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3:00 PM
then make jeeves mirror all the chat messages in Elastic Search
 
I think that was one of the original reasons I started looking into making a WS connection to chat
But I ended up with @Jeeves
 
@PeeHaa You are a girl?
 
@Jeeves Not sure
 
@PeeHaa How are you not sure?
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa list of?
 
3:03 PM
digest_alg configarg for openssl_csr_sign has no effect – #74335
multicurl infinite loop – #74334
 
@JayIsTooCommon swear words
 
!!lxr openssl_csr_sign
 
[ /ext/openssl/openssl.c#3326 ] PHP_FUNCTION(openssl_csr_sign)
 
Anonymous
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Anonymous
fucking mac
 
3:07 PM
ah yes thatta guy did it
How the hell did you find it again though?
 
Anonymous
 
tnx
 
@PeeHaa Spammer #1
But only Mom #2 :(
 
Somebody should compile new lists this year
Preferably something that can be reused the next year :P
 
hold up, when that was put together you had 86179 messages and now you're at 150k?
 
3:16 PM
uhhmmm huh
 
Anonymous
where did you get the 86k from?
 
Not sure if incorrect or I've been busy
 
s/busy/slacking *hard*/
oh fuck you markdown
 
I just bought one of those universal remotes, says "100% compatible" on the package ... guess what ...
 
Anonymous
poor mark
 
3:17 PM
@PeeHaa all those late nights talking to @Jeeves
 
@Patrick Just you.
 
@PeeHaa given that I only say relevant things and you got more than double the amount of messages, I'd argue at least half of your message are irrelevant nonsense
 
@Jimbo Ah I didn't actually realise ratchet was part of React PHP, that makes sense. Cheers!
 
@JoeWatkins it's 100% compatible?
 
anyone got a harmony hub/remote ?
 
3:17 PM
Another round of CVs to look at. Woop.
 
@PaulCrovella it is not ...
 
damn. one of these days...
 
@JoeWatkins it is 100% compatible with all supported devices!!
 
Anonymous
@Sean what are you hiring?
 
jeez, I cant type no more. I should just go home
 
3:19 PM
@JayIsTooCommon His replacement :P
 
PHP Dev
Front & back end, pref. back
 
I knew it
 
Anonymous
lol
 
:P
 
Anonymous
@Sean what salary?
 
3:20 PM
23-25k mark average iirc
 
Anonymous
aye
 
@Sean I knew Brexit would be bad, but this is pretty bad
 
Standard north east wage atm
Has been for years lol
 
Anonymous
same here
 
you guys are never on my side, you're supposed to hate it, with me ...
 
3:21 PM
@JoeWatkins is that one of those logitechs?
 
screw you thing joe hates!!1!
 
@PeeHaa that was the one I was going to buy, instead went for an "all for one" thing ... the best one they had one shelf ...
won't work amp, has bluetooth but can't work firetv either ... so ... useless
 
:P
 
@Sean that is ridiculous. you wouldn't even find a junior for that in Germany. At least none with some self respect left.
 
the harmony ones mention alexa, but not firetv
but apparently the hub can magically do the firetv and alexa
 
Anonymous
3:23 PM
@Gordon avg for a junior is 18-22 here
 
@Gordon brb moving to germany
 
@Sean Midlands is just as bad
 
@PaulCrovella appreciated
 
My own wage isn't much higher than that, I'm stuck between not knowing if that's the expected amount for my position or if I should be looking to move
 
what's your position ?
 
Anonymous
3:25 PM
@Gordon when are your company going to disclose the job descriptions btw ;)
 
@JoeWatkins I left it general so you can refer back to it as needed
 
@Sean We're currently hiring a back-end dev, if you fancy London
 
officially it's IT Dev Deputy Manager lol. In english I'm a step below team lead, but I handle dev ops and team management too
 
can't even find them on twitter to shout at ...
apparently have to wait a week for reply from support ...
@Sean get a new job
 
3:27 PM
@JayIsTooCommon we won't change the wording. it's like it is on purpose.
 
Anonymous
@Gordon you want to attract people with low standards?
 
@Sean We're also hiring devops, got Kubernetes experience?
 
Anonymous
or you're using Laravel and don't want to tell anyone..
 
@Sean move to switzerland and earn 1.5x that by cleaning rooms...
 
3:29 PM
"Kubernetes" sounds like it'd be something from Kerbal Space Program
 
Looked at mid career, felt sad
 
@JayIsTooCommon we want to attract people who can focus on product instead of tech stack X.
 
Anonymous
@Gordon that makes sense
 
@Leigh I don't, but that stuff does interest me. The closest thing I have to that is good ol' Jenkins and travis but I think that's a little different.
 
3:30 PM
uhm, very different. Kubernetes is a container orchestration platform :p
 
Yup, miles away
 
instana looks fun to me, if I wanted to move, I'd probably go there first ...
 
@JoeWatkins you dont need to move. we accept remote.
 
I mean move companies
 
ah
 
3:32 PM
@Gordon what's the taxes like in Germany though?
 
Sounds like.. Mesos?
 
and cost of living? Are wages artificially higher because of that?
 
Anonymous
I'm a bit bummed about this new place, I can't get with this whole hip chat and no talking to each other thing. Also, I'm yet to actually have a conversation with anyone.
 
@Leigh 19% vat for anything. 7% on food. income is around 40 to 60.
 
newbie here can someone guide me how I can go to a different page when I click a button in html
 
3:32 PM
Yea like Mesos @Sean (but also not like Mesos, same concept, executed differently)
 
??
 
@Gordon Up to 60% income tax? well there's why your salaries are higher...
 
you can pay that much income tax here
the bracket is very high, 250k or something ...
 
@JayIsTooCommon So.. the team doesn't speak?
 
mean I have looked up on different resources saying use javascript and stuff but aint working just need a simple redirect that when you click on submit button just move to a different page .......
 
3:34 PM
Afaik it caps at 45% for income over £150k
 
oh yeah, I'm wrong ... I'm sure it used to be
 
@JayIsTooCommon Nothing to do with hipchat
They are just trying to avoid talking to you specifically
 
Personal Allowance	Up to £11,000	0%
Basic rate	£11,001 to £43,000	20%
Higher rate	£43,001 to £150,000	40%
Additional rate	over £150,000	45%
 
@Smple_V Does it have to be a button? Is it a button in a form?
 
@Leigh oh wait. that's nonsense. I just checked it. It's 42% up to 250k, then it's 45%
 
3:35 PM
Could you use CSS to make an <a> appear button-esque?
 
that doesn't sound bad to me @Jay
 
yea @Sean
 
I like when people leave me alone, more time to get shit done ...
 
it has to be a button
 
Anonymous
@Sean barely. Haven't been made to feel very welcome tbh. There's only about 20 people here and I'm having to rely on LinkedIn to work out who is who as I haven't been introduced, spoken to.. Really odd.
 
3:35 PM
lol
 
weird lol
 
That is kinda weird
 
did they just tuck you into a cupboard under some stairs or smth?
 
Just get them some beers
:P
 
@Gordon hm, and 15% up to 52k, so you got a pretty good deal, not sure about that solidarity tax though :p
 
Anonymous
3:36 PM
@JoeWatkins meh yes and no. I like a balance..
 
Anonymous
@Sean nope, but at least I'd have myself to talk to if they did that
 
@JayIsTooCommon LOL I can picture this
 
perhaps just get your head down and do some amazing things, and people will start to talk to you directly
 
Anonymous
I want to refactor every fucking thing.. just don't know how to do it politely.
 
the grass is never greener ... except when it is ... but it usually isn't ...
you don't need to be polite about code
if something is wrong/broken/stupid, fix it
 
Anonymous
3:38 PM
maybe when i'm more cushty with them, i'll try
 
@Leigh assume you are 30, single, no kids, in a church and live in Berlin with 45k you'd be left with about 26k
 
they could all be thinking why isn't the new guy talking to us, or doing amazing things ...
don't forget that everyone is a geek ... with not much social skills ...
 
Anonymous
@JoeWatkins more like, isn't his hair nice, oo he's fit.
 
@Gordon Well that's not realistic, I would never be in a church
 
26k goes further in berlin then it would in usa
 
3:40 PM
when I win the lottery, I'm going to buy a church and start my own religion ...
 
Anonymous
@JoeWatkins aye.. making me consider a career change.
 
@Leigh then it would be about 500 bucks more.
 
@JayIsTooCommon over-reaction ...
 
Anonymous
I don't think so
 
Also, I'm 3x, single, no kids, and get >45k in London
 
3:42 PM
Any senior you can poke about it?
 
Ah you are one of those 3x developer ninjas
 
As PeeHaa said, get beer
 
is it that simple for you ? could you actually quit ?
I've never met a programmer that isn't addicted, you'd be the first ...
 
45k after tax or before?
 
3:43 PM
@PeeHaa Actually my team is kind of a money sink :P
 
:)
 
Anonymous
@JoeWatkins Not simple at all, i'd be fucked. I enjoy it to a point but passionate / addicted. No. I'll never be addicted to any job that involves me sitting inside all day looking at a screen. But unfortunately, I realised this after I coupled myself to this career :P
 
Anonymous
If anything, I'd wanna be in the armed forces. But dogs.
 
@Gordon I don't know how to fill in the tax allowance/category
 
Its never too late to change career
 
3:45 PM
@Leigh leave empty
 
How do I paste a snippet of code in the chat in the form of something readable? I wanted to ask a question with 5-6 lines of PHP code in it.
 
How competitive is the programming job market?
 
@AshwinBaskaran pastebin.com
 
@Leigh bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=74335 last comment - is that correct and/or do you have anything to add there?
 
@Gordon Ok, gimme a min, there's a team having a standup behind me, will fill in details and see if I'm "better off" there or here
 
3:46 PM
@Leigh here obviously. we are still in the EU :D
 
@DaveRandom Pretty sure you can make a SHA256 signed cert under a SHA-1 root
 
@Leigh what's at issue is whether a CSR can specify the desired digest algo
 
@DaveRandom I guess it's the digest used to sign the CSR, not the certificate itself.
 
@kelunik ah
 
Problem I'm facing is I'm learning very little where I work. We don't get approval on using new stuff. For example, we load balance to two servers, and have problems with replicating uploads from slave to master. I suggested using S3 or any other kind of cloud files and they said they'd rather just switch off one of the servers lol
 
3:49 PM
Every CSR is signed with the private key that should be used in the certificate.
 
Thanks Gordon. So, I am having trouble with this piece of code. I have been concatenating lot of elements into $photodisplay, but when I try to add a button and use Ajax, shows up an error. Feels like something is wrong with the syntax. Could anyone please point it out?
self::$photodisplay .= "<button type = "button">Click me</button><p></p>
<script type="text/javascript">
$(document).ready(function(){
$("button").click(function(){

$.ajax({
type: 'POST',
url: 'favorites_updateDB2-Ashwin.php',
success: function(data) {
 
Can anyone help me with Controllers<->Mutators in Laravel?
 
First answer
 
Even then I came to this company hoping to learn from more knowledgeable devs but it turns out they programmatically knew less than me. Which is a little ego boost but it's hard to not start stagnating
 
@AshwinBaskaran use pastebin
 
3:50 PM
Thanks for sorting the issue btw @Dave
 
@Sean You probably want to try working for a slightly larger team, for a slightly larger site
 
And what is the error?
 
Where smart people will weigh in on your side of sanity
 
Anonymous
@Sean had that in my last job. Big fish in a small pond great for the ego but shit career wise
 
@Sean @JayIsTooCommon just keep learning on the side/on the job and teach them
 
3:52 PM
this ^
 
What's your php.net handle @Leigh? Is it just leigh@?
 
@user7594714 Oh, thought I copied the code from pastebin. Not sure why it appears this way. Will look into it again. And no error as such - Just "The page isn't working. Currently not able to handle the request". If I comment out this block, everything is working fine again.
 
Anonymous
@JoeWatkins a lot of that was pessimistic because of the current situ btw.. i'm not always that negative
 
@Sean that's an opportunity to learn how to teach
 
If you have a decent senior that is able to teach you a lot, you are in a very lucky position. Not too many of those around from what I've seen
 
3:52 PM
I only have an echo "Test" statement in the php file.
 
@AshwinBaskaran you were supposed to paste your code into pastebin and paste the link to it in here.
 
ifinite: Fix for 74265 is incomplete – #74336
 
@Gordon Sorry, never used pastebin before. pastebin.com/PyX1qFm1
 
I will go home now. tty tmr.
 
Anonymous
3:54 PM
@Leigh SINGLE?! Where do I sign up??
 
@JayIsTooCommon looking at your screen all day ... this is a description I don't recognize ...
 
@PaulCrovella @Patrick Yeah, I want to get into doing local talks and stuff. The team here are nice (work and usergroup)
 
@Gordon Ok, comparing your German tax calc to a UK one (without tax breaks like pension) I take home £3k a year more here in the UK
Obviously I do pay into a pension, so it's not exact
 
@Leigh interesting
not the british interesting. but genuinely interesting.
hmm, what do the british say when they actually mean interesting?
 
3:57 PM
I probably pay more for accommodation though, £900/mo incl. bills for a room, no shared living area
 
oh and you need to add a data attribute to your ajax
 
@DaveRandom @Leigh Will just set it to "Not a bug" then, fine?
 
@kelunik will do in a sec
just writing another comment
 
> Props to leigh for finding this.
I mentioned that before @Leigh posted the link. :P
 
@user7594714 : Thanks a lot, that worked. :) Btw by adding data attribute, did you mean I had to echo something back?
 
4:01 PM
Nvm
 
Anonymous
@JoeWatkins mm
 
@kelunik sorry :-P
 
@Gordon It's notably interesting in one way or another, but not interesting enough for the person to care to look into it
 
@kelunik I do think this could be clearer in the docs but I'm not sure how to best approach it
 
It's interesting but not fascinating
 
4:05 PM
@Gordon We say "Interesting", all down to the inflection :)
 
it's interesting all the way down
 
@DaveRandom Mention only the parameters for the function you're looking at.
 
@kelunik I kind of think that the each function should have it's own configargs table listing the ones that are relevant for that function, e.g. private_key_bits and private_key_type are not relevant to openssl_csr_new()
 
Yes, exactly.
@DaveRandom And also not for _sign.
 
oh right I see what you mean, I totally did not get that was what you were saying
 
4:15 PM
Mutators not working with data from Controller

https://pastebin.com/gS6A7Kve
 
Yes, I could have phrased that better.
 
I guess the reason it's done like that is to keep it all in one place so there's only one place to update, maybe it needs a new page
Or it could be done with an XML entity but those can be a real pita to manage IMO, they are decidedly non-obvious to docs newbies
 
We can have a file for each option and include the ones needed.
 
hmm
Right now I have one redis hash per post comment section and in it I have the comment in json format.
Now how should I handle comment replies
How should I structure it
And should I restructure the way i handle comment in whole and stop having one hash per post comment section
Anyone?
 
5:07 PM
Why does PHP have different rule(s) for the names of attributes (and variables) created using variable variables? And can we get rid of this inconsistency, please?
Some days I do not like PHP as much as I usually do. https://github.com/sebastianbergmann/object-reflector/issues/1 https://t.co/Dwy2RbbrFB
 
@SebastianBergmann it's not just variables variables that'll do that, also (object)[1, 2, 3]
 
5:24 PM
The obvious ~~~answer is to stop using variable variables~~~ fix is to deprecate variable variables
where the hell is the strikethrough markdown... damnit... imagine it
 
you're so close
 
:D
 
@SebastianBergmann After reading the report I still don't understand what is going on, but clearly, if you cast to an array you will get usual array semantics where numeric keys become integers
Disclaimer: "Clearly" is only actually true as of PHP 7.2
 
Anonymous
Does anyone know of any, cheap hosting companies that provide unmanaged VPSes?
 
@samayo digital ocean
 
Anonymous
5:36 PM
@MadaraUchiha Cheaper than that :)
 
$5/mo is too expensive..?
 
Anonymous
I saw somewhere for $3 but can't remember.
 
It doesn't get much cheaper than that
 
Anonymous
I found one for $3.49 in OVH
 
@Leigh +1 for deprecating (and later removing) variable variables as well as dynamically creating undeclared attributes
 
Anonymous
5:40 PM
It is very strange to me, how cheapskate I get when buying a domain or hosting package. I pay $3.5 pretty much daily for a coffee I can't even bare to finish, but I am reluctant to pay for hosting at $5/month @MadaraUchiha Do you have the same issue :)
 
@samayo Nope.
I pay for a ton of shit. Mostly shit I need/want though
 
I had the realization just now that if I could integrate certain tools into vim that I'd probably not use an IDE.
1) Quality refactoring tools
2) Go to symbol definition
3) Interactive debugger
I think that's my list.
 
@LeviMorrison For PHP?
 
Yeah.
 
Maybe 2 is out there. Maybe.
 
5:44 PM
find usages is handy too
 
You can do ctags integration but PHP has different symbol tables so... yeah.
@PaulCrovella Yes, but that's a prereq for 1)
 
Anonymous
Isn't vim just like vi with syntax 1980-ish highlighting?
 
@LeviMorrison … well, that's the point of an IDE…
 
@samayo You can theme it however you want. But vim is much more than just vi.
 
5:45 PM
@bwoebi Most IDE's don't use vim shortcuts, and ones that do don't always keep parity with vim.
 
@LeviMorrison oh, the shortcuts… yeah, well. DOn't feel like I'd need these
 
Q: Is there any downside in using class_alias for permanent temporary solution? Thanks
 
Anonymous
Everytime vim gets mentioned, I get confused. Because I tried it, and didn't find much appeal into it. Maybe it's different for Mac, or other linux distros. I only tried it in CentOs6
 
Anonymous
@DejanMarjanovic "permanent temporary"?
 
@samayo As in, will be fixed ASAP, but not really
 
5:49 PM
ovh and digitalocean is amazingly cheap
 
I also remember hearing Vultr
 
@samayo I use nano myself but shh
 
Anonymous
@Machavity nano sucks :)
 
Anonymous
@Ekin Have you tried it? That's the cheapest I have seen so far.
 
@bwoebi To me they are what vim is.
 
5:57 PM
According to Wikipedia Programming Language Comparison PHP is not Standarized language also is not Generic Language and not Event Driven and has no other mentioned paradigms. While I undestand why it's not generic (because of generics lack) and not event driven, the question is why someone wrote that PHP is not being standarized? In case of Go or Java this is all about documentation which is well written on php.net
 
I don't think Go is standardized.
 
@samayo I myself haven't, but someone I know recently moved from DO to that one.
 
C and C++ are because they have formal standardization committees that issue language revisions.
 
Well according to Wikipedia it is
 
@brzuchal PHP tried to emulate JavaScript. Which took standards, collected them in a pile, and set fire to them
 
5:58 PM
I'd probably dispute it then.
But I don't believe Go is.
 
the closest we have to a standard is the langspec AFAIK
 
So it is all about formal specification in one place or what?
 
i guess so
 
PHP should be de facto status.
We do have a language spec.
Same as Go.
 
but in that case, we should be seen as standardized as ^
 
6:03 PM
Psh, and by our RFCs.
They count PEP's as good enough for de facto standard for Python.
So PHP is definitely a de facto standardized language by their rules by virtue of RFCs + our language specification.
But honestly being standardized doesn't necessarily mean anything.
Dart is standardized for example.
 
it just means it follows a standard :P edits wikipedia
 
Honestly C# seems like quite a good language that has historically been out of consideration for many people because of Windows lock-in.
Now that it is growing out of that phase I expect it may end up being viable for significantly more developers.
The language itself has been ported as have many of the runtimes/libraries but tooling support is still fairly weak. As they shore that up I expect more places to adopt it.
 
Morging v3 all o/
 
@LeviMorrison so there won't be nothing wrong if I change standarization for PHP mentioning langspec and RFC in cite notes right?
 
Shouldn't be.
 
6:19 PM
Ok, so there is another column marked as being Event Driven and question is does event loops by extensions counts here?
 
Probably not.
 
Talking about langspec we are thinking of this one right? github.com/php/php-langspec/tree/master/spec
Is it being published not through github repository? Some build in HTML or others?
Or is it a green field when someone could contribute to provide such builds?
Current status of Javascript development https://t.co/fPocLpwU2m
 
6:42 PM
@Trowski @bwoebi What's the name we had for Stream before?
Oh, happy birthday @bwoebi!
21
 
Anonymous
7:00 PM
Wtf! You kept that quiet! Happy birthday dude! @bwoebi
 
@Gordon "oh, really? Do go on."
 
Oh, happy birthday bwoebi!
 
Happy birthday @bwoebi! Must be so cool to finally be 10 \o/
6
 
Sweet 16!
@bwoebi, thank you for all the work, I would buy you a beer but 18+ :-)
 
7:16 PM
I'm aliiiive
 
Hi aliiiive. I'm PeeHaa, but you can just call me Peter
@Gordon Cor blimey. I am flabbergasted . Long live the queen
 
@bwoebi, my condolences
 
@DejanMarjanovic Good that you consider me < 18, because I don't like beers anyway :-P
@tereško accepted.
 
@bwoebi It's OK, we have @PeeHaa :-P
 
I am more than happy to take one for the team
or 2
or all of them
 
Wes
7:24 PM
happy birthday @bwoebi!!!
 
@kelunik Observable
 
Wes
sorry. wanted to spam gifs :B
just to annoy @PeeHaa :B
 
It's the kid's birthday
 
3 gifs moved to bin
sorry, but it was too much :-)
 
Boooooo gifpolice
But fine. It's your birthday
 
7:35 PM
:-P
 
:-)
 
Anonymous
@bwoebi so I presume you're getting absolutely mortal tonight, going out onto town - start a few fights? Go on the pull?
 
!!urban Go on the pull
 
whatchoo talkin bout willis
 
...
!!? "Go on the pull"
 
7:39 PM
Search for ""Go on the pull"" (https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Go+on+the+pull%22&lr=lang_en)
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I am not dissapoint
 
!!urban pulling
 
[ Pulling ] English word that means to hook up with someone or make out with them, often at a party or nightclub. Tongues are often involved. You can also be 'on the pull', which means to seek out or pursue someone with whom you want to get off with (often a complete stranger).
 
Anonymous
!!urban on the pull
 
ta
 
7:40 PM
[ on the pull ] To attempt to [hook up] with somebody, by talking and/or moving in an 'attractive' way in front of (several) people.
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa why I tried to do to you at NW
 
:P
 
@JoeWatkins Shit, I forgot to update phpdbg tests, I'm a bad
 
Yes. Yes you are
 
@Sean Did the slides make sense?
i think the video will explain it MUCH better
 
7:44 PM
@Jimbo Yeah, well I was there when you gave it :P
 
Hey @Jimboob
Can you link me the readme you were talkinh about earlier?
 
@Jimbo How's your websocket RPC going?
 
@Sara ping me if you fucked up next time :-D
 
@PeeHaa try to get a webnews poc
 
!!in 2 hours try to get a webnews poc
 
7:54 PM
Reminder 36383120 is set.
 
**whistles innocently, pushes a fix, and is thankful she's not an RM or something...
 
7.2 is pretty much a free for all anyway
happy birthday bob :)
 
Anonymous
Poc = ?
 
proof of concept
 

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