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6:03 PM
@rlemon could you clarify what you're trying to do?
 
m59
@Shmiddty
        <select>
        <option></option>
        <option ng-repeat="elem in build.def" ng-change="build.add(elem)">{{elem}}</option>
	  </select>

      build.add = function(elem) {
        $scope.options.build.push(elem);
        //How do I set the option back to blank??
      };
 
I want to believe there is a way using :not :target and :first-child
@Shmiddty just pissing around. seeing if I can make a css only menu
with sub menus etc.
 
@rlemon Yeah, that's what I've been playing around with
 
eventually :target stuff and the href# will be replaced with js and classes. but for now it's an experiment
 
@rlemon Why aren't you nesting the lists?
 
6:08 PM
cannot hide the parent list without hiding its children
 
@rlemon You can replace it.
Oh no you can't ...
 
<ul hidden>
  <li>
   <ul> <!-- I will always be hidden -->
 
You can hide the <a>s though
 
CSS ONLY!!! ...
I'm also undecided whether to generate the HTML on the server or pass a JSON object with the nested menu structure
so idk.
building the menu on the client seems like a good idea...
but then again, looping on the server with ejs would be super easy to generate the html
 
huh, I though people would be kidding when they were saying that with Arch you get all the bleeding edge stuff.
I was wrong apparently.
 
6:12 PM
@RyanKinal hehe solution: meta redirect to jsfiddle.net/rlemon/Qx785/10/show/#top
;)
 
@rlemon lol
Cheater... using headers :-P
4 mins ago, by rlemon
CSS ONLY!!! ...
 
seriously though. I think this would be super cool if we could figure it out
pointless but super cool
 
lol, yep
 
if I raped the HTML I could do it with checkboxes / radios and labels but it wouldn't be pretty
 
1) Not actually rape
2) Yeah, you could do it that way
 
6:15 PM
bastardized?
 
Better :-)
 
user2157210
How can you explain to someone that PHP is rubbish?
 
make them use it
 
Intelligently?
At this point, I'm fairly certain that every language is terrible in some way or another.
 
cept js
js is beautiful
APIs all suck ass
 
6:16 PM
I <3 JS
But there is just some stupid crap
 
user2157210
But he is using it and tells me his php is superior to python :(
 
user2157210
he mad
 
php is never > python unless you don't know python
 
My streetview hyper lapse would consist of me doing circles around rlemons, or somekittens house :D
 
@XCritics fix my css dammit!
 
6:18 PM
@XCritics ... me too O.O
 
Alright hit me with a question gogogo
 
JS should have a function that returns when a particular function is called (yield(fn))
 
@XCritics add the JS window.location.hash = 'top'; to open the menu. How do I do this with pure css and still retain the menu functionality
 
and resumes the event loop in the mean time
 
6:19 PM
@rlemon PHP is better than Python when you consider the install base on free, cheap, and well-known hosting services.
It's better if you're looking to quickly set up and serve dynamic pages on a budge.
 
@RyanKinal supporting services !== better language. it's a better community for sure. but not a better language
 
m59
@Shmiddty I don't get it... this looks like the easiest thing in the world, but nothing works..
 
Id love to see a comparison of how much revenue a language has generated a company
 
@rlemon its simple really
 
@rlemon Just a different point of view on what constitutes "better" ;-)
 
6:20 PM
and if so I bet php would be high on that list
 
LAMP is just so easy to setup
 
@rlemon all you have to do, is ask somebody that knows what the hell they're talking about, not me :D
 
user2157210
i dontlike php
 
but PHP is not a good language. just an easily deploy-able language given the tools. If you took away the LAMP stacks and installers it is a fucking pain in the ass setting up PHP and apache
 
...
not really
Ive installed php with IIS even
 
6:21 PM
RLEMON HAS SPOKEEEEENNN
 
pretty straightforward tbh
 
I just had a bug that was an array.concat with no assignment
Does JSHint catch that?
 
@Loktar I cringe every time I have to look in php.ini
or httpd.conf
but I also hate setting up servers
 
like saying if you take the engine out of a car and take its tires away that it proves your point its crappy to drive :P
 
N0de 4 l1fe
 
6:23 PM
node is a pain in the ass to setup
way harder than apache/php
 
install node and away you go lol
 
granted its still not difficult
just not as easy
 
I found it pretty easy
 
php > asp.net
 
I just hit run on the installer
 
6:24 PM
regardless, I know PHP and I have read about python but past Hello World have not used it. From my reading it appears to be a much better layed out language (structure and semantics)
 
@Loktar not just lies, trollz
 
I hate asp.net with a passion
 
PHP is just a mess. A usable mess but a mess.
 
@Loktar Me. Too.
 
simple tasks are made too overly complex
 
6:25 PM
@Loktar That's ok, you're wrong plenty of times :) (<- sympathy smile)
 
Yeah I mean so many huge sites run on asp.net
 
user2157210
@Loktar why
 
many well known sites....
 
@Loktar like this one?
 
theres Stackoverflow.. and.. um?
 
6:26 PM
google it
 
shouldnt have to
 
Writing code on a language that isn't horrible (C#)
 
google's not asp.net
 
facebook isnt
 
6:26 PM
no google sites that run it
@Loktar facebook had to write a friggin compiler to get php to behave, that's a bad example
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Yeeeeaaaah... about that point... not everybody uses C#
 
m59
@Shmiddty I might get it now. I need the change on the select
 
^
 
If I have to write my own compiler, that turns the crappy language I use to a less crappy language, that's indicative of a problem
The problem with asp.net is that it expensive to use
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum its still an example of a very large site that runs better w/o asp.net
oh wait I have one!!
 
6:27 PM
@Loktar That's because asp.net is expensive...
 
Sharepoint, theres a winner!
 
lulz
 
Sharepoint sucks, but that's irrelevant
 
user2157210
but asp.net is wonderful
 
its written on .net
uses the lovely asp.net
evey web devs dream
 
6:28 PM
@Loktar that's like me giving wordpress as an example...
 
wordpress is a fine example
 
X is horrible and is written in Y does not imply Y is horrible
 
haters hate it, but its hugely popular
 
Because it's free
 
@AmaanCheval jsfiddle.net/rlemon/Qx785/10 ddooood CSS challenge. you know you want too
 
6:28 PM
so is blogger..
 
Again, the problem with asp.net is price
 
there are a shitload of free blogging platforms
 
It's not economical to use, hosting is expensive and development is expensive
 
which is another problem with the technology
 
It's not a worse platform, C# is an amazing language, PHP is a bad one, they're making a lot of progress but it's not even close
 
6:29 PM
I'd rather use C# than PHP. It sucks to setup and you have to pay, but at least it's not a broken language, and development & maintainablity is the most important
 
c# !== asp.net
c# is fine, asp.net is shit
 
@Loktar right, but asp.net is written in C# (or even F# if you'd like to) , I think you're mixing stuff
 
user2157210
C# is amazing to use to back up a website
 
or visual basic!
 
user2157210
while php
 
6:29 PM
Old asp looked like VB and sucked horribly, that's not the same thing...
 
classic asp is better than asp.net imo lol
 
Also, VB.NET is nothing like VB6 and is actually pretty decent (I don't know why anyone would use it though)
@Loktar that just shows you have 0 .net experience
 
cool story
 
I've used both .net and php for prolonged periods of time, it's not even close
 
do tell more
thats a fantastic opinion
just too bad most of the internet doesnt follow it
 
6:31 PM
Because of the price...
 
yeah.. thats it
 
user2157210
it is
 
How hard it is to get php hosting? It's seconds
 
why is windows so hugely popular then?
if price were the only factor everyone would use linux
 
user2157210
because windows is oem
 
6:31 PM
^
 
That's an interesting but unrelated question
 
user2157210
on every fucking pc
 
user2157210
they sell premade
 
Mainly marketting
 
costs are still passed down to the consumer regardless
 
user2157210
6:32 PM
but no one notices anymore
 
which they could be with any site
 
Microsoft is a huge company pushing windows, giving it to schools and universities for free. A lot of good software only works on windows
PHP runs serverside, what runs on the server is less of an issue because it doesn't run on a client's box
 
any major company can afford the licensing for asp.net with no problem. If it was factors above X the price would be worth it
 
@RyanKinal I am a CSS GOD!!!
ul,ul:target:not(:last-child) ~ ul {
    display: none;
}
ul:last-child,
ul:target {
    display: block;
}
 
the problem is its not any better than other technologies available
 
6:33 PM
just move the #top to the bottom of the HTML
 
@Loktar I'm not saying it's the best technology available, I hear good things about django, rails, and a lot of other stuff... I'm just saying it's better than php
 
Why doesn't that work with first-child?
 
At least in 90% of use cases
 
well the use cases are unfortunately stacked against asp.net
 
~ is only elements following the preceeding selector
 
6:34 PM
AH
 
@Loktar No, really they're not, you just don't know asp.net at all...
 
Well hell
 
.net sites have such a small sample size
 
.foo ~ .bar { .. all .bar following a .foo }
 
@Loktar try it
@Loktar What the heck are you talking about? What does that even mean?
 
6:34 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum thats the primary technology I use every day at work.
@BenjaminGruenbaum what I mean is there are MILLIONS of php sites, and thousands of asp.net ones
 
user2157210
just let loktar hate
 
@Loktar You're using webforms then, which sucks
 
yeah, I am :?
 
TODO: 1) Learn something
 
that is some shifty fucking CSS there man. @BenjaminGruenbaum doesn't it piss you off when I use CSS to do conditional logic?
 
6:35 PM
@Loktar X is popular -> X is a better technology is an extremely poor argument
 
forced to
 
@Loktar Oh, no argument there then, webforms were an horrible idea
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum nah, my argument is its easy to find more shit when X has a larger sampel size
 
now make it pretty and make a pen out of it
 
bah I keep getting throttled. But yeah I should have specified webforms.
 
6:36 PM
what would you call that type of menu? just a list menu?
it's not really a tree menu
 
@Loktar Oh, webforms suck, no argument there
 
we cant use MVC here. Due to restrictions put in place by the IT here :?
 
Well, logically it's a tree
 
user2157210
@rlemon i call it a fucking menu
 
@Loktar That's like me saying JavaScript sucks and developing for IE5... It's pretty meaningless
 
6:37 PM
Security through Obscurity is the best kind.
 
not really.. considering ASP.net webforms was asp.net for the longest time
 
user2157210
was
 
@Loktar X sucked before so X sucks now is also a bad argument
 
webforms, and asp.net still suck
and are still in use.. and still updated
 
<--- still on webforms
 
6:37 PM
No, not really
 
fuck man... VB is still used.
 
<--- still on VB
 
the .net ecosystem lets you do whatever you want assuming you're an adult, if you use it poorly that's your fault
 
Ah same with PHP.
Good argument was fun.
 
That said, PHP is way worse on that, it's optimized for SQL injection
 
6:38 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum LOL
 
Cool, try MVC, it's much better
 
use PDO.
 
I have never felt so much pity for anyone this much in my life.
 
I think you'll really like it
 
MVC is pretty solid
 
6:39 PM
@rlemon No, you're not working for me, or with me on anything, hack away XD
 
@RyanKinal that sucks man :?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum However, I'm fairly certain you either just called me a child, or ignorant.
 
@rlemon What?
 
Or both
 
LOL
 
6:40 PM
@RyanKinal What? When was I even talking to you XD?
 
user2157210
he is using webforms and vb
 
user2157210
ignorant child
 
@RyanKinal by choice :O?
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum Nope
 
6:40 PM
@RyanKinal change jobs
@RyanKinal FAST
 
if MS discontinued both, then it woul dbe a moot point
 
My job rocks... the technology does not
 
however, MS still supports them.
 
@AmaanCheval nvm, fixed it.
I will update with a pen
 
@Loktar Amazingly, a responsibly company supports legacy code... doesn't mean you should start new projects using it
 
6:41 PM
@rlemon Cool. Because I don't like CSS challenges :/
 
People who used webforms at any point should feel bad, I just used PHP back then
 
^ not supporting legacy.
 
Again, I wrote a lot of php, and you can still write good php code, but it's way worse for big applications
 
We're trying to change. But the devs here like VB, so we'll probably stick with it. The same might go with WebForms.
We're moving to a service-based architecture, though... so it might get better.
 
different strokes for different folks. The same is said about JS in terms of large projects.
 
6:43 PM
JS is amazing for large projects... that's nothing alike...
 
There are plenty of people who say differently
 
MS Web API is nice
 
lol you try to speak in constants it cracks me up
 
@RyanKinal Yet not a single one who knows JavaScript who does
 
"No you are wrong because I said so"
@BenjaminGruenbaum the same can be said for PHP
 
6:44 PM
The same can likely be said of any language.
 
^
 
Except maybe Golfscript?
 
@Loktar I know PHP, I think it's bad for big projects, ThiefMaster and copy both agree with me and know php
 
it comes down to preference really
@BenjaminGruenbaum Im sure I can find 3 people who dont?
 
Let's ask the PHP room...
 
6:45 PM
lol
 
@Gordon, @ircmaxell, @teresko ^
 
idk I like php.
 
user2157210
@Loktar dont enter hell
 
@Loktar I'm sure I can :) Arguing which language is better is moot anyway, but asp.net is better :)
 
but anything popular gets tons of hatred
 
6:45 PM
Oh, I've said it in the PHP room too :)
 
just like jQuery
thats just how things go :P
 
@teresko , @Loktar just said PHP is like jQuery
 
hah
yeah its useful and hugely popular :P
 
lol
 
6:46 PM
@Loktar Give asp.net mvc a try, I think you'll find it very nice
At least not horrible like webforms
 
I've actually been pretty impressed with MVC, in the little I've explored.
 
seeing as your in a jss chat room you may prefer asp.net web API :)
 
Razor is pretty sweet.
 
yeah idk, its all so heavy feeling to me
like the WHOLE dev process
 
@Loktar Me too
 
6:47 PM
Use node.js :)
 
you are tied to VS which sucks imo
 
VS pwns
 
user2157210
VS is an amazing IDE
 
38 secs ago, by Benjamin Gruenbaum
Use node.js :)
 
I would just prefer to not have to load it up every time
you guys must be primarily windows users?
 
6:48 PM
i laugh when i see mac users compiliing in shell etc.
 
I mean I am as well. But I rarely hear people fawn over MS products so much
 
There was a point a few weeks ago where I opened VS just to run the project, and wrote my JS in ST2 :-D
 
@Loktar I'm on Debian right now :)
 
next youll tell me MS Paint is better than photoshop :P
 
@Loktar its true :)
 
6:49 PM
@Loktar if you want a light development process, use node.js for RESTful APIs, it pwns
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum yeah I dont mind node either. I need to do more with it
 
user2157210
well for my needs paint > photoshop
 
node.js has never been light in my experience
 
I used it a few years ago to make a multiplayer shooter
then I used it recently for my ship gen site
 
user2157210
but for everything advanced
 
6:50 PM
so much effort just to serve a favicon
 
@Blowsie Use express.js
 
hah for now! I was going to suggest express too
 
npm install 500plugin
 
Shit...
Then don't use express!
 
Express is the jQuery of node.js mark my words.
soon everyone will hate express.
"ewww you use express VANILLA NODE! MLS PWN NOOB NOSCOP!"
 
6:51 PM
No, it's not
 
^ I can totally see that happening with time
 
That's the thing, you have to know javascript to use node.js to begin with
So no noob problems
 
i remember writing node.js 2 years ago when express didnt exist
andit was even stable on windows
 
@Blowsie yeah same here,
@BenjaminGruenbaum Im not arguing with you about express btw
I can just see people starting to hate it with time due to its popularity like all things go
 
You're not arguing with me about Windows or jQuery either, we generally agree about stuff, we even agree about webforms
 
6:54 PM
yeah
but we don't agree about PHP :P
 
That's ok, that's just because you use ancient asp and compare it to php
I used to love php too back then
 
haha
there are more factors that go into it
Id prefer a server running anything over IIS anyday
 
I think part of the reason I like PHP is that you can use it however the hell you want. There's no real development process attached to it. If you use particular libraries or tools, they may have processes attached to them, but that's your choice.
 
Just deploy to a cloud server like Azure, no need to take care of any deployment stuff ever
 
@RyanKinal yeah exactly, alot like JS actually
 
6:57 PM
@RyanKinal Which is why I like node.js
 
Right
 
ASP.NET comes with strings attached
 
user2157210
you can rage write php
 
user2157210
you cant rage write asp.net
 
anyone know why if i hide bootstrap backdrop, the modal is no longer hidden and there is no way i can hide it?
	$('#featherAddElement').modal({
		backdrop: false,
	});
 
6:58 PM
@AmaanCheval hehe still ugly (colours etc) but i'm playing around with it still. jsfiddle.net/rlemon/Qx785
that was my challenge. pure css tree(?) menu
 
I liked your first one more, where it just had nested lists
 
couldn't hide the parents
 
@RyanKinal I do? :D
I'M WRITING THE INTRODUCTION AS WE SPEAK
 
Woo!
 
I'm not really sure what to say though
all technical writing is done, just intro + overview left
 

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