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4:11 PM
@PeeHaa For the record this is how I've started marshalling all the DI info into a single file, and then adding it to the injector with a simple function
The whole Tier stuff in there will be broken out to it's own project once I stop being so lazy...
 
Anonymous
@abe true but, I prefer projects that are applicable on real world situations, so I'll have a better chance of getting jobs.
 
Abe
are you saying that i'm wasting my time? xD
everything i'm doing is applicable to real world situations
 
@Danack tnx
 
Anonymous
@Abe Nope, I'm just saying for someone (newbie and aging and broke) and looking for a job as web developer, an api generator or data structure frameworks don't take precedence as say .. an mvc framework, orms, payment gateways ...
 
hi guys I know this a PHP chat but I just wanted an answer to a quick question :)

basically I've been working on a wordpress site at work. I now want to work on the same site at home.

I've set up the respository and everything so the files are in the right place and so I can commit/push.
I'm using a fresh xamp install... when i get to the database part do i create a new one or use the existing one?
 
4:20 PM
Create a new database
 
Anonymous
@JoeConsterdine Also you have a typo in your text; "wordpress"
 
With the content of a snapshot from the current database
 
it doesn't override anything does it? I know nothing about databases I'm purely front end
 
Abe
@samaYo well, that's your opinion :P
 
Anonymous
@Abe nope, it's a fact.:) But let me be part of the Api gen, I would love to see how it works and will contribute when & if I can.
 
Abe
4:25 PM
also, i wanted to create a php bugtracker. there is literally 0 decent options currently
 
Anonymous
what's wrong with php.net? Which framework do you have in mind?
 
Abe
what do you mean with php.net?
a php bugtracker for your own projects, not php's bugs :P
something like bugzilla (which is made with perl)
 
Anonymous
/ me wanders what is wrong with jira
 
Abe
it's not self hosted
 
@Abe They have a self hosted option.
Anything Enterprise these days has a self hosted option.
Even Github.
 
Abe
4:29 PM
is it php though?
 
Of course not. It's Java.
 
Abe
:P
 
Nobody gives a shit what language your software is written in as long it proves useful.
 
Anonymous
Does it really matter though what lang it is made of, as long as it did a great job?
 
Anonymous
same goes for gitlab ..
 
4:31 PM
You don't use software because it's written in your favorite language. You use it because it works for you.
Whatever "it works for you" may entail...
Besides, all languages suck. Everyone is wrong. The Internet is a lie. And Vint Cerf has trolled all of you.
:)
 
Anonymous
@PeeHaa pls add me to codecollab, I promise I won't comit anything without your approval first :)
 
That is what pull requests are for...
 
why google shows only 1000 results?
 
Abe
4:47 PM
speaking of elephpants, i'm still working on my logo :D this is what i have so far, it's a war elephpant :P
user image
5
not sure about the tusks/mouth part :\
 
Anonymous
I like it. but loose the phel
 
Abe
what do you mean
 
@Andrea happy new pic!
 
@Sajad of course female
 
@NeelIon aha tnx
 
4:57 PM
@Abe pheil
 
Abe
@tereško Php Elephant, pronounces as Phil
wow MD didn't fail
 
@tereško do you know why google shows only thousand results?
 
@NeelIon you have used up all of your googles
 
@NeelIon thousand is little ?
 
@Sajad oh ya i think so, when you have millions of results
 
5:01 PM
@NeelIon you need just 10 first result (in the first page). just 10 !
 
@tereško they have millions to show but why only thousand? what they want to do with rest
 
can you please explain, why did you decide to ask me that?
 
@tereško you have +30k rep !! and are online now !
 
@Sajad you r right
 
Abe
@tereško it's your fault for being online. lol
 
5:05 PM
@tereško and also anthony is not online now
 
hmm
 
@Abe its not his fault, he has option to ignore my question
 
so now I need to write a bio for my CFP
reads @ircmaxell's
 
how to create preinstalled databse connection
 
@Andrea please mentioned your sex in the your bio ;-) !
 
5:07 PM
oh, I'm female
 
@Andrea I know now :-)
@Andrea I think you are the first women in here ...!
 
there are one or two others
like Sara Golemon
 
Abe
and @PeeHaa
 
@Jimbo just done first three hours of training on a CBF600 ... was awesome ...
 
@Abe @PeeHaa is a women ?????
 
5:09 PM
is @PeeHaa really?!
 
Abe
no he isn't :P just kidding
 
(I wonder if Abe is trolling...)
aha
 
@abe peehaa is female?
 
Abe
@Sajad sexist
 
27 secs ago, by Abe
no he isn't :P just kidding
 
5:10 PM
@JoeWatkins Ah nice man, the CBF600 is a cracking naked bike
If you pass these tests, do you have full kablamy over licenses or is it restricted for a few years, can't remember?
 
full license, I think it's only restricted for under 25's
or if you do a restricted test
 
@Abe he's from Iran
 
@tereško so ? I feel you insult me !!!!
 
next for the boring bit, gotta train for module 1 ... riding around some cones ...
 
Abe
@tereško oh well that explains
 
5:13 PM
@PeeHaa Can you kick someone please.
 
@Abe heeey ...! sexist is related to Iran ?
 
@JoeWatkins Do you prefer the naked look then? I know they're about 70 bhp, but if you wanted something faired, so better protection, looks sportier and newer, you should really take a look at the new CBR 650Fs. About 80 break, one of the best bikes you can get for commuting and cheap to run
 
Abe
@Sajad we aren't insulting you
 
@Sajad chill man
 
I am very tempted to mention yolophp in my bio
 
5:14 PM
@Andrea Do it. If anyone has a problem with that, it's their loss!
 
@Jimbo I prefer full fairings, but he's only got naked bikes, he's got that one, then a suzi 800 and two bmw's, one 800 and one 1000
 
"Andrea Faulds is a contributor to PHP core. She has authored several RFCs, including PHP 7 Scalar Type Hints, and also helps maintain the yolophp web application framework. Andrea currently studies German and Language & Linguistics at the University of Aberdeen."
 
@Sajad it's not really aimed at you. It's the perception in "western countries", that muslim countries have serious issues with women rights. Though, I think for most of it you have to blame Saudi Arabia
 
much prefer CBR myself ...
 
@tereško in fairness to Sajad, the west isn't perfect either
Legally, people have equal rights here! Socially, things are still sexist, though they're much better than they once were.
 
5:16 PM
@Andrea tnx
 
@Andrea notice the word "perception"
 
he's got the biggest crash bungs you ever seen ... they are like half a foot long ...
 
@tereško yeah
 
It's Sunday evening and the "Why can't I just be a millionaire? :(" has kicked in.
 
Abe
@Fabor beer solves that
 
5:17 PM
@Andrea my bio was ... brief ... 2015.phpsouthcoast.co.uk/speakers/joe-watkins
 
ok, please tell me about the value of women in you society ...
In my country both men and women are identical !/
 
isn't it forbidden to talk about racism here
 
@JoeWatkins hahaha
 
@JoeWatkins Man, if you get a chance when you're done, test ride a 650F. I almost got one simply because they look awesome yet are great for commuting and a great first big bike so very forgiving. But awesome! When are you next out on the bikes?
 
@NeelIon It's certainly off topic and not a conversation that will be productive here.
 
5:18 PM
@JoeWatkins I'm also tempted to just use my people.php.net bio
 
Morning Guys
 
@Jimbo Tuesday evening
 
I have a couple of questions about SQL
 
@Andrea do it ...
 
@Sajad you mean per hour or as a permanent acquisition (sorry for making fun of your english)
 
5:20 PM
@JoeWatkins Awesome, let us know how it goes, we'll have to go on a bike ride :-)
 
:P
 
maybe I'll be half-serious:
> Andrea Faulds is a contributor to PHP core. She has authored several RFCs, including PHP 7 Scalar Type Hints, and was the fiend responsible for the removal of Logo GUIDs in PHP 5.5. Andrea currently studies German and Language & Linguistics at the University of Aberdeen.
 
Question 1) How can I name a table by selecting all columns ?
 
@Jimbo definitely :)
 
I'm getting this error:
#1248 - Every derived table must have its own alias
What does that mean ?
 
Abe
5:21 PM
@ZahidSaeed select * from (select * from x) AS thealias
 
@ZahidSaeed you need to give the table a name with AS, see Abe's response
 
@Andrea ... of Aberdeen and is a core part of the Yolophp team.
 
I knew that I have to give the table a name but I didn't know the right syntax
 
@Jimbo ehh, that's be too jokey :p
 
Thanks for the info
 
5:22 PM
@Sajad we know man, actually electronic media misguide people.
 
Who needs some kicking @Danack?
 
Abe
@PeeHaa it's all fine now :P
 
/me puts away his kick hammer
@samaYo Why? If you see something broken you can PR
@Abe I think it needs to stand on only his two legs
 
Abe
@PeeHaa that would be copyrighted by Disney, i believe
 
5:26 PM
lol
 
Abe
you mean like ferrari's logo? :D
 
guys, do we have a good article about object-level type hinting in php ?
 
@Abe Yeah
 
basically, about case where class, supoerclass or interface is hinted
 
Abe
that's a good idea, but vertical logos are hard to use
 
5:29 PM
@Abe That is also true
 
@tereško looking for one
 
@Andrea To me personally it reads like there are going to be two different topics. One about the drama and another one about the actual feature
 
@PeeHaa Yeah, that might be a problem
 
I couldn't find anything that wasn't crap
 
@tereško same
a lot are about the Scalar Type Hints drama, actually
@PeeHaa you'd get the story and the end result
I think this can work, I hope it can
 
Abe
5:31 PM
@tereško do you have good articles about that about other languages?
 
@Abe there aren't really many which have quite the same thing as PHP
@tereško maybe this is a call to write one
 
@Andrea I am actually thinking about it right this moment
 
@tereško do it!
Also, maybe I should change the title
 
Can I create a temporary column in table just for equaling the number of columns for UNION clause ?
 
@ZahidSaeed Just pass null as value
 
5:42 PM
@PeeHaa For example:
SELECT `col1` FROM sales
But col1 doesn't exist
So how can I do it ?
 
3 mins ago, by PeeHaa
@ZahidSaeed Just pass null as value
 
@PeeHaa How ?
 
SELECT foo, bar, null FROM foobar
 
Thanks @PeeHaa it worked :)
 
@PeeHaa (sorry for asking), are you male or female ?
 
5:50 PM
@Sajad What does it matter?
 
@PeeHaa just I like to know
 
Why?
 
@PeeHaa actually someone told that you are female
 
Well there you have your answer
 
LOL
 
5:51 PM
yeah, I think it was Abe trolling us
 
user image
5
 
@PeeHaa what ? you don't like to answer me ?
 
does PeeHaa need a gender? Clearly, as you can see in PeeHaa's profile picture, they are but a brush sweeping endlessly through the void
 
Taking us on an Odyssey
Also, should elephpants are the new in thing.
 
@Sajad I just don't see why it would matter in any way
 
5:54 PM
PeeHaa may not even have physical form
 
:)
 
Anyway… genders don't matter (except for the parts which are unique to a specific gender)… especially not in times like today where everyone does a holy war on genders [like trans people]. … I have no idea why we need different words for two people of different gender … "she" and "he" … why not just one word for both?
 
is PeeHaa a self-modifying PHP AI? you can't prove it not to be true!
 
@Andrea people of the world wants to know, peehaa is male or female
 
@bwoebi in English, you can sometimes use "they" as gender-neutral
 
5:54 PM
@PeeHaa It is important for me, because some days ago, you answered my question (about php), so, if you are male, noproblem, but if you are female, I will be sad (just kidding)
 
@NeelIon PeeHaa is an ElePHPant. ElePHPants lack gender
 
\o/
@NeelIon stop hassling people.
 
Hey @danack, is my CFP any good
 
@PeeHaa You must use your powers......for good.
 
@Andrea really? When I read they I always think of at least two people...
 
5:56 PM
@bwoebi they is usually plural, yes, but it can be used nonspecifically
Native English speakers sometimes use it like that without thinking, even though they were probably taught in school that it's "wrong"
 
@Andrea isn't that ending up a bit confusing?
hmm
 
@bwoebi eh, I suppose so
You can usually tell from context though
 
@Andrea You really think I am that retarded? :(
:P
 
@PeeHaa hah
I suppose being written in PHP would be a little insulting
 
Exactly :-)
 
6:00 PM
Well, if he'd been written in asm or C, he'd crash all the time… so, better PHP.
 
@bwoebi PHP apps crash too :p
usually die('Could not establish connection with database');
 
@Andrea That's a lie and you know it!
 
@Andrea I have no idea....I am terrible at both writing and judging CFPs. I can't see anything wrong with it, except maybe too many words in the abstract: gist.github.com/Danack/defcfc5849c069391bf0
 
@Andrea That's not a crash. That's a graceful exit.
 
6:02 PM
@Danack did you just add a newline?
 
Yeah because nothing says graceful like DIE
4
:P
 
@Andrea no? The first sentence is gone, as well as other small changes.
 
@PeeHaa Yeah, with PHP you only die after a life.
 
@Danack Ah, yeah
dropping it seems like a good idea
 
@Andrea may be thats why die() is still alive
 
Abe
6:04 PM
@PeeHaa
function stab(){
    die(); die(); die(); die(); die(); die(); die(); die(); die(); die(); die(); die(); die(); die(); die(); die(); die(); die();
}
 
@Abe I have a nice shutdown handler resurrecting me every time :-)
 
@Andrea tbh "It's a story of big egos, backroom dealings, and betrayed principles" could be entirely replaced with something less accusatory. e.g. "It tells the story of the PHP RFC process and how personalities get in the way of technical debates".
 
I need like 100 ideas for SQL injection for a simple form.
@ircmaxell
 
Abe
@bwoebi after sleep(3600 * 24 * 3); ?
 
If you have any resources here - much appreciated.
 
6:05 PM
s/get in the way/influence
 
@Abe meh… immediately!
 
Abe
:P
 
@Danack might be a good idea, yeah
 
Gives plausible deniability to the organisers if nothing else...
 
and I'm not going to do a tell-all or anything either
the story is probably going to be half the talk, yet it's 75% of the abstract
 
6:08 PM
 
@Andrea You could change the title to make it clear that it's about how to use them in 7, and then it doesn't matter so much what the abstract says.
 
hmm
 
Also 'hints' ?
 
eh, that name is stuck in my brain, and I think people use that name more often
 
"Scalar Types, what they can do for you in PHP 7"
 
6:12 PM
Scalar Type Hints: in history and in practice?
 
I'm trying to run this query:
SELECT * FROM ((SELECT `Sale_ID`, `Date`, `Customer_Name`, `Item_Name`, `City`, `Block`, `Plot`, `Amount` AS `Credit`, null AS `Debit` FROM `sales` ORDER BY `Date` ASC) UNION (SELECT `Sale_ID`, `Cheque_Date`, `Customer_Name`, null, null, null, null, null, `Amount` FROM `cheque_received` ORDER BY `Cheque_Date` ASC)) AS `sales` ORDER BY Date ASC
 
@Andrea We really need a wild @LeviMorrison to appear ;-D
 
But it is not arranging the Date column in Ascending order ?
 
@bwoebi hah
it'd be nice if he would be there so he could pop up and complain :p
 
i have wp related problem
can i get solution from where?
 
6:14 PM
@Danack What I really need is something like "in history and in practice", but that sounds better
"in history" isn't quite what I want
Scalar Type Hints: The Whence, Why and What
well
I could be direct
How does "The story of Scalar Type Hints, and how to use them"
 
@PeeHaa stolen from YouTube, like everything on Dumpert
 
That's simply not true
They also steal from liveleak :P
 
hah
 
Does Dumpert translate to anything?
Dumpert
 
6:25 PM
Yeah basically that. As in dump that shit here
 
lol
 
@Andrea Or just "The story of Scalar types in PHP 7"
 
@Andrea what about "Better late than never: scalar typing in PHP"
 
@tpunt that's pretty good!
I like that a lot
I think I'll use it
 
6:26 PM
^^
 
And Ert?
 
It's just a suffix
Doesn't mean anything
 
Well, that took a few more hours than I expected.
 
It's not even Dutch really. Neither do I know whether there is an actual word for it @Fabor
 
I never cease to underestimate how difficult technology can be :)
 
6:30 PM
If anybody will be able to tell what it is called it would be @Andrea, but I don't even know how to explain it :p
 
@PeeHaa maybe it's a "bound morpheme"? Is it a chunk of word that can't exist on its own, like -ing in English?
 
@Andrea Yes that kinda looks like it
 
zan
Dont you guys have family time ?
 
@PeeHaa does it exist in other words? Any examples?
 
Although in Dutch appending ert to words is not even proper Dutch.
 
6:32 PM
@PeeHaa do any words have it, though?
 
@Andrea Nope it doesn't
 
Ah
In that case, it sounds like it's just nonsense
 
Yeah it is :)
 
Hello
 
Think about startup names :p
 
6:33 PM
Yeah a Dutch buzzword generator would spit it out :)
 
@Danack is this more to your taste? It's not quite right, but: gist.github.com/TazeTSchnitzel/efb75b5675d991082962
 
I still don't like ", despite the politics" - it's just negative and abstracts are (imo) meant to be positive.
 
also that sentence is a bit too long anyway
 
And I still think cutting the last sentence would be good "Finally, you'll learn the process of adding them to existing projects, and how to prepare." , as it doesn't add much, and kind of isn't english currently.
 
yeah
 
6:39 PM
But the most important thing, "the end result: what" - that should be a semi-colon, I think.
 
No, a semicolon would be for something that can stand on its own, I think
neither part of that sentence works on its own
The semicolon or semi-colon (;) is a punctuation mark that separates major sentence elements. A semicolon can be used between two closely related independent clauses, provided they are not already joined by a coordinating conjunction. Semicolons can also be used in place of commas to separate items in a list, particularly when the elements of that list contain commas. The first printed semicolon was the work of the Italian printer Aldus Manutius the Elder in 1494. Manutius established the practice of using the semicolon to separate words of opposed meaning and to allow a rapid change in direction...
 
More importantly, you'll also learn about the end result; what are Scalar Type Hints, how they work in detail, and how you can use them to write safer, more robust PHP code.
/i like semi-colons.
 
"what are Scalar Type Hints, how they work in detail, and how you can use them in practice to write safer, more robust PHP code." isn't an independent clause
it's not even a sentence
 
/programmer not a linguist. Or moon shuttle conductor.
 
I think this is the best version there's been
 
6:45 PM
Anyone use mysql on os x?
 
@Jimbo I do, but very rarely. Why?
 
(and know where the port is set?) I have set port=3306 in multiple places like /usr/local/mysql/my.cnf and /etc/my.cnf under [mysqld] and [client] and it's still bloody running on 3307!
 
@Jimbo run mysqld and ask it where the config file is
 
@Andrea can only run mysqld as _mysql user from what I see, and I can't change to that user...
su _mysql doesn't do anything
 
@Jimbo Captain obvious: did you restart it?
 
6:47 PM
^
 
@PeeHaa Yep, and the machine too, multiple times, but appreciate the thought :-)
 
.
 
@NikiC hi!
 
@Andrea hi :)
 
Could you have a look over my draft CFP? I want to get more eyes on it before I submit it at the last minute :p
 
6:50 PM
@Jimbo :-)
 
@Andrea hint hint hint
What happened to the war on hint?
 
Just run ps -efa | grep "mysql' and I see that it has --port=3307 appended at the end of the command, the bastard. I need to find where the system is running that from
 
@NikiC maybe I can summon @LeviMorrison mid-talk
 
@Andrea s/is ST Hinting/are ST Hints, so the pronouns afterwards line up
 
@NikiC hah
the new feature still is Hints, but yes, I'll change that
 
6:58 PM
er, yes
or not sure if "er"
 
@Jimbo login and run SHOW VARIABLES where variable_name like "%dir%"; ?
 
@Andrea Why "is"?
 

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