
 
@Nexxpresso That's just stupid ...
 
11:17 AM
@phenomnomnominal in fact it will probably be go get github.com/canop/drunk
 
Just leave it open ffs ...
Do you like wasting time waiting on the emulator to start?
 
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yes
 
@dystroy that's because canop is a clever cat
 
@dystroy disappointed :(
 
@phenomnomnominal I miss the reference...
I'll make a github project, just for fun, with the instruction to import the dependency
 
user2157210
11:21 AM
@OctavianDamiean where can i see system.out.println things?
 
user2157210
its not in logcat
 
@dystroy if you're interested, I have a chrome webstore account, for your chrall extension
 
@Nexxpresso It's in logcat.
 
@FlorianMargaine thanks. In fact I have one (dystroy in fact : my name) but I wanted to use the specific name I have for the games (canop)
 
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11:25 AM
@OctavianDamiean yeah i see the problem in the debugger right now
 
user2157210
its not calling the function at all
 
---destroy---
 
vir is such a ridiculous substantive to decline ...
 
user2157210
ok apparently it doesnt work on 4.2.2
 
user2157210
but on 4.0.2.2?
 
user2157210
11:31 AM
eh 4.0.4
 
user2157210
now i have to start 4.2.2 emulator
 
user2157210
ridiculus
 
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emulator system ui has stopped
 
Hahahahaha MOOOO
 
11:42 AM
Can fat people go skinny dipping?
 
user2157210
i think i destroyed my whole app nothing is working anymore
 
user2157210
..
 
@AmaanCheval hahahaha.. I love the flamingo
LOOOL
 
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11:48 AM
Hello, can someone explain where is the difference between WebRTC and Web Audio API
 
WebRTC can handle video, IIUC
 
are these two different APIs or one is part of another?
cause as I am reading WebRTC tried to hook up Web Audio API
 
Hello guys, need jQuery help. anyone there ?
 
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@Neel don't ask to ask, just ask. If someone feels like helping he will
 
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11:52 AM
and i was just copying the no picture
 
user2157210
..
 
@dystroy you got that prepared or something ?
:p
 
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@jAndy are you really that
 
user2157210
..
 
@jAndy I copy-pasted from 4 lines above...
 
11:53 AM
lol
didn't realize, I totally ignore that bot message
 
!!/learn welcome @$0 Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.
 
@JanDvorak Command greet already exists
 
!!/greet jan
 
@JanDvorak Hello, jan!
 
...
 
11:54 AM
laaame greeting :-)
 
user2157210
use !!/welcome
 
user2157210
..
 
!!/welcome jan
 
@JanDvorak Command welcome does not exist.
 
!!/rtfm neel
 
11:54 AM
@dystroy Command rtfm does not exist.
 
How to bind click event repeatly on ajax data?
 
@JanDvorak Command welcome learned
 
@Neel why not use event delegation?
$(document).on("click",".interesting".function(){...})
!!/welcome jan
 
@JanDvorak 0
 
!!/forget welcome
 
11:56 AM
@JanDvorak Command welcome forgotten.
 
@JanDvorak thanks
 
if another parent is suitable, you can use it instead of document
as in, present on load and not in great numbers
 
@JanDvorak yes got it
 
What's the current status of naked combinators in jquery?
 
hi my 'touchstart' event is called on html file but it is not working in xhtml file
any solution?
 
11:59 AM
@R.j. hmm... don't use XHTML?
 
@JanDvorak my extracted files come in .xhtml format
 

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